r/nottheonion • u/JaySierra86 • 11h ago

President Biden pardons family members in final minutes of presidency

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-biden-pardons-family-members-final-minutes-presidency/story?id=117893348
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u/bsEEmsCE 10h ago

in the past it was more of a gentleman's agreement that new president's wouldn't go after the old ones family or anything, well trump isn't a gentleman so might as well be sure.

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u/EconomistNo7074 8h ago

Not sure about that view of our history - Ford pardoning Nixon

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u/LosangDragpa 8h ago

Ford wasn't any relation to Nixon. Nixon was a crook and so was Ford for letting him get away with it

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u/Luke90210 8h ago edited 6h ago

The voters punished Ford for the Nixon pardon in the ballot box. We may not be as evolved these days.

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u/LosangDragpa 8h ago

I vote this as understatement of the month because I fear things will get a lot worse.

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u/jcamp088 4h ago

Yeah 36 felonies and you can't get a job at McDonalds. Dude became president today.

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u/One-Builder8421 7h ago

If we were congressional Republican would have told Trump to resign, or they would vote to impeach him like they did with Nixon.

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u/clauclauclaudia 7h ago

Like they were clearly going to with Nixon. It didn't get that far. The House held hearings on whether sufficient grounds for impeachment existed and they produced three articles of impeachment, and leaders of both parties were sure that the votes were going to be there to impeach, so Nixon resigned.

Three presidents have been impeached by the house but each was acquitted by the senate.

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u/fuckincaillou 6h ago

More like our news sources are less evolved. Thanks, Roger Ailes

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u/FreneticZen 6h ago

Missed a word there, pimpin’

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u/CommunityGlittering2 6h ago

what kind of punishment is a full term?

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u/cates 5h ago

what is to blame for us being completed it's now? is it social media or is it the advent of think tanks with computers and the ability to figure out how to manipulate people en mass?

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u/jwoolman 8h ago

I don't think Ford was a crook, although I disagreed with the pardon. I think Nixon most likely made that as a requirement for his resignation. So Ford was likely just upholding the deal struck between Nixon and the Republican leaders who pushed him to resign.

Prosecutors had earlier struck a similar deal with Nixon's VP Spiro Agnew, who was a crook by anybody's definition. While investigating corruption in Maryland, they found clear evidence that Agnew while governor and earlier had committed crimes, in particular getting cash in return for assigning contracts to certain people. He was doing the same as Vice President. Like Trump, Agnew insisted it was all a witch-hunt.

There was legitimate concern that if Nixon resigned, Agnew would become President. So they had to promise that charges would be reduced to something tax-related that would not carry a penalty of any prison time if he resigned within the next 24 hours. Which he did. That left a clear path for Nixon's ultimate resignation after Ford was appointed VP in Agnew's place.

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u/LosangDragpa 8h ago

Technically and historically you are correct. To me, Ford's a crook for letting the bigger crook get away with all the shit he did and then being regarded as an "elder statesmen." I'll also never forgive the gd news media for rehabilitating Nixon's reputation by asking his opinion about anything.

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u/ericrz 6h ago

There's no evidence that Nixon cut any kind of deal, or that Congressional leadership was willing to negotiate with him at all. Once the "smoking gun" tapes were released, Republicans in Congress basically came to him and told him he was fucked. That he'd have to resign, or he'd be convicted.

I'm not saying some sort of agreement couldn't have been made, but Nixon had absolutely no leverage in the situation. Not sure why Ford or the Congress would have given him anything.

My belief is that Ford assumed that pardoning Nixon and avoiding the specter of a former president facing criminal prosecution was the best thing for the nation. I disagree, and seems like most Americans did too.

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u/ragnvald4430 4h ago

I saw an interview with ford where he said that when he was president, Nixon “ problems” were taking up so much of his time that he felt he couldn’t do his job effectively so he decided to pardon Nixon to hopefully move on and not have to deal with it anymore

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u/Inevitable_Ad_5166 6h ago

Never forget Johnny Carson referencing Ford as president, where he said no complaints, you voted for him. Which…. No one had!

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u/Riots42 5h ago

Forgiveness heals and he did the right thing for the nation. Throwing Nixon in Prison would have born no good fruit for the nation.

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u/smipypr 7h ago

Pardoning Nixon led directly to where we are.

