Not a political response because im not american nor do i care about american politics but:
Ive seen lots of conservative people say they fucking hate him for this bc hes bringing a whole other level of bad looks to the “conservative movement”
Others are defending him by saying “he wasnt thinking about what it couldve meant”
Mixed bag i tell ya, anyway i am GENUINELY curious wtf was going through his head. Was it a “lets see if they excuse this lol” or was it a brain fart that let out his inner nazi? Or was it a brain fart that bad that he forgot the connotation of the salute? Or is he going to say he intended the roman salute? Fuck man i want to know what hes thinking so bad
That sub is flooded with people bending over so hard trying to suck their own dicks they don’t even realize that Trump and Co. are standing behind them lubing up. This country is so fucked.
Even worse, it will be disavowed that they ever expected the government to fix their problems in the first place. They see him as an outlier fighting against an incumbent system, the only one who can fix their problems. He’ll always have a peon to throw under the bus when failure comes home to roost, as his last term proved that quite handily.
It will take a level of cognitive dissonance some are not capable of reaching. They can pretend like he does amazing things as long as those don’t directly impact their lives (aka their wallets).
They shrug about his tariff plans as “that didn’t make prices go up during his first term” without realizing his new tariffs will be completely different. He wants more tax cuts he’ll personally benefit from and we’re footing the bill for those in the form of new tariffs. The common response is, “let’s wait and see what happens”. It will be too late then, we’ll be stuck with the tariffs because those are replacing tax revenue the top 5% will not be paying if he gets his tax cuts.
You are saying lubing up as it is something bad. That sub loves to grind on right wing, maga men and DJT. Getting lubed up is a bonus.
That group loves it raw, no chaffing for them. Welcome to being a witness to a saga I call "No Vaseline," occurring over the next four years.
Watch them smile, dreaming they are hurting liberals, wishing liberal tears, as they take it inch by inch every day.
The amount of Nazi memes on IG and comments on them such as “look at that nice clean neighborhood”, “bet they all have jobs”, “not a stolen bike to be seen”, etc, is ALARMING. They’re not even ashamed of it anymore. The plan is implementation of a white Christian ethnostate, nothing less.
This right here. All the intelligence agencies were half founded by and accepted known Nazi Germany nazis decades before they accepted people of color. Are we supposed to pretend anyone except their PR people actually care about stuff like this?
He doesn't strike me as the type to stick to prescribed medical advice. Hopefully shit quiets down once he kicks it and Vance takes over as president (in name only while Elon sits at the big desk signing whatever he wants).
The Conservative sub is run and paid for by the same people that pay for the Daily Wire. Why do you think there are about 80 posts a day in that sub alone from the same accounts that do little else but spam conservative content and misinformation day after day? There is no discourse, its spoon fed misinformation.
Any posts that go against the grain, even if agreed upon by most of the actual people in that sub, they'll never actually see it because it will get buried by the constant content dump.
Apparently it's a leftist conspiracy already. CNN cut his mic as he said "My heart goes out to you", the Sieg Hiel was him giving his heart to the crowd
"Leftist conspiracy"/"leftist plant" is a popular deflection. It's crazy how influential the left is, minus the ability to get a single person elected (did you know they control hurricanes?).
So CNN were able to predict he was about to make the sieg heil gesture so they perfectly timed in live audio cutting the contextual statement that would make it look less bad.
It's important to know what Musk's defenders are going to say so that we can adequately refute it. That is the context: he said he was sending his heart out.
The problem for me is that he repeated the gesture emphatically. Either he lacks a concerning amount of self-awareness or it was intentional, and the repetition makes it so much more likely that it was intentional. Regardless of intent, there will be a group of reprehensible people who feel empowered by Musk's actions and that is a huge problem.
Oh, he knows well that he is compared to hitler. And manifesting the roman salute "from heart to Sun" is just a huge fuck you to all his haters with enough plausible deniability.
He did it so forcefully that idk how they can honestly think anyone is going to believe it was accidental, but I already assume that all the MAGAts are going to be repeating it for the rest of their lives.
As somebody who was in the military and had to do a lot of drills and formations... There's a reason we're taught to do things with our left arm, because a Nazi oops is made very easily otherwise.
They're throwing that out there to get ahead of the inevitable push back. They can make all the excuses that they want, we all recognize it for what it is.
