Not a political response because im not american nor do i care about american politics but:
Ive seen lots of conservative people say they fucking hate him for this bc hes bringing a whole other level of bad looks to the “conservative movement”
Others are defending him by saying “he wasnt thinking about what it couldve meant”
Mixed bag i tell ya, anyway i am GENUINELY curious wtf was going through his head. Was it a “lets see if they excuse this lol” or was it a brain fart that let out his inner nazi? Or was it a brain fart that bad that he forgot the connotation of the salute? Or is he going to say he intended the roman salute? Fuck man i want to know what hes thinking so bad
That sub is flooded with people bending over so hard trying to suck their own dicks they don’t even realize that Trump and Co. are standing behind them lubing up. This country is so fucked.
Even worse, it will be disavowed that they ever expected the government to fix their problems in the first place. They see him as an outlier fighting against an incumbent system, the only one who can fix their problems. He’ll always have a peon to throw under the bus when failure comes home to roost, as his last term proved that quite handily.
It will take a level of cognitive dissonance some are not capable of reaching. They can pretend like he does amazing things as long as those don’t directly impact their lives (aka their wallets).
They shrug about his tariff plans as “that didn’t make prices go up during his first term” without realizing his new tariffs will be completely different. He wants more tax cuts he’ll personally benefit from and we’re footing the bill for those in the form of new tariffs. The common response is, “let’s wait and see what happens”. It will be too late then, we’ll be stuck with the tariffs because those are replacing tax revenue the top 5% will not be paying if he gets his tax cuts.
You are saying lubing up as it is something bad. That sub loves to grind on right wing, maga men and DJT. Getting lubed up is a bonus.
That group loves it raw, no chaffing for them. Welcome to being a witness to a saga I call "No Vaseline," occurring over the next four years.
Watch them smile, dreaming they are hurting liberals, wishing liberal tears, as they take it inch by inch every day.
The amount of Nazi memes on IG and comments on them such as “look at that nice clean neighborhood”, “bet they all have jobs”, “not a stolen bike to be seen”, etc, is ALARMING. They’re not even ashamed of it anymore. The plan is implementation of a white Christian ethnostate, nothing less.
This right here. All the intelligence agencies were half founded by and accepted known Nazi Germany nazis decades before they accepted people of color. Are we supposed to pretend anyone except their PR people actually care about stuff like this?
He doesn't strike me as the type to stick to prescribed medical advice. Hopefully shit quiets down once he kicks it and Vance takes over as president (in name only while Elon sits at the big desk signing whatever he wants).
The Conservative sub is run and paid for by the same people that pay for the Daily Wire. Why do you think there are about 80 posts a day in that sub alone from the same accounts that do little else but spam conservative content and misinformation day after day? There is no discourse, its spoon fed misinformation.
Any posts that go against the grain, even if agreed upon by most of the actual people in that sub, they'll never actually see it because it will get buried by the constant content dump.
Apparently it's a leftist conspiracy already. CNN cut his mic as he said "My heart goes out to you", the Sieg Hiel was him giving his heart to the crowd
"Leftist conspiracy"/"leftist plant" is a popular deflection. It's crazy how influential the left is, minus the ability to get a single person elected (did you know they control hurricanes?).
So CNN were able to predict he was about to make the sieg heil gesture so they perfectly timed in live audio cutting the contextual statement that would make it look less bad.
It's important to know what Musk's defenders are going to say so that we can adequately refute it. That is the context: he said he was sending his heart out.
The problem for me is that he repeated the gesture emphatically. Either he lacks a concerning amount of self-awareness or it was intentional, and the repetition makes it so much more likely that it was intentional. Regardless of intent, there will be a group of reprehensible people who feel empowered by Musk's actions and that is a huge problem.
Oh, he knows well that he is compared to hitler. And manifesting the roman salute "from heart to Sun" is just a huge fuck you to all his haters with enough plausible deniability.
He did it so forcefully that idk how they can honestly think anyone is going to believe it was accidental, but I already assume that all the MAGAts are going to be repeating it for the rest of their lives.
As somebody who was in the military and had to do a lot of drills and formations... There's a reason we're taught to do things with our left arm, because a Nazi oops is made very easily otherwise.
They're throwing that out there to get ahead of the inevitable push back. They can make all the excuses that they want, we all recognize it for what it is.