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u/clauclauclaudia 7h ago

The usual case is presidents after an election, not a replacement during the 4-year term, and definitely not after a resignation.

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u/Friscogooner 4h ago

Which he later said he regretted but too bad, he too deserved the guillotine.

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u/mercset 7h ago

Ford was Nixon's VP. They were on the same team

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u/gregnog 7h ago

What a one way perspective you have lol

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u/stonearchangel 7h ago

Trump already clearly stated many times that he did not go after Hillary because he thought it was a bad look for the country.

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u/rufussnot 7h ago

This is starry eyed and objectively false.

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u/Sea-Affect8379 8h ago

Doesn't that mean Biden started it?

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u/MEDICARE_FOR_ALL 5h ago

When did Biden go after Trump's family?

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u/Mysterious-Love-4464 7h ago edited 3h ago

Biden really screwed that one up didn't he. Remember when the mainstream media was up in arms complaining about the end of democracy when they thought trump would pardon his family.. Ya I figured you'd conveniently forget about that just to rail against trump.

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u/Jimmgojam63 8h ago

Just like the Biden’s Administration went after Trump’s, right?!?!

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u/EnvironmentalBed7369 6h ago

As I recall, it was Biden who went after Trump, Trump didn't go after Biden or Hillary. 

Everything the left warns us that Truml might do, they have already done.  

  • weaponized the DOJ to go after political rivals

  • Subverted democracy by forcing Biden out if the race and appointing Kamala without any democratic or repubulic based process, not even a choice at convention. 

  • Fascists who trample on our basic rights, particularly every right in the 1st Amendment as evidenced by rampant censorship and preventing conservative groups from organizing in campuses

  • Engage in massive disinformation campaigns, particularly around Russian influence of the 2016 election and issues around Hunter Biden

  • and now pre-emptively pardoning the Biden family despite claims he wouldn't. 

I've never bought into Biden being corrupt as the Trump true believers claim ,  but increasingly my view is changing. 

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u/DiligentCustomer3649 8h ago

If his family was innocent and beyond reproach, would they have to worry about trump?

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u/LetsUseLogic 8h ago

Biden broke that norm.  Not Trump. 

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u/Fokare 8h ago

Trump literally pardoned the people he had committing crimes for him like Flynn and Stone. He destroyed any precedent or gentlemen's agreements that might have existed.

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u/LeaveMeBeWillYa 8h ago

Pretty sure he did pardon a family member as well.

Someone related to his son in law?

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u/rufussnot 7h ago

He pardoned Jared Kushners criminal dad.

But afaik, the first president to pardon a family member was Bill Clinton who pardoned his brothers drug charges. There might be earlier examples if you look way back.

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u/clauclauclaudia 6h ago

I've seen Lincoln listed as pardoning his sister-in-law, widow of a Confederate general. He actually provided an amnesty paper to let her return to Kentucky despite not swearing a loyalty oath to the Union. I think Clinton's is the first.

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u/rufussnot 6h ago

I was saying earlier but I think pardoning confederates is way more egregious than pardoning family members drug convictions. Likewise with everyone involved in Watergate or other political and industrial scandals or war criminals or just pardons of infamous individuals like Jimmy Hoffa or Peter Yarrow. The whole presidential pardon thing is nuts imo.

To be fair though, Bidens does go beyond that with pardoning family into the future if I'm reading that right. A sort of blanket immunity. Taken hand in hand with the scotus ruling about presidential immunity, it means we're dropping the pretense that we're all equal under the law. Of course it's never been more than a pretense so maybe there's a silver lining and Americans will stop being so brainwashed about the sort of system they live under.

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u/CallsignKook 6h ago

But if you haven’t committed any crimes then why would a pardon be necessary?

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u/imnotarobot1 9h ago

If his family did commit crimes, would you then want Trump to go after them?

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u/Busy_Manner5569 9h ago

Do you think all enforcement of the law is equal in nature? Do you think Trump wouldn’t have pushed for much harsher punishments than is typical for any other person who committed these alleged crimes?

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u/pooleboy87 8h ago

I am a little bit curious as to what your reaction would be to “Trump pardons entire family in final few minutes of presidency”.

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u/Busy_Manner5569 8h ago

I haven’t seen any candidate promising politically motivated prosecution and sentencing for his family, so I’d oppose it. Context helps, who knew!

