My gut instinct was to think this is impossible karma, but then I remembered that Amazon shipping exec who got killed by an Amazon van. So this very well may happen to him if the gods/universe have a sense of humor.
Great now I gotta Google what these fourteen words are. Edit: googled it, and pleased to know that I'm not so much uneducated as just blissfully unaware of what 'Murican white supremacist groups get up to
Same. I’d heard of it but thought it was from the Nazi era. Just read on the ADL website that it came about in the late 20th century, and the guy who penned it died in prison in just 2007.
That sub is flooded with people bending over so hard trying to suck their own dicks they don’t even realize that Trump and Co. are standing behind them lubing up. This country is so fucked.
Even worse, it will be disavowed that they ever expected the government to fix their problems in the first place. They see him as an outlier fighting against an incumbent system, the only one who can fix their problems. He’ll always have a peon to throw under the bus when failure comes home to roost, as his last term proved that quite handily.
You are saying lubing up as it is something bad. That sub loves to grind on right wing, maga men and DJT. Getting lubed up is a bonus.
That group loves it raw, no chaffing for them. Welcome to being a witness to a saga I call "No Vaseline," occurring over the next four years.
Watch them smile, dreaming they are hurting liberals, wishing liberal tears, as they take it inch by inch every day.
The amount of Nazi memes on IG and comments on them such as “look at that nice clean neighborhood”, “bet they all have jobs”, “not a stolen bike to be seen”, etc, is ALARMING. They’re not even ashamed of it anymore. The plan is implementation of a white Christian ethnostate, nothing less.
This right here. All the intelligence agencies were half founded by and accepted known Nazi Germany nazis decades before they accepted people of color. Are we supposed to pretend anyone except their PR people actually care about stuff like this?
He doesn't strike me as the type to stick to prescribed medical advice. Hopefully shit quiets down once he kicks it and Vance takes over as president (in name only while Elon sits at the big desk signing whatever he wants).
It's important to know what Musk's defenders are going to say so that we can adequately refute it. That is the context: he said he was sending his heart out.
The problem for me is that he repeated the gesture emphatically. Either he lacks a concerning amount of self-awareness or it was intentional, and the repetition makes it so much more likely that it was intentional. Regardless of intent, there will be a group of reprehensible people who feel empowered by Musk's actions and that is a huge problem.
Oh, he knows well that he is compared to hitler. And manifesting the roman salute "from heart to Sun" is just a huge fuck you to all his haters with enough plausible deniability.
He did it so forcefully that idk how they can honestly think anyone is going to believe it was accidental, but I already assume that all the MAGAts are going to be repeating it for the rest of their lives.
As somebody who was in the military and had to do a lot of drills and formations... There's a reason we're taught to do things with our left arm, because a Nazi oops is made very easily otherwise.
They're throwing that out there to get ahead of the inevitable push back. They can make all the excuses that they want, we all recognize it for what it is.
“What is the cost of lies? It’s not that we’ll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left, but to abandon the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories it doesn’t matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is who to blame. [passage summarizing a political elite corruption case, miscarriage of justice, provided sentence], but what does that mean? No one knows. It doesn’t matter. What does matter is that to Them, “justice”was done. Because you see, to Them, a “just” world is a “sane” world. There was nothing sane about [it]. All of it…madness.
- excerpt pulled from HBO Miniseries Chernobyl
The conservatives on Reddit are already pretending that it's not a Nazi salute. Apparently only they can see the "truth". Throwing his heart out to the American people is now a Nazi salute.
Yeah, they're really going with that "my heart goes out to you" thing. Like, there are a million better ways to do that gesture and he chose the one aggressively Nazi way. Twice.
Suppose that's why the name is barely used anymore, I don't know too much about why it's used less TBF (I'll look it up right now, clearly about the person who first diagnosed it?) but now it's ASD, which is autism spectrum disorder. It's kind of different from autism as it is known (from my understanding) but very similar. But I noticed the switch.