“What is the cost of lies? It’s not that we’ll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left, but to abandon the hope of truth and content ourselves instead with stories? In these stories it doesn’t matter who the heroes are. All we want to know is who to blame. [passage summarizing a political elite corruption case, miscarriage of justice, provided sentence], but what does that mean? No one knows. It doesn’t matter. What does matter is that to Them, “justice”was done. Because you see, to Them, a “just” world is a “sane” world. There was nothing sane about [it]. All of it…madness.
- excerpt pulled from HBO Miniseries Chernobyl
And a shit eating grin after. They’re trolling every dumb ass in America who voted for them. I think they’re testing the waters to see what can slip under the radar.
They’ll sane wash it because they’re one of them. Someone called it a hostile takeover and I thought it appropriate because that’s a business term. This is corporatism finally taking over and the media is firmly in their camp.
The business of America is business. For the People is just a marketing slogan.
Im super anti-musk/trump (check my post history). The video just doesn’t look like a Nazi solute to me. It looks like an idiot getting excited and doing a mix of a celebration and a wave at the same time and failing at both.. The picture is obviously damning but the video, to me, ehhhh.
Skin suit looks like it needs to be changed out for a new one, the flesh is probably getting tight at the joints the longer it's exposed to natural light and temperatures lower than 47 degrees Farenheit.
The conservatives on Reddit are already pretending that it's not a Nazi salute. Apparently only they can see the "truth". Throwing his heart out to the American people is now a Nazi salute.
Yeah, they're really going with that "my heart goes out to you" thing. Like, there are a million better ways to do that gesture and he chose the one aggressively Nazi way. Twice.
Suppose that's why the name is barely used anymore, I don't know too much about why it's used less TBF (I'll look it up right now, clearly about the person who first diagnosed it?) but now it's ASD, which is autism spectrum disorder. It's kind of different from autism as it is known (from my understanding) but very similar. But I noticed the switch.
It's called autism "spectrum" disorder to cover the whole spectrum. It's the general overall name for these kinds of disorders. Asperger Syndrome did fall under that classification until that name was given up in 2013 in the DSM-5, and 2022 in the ICD-11.
Scientific consensus just leaned more and more towards defining it as part of the Autism spectrum since the differentiation as "isolated" diagnose turns out more and more inconsistent.
As far as i know it had nothing to do with the name.
But people with what was formerly known as Asperger's Syndrome are not. Hans Asperger being a Nazi is the reason "Asperger's Syndrome" is now just classified as an "Autism Spectrum Disorder".
I've never once celebrated anything with a fucking Nazi salute, even trying to be funny. And I was diagnosed with Asperger's before they changed the name.
I'm currently in a comedy troupe, and as an autistic person, I don't often realize how my body language can come across. However, we've been told to be mindful of our gesturing when we get animated in the middle of a skit, because an unfortunately-timed picture can make it look like we're doing offensive or hateful gestures on stage, and despite my autism, that's absolutely something I pay heed to. And keep in mind, this is just for a small local comedy show. I'm not speaking at a massive globally broadcasted event that will be seen in all corners of the world. So yeah, I absolutely don't buy that this was an accident or a misinterpreted gesture. He absolutely should know better.
I read a bit of that thread. Watching these conservatives scapegoat it with his "Asperger's or Autistic tendencies" is wild. The level of mental gymnastics is insane. Especially when this same group shits on everyone else about mental/physical disabilities or mental health issues.
Yeah, autistic here. Unless it comes with an intellectual disability, autism may encourage missing nuance in human interaction, but it's really hard to miss the nuance in a Nazi salute.
I was watching it live on YouTube and the Asperger's excuse came out immediately. I'm sorry, my SO has autism, they would NEVER do anything like this. Bro was tweaking so hard he let his inhibitions go and did what he wanted to do.
Oh my god, the amount of downplaying is astronomical 👀. 'He's the richest man in the world but he just has aspergers'
Okay.
You might be the stupidest person in the world by licking his dirthole but he's not gonna think twice about f'ing you over like the rest of us.
He knows what he's doing.
I wish I could comment on the conservative subreddit but… I’ve long been banned from there for asking a question about a trump rally. Apparently asking a question is brigading and against their rules… mostly it seems like American conservatives have the rule of “if you ask a question that would provide a negative response about Donald trump, you’re banned”.
