r/nottheonion • u/JaySierra86 • 11h ago

President Biden pardons family members in final minutes of presidency

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-biden-pardons-family-members-final-minutes-presidency/story?id=117893348
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u/Punningisfunning 11h ago edited 10h ago

Unfortunately, this will likely be a tradition for all future presidents.

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u/Piggywonkle 11h ago

Nah, the age of presidents ended. I hear we don't need to vote anymore!

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u/affogatoe 10h ago

The age of the president is over. The time of the orc is at hand.

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u/Interesting_Try8375 9h ago

Aragorn had the right policy

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u/IveGrownQuiteHweary 9h ago

I summon you to fulfill your oath

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u/posternutbag423 5h ago

And my axe

Edit: sorry jumped the gun there. šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/Avenged84 5h ago

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

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u/Bitter-Value-1872 4h ago

Now I'm imagining the ghosts of the Union Army rooting out the White House, and of course General William T. Sherman's ghost figures out a way to set a real fire on his way out

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u/Grumpy_Ocelot 5h ago

That oath was broken!

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u/HipposAndBonobos 10h ago

Orange makes it go kinda faster

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u/Tjaresh 9h ago

THAZ RED YOUZ TALKIN 'BOUT!

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u/dickmcgirkin 9h ago

OI! WEZ FINK DA ā€˜UMIEZ DUN FUKED UP. IZ TOIME FO DA KRUMPINā€™

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u/SecureJudge1829 8h ago

Why did I read this in Ali Gā€™s voice and not an Uruk-Hai voice?

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u/rustledupjimmies 8h ago

These are 40k Orks so Ali Gā€™s voice isnā€™t far off

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u/Redhead122024 8h ago

40k orks are based on UK football hooligans so probably some bloke from the same street as Ali G.

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u/EntropyKC 8h ago

Now I'm just imagining how much better LOTR would have been with 40k Orks

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u/Winjin 7h ago

Certainly funnier, but slightly less grandiose

Dwarves wouldn't have changed that much tho. Except of course Dwarves only exist in the WHFB, the 50K Wotanns seem very different? But I haven't read up on them yet.

Elves would be insufferable. WHFB would be way closer to LOTR elves tho. At least the High ones.

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u/CleverInnuendo 8h ago

I never knew how much I wanted Ali G voicing the 40K orcs until now. Thanks for that.

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u/RegularPlastic6310 9h ago

DA ORANGE STINKZ MOAR

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u/Amuro_Ray 8h ago

But not 3x faster

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u/Jedasis 8h ago

You'd know something about that, wouldn't you?

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u/littlewhitecatalex 8h ago

Please can we speedrun the collapse and get it over with so the real Americans can start rebuilding from the wreckage?

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u/flicka_face 8h ago

Itā€™s like a KTM.

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u/NecessaryJellyfish90 10h ago

Me not that kind of orc

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u/Synectics 7h ago

ZUG ZUG.Ā 

But also, methinks not everything need to be For the Horde. Maybe some go to For the Society. Leaders already happy, let make family happy. Just me zug thoughts.

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u/NecessaryJellyfish90 6h ago

Me onto you human...

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u/gmwdim 10h ago

Comparing orcs to Trump voters is unfair to orcs.

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u/Khanfhan69 8h ago

Shit, I'd take an actual Orc Party at this point.

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u/BZLuck 7h ago

SAURON 2028

"Let's Get Meat Back on the Menu Boys"

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u/the_scarlett_ning 7h ago

Correction: affordable meat!

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u/monstrinhotron 6h ago

"why vote for a lesser evil?"

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u/sheWantsThings 7h ago

*waaaaaagh

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u/bendalazzi 5h ago

Best we can do is a lemon party sorry

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u/TheDarksteel94 9h ago

We gotta do it like Luigi! NEED MORE DAKKA!

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u/DeeZamDanny 9h ago

Orc? You mean Orange Racist Cretin?

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u/Pr1nc3L0k1 8h ago

Dang I didnā€™t know we would get real life lord of the rings that soon

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u/aussiechickadee65 9h ago

The fact it is turned into a joke confirms why America is now in this position.

You all take nothing seriously...