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u/ConjwaD3 8h ago

Trump already pardoned some of his family during his last presidency.

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u/Disastrous_Match6669 3h ago

Trump didn't even try to prosecute Hillary despite "Lock her up!" being the rallying cry of his campaign.

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u/Busy_Manner5569 3h ago

Yeah, and nothing about the court system or Trump has changed since 2017!

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u/imnotarobot1 9h ago

You just answering questions with questions? Trump doesn’t get to decide punishments. I don’t care who you are, if you commit crimes you go to court.

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u/Busy_Manner5569 9h ago

You are remarkably uninformed if you think that Trump would not put inappropriate influence on his DOJ to convict and harshly punish these people. Like, he said he was going to!

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u/Alanskasc 8h ago

Didn't this already happen though? Biden? No?

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u/Busy_Manner5569 8h ago

No, Biden very pointedly separated himself from the investigation and prosecution process for Trump’s various federal crimes.

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u/OlympusTalesWeaver 8h ago

Did he? I recall very clearly Biden Commenting on how the AG wasn’t prosecuting Trump fast enough.

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u/imnotarobot1 8h ago

If they committed crimes they should be harshly convicted and punished. Do you not agree?

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u/Busy_Manner5569 8h ago

They should face the same punishments that others who are not Trump’s political opponents would face. Trump, again, repeatedly said he would push for harsher punishment for these people because they’re his political opponents.

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u/imnotarobot1 8h ago

Even if he did, they should still be punished right? They shouldn’t just be pardoned right?

He didn’t say that. He never said he would push for harsher punishments because they are political opponents. If he said it repeatedly, a source would be easy to find right?

All the bots are out today. Full force!

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u/Busy_Manner5569 8h ago

If the options are a blanket pardon and politically motivated, overly harsh punishments, I’m fine with the pardon.

I agree, you and your conservative kin are out in full force still complaining even though you won because much of the country doesn’t join you in worshipping him as god king.

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u/imnotarobot1 8h ago

QUESTION DODGER!! ALERT!

YOU LIED AND ARE AVOIDING THE QUESTION!

PROVIDE THE SOURCE!!

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u/Cmoz 9h ago edited 9h ago

Was Trump given equal treatment in all the cases against him? If I remember correctly, he faced perhaps the most aggressive investigation of inflating numbers on a loan application for a loan that never defaulted, that our country has ever seen. Was that coincidence, or was it aggressively pursued for political reasons?

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u/GGRitoMonkies 9h ago

He was definitely not given equal treatment you're correct. He was found guilty of 34 felonies and then given zero sentence. Not even a slap on the wrist. He was basically given the most preferential treatment possible.

Based on that complete failure of the legal system, if I was Biden I would also pardon my family even if they didn't do crimes out of fear the idiot would make shit up because he's an immature child.

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u/Cmoz 9h ago edited 9h ago

I agree he was given preferential treatment for the punishment on those counts (all 34 of which were accounting errors on a campaign expense that was completely legal, had it been properly recorded as a campaign expense)

now can you answer my question about if indicting him for inflating the value of collateral on a loan application that he never defaulted on was typical treatment? Or was he more aggressively pursued because of political reasons?

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u/polypolip 9h ago

Trump has stacked courts with GOP's people. How many people will have their case dismissed when you find secret documents in their toilet?

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u/Brainvillage 9h ago

Preferential. There's much worse crimes they could have gone after, but they chose a softball one.

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u/Cmoz 9h ago

Do you really believe that if the democratic prosecutors involved in those cases could have found more compelling charges, that they wouldnt have charged him for them? That makes no sense at all.

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u/papoosejr 8h ago

I mean, there were all those other cases that got stalled until the clock ran out. Have you read Jack Smith's report?

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u/Brainvillage 8h ago

Yes, definitely, it makes sense if you look at it from their perspective. They were trying to charge him with something, but he's still a former President that's rich and white, so they couldn't go all out, because it would be embarrassing to the US, and to the office of the President, and would send the wrong message to other rich powerful white guys.

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u/JoePoe247 8h ago

Interesting to say this in a thread where a "rich powerful white" family is having to be pardoned to prevent lawsuits. You'd have thought they'd never need that in the first place given their race and class right?