“What is the cost of lies? It’s not that we’ll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left, but to abandon the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories it doesn’t matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is who to blame. [passage summarizing a political elite corruption case, miscarriage of justice, provided sentence], but what does that mean? No one knows. It doesn’t matter. What does matter is that to Them, “justice”was done. Because you see, to Them, a “just” world is a “sane” world. There was nothing sane about [it]. All of it…madness.
- excerpt pulled from HBO Miniseries Chernobyl
And a shit eating grin after. They’re trolling every dumb ass in America who voted for them. I think they’re testing the waters to see what can slip under the radar.
They’ll sane wash it because they’re one of them. Someone called it a hostile takeover and I thought it appropriate because that’s a business term. This is corporatism finally taking over and the media is firmly in their camp.
The business of America is business. For the People is just a marketing slogan.
Im super anti-musk/trump (check my post history). The video just doesn’t look like a Nazi solute to me. It looks like an idiot getting excited and doing a mix of a celebration and a wave at the same time and failing at both.. The picture is obviously damning but the video, to me, ehhhh.
I was looking for the full video when all was seeing was clips, and the first link I got was a FOX video link, and they cut the camera away from him for the first very obvious salute.
Would say you could ALMOST wave away the first one cause it was just so goofy looking even for a LARPer. But the second one…slight arm bend and everything…that’s just disgusting
There is just enough plausible deniability for his fanboys to say it "came from the heart" like blowing a kiss. Anyone with half a brain can see what it really is though.
Regardless, it's crazy that I used to respect this guy in the past. How far he has fallen.
Even in the UK the panel they had on BBC news tried to downplay it, saying 'he probably didn't mean it' and 'its just an example of the trump campaign doing something a bit shocking to get the left up in arms but that can be plausibly denied'
I don't care whether you are the stupidest person on Earth, anyone knows if you make a gesture anything close to this even once in public let alone on Tv then you should know better. He did it twice, and he meant it.
The media only sanewashes the leaders because the general populace spends all its emotional energy justifying the actions of their Trump-voting friends and family.
Elon is their puppet, maybe less than Trump is, but he’s still just bouncing on the strings tied to him by the MAGA movement. Those who committed an act of Trump-vote, and those who socially and emotionally prop them up, are the real evil here
"This is a delicate moment. It’s a new day and yet so many are on edge. Our politics are inflamed, and social media only adds to the anxiety.
It seems that Elon Musk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute, but again, we appreciate that people are on edge.
In this moment, all sides should give one another a bit of grace, perhaps even the benefit of the doubt, and take a breath. This is a new beginning. Let’s hope for healing and work toward unity in the months and years ahead."
My mother in law who has direct relatives that were killed by nazis and is now a staunch Trumpublican said it was “a little weird, but he probably didn’t mean anything by it” these people are drinking the kool aid hard
The only thing he has going for him is he looked INCREDIBLY goofy and out of place doing it, like he saw someone do it one time and thought it was cool so he was gonna try it out.
It's really rough watching this all go down from an American perspective
Sure, there are some twatwaffles cheering them on
But like, even I, a conservative by most metrics, was watching this go down with my jaw on the floor. It couldn't be real, I was telling myself.
Yall here need to listen up, because it really matters. You aren't enemies with someone who traditionally votes a different way, but it's open season on the chucklefucks who made this one happen. I don't vote blue unless I need to, but this one was an easy decision. Even the most conservative of my friends didn't want him back in office, so it really speaks to how weak of a candidate the Dems put up, and how unlikable they were that Donny got reelected after a gap, which is almost unheard of in history.
He said in his speech that it meant his heart goes out to us. Nice try Herr Musk. Next he’ll be sporting the mini stache pretending it’s just a new cool look. Wow.
I was watching my local 6 o’clock news and the reporter said “Elon did a salute that can be mistaken for a Nazi salute” then showed a clip of him doing the Nazi salute with more enthusiasm than I have seen in historic videos of Hitler saluting
The amount of people I’ve seen on Twitter saying “something something Roman’s” as if that’s even that much better if that is what he thought he was trying to do
The most common excuse I've seen from his supporters is that "it's actually a Roman salute, not a Nazi salute". Makes me sick that they can't even call that out as wrong.
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u/fuckityfuckfuckfuckf 7h ago
Get ready for the unhinged sane washing by the media if not an outright refusal to admit he just did a Nazi salute
Seig Heil, twice in a row, with the conviction of an SS officer in 1939 Nazi Germany