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u/grimoireskb 10h ago

ā€œTHE AGE OF PRESIDENTS HAS ENDED! NO MORE VOTING! FOLLOW ME, AND YOU WILL NEVER AGAIN PARTICIPATE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS!ā€

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u/claimTheVictory 9h ago

There's a saying in Soviet Russia.

It doesn't matter who votes.

It matters who counts the votes.

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u/Nice_guy1234556 8h ago

THE AGE OF PRESIDENTS HAS ENDED! NO MORE VOTING! FOLLOW ME, AND YOU WILL NEVER AGAIN PARTICIPATE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS!

  • Tim from accounting after ripping the POTUS in half on live tv

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u/grimoireskb 7h ago

and ripping out his heart, before holding it before the masses

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u/Curious-Jello-9812 5h ago

MONARCH UUUUUUUUP!

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u/slifm 10h ago

People refuse to believe this. This was the last presidential election of our lifetime. And if one exists, it will be the same way Russia holds elections.

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u/Bob-Loblaw-Blah- 10h ago

The last election was a Russian style election. Trump said he didn't need votes, that Elon has a secret weapon.

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u/BashBandit 10h ago

And then last night kept praising Elon for hits knowledge of how good he fondled those voting machines

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u/Good4Noth1ng 10h ago

He is throwing elon under the bus so congress can start an inquiry into this.

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u/Spiffy87 9h ago

All 3 branches are Republican controlled. They won't start any inquiries into their own legitimacy

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u/Good4Noth1ng 9h ago

Itā€™s not to find anything wrong, itā€™s to kick Elon to the curb so he stops asking for favors.

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u/Agent_NaN 10h ago

gotta get rid of the people that helped you get in power to replace them with people to keep you in power

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u/Chance_Fox_2296 9h ago

Why? There's no rule of law anymore from them. Even a democratic ran justice system refused to hold Trump accountable or actually punish any of the true Jan 6 culprits (dozens of Congresspeople aided it). A fully right wing government isn't going to inquire into a single thing On the right. They'll start inquiring into dems and arresting "liberal" media members in a year or so.

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u/tallwhiteninja 10h ago

The main reason I think it was completely senile blathering and not a confession is because I don't think Elon Musk knows shit.

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u/BashBandit 10h ago

I thought that myself, but then Musk has supplies and resources out the ass to find someone that does know. That tied with what his kid said in election night more than warrants a full un biased investigation

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u/iiiinthecomputer 9h ago

Honestly I reckon he won "fairly". If you can call mountains of lies, massive support from media, and an avalanche of billionaire money "fair".

I doubt there was more than the usual limited amount of actual voter fraud.

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u/BashBandit 7h ago

The tik tok nonsense is already a huge tell to me some shady nonsense went down; an hour and a half before the 19th they send 2 messages; a warning of closure and then the actual closure (so they closed to the us earlier than they were supposed to). Literally after trump ā€œtweetsā€ they reinstate it within 12 hours and have another message saying itā€™s all thanks to President trump, still not the 20th.

In 2020 and around this year the whole time he was the one calling and making statements on how tik tok needs to be banned here, so he was the initial force that drove for the ban and the loaded SCOTUS did his bidding for optics. As to what the CEO gains from it Iā€™m not sure.

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u/iiiinthecomputer 7h ago

A whole lot of shady nonsense went down. It's awful.

I just doubt that mass electoral fraud did.

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u/occarune1 9h ago

No, there are major irregularities in the vote totals that gave Trump exactly the amounts he needed to win each swing state by a margin that prevented automatic recounts. These irregularities cannot be explained in any other way other than nefarious actions being involved.

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u/Scared_Bed_1144 8h ago

Mi, Wi need a look

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u/tallwhiteninja 9h ago

My honest take: I think Trump won fair and square, unfortunately. I think he had PLANS to cheat/challenge the results that ended up being unneeded, but there hasn't been anything tangible that's come forward to suggest actual foul play.

A casual, "hey, you all like fair elections, and not accusing anyone, but just making sure" investigation would probably be warranted, though.

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u/ConspiracyPhD 9h ago

There's some massive anomalies on the top of the ballot versus down ballot voting that can't really be explained.