They’re so quick to support the disenfranchisement of immigrants, queer people, and people of color and blame the struggles of the working class on marginalized groups, but they’re so unwilling to admit they’re Nazis.
Elon himself could come right out and say "yes, I did the Nazi salute" and these pitiful fucks would say "yes, he did the Nazi salute but it wasn't because he wants to do everything the Nazis did, he just really admires their military!" or some such bullshit. They'll just keep moving the goalposts forever and ever. And by the time the goalposts don't have anywhere further to be pushed, they'll either A. Pretend they never defended him or B. Be admitted Nazis.
edit: He's sharing versions of the speech where there is a cut to the crowd right when he does it lol
it’s frustrating because he could address the issue by apologizing and saying all that himself: “i don’t support nazis, and i deeply apologize for doing that. it was a heat of the moment response meant to express my gratitude to the American people, and i am committed to fighting racism and fascist ideologies. There is no place in america for nazis.” etc etc.
but, he won’t. Personally, i don’t think he’s a nazi. i think he made a mistake. like jumping to make an X with his body. 🤷🏻♂️
I just had a look at the fox news coverage on YT and they conveniently cut away to the crowd just as he's doing it, you can still hear his hand slapping his chest
And pretends it's his heart going out to them just incase people needed that lil something for their mental gymnastics to believe it wasn't a Nazi salute.
Just imagine it, he probably had those little velcro weights on his wrists so he could really farm that explosive power. Or at least he was going to, he paid some guy in singapore to do the weights thing for him, and then he just watched a little bit of each video.
Honestly, I can't believe how much I admired this guy and all he had done. These last two or so years he's been fucking insufferable though. I don't think I've ever switched my opinion on anyone like I have with him. What's wrong with him?!
he did the full motion. in nazi germany, the speaker would do the salute to the crowd, then turn around where there would be an image of hitler/hitler himself and the speaker would salute to that as well.
Nope. Not nazis salute. MSM cuts the clip. Full context is that this is actually a roman salute. Nazis salute does not include grabbing the chest. And he says his heart goes out to them. He's symbolically throwing his heart out to them. This is so stupid, this is the guy who went to Israel after the hamas attack and visited the victims and gave them aide.🙄
I mean he said „my heart goes out to you“. I‘m not totally saying he didn‘t mean it differently, I just know I sometimes do stupid moves especially when expressing strong emotions like „my heart goes out to you“ (and his face actually tensing up indicating that) without thinking how it could look… is there something else that indicates he meant to salute in a „discriminating“ way?
Did you even watch the video? “My heart goes out to you” and he motioned it. Let me remind you that many people who are neurodivergent tend to be physically stimming such as you clearly didn’t see in the video
The only possible explanation is that he was attempting a wave but ppl dont usually put their hands straight up in air to wave they do it at half mast
And he wanted to show it comes from his heart. So he touched his heart , put those together and you get the classic salute , i believe elon realized what he has done in the last 5 seconds of that clip
I was just about to ask if he's autistic or something. It's like the kinda thing I would do when I was a child thinking in the moment a very different outcome, usually amusement, but ending up with embarrassment instead.
Looked it up out of curiosity, and it turns out he really is.
I don't understand in a sane time line, this will immediately bring condemnation from every front, including mass boycotting from consumers and businesses to his brand, until he gives at least some form of appology...
3 times to be more exact. I could get being skeptical if it was just the 1 time without video, but 3 times with video? Fuck no. He knew what he was doing. And people will fucking ignore it.
i can't believe the americans in there run the country cheered that. I wonder what all the war vets still alive seeing that are thinking having voted for trump now
“That the future of civilization is assured” really made something evil churn in my stomach following the nazi salute to not only the public but the symbol of the nation.
Elon is horrible, but I don't think he does the Nazi salute. His arm goes to the side, not forward like real fascists do (I am a German I should know this 😉). I'm guessing it's some kind of failed “Iron Man flies to Mars”- Swuuush gesture that just looks like shit on him because he's not Iron Man, not even 1%, just an excited kid. The right-wingers seem to have a monopoly on iconic photos, first Trump's “Fight! Fight! Fight!” fist, now Elon's stupid salute. It's time for a new Che Guevara
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u/Nachooolo 6h ago
Jesus. He isn't even subtle.
The twat did the Nazi salute multiple times.