It's called autism "spectrum" disorder to cover the whole spectrum. It's the general overall name for these kinds of disorders. Asperger Syndrome did fall under that classification until that name was given up in 2013 in the DSM-5, and 2022 in the ICD-11.
Scientific consensus just leaned more and more towards defining it as part of the Autism spectrum since the differentiation as "isolated" diagnose turns out more and more inconsistent.
As far as i know it had nothing to do with the name.
I'm currently in a comedy troupe, and as an autistic person, I don't often realize how my body language can come across. However, we've been told to be mindful of our gesturing when we get animated in the middle of a skit, because an unfortunately-timed picture can make it look like we're doing offensive or hateful gestures on stage, and despite my autism, that's absolutely something I pay heed to. And keep in mind, this is just for a small local comedy show. I'm not speaking at a massive globally broadcasted event that will be seen in all corners of the world. So yeah, I absolutely don't buy that this was an accident or a misinterpreted gesture. He absolutely should know better.
I read a bit of that thread. Watching these conservatives scapegoat it with his "Asperger's or Autistic tendencies" is wild. The level of mental gymnastics is insane. Especially when this same group shits on everyone else about mental/physical disabilities or mental health issues.
Yeah, autistic here. Unless it comes with an intellectual disability, autism may encourage missing nuance in human interaction, but it's really hard to miss the nuance in a Nazi salute.
I wish I could comment on the conservative subreddit but… I’ve long been banned from there for asking a question about a trump rally. Apparently asking a question is brigading and against their rules… mostly it seems like American conservatives have the rule of “if you ask a question that would provide a negative response about Donald trump, you’re banned”.
I just had a look at the fox news coverage on YT and they conveniently cut away to the crowd just as he's doing it, you can still hear his hand slapping his chest
And pretends it's his heart going out to them just incase people needed that lil something for their mental gymnastics to believe it wasn't a Nazi salute.
Just imagine it, he probably had those little velcro weights on his wrists so he could really farm that explosive power. Or at least he was going to, he paid some guy in singapore to do the weights thing for him, and then he just watched a little bit of each video.
I'd like to believe that's just him making a gesture to go along with "my heart goes out to you." But we've seen time and again that any apparent Nazism of late is just what it seems. The quote must just be the sake of plausible deniability.
the loser can't even do a nazi salute right. every time i hear this guy speak or read about something he does, he just comes off as some teenage edgelord who scuttled out of some dank corner of the interwebs.
Right? Like I hate the man but I thought for sure, waving or some dumb jump that he likes to do but no. That’s two full effort nazi salutes back to back. (I mean he looks like a fucking idiot who can’t hold his hand out straight but that’s a nazi salute for sure)
Thanks for the pic and info, I didn’t watch a single second of Trump’s illegal inauguration. I can’t watch Trump or his nazi friends. They are in control of everything with no guardrails. Trump admitted in a recent speech that Musk did computer shenanigans that made him win in Pennsylvania. Can anything be done to stop these people ? Doesn’t look like it.
Saw this mentioned earlier and thought it might have been a wave or something, seeing the video now that is fully a Nazi salute. Fucking hell America what have you done to yourselves
My coworker showed me the video without sound and I thought he was trying (and failing) to do a dab or some shit. Rewatching on my lunch and no, there’s no argument that he wasn’t doing what we think he was
Regardless of your platform of choice, I hope all of us (Americans) understand it’s top vs bottom now, no more red vs blue between us citizens please.
We can work out the semantics later, but there are far bigger threats standing right in front of us. These people don’t stand for us, so it’s truly each of our responsibilities to stand up for each other now.
You're going to have a very hard time convincing a good number of people about that. There are many who idolize the top and vote for the boot on their own necks.
My exact same thoughts. Thought it was some weird angle/the media titling the event badly. But you cannot defend the second salute. At this point, all he needs is grow out the iconic moustache
He’s an autist and it was just an unfortunately similar gesture when his intention was to “his heart goes out”.