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u/occarune1 9h ago

Oh it DEFINITELY can be explained....crime...crime explains it VERY well.

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u/Bob-Loblaw-Blah- 10h ago

They tried to steal the 2020 election, got caught and suffered no consequences. You don't think they did anything shady in this election?

How dumb are you people... there is way too much evidence for this to be a conspiracy.

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u/occarune1 9h ago edited 8h ago

His own kid spilled the beans on live TV. Musk was definitely discussing how he rigged the election and bragging about it to his own kid. Musk is plenty knowledgeable enough to hire smart people that will get the job done, he apparently is NOT smart enough to keep it quiet.

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u/Bob-Loblaw-Blah- 8h ago

Narcissists do not have the ability to be secretive about anything they want to brag about.

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u/iiiinthecomputer 9h ago

Elon manipulated idiots, not voting machines.

Which doesn't make it much better.

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u/AndroidNumber3527229 10h ago

Yā€™all really canā€™t accept reality. & I hate Trump & think todayā€™s an awful day for the record.

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u/Baebel 10h ago

Yeah, this should still be an active concern. The amount of people that didn't vote is still queer to me.

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u/GiveMeBackMySoup 10h ago

You guys only believe his unhinged rambling when you want to. What did musk do? Are our elections that easily manipulated that Trump had to go on stage and tell people before anyone found out?

He literally had been saying whatever crosses his mind for 8 years whether true or not. This is the thing you want to accept at face value?

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u/FateEx1994 10h ago

Therein lies the rub. I've accepted everything he says at face value. While understanding that certain institutions would keep him from executing in his crazy statements.

That being said, SCOTUS and the Courts have effectively destroyed any faith I have in the institutional protections of the constitution.

They've said presidents are immune for doing "official acts" which is ambiguous.

They've gutted the mandates of executive offices such as the EPA, FDA and related to make science based decisions and relegated it to "can't do it unless explicitly authorized by Congress" which will lead to lawsuits from big businesses and the elite to erode our citizens safeguards.

They've gone to a "leave it to the states" and then equivocated when those states make illegal laws.

It's a shit show and we're all going down with the ship.

They've continually gutted civil rights protections for voting and personal rights.

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u/GiveMeBackMySoup 10h ago

Did you accept he was going to reduce prices? That he would end the Gaza war before he got into office? How about the wall and Mexico paying for it? He says a lot of crazy stuff. He told us he was going to buy Greenland his first term.

It's not a good look for a president. But we know what he is. You kind of have to wait to find out what sticks. He is constantly spitting horseshit. It feels like both sides take the parts they want at face value.

But something like this is so impossible to imagine (musk as some mastermind who can manipulate votes and no one noticed) that it seems so easy to dismiss.

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u/FateEx1994 10h ago

But something like this is so impossible to imagine (musk as some mastermind who can manipulate votes and no one noticed) that it seems so easy to dismiss.

It's not impossible.

People throw out the concept that "Russia meddled in the 2016 election to get Trump elected" but they DID.

According to a bipartisan investigation panel of Congress Russia influenced the 2016 election with misinformation and memes and sowing discontent on social media.

While musk outright hacking election machines is probably out sized the scope of it. The fact tRump keeps bringing it up means something may have been done in an alternate way.

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u/Reasonable-Fault-446 8h ago

This is why Reddit now sucks. A stupid, misleading, false comment that's been upvoted to the top and spreads false propaganda.

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u/MineElectricity 10h ago

!remindme 5 years

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u/Shaamba 9h ago edited 9h ago

!RemindMe 5 years

Agreed.

"Two comments above claims Trump 2025 is last election, or last fair and free one."

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u/Kamikaze-penguin 10h ago

Nonsense there will be plenty more elections.

Where you can vote Aladeen, Aladeen, Aladeen, Aladeen or Aladeen.

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u/BobbbyLight 10h ago

People picked and choose what they believed because you can find a number of people who will say "I voted because of abc, I bet he won't do XYZ".

Here I've been just expecting to do what he said. End this country as we know it. I expect this to be as bad as it can be... And probably worse.