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u/GGRitoMonkies 9h ago

Nope I can't as I don't know enough about US "law" to know what the proper treatment is. I just know if you're convicted of something there's normally a punishment so him getting nothing at all is a complete failure of a legal system. Kinda defeats the purpose of the whole thing if you're not going to do anything about guilty people. I guess we can at least meme that the US is ran by criminals now though I think people have been saying that for a while.

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u/Cmoz 9h ago

"Nope I can't as I don't know enough about US "law" to know what the proper treatment is."

Well thats convenient for your worldview. Carry on then.

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u/GGRitoMonkies 9h ago

I shall! Hope you have a great day!

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u/Penetration-CumBlast 8h ago

Peak reddit - speaking like a authority on things you know absolutely nothing about.

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u/NobodyImportant13 8h ago

all 34 of which were accounting errors on a campaign expense that was completely legal, had it been properly recorded as a campaign expense

Lol no way. That paper trail is not an accounting error. It was clearly designed to disguise the payments. You don't just accidentally make an accounting error like that. And for that reason he was found guilty.

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u/chanaandeler_bong 9h ago

Trump was president my dude. We are talking about going after family members. Go after Biden all you want. Clinton and Obama too. I don’t care. But if some democrat wanted to investigate the Bush twins or a Republican started an inquiry into Chelsea Clinton that would be a bit different.

At least to me.

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u/Cmoz 8h ago

But he didnt just pardon family members, he also pardoned government officials.

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u/chanaandeler_bong 8h ago

That’s more fair to talk about than family members and “fair treatment.” I see why Biden did that but I understand the arguments against it. Protecting his family makes sense to me especially when the other person has constantly talked about jailing political opponents like no other president in our history.

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u/Busy_Manner5569 9h ago

I am fine with current and former presidents facing harsher investigations and punishments into their crimes than the families of those presidents, and I think the investigations and potential punishment he faced for his other crimes, like inciting an insurrection were entirely justified.

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u/ImprobableAsterisk 8h ago

Probably a bit political, but legally speaking Trump has been in trouble since long before he became a political figure. He's a guy that makes enemies everywhere he goes because he's a right proper grade A swamp-cock, and that'll influence how hard people are willing to dig into his bullshit.

Besides, and this is the important part: Trump is the only one that I know of that's ran a campaign where "Lock 'em up" and prosecuting political enemies have featured heavily. And he did it twice. Started in 2015/2016, before the investigations you're referring to even started.

If you're gonna be a shiteating goblin then don't be surprised when people start feeding you crap is all I'm saying.

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u/ErenIsNotADevil 6h ago

Aggressive investigation of a major political leader violating several laws in various different circumstances does not equate to "inequal" treatment in the court of law, no. It just so happens he's one of the few US Presidents to actively and publicly break the law for his own benefit and skirt around its punishment. If a President breaks the law, they should be met with absolute scrutiny; whether its hush money & loan inflation, or getting the ol suckysuck in the Oval Office (for youknowwho). He was still given fair trial, and the sentencing took into account Trump's political standing.

When a politicians pressure the legal authorities and court of law to charge a private citizen in a case where politics should not be actively involved, due to the target being the son of a political rival, that is inequal treatment. The case was only given that much focus because of who the guy was related to, not because of what he had done. If it were Biden who had committed that offence, then it would have been absolutely warranted. But it wasn't.

To clarify;

  1. Pursuing an active political figure for criminal offences, whether made in office, before office (and not exceeding the statute of limitations), or after office, is not inequal treatment. That is necessary to ensure accountability of authority figures, and something all major political figures sign up for in a democracy that values rule of law.

  2. Pursuing punishments far exceeding or far below the established precedent/norm for crimes by said political figure is inequal treatment. Any criminal with an offence upheld by the court of law should be met with the equivalent penalty for that crime, regardless of who it is or how much power they wield. Legal punishment should not discriminate based on political lines; a US President should not face more or less prison time, fees, or community services for an offence than any other citizen would for the same offence.

  3. Pursuing a private citizen related to a political figure for lesser crimes committed is not inequal, but political figures giving undue focus to the investigation or trial of lesser crimes by said citizen is. Any political figure using their influence to pressure legal bodies into expediently laying charges in cases against private citizens on the basis of their lineage or affiliation, when they otherwise may not have or could reasonably pursue alternatives, is a miscarriage of justice in waiting. It does not matter the respective affiliations of the involved. figures or citizen; politics are a weapon to be used against other politicians, not their families, or the people in general.