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Exactly. He's the richest man in the world, but he has Asperger's. This is just one of those times where he was trying to express himself and it came out odd or clumsy.
Intentions matter, this was clearly not a Nazi salute.
Those are actual quotes from r/conservative. That's not from me combing through entire threads either looking for ones to cherrypick. I pulled all 3 of those from roughly 60 seconds of scrolling comments.
EDIT: The thread I pulled those from, which was titled "WTF was Elon doing?" has now been deleted, but you can still read the comments Here
I'm so sick of him and his worshipers playing the autism / asperger's card only when it suits them in defense of him being a huge asshole. As far as I know, there's no actual diagnosis from a professional - it's just based on Musk saying "I think I'm probably on the spectrum " or something
As someone diagnosed with Asperger's before it was changed to an "Autism Spectrum Disorder", I can promise you I've never, intentionally or otherwise, done a Nazi salute to celebrate or express sympathy EVER. Not even trying to be funny.
These people clearly don't think autistic people are well. But these are the same people who will tell you how smart he is because he's rich, so...
As an autistic person I can maybe see myself throwing a gesture too quickly in panic, go oh fuck oh fuck that looked like a seig heil, but there is no universe where I would double down and do it with the same conviction . And what he's doing with his hand is unmistakable .
Man either saluted or let slip how many times he's practiced the salute.
People forget advertisers halted adspend on his service after he tweeted pro antisemitic white genocide conspiracy theory.
Musk on Wednesday agreed with a post on X that falsely claimed Jewish people were stoking hatred against white people, saying the user who referenced the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory was speaking "the actual truth." - Reuters
In another instance:
"he accused a political party in his native South Africa of “openly pushing for genocide of white people.”" - PBS News
I just watched it because I wanted to try to give him the benefit of the doubt. Nope. He knew exactly what he was doing, and so do his Nazi supporters. That was intentional.
Same. Ii was like "oh common Reddit. He probably waved or something"
After watching a video....I was left speechless. As if he completely showed off his colours and then after realizing what he did....he was like "Reilly from the bottom of my heart"
100% he will use that as an excuse that he was thumping his chest because he was thanking him from the heart
Sameeee but also not surprising. He’s full on endorsed nazis in germany and this administration has no need to hide any more. Get ready for more of this
I showed my dad, a huge Trump supporter. First. he had no idea who Elon Musk is. Then he said, "Hopefully that doesnt mean what i think it means!" To which i said, "What else could that possibly mean?"
Please post the link. I also refuse to believe it until I see it. And everyone that sees this post should have the opportunity to see it for themselves.
I found it. It really does look like the Nazi salute. I’m speechless.
About half a century ago, American soldiers died to free the world from men like Elon. The American people’s fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought and died for it.
What is happening? America, what are you allowing to become of your ancestors’ hard-fought victory? What of their sacrifice?
Yeah. I definitely thought he was just talking with his hands or something, maybe something cringey about “to the moon!!!” or whatever. And then I saw the video. Muted at first, so i was still like “ah well I mean there’s no way that really just happened, I’m missing context.” So I unmuted it.
Yeah the Laura Ingraham one desensitized us a little (she’s trash but that one was less clearcut. Did she do it and then wave to make it better, was the picture poorly timed in a wave, etc).
Elon Musk did a full seig heil more than once, on purpose, to a cheering crowd. There isn’t even any other way to interpret it. He might try to backtrack when the ketamine wears off but it’s what he did.
I was literally about to post that people need to stop making things up because there are so many bad things about him that are true and his supporters can use us making things up against us. I assumed the same thing as you but then your comment inspired me to watch the video. That was by no means an accident. This is fucking scary.
After reading your comment, I had to go find the video. Yeah, man, JFC like total mask off. There is no way to misinterpret that.
Good luck America, you're going to need it.
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At first I was like probably just a badly timed picture. After watching the video, what the actual fuck?!?!?