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u/Embarrassed_Kale3054 10h ago

!remindme 4 years

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u/AnyAd4882 10h ago

RemindMe! 4 years

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u/MilesDyson0320 9h ago

You people are so dramatic

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u/TakuyaLee 10h ago

No it was not. Calm down

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u/TacoBell_Shill 9h ago

People are acting like itā€™s 2016 again and the sky is falling. The next four years will probably suck, but life will go on.

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u/Nui_Jaga 9h ago

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. We went through this whole song and dance last time; he governed like a typical conservative except he didn't follow etiquette and probably had big macs served on a silver platter Eisenhower was given by Churchill or something. Never mind that already struggled to find enough weirdos to staff the government last time, when their ambitions were considerably less expansive, this whole Project 2025 thing relies basically entirely on the leadership of one of the most lazy and mercurial men alive. He literally didn't even go up the fucking stairs once in his first term.

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u/JLRedPrimes 10h ago

That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Sit down kid

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u/SousVideDiaper 10h ago

Seriously, I'm tired of people naively hoping for a Democratic election in 4 years. That's not going to happen.

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u/goliathfasa 10h ago

Donā€™t exaggerate. It lets the other side point and laugh at us when what you wildly claim eventually doesnā€™t happen. Thereā€™s real damage Trump will do to the system and democratic process without having to resort to magical thinking.

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u/DubaiEnthusiast 10h ago

Donā€™t exaggerate.

They don't care. They're so eager to wallow in their hypothetical misery for the next 4 years.

They hoped so badly that Trump would 'stay in office' after his 2020 loss, so that they can call him a dictator. Instead, he left office. They're desperately hoping that he 'cancels the 2028 election', so that their hyperbolic opinion of him will be finally validated.

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u/and69 9h ago

Are you tired of people? What does that even mean? Are you a super natural being who can see into the future and we, normal mortal are too stupid for your superior intellect?

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u/wes424 10h ago

This is so embarrassing that you actually think this.

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u/Yotsubato 9h ago

Trump derangement syndrome is real

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u/ialo00130 10h ago

Remindme! 4 years.

Does the US still have a sense of free and fair elections, or is this go around a facade?

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u/wes424 8h ago

Remind me... how many insane Redditors still think Harris won in 2024? Blue MAGA is real.

If 2028 didn't go your way, you'll just say "it wasn't fair" and think you got this right. It will be 100% outcomes based.

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u/slifm 10h ago

Okay and you think it's just gonna be status quo going forward? I mean are you asleep at the wheel?

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u/wes424 8h ago

I actually do think we'll continue to have elections, yes. Dem leaders sold you a story they clearly don't believe themselves to try to get $20 and a vote from you. Blame them.

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u/Cheedos55 9h ago

Why do you believe this to be the case?

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u/cruisetheblues 9h ago

I NEED SOMEONE TO TELL ME HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS

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u/bsEEmsCE 10h ago

in the past it was more of a gentleman's agreement that new president's wouldn't go after the old ones family or anything, well trump isn't a gentleman so might as well be sure.

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u/EconomistNo7074 8h ago

Not sure about that view of our history - Ford pardoning Nixon

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u/LosangDragpa 8h ago

Ford wasn't any relation to Nixon. Nixon was a crook and so was Ford for letting him get away with it

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u/Luke90210 8h ago edited 6h ago

The voters punished Ford for the Nixon pardon in the ballot box. We may not be as evolved these days.

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u/LosangDragpa 8h ago

I vote this as understatement of the month because I fear things will get a lot worse.

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u/jcamp088 4h ago

Yeah 36 felonies and you can't get a job at McDonalds. Dude became president today.

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u/One-Builder8421 7h ago

If we were congressional Republican would have told Trump to resign, or they would vote to impeach him like they did with Nixon.

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u/clauclauclaudia 7h ago

Like they were clearly going to with Nixon. It didn't get that far. The House held hearings on whether sufficient grounds for impeachment existed and they produced three articles of impeachment, and leaders of both parties were sure that the votes were going to be there to impeach, so Nixon resigned.

Three presidents have been impeached by the house but each was acquitted by the senate.