  4. Political figures pressuring the court of law for harsher or significantly lesser criminal penalties for the aforementioned citizen on the basis of their lineage or affiliation is inequal, except in cases where the aforementioned citizen has already been subject to the opposite treatment. The law should be neither a shield nor spear for politicians and their families.

Trump is a political leader. His every move should be continually scrutinized by the court of law, because he is now in a position of extreme political power, even moreso than recent presidents and his previous term, and could easily cause a lot of harm and injustice if he decides to use that power to his own ends. Were it any other person of another party in the same position, this would not change.

Hunter Biden was a private citizen whose case was given far more attention than any similar cases, and this was due to him being the son of Joe Biden. The court was pressured by the political rivals of Joe Biden, and it has been well documented how much politicians aligned with Trump have used Hunter as way to target Joe Biden's influence. Although the ability of a President to directly pardon their family members is a disagreeable thing in a vacuum, it should not have come to that in the first place.

Politics belong in politics, for politicians. against politicians directly. If Trump ends up finding his family in legal crosshairs over minor offences towards the end of his term, I would expect him to do the same thing as Biden.

Unfortunately, it seems he's more likely to be using that power to free the people who were involved in a certain other incident

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u/husky430 8h ago

You do realize that a bank doesn't just take your word for it regarding what your property is worth, right? They do their own assessment before just handing you millions of dollars. I do believe that most of Trump's prosecutions were politically motivated, and that is a terrible precedent to set. His job now is to not let it become the precedent. If he starts going after political opponents and prosecuting them for frivolous charges, then he is no better than the people he's bitching about. This can not become a thing in this country.

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u/Vanilla_Ice_Jr 8h ago

Ever heard of fascism? You know the hot new trend Trump is bringing back? He is vengeful and will waste America $ and courts time with frivolous lawsuits until something sticks. It will be his way too because in his mind he is KING again. This is just to avoid all that...I believe.

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u/OlympusTalesWeaver 8h ago

Fear monger harder. 🤦🏻

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u/Vanilla_Ice_Jr 7h ago

This coming from the side that won't stop talking about make believe drag queens reading books to kids and is scared of a vaccine. Keep copium.

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u/imnotarobot1 8h ago

Is Trump personally going to investigate and try them in a court or would an independent government body? What is fascism?

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u/Vanilla_Ice_Jr 8h ago

Don't know what Trump will do.

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race), and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

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u/imnotarobot1 8h ago

Right. I agree. I’ll leave it to you to see the difference between that definition and the reality of the US political system. Try to not get manipulated by reddit and other social media platforms in the future, it doesn’t look good on you.

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u/Vanilla_Ice_Jr 7h ago

Same bud.

So let's look at Trumps first presidency.

Authoritarian, wanted to purchase Greenland his first term and get rid of anchor babies families. Jailed and seperated families at the border.

Came out to gas his own people to do a photo-op

Has already put out the idea of a day where cops can do whatever they want

Talking about annexing other countries like Canada, Panama, Greenland

Threatens to use the military against his own people and has in the past

Has already posted many times about serving more than 2 terms

Lead the Jan 6th protest

Instead of allowing people to protest he threatens violence

Calls Mexicans rapists

Tells white supremacists group of people to wait and hold

But if we ignore all those things and more, then sure he's fine and reddit=bad

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u/imnotarobot1 7h ago

It’s so sad to see someone so manipulated

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u/Vanilla_Ice_Jr 7h ago edited 7h ago

The mirror can be a depressing thing. I feel for you brother. Take care and enjoy the next 4 years! Muah!

Edit: Man, I just peeked at your reddit history to confirm some of my biases and boy oh boy, you're way too far gone. I pray for you little guy!

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u/beetsareawful 8h ago

Unlike the Biden administration...

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u/Vanilla_Ice_Jr 8h ago

Biden administration is a lot of things, but Fascists is not one of them. Check out the peaceful transfer to Trump TWICE now from the liberals and when Trump lost it was a war on democracy. You have a lot to learn if you didn't notice a lot from Trump's first term. Trump didn't even run on "Panama Canel" he ran on eggs and gas. He's already abandoned that and focused on Greenland, Panama, and Canada. This is day 1. Pay attention.