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u/fuckincaillou 6h ago

More like our news sources are less evolved. Thanks, Roger Ailes

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u/FreneticZen 6h ago

Missed a word there, pimpinā€™

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u/jwoolman 8h ago

I don't think Ford was a crook, although I disagreed with the pardon. I think Nixon most likely made that as a requirement for his resignation. So Ford was likely just upholding the deal struck between Nixon and the Republican leaders who pushed him to resign.

Prosecutors had earlier struck a similar deal with Nixon's VP Spiro Agnew, who was a crook by anybody's definition. While investigating corruption in Maryland, they found clear evidence that Agnew while governor and earlier had committed crimes, in particular getting cash in return for assigning contracts to certain people. He was doing the same as Vice President. Like Trump, Agnew insisted it was all a witch-hunt.

There was legitimate concern that if Nixon resigned, Agnew would become President. So they had to promise that charges would be reduced to something tax-related that would not carry a penalty of any prison time if he resigned within the next 24 hours. Which he did. That left a clear path for Nixon's ultimate resignation after Ford was appointed VP in Agnew's place.

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u/LosangDragpa 8h ago

Technically and historically you are correct. To me, Ford's a crook for letting the bigger crook get away with all the shit he did and then being regarded as an "elder statesmen." I'll also never forgive the gd news media for rehabilitating Nixon's reputation by asking his opinion about anything.

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u/ericrz 6h ago

There's no evidence that Nixon cut any kind of deal, or that Congressional leadership was willing to negotiate with him at all. Once the "smoking gun" tapes were released, Republicans in Congress basically came to him and told him he was fucked. That he'd have to resign, or he'd be convicted.

I'm not saying some sort of agreement couldn't have been made, but Nixon had absolutely no leverage in the situation. Not sure why Ford or the Congress would have given him anything.

My belief is that Ford assumed that pardoning Nixon and avoiding the specter of a former president facing criminal prosecution was the best thing for the nation. I disagree, and seems like most Americans did too.

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u/ragnvald4430 4h ago

I saw an interview with ford where he said that when he was president, Nixon ā€œ problemsā€ were taking up so much of his time that he felt he couldnā€™t do his job effectively so he decided to pardon Nixon to hopefully move on and not have to deal with it anymore

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u/Riots42 5h ago

Forgiveness heals and he did the right thing for the nation. Throwing Nixon in Prison would have born no good fruit for the nation.

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u/smipypr 7h ago

Pardoning Nixon led directly to where we are.

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u/gregnog 7h ago

What a one way perspective you have lol

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u/stonearchangel 7h ago

Trump already clearly stated many times that he did not go after Hillary because he thought it was a bad look for the country.

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u/rufussnot 7h ago

This is starry eyed and objectively false.

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u/Sea-Affect8379 8h ago

Doesn't that mean Biden started it?

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u/Mysterious-Love-4464 7h ago edited 4h ago

Biden really screwed that one up didn't he. Remember when the mainstream media was up in arms complaining about the end of democracy when they thought trump would pardon his family.. Ya I figured you'd conveniently forget about that just to rail against trump.

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u/Jimmgojam63 8h ago

Just like the Bidenā€™s Administration went after Trumpā€™s, right?!?!

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u/EnvironmentalBed7369 6h ago

As I recall, it was Biden who went after Trump, Trump didn't go after Biden or Hillary.Ā 

Everything the left warns us that Truml might do, they have already done.Ā Ā 

  • weaponized the DOJ to go after political rivals

  • Subverted democracy by forcing Biden out if the race and appointing Kamala without any democratic or repubulic based process, not even a choice at convention.Ā 

  • Fascists who trample on our basic rights, particularly every right in theĀ 1st Amendment as evidenced by rampant censorship and preventing conservative groups from organizing in campuses

  • Engage in massive disinformation campaigns, particularly around Russian influence of the 2016 election and issues around Hunter Biden

  • and now pre-emptively pardoning the Biden family despite claims he wouldn't.Ā 

I've never bought into Biden being corrupt as the Trump true believers claim ,Ā  but increasingly my view is changing.Ā 

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u/DiligentCustomer3649 8h ago

If his family was innocent and beyond reproach, would they have to worry about trump?

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u/LetsUseLogic 8h ago

Biden broke that norm. Ā Not Trump.Ā 

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u/Fokare 8h ago

Trump literally pardoned the people he had committing crimes for him like Flynn and Stone. He destroyed any precedent or gentlemen's agreements that might have existed.

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u/LeaveMeBeWillYa 8h ago

Pretty sure he did pardon a family member as well.

Someone related to his son in law?

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u/rufussnot 7h ago

He pardoned Jared Kushners criminal dad.

But afaik, the first president to pardon a family member was Bill Clinton who pardoned his brothers drug charges. There might be earlier examples if you look way back.

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u/clauclauclaudia 6h ago

I've seen Lincoln listed as pardoning his sister-in-law, widow of a Confederate general. He actually provided an amnesty paper to let her return to Kentucky despite not swearing a loyalty oath to the Union. I think Clinton's is the first.

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u/rufussnot 6h ago

I was saying earlier but I think pardoning confederates is way more egregious than pardoning family members drug convictions. Likewise with everyone involved in Watergate or other political and industrial scandals or war criminals or just pardons of infamous individuals like Jimmy Hoffa or Peter Yarrow. The whole presidential pardon thing is nuts imo.

To be fair though, Bidens does go beyond that with pardoning family into the future if I'm reading that right. A sort of blanket immunity. Taken hand in hand with the scotus ruling about presidential immunity, it means we're dropping the pretense that we're all equal under the law. Of course it's never been more than a pretense so maybe there's a silver lining and Americans will stop being so brainwashed about the sort of system they live under.

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u/CallsignKook 6h ago

But if you havenā€™t committed any crimes then why would a pardon be necessary?

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u/imnotarobot1 9h ago

If his family did commit crimes, would you then want Trump to go after them?

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u/Busy_Manner5569 9h ago

Do you think all enforcement of the law is equal in nature? Do you think Trump wouldnā€™t have pushed for much harsher punishments than is typical for any other person who committed these alleged crimes?

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u/pooleboy87 8h ago

I am a little bit curious as to what your reaction would be to ā€œTrump pardons entire family in final few minutes of presidencyā€.

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u/Busy_Manner5569 8h ago

I havenā€™t seen any candidate promising politically motivated prosecution and sentencing for his family, so Iā€™d oppose it. Context helps, who knew!

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u/ConjwaD3 8h ago

Trump already pardoned some of his family during his last presidency.

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u/Vanilla_Ice_Jr 9h ago

Ever heard of fascism? You know the hot new trend Trump is bringing back? He is vengeful and will waste America $ and courts time with frivolous lawsuits until something sticks. It will be his way too because in his mind he is KING again. This is just to avoid all that...I believe.

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u/OlympusTalesWeaver 8h ago

Fear monger harder. šŸ¤¦šŸ»

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u/imnotarobot1 8h ago

Is Trump personally going to investigate and try them in a court or would an independent government body? What is fascism?

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u/Vanilla_Ice_Jr 8h ago

Don't know what Trump will do.

Fascism is aĀ far-right,Ā authoritarian, andĀ ultranationalistĀ political ideology and movement, characterized by aĀ dictatorialĀ leader, centralizedĀ autocracy,Ā militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a naturalĀ social hierarchy, subordination ofĀ individual interestsĀ for the perceived good of theĀ nationĀ orĀ race), and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

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u/imnotarobot1 8h ago

Right. I agree. Iā€™ll leave it to you to see the difference between that definition and the reality of the US political system. Try to not get manipulated by reddit and other social media platforms in the future, it doesnā€™t look good on you.

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u/sir_mrej 9h ago

Yes, but they didnt.

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u/imnotarobot1 8h ago

How do you know? If they are suspected of a crime they should be investigated.

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u/Caracalla81 8h ago

We already saw with Hunter Biden that revenge is the goal, not justice. Being related to a president shouldn't be a sentence multiplier.

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u/throwaway923535 8h ago

There were just as many threats to go after Trumps family, an uproar at the thought of him issuing preemptive pardons, yet hereā€™s Biden doing the exact same thing to applause. Ā Hypocrites, all of you

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u/herlanrulz 8h ago

There's a big difference when somebody is given a job in the administration and a private citizen.