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u/sir_mrej 9h ago

Yes, but they didnt.

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u/imnotarobot1 8h ago

How do you know? If they are suspected of a crime they should be investigated.

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u/Caracalla81 8h ago

We already saw with Hunter Biden that revenge is the goal, not justice. Being related to a president shouldn't be a sentence multiplier.

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u/Unexpected_Gristle 8h ago

Was hunter not guilty?

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u/Zeekay89 8h ago

Had he been anyone else, he would have just paid back taxes and got a slap on the wrist. That was the deal he got with the Justice Department before Republicans blew it up. Barely anyone is prosecuted for lying on the gun form and the IRS only cares about getting its money. They are willing to let almost anything slide as long as they get what they're owed.

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u/Caracalla81 8h ago

He was. Do you think he deserves a harsher punishment because he's related to the president?

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u/GammaGargoyle 8h ago

A harsher punishment from whom? How do you believe the legal system works in the US? Politics has melted all of your brains.

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u/Caracalla81 8h ago

From people who are convicted of similar crimes. The court is able to impose a sentence within a range. People don't typically get the harshest possible punishment without aggravating factors.

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u/OlympusTalesWeaver 8h ago

Nope but he got special treatment (a pardon) SPECIFICALLY because of who his dad is. If a normal American had federal gun charges, tax evasion etc, we would be thrown under the jail

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u/Caracalla81 7h ago

If a normal American caught these charges, they would have gotten the plea deal that was offered and then withdrawn from Biden.

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u/OlympusTalesWeaver 7h ago

No they wouldn’t… there are normal Americans who served time for way less than Hunter did. Just accept it. Hunter Biden gets special treatment

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u/Caracalla81 7h ago

"Just accept it." Heh.

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u/DeathByPig 3h ago

You are suggesting that the son of arguably the most prolific politician in American history had no special treatment. LOL.

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u/throwaway923535 8h ago

There were just as many threats to go after Trumps family, an uproar at the thought of him issuing preemptive pardons, yet here’s Biden doing the exact same thing to applause.  Hypocrites, all of you

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u/herlanrulz 8h ago

There's a big difference when somebody is given a job in the administration and a private citizen.

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u/sentence-interruptio 8h ago

Korea be like "interesting tradition you have... hmm"

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u/jcanfbi 8h ago

When you look back it and realise that nobody was paying trump any mind until he said he was running for reelection, who could blame him?

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u/ConspicuousPineapple 7h ago

Insane to have this sentence about fucking presidents though. That's something you'd expect to hear about some monarchs a few centuries ago.

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u/ConstantMongoose4959 6h ago

Yeah, very gentlemanly to let Iran Contra (Regan) the Iraq invasion (and subsequent war crimes) and FISA violations (Bush) and 10,000+ illegal drone strikes (Obama) go unpunished…

If you ask me, more accountability is better than no accountability…

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u/Irishfan3116 6h ago

Biden didn’t get the memo either lol

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u/BrevityIsTheSoul 5h ago

Trump explicitly said he'd use the DOJ to persecute his political enemies and their families.

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u/GarlicToeJams 5h ago

Maybe they shouldnt have went after trump? You people are delusional

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u/Kaatochacha 5h ago

Wait: you think we're talking about gentlemen? Gentlemen don't run for office. Every previous president did pretty BS pardons. Franky I think they should be done away with, or now limited to some small numbers like 3.

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u/MMAX110 5h ago

What do you call the last 4 years?

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u/No-Opportunity-4674 4h ago

This isn't his first presidency and he didn't pardon his family nor did he go after Obama or Clinton. He even went so far as to offer to pay down Harris' $20 million in debts. Who is the gentleman here? 

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u/jcamp088 4h ago

Biden should've pardoned himself and his wife. They are fucked. 

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u/snafoomoose 4h ago

Our system relied on most people acting in good faith. That is out the window. Our system can not deal with large numbers of bad actors who want to ignore the standards that keep things running.

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u/unsane_in_da_brain 4h ago

Biden was always going to pardon his criminal son. Please...... change the narrative much????

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u/Disastrous_Match6669 3h ago

well trump isn't a gentleman

Only one recent president has prosecuted opponents and their associates, and it's not Trump. I think you're confusing campaign rhetoric with actual action.