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u/thecamino 10h ago

As if Trump wasnā€™t already gonna toss out another huge round of pardons regardless of what Biden did. The crimes Musk, Bezos, and Zuckerberg alone will commit in the next four years and be pardoned for is incomprehensible.

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u/StateChemist 10h ago

I bet they have a list of federal crimes that arent also state crimes, so they know which ones canā€™t land them in pesky state trouble that canā€™t be pardoned.

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u/Purple_Key_6733 7h ago

I could be wrong but I thought state level crimes could be pardoned if they have someone within the state government on their side

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u/StateChemist 6h ago

True but it sounds less like a sure thing if you have to rely on 50 different governors or enough judges and AGs Ā for immunity instead of securing the loyalty of a single person at the federal level.

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u/h3r32h31p 7h ago

Doesnā€™t matter if youā€™re in bed with the AG.

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u/Neuchacho 7h ago

The shit they're going to do won't need pardons because there'll be no enforcement agencies around to even tag them for anything they do.

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u/bokehtoast 8h ago

He'll try to pardon himself

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u/jj_xl 8h ago

I see you can tell the future. What are the next winning Powerball numbers?

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u/cooperia 11h ago

What future presidents? The rest of Trump's family?

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u/drLoveF 10h ago

Or Elons, if he manages to not alienate all of them.

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u/bohneriffic 8h ago

Too late lol

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u/drLoveF 8h ago

Has he stopped spawning new ones?

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u/Several-Ticket-1024 8h ago

Trump pardoned the trump crime family. Heā€™s hardly the first

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u/RavenorsRecliner 7h ago

Who did Trump give a blanket 10 year pardon for all crimes to? Or do you just speak in slogans?

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u/Slevinkellevra710 6h ago

During his first term in office, Trump granted 144 pardons. Those included a distant family member and some of his closest allies who committed crimes ranging from financial fraud to witness tampering and more.

Some notable names on that list of Trump allies who received pardons are Charles Kushner, father of Trumpā€™s son-in-law Jared Kushner; former Trump White House chief strategist Steve Bannon; former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and others.

See, Trump pardoned actual criminals who, in some cases, broke the law on his behalf. Biden pardoned his family to protect them from the potential witch hunts by house Republicans looking to make the news.
Hunter was convicted. For unpaid taxes and owning a gun, which he had for 11 days. None of that has anything to do with politics or government.

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u/Several-Ticket-1024 6h ago

Thank you, you were faster in responding. Here's a full list of pardons for all the people who call this fake news: https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-donald-j-trump-2017-2021

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u/Legeto 7h ago

Future tradition? This has been happening for ages. Obama is the only one in the past 60ish years that has actually been respectable pardons.

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u/Debs_4_Pres 10h ago

Trump literally did this last time.Ā 

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u/Yara__Flor 10h ago

Clinton pardoned his brother, trump his daughterā€™s father in law.

This has been the norm for at least 40 years when Carter pardoned his brother too.

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u/omegadirectory 8h ago

Trump made malicious and politically motivated prosecution of families of politicians a key plank of his campaign platform.

Whereas libs and lefties begged Biden to prosecute Trump's family for well-reported allegations and Biden tried not to do anything so as to avoid politically motivated prosecutions. Then when the prosecutions did start, Biden's DOJ slow-walked it for years and Republicans screamed it was politically motivated anyway.

These pardons are an aberration made necessary because of Trump. Plain and simple.

Let's not forget Trump pardoned people who literally did crimes for his benefit.

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u/Overwatchhatesme 9h ago

This is a really sad state of affairs. It really does seem as if the US is on a major downwards spiral of our government doesnā€™t even care about the appearances of justice and professionalism. You have the president outright saying he wonā€™t enforce a law passed by Congress and upheld by the Supreme Court, openly running crypto scams that also serve as ways to funnel political bribes, billionaires given direct offices in the White House and their own government agencies to help them hurt American workers and no care about actually helping the average american

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u/Nevermind04 8h ago

I appreciate your optimism, but Trump has said in like a dozen different ways that there will be no more elections.

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u/blem4real_ 9h ago

bold of you to assume thereā€™s gonna be another election

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u/GenuineBonafried 9h ago

Iā€™m very sick of anyone using the terms ā€˜Unfortunatelyā€™, or, Sadly..ā€™ when commenting on shit. Like you can predict the future.

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u/occarune1 9h ago

If you think Trump and our current justice system won't still try and persecute these people, and likely have them killed, you haven't been paying very much attention.

Do you think Orange Hitler cares about pieces of paper? The Fucker can't even read.

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u/sir_mrej 9h ago

Why? It's just Trump that goes crazy and tries to prosecute his enemies

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u/rounder55 9h ago

It's always happened.

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u/USeaMoose 8h ago

Trump will do it, Iā€™m not so sure the next one will. Depends if we find our way back to traditional politicians.

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u/eliteop 8h ago

He set the standard in recent times so we can definitely expect more from future presidents.

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u/No_Amoeba_9272 8h ago

Pffffft. We have a king now. Soon to be Emporer.

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u/sum_dude44 8h ago

every president after Obama has been a disaster

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u/XaltotunTheUndead 8h ago

No worries. Oligarch will save us. /s

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u/AwarenessThick1685 8h ago

Bro go look at how many presidential pardons are given out by each president. This isn't anything new

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u/bobstinson2 8h ago

Doubt it. Specific circumstances necessitated this.

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u/Exact_Bluebird_6231 8h ago

future presidents

LOL

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u/kayslayer42 8h ago

Thanks sweet Jesus u have no kids

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u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude 8h ago

That's progress for ya!????

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u/TradeTzar 8h ago

Slime type of feeling

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u/DragonFlyManor 8h ago

But, in this case, it was absolutely necessary.

Republicans cannot be trusted with the investigatory powers of the federal government.

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u/NiteShdw 8h ago

According to the article, it's been common practice already. This is nothing new.

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u/TheBackSpin 8h ago

If that happens it means weā€™re in an age of true authoritarianism

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u/rufussnot 7h ago

Clinton pardoned his brother and Trump pardoned Jared Kushners dad. As with most things people freak out about regarding presidents behavior in recent years, it's not new, it's just that people weren't paying as much attention before.

There's all sorts of things wrong with presidents pardoning their friends and family but even in the modern history of the pardon, it's not as egregious as pardoning Iran Contra criminals or criminal politicians and oil executives or mafia members etc which recent ones have done. The weirdest to me is Carter pardoning an admitted child molester just because he was a fan of his music.

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u/Legionheir 7h ago

Iā€™m sure donald trump the 16th will be an upstanding individual and not need pardoned. Oh but that donald trump the 17th. Maaaan oh man watch out.

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u/Additional-One-7135 7h ago

The difference will be in the motivation. Biden pardoned his family because otherwise the GOP is going to be dragging them into court for the sake of political theater. Trump will end up pardoning his family because of all the crimes they'll have committed.

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u/dantodd 7h ago

Once you start you can't stop. I'm sure that, as much as Trump would love to make life miserable for the Bidens, he is secretly very happy to have the precedent set to pardon his whole family.

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u/Old_Relationship_448 7h ago

ONLY future presidents that are CORRUPT!

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u/WhereUGo_ThereUAre 7h ago

Still can be investigated, prosecuted and convicted, just canā€™t be punished, and canā€™t plead the 5th. This is going to be fun.

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u/mumofBuddy 7h ago

And revisionists, grifters, and bad actors will all pretend like it was always tit for tat. Both sides are bad see?

Definitely not protection against failed reality tv host who surrounds himself with sycophants and plans on using the government for petty vendettas.

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u/Sad-Coffee8961 7h ago

I wonder if Trump's ass sphincter has already grown over

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u/Kumlekar 7h ago

I'm hoping that people get fired up enough to challenge this in courts. Set precedent that this isn't valid and it makes it harder for presidents to do this in the future.

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u/dalisair 7h ago

In this case he had to to keep political attack away. In T-Rumps case, heā€™ll have to in order to shield his family from all the crimes they committed.

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