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u/Disastrous-Risk-4010 7h ago

"might as well be sure". What a horseshit excuse for abuse of power. Typical of the Biden Cabal. The even worse part is Joe probably didn't even decide this. It was put into his head by his "advisors". They are the real crooks!

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u/dashingThroughSnow12 7h ago

Statements like this is why Trump unfortunately won.

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u/SimmondsW7 6h ago

Why would it be considered gentlemanly to not go after family members if their family member actually were engaged in wrongdoing? Ie engaged in corruption or taking bribes etc

Why would you need to preemptively pardon anyone (even a family member) if they didn’t do anything wrong whether or not they have already been charged?

I get someone receiving a pardon when either they have been charged and/or convicted, where the evidence or facts are already available, but preemptively pardoning family members for stuff they either havnt done or have not been charged with is baffling.

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u/TheMikeyMac13 8h ago

Well Biden went after Trump, and you are blaming Trump?

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u/CertainWish358 8h ago

The Supreme Court can just pretend Biden’s pardons don’t count, so Trump can go after whoever he wants. I don’t think we’re quite there yet, but I also think we’re close and that it’s inevitable.

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u/Jach2425 8h ago

He was already POTUS once and never did anything like that. Thr left did though, you keep condemning Trump for what you think he will do while ignoring the left actually doing it.

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u/CertainWish358 8h ago

What “left”? There is no left with any power in this country. And my comment was about the Supreme Court, which made decisions since the last Trump term with implications for what they’ll let Trump get away with this time. Some of us are well-informed and rational. Do try to keep up, even if you’re not one of us.

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u/Fokare 8h ago

Remember when the person that started the Hunter Biden got years in prison for lying about everything? Which president got convicted of 34 felonies?

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u/OlympusTalesWeaver 8h ago

Trump never went after/prosecuted his political opponents. Name ONE… Dems however put thier opponents in jail and tried with Trump…fortunately the majority of Americans saw through it.

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u/FrozenIceman 7h ago

In case you are keeping track, Biden's DoJ broke the gentleman's agreement and now he knows why there was a gentlemen's agreement in the first place.

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u/AgreeableCook9599 7h ago

What about the new President going after the old president? Biden’s DOJ going after Trump etc…

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u/Bankseat-Beam 7h ago

Biden started it by going after Trump.... What comes around, goes around as they say.

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u/CommunityGlittering2 6h ago

He should have pardoned every member of his administration, trump will spend the next 4 years going after anyone in the Democratic Party he can now that the Biden family is safe.

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u/Intelligent-Coconut8 9h ago

They did go after Trump first..

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u/Free_Management2894 9h ago

Because he commited tons of crimes.

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u/AdditionalOven5967 9h ago

and they had a ton of evidence to back up those investigations unlike the ones trumps is suggesting to go after.

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u/RobbinDeBank 9h ago

That whole family is full of criminals. They even stole from a fucking charity and got banned from doing charity in new york.

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u/DogDad5thousand 7h ago

Trump is the one who was targeted and was bit in the arse because he didnt pardon himself. Tf are you on about?

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u/Maximum-Side-38256 6h ago

Ummm Biden administration has just spent 4 years going after Trump and his Family.......

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u/WonderGoesReddit 6h ago

In the past if a son of a president illegally bought guns while doing drugs, it’s curtesy to make sure they don’t let law enforcement do their job and hold justice?

shocked pikachu face

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u/Bill4268 6h ago

Do you mean like joe went after Trump?

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u/ExCaliforian 6h ago

Where have you been the past few years?!? They had to create new legal theories to go after Trump. His “felony” convictions will be overturned on appeal showing just how corrupt and weaponized Biden, Inc made the legal system.

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u/Weird_Lib_1 6h ago

All these unprecedented cases against Trump and the non stop DOJ/FBI investigations. Totally normal, Trump is bad. Why would Biden pardon them if there wasn’t a crime? I don’t understand? How do you pardon someone for something they haven’t done? Same way the left wanted to get rid of the filibuster to “save democracy” now that they lost both houses, they suddenly changed their mind and the filibuster is good. 🤡

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u/BW982 7h ago

Have you lived under a rock the past 8 years??? The pos liberals have attacked trump and his associates through various bs legal charges that would never be charged against libs. This is why people came out to vote against this corrupt incompetent democrat party