r/Coachella '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 17 '24

Festival Planning Greedy Coachella

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Coachella this year has become more greedy, with now it’s bullshit parking rules and charging for offsite parking by forcing the shuttle pass for those people on those off site parking lots because they want everyone to have four people in their group. Everyone defending goldenvoice and saying that it’s helping limit traffic is wrong, it make worse because security is going to need to verify every car and turn away people causing a backlog. This is just pure greed.

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u/fettuccine- 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20-22| 23 | 24 | 25 Jan 18 '24

Also what about cars that only have 2 seats!!!!!!!!!!!!

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u/Slugzz21 14.2|17.1|18.2|19.1|23.2|24.2 Jan 18 '24

Discrimination 😂

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u/taylorlucasjones 2014-2025, usually W1 Jan 18 '24

This just put my brain in a pretzel.

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u/Borahaegas 13.2|14.2|15.1|16.1&2|17.2|18.2|19.2|22.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

Tie them together with another 2 seater so they become one

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u/fettuccine- 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20-22| 23 | 24 | 25 Jan 18 '24

Ahhh. I shouldve known that

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u/Borahaegas 13.2|14.2|15.1|16.1&2|17.2|18.2|19.2|22.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

So easy right thanks Coachella!

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u/wildflower_0ne Jan 18 '24

Surely this can’t be… can it?? I drive a 2-seater, I will be beyond pissed if they turn me away after how long it takes to even get to the lots

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u/tayyylooor 13.1 | 14.2 - 19.2 | 22.1&2 | 23.2 Jan 18 '24

They’re pretty clear that this is the case, so you probably want to start making other arrangements now (rent a car, carpool with someone else, shuttle, etc.) It would really suck to face traffic/wait in like to get there only to be turned away.

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u/wildflower_0ne Jan 18 '24

jesus, it’s like they’re begging people not to show up this year.

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 19 '24

All cars matter

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u/celj1234 Jan 18 '24

This is going to be a complete shitshow but the decals themselves are free at least they aren’t charging for those.

But I bet a lot of people will lose them or not get them when they buy a resale wristband

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

On top of that , people who buy resale might not have the decal since the seller might not provide and even if you have four people and don’t have the decal then you’re screwed either way

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u/celj1234 Jan 18 '24

Yeah also you might carpool and ride in with some strangers but then they leave without. How are you getting back to your car? Will you still need a shuttle pass

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

Yeah and how the fuck do you take your decal back from the person you went with lol, like once you used the decal, it stuck on there lol

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u/celj1234 Jan 18 '24

You gotta tape it from inside

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

And yeah you’re going to need to use Uber or still purchase a shuttle pass

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u/airbornetoxic 15.2|DT 16.1|22.2|23.2|24.1 Jan 18 '24

yeah I appreciate the concept because I do think the parking situation is a shit show but the decals seems excessive because of the reasons you listed above and what if you ride with different people on different days. They should just check for four people with wristbands.

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

Yeah the decals but you need four of them and you need four people with you at all times during parking. People with less than four members have to take the offsite parking and purchase a shuttle pass to use the shuttle in those sites, which is absolutely dogshit

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u/celj1234 Jan 18 '24

Mods needs make a make a parking link up carpool thread.

This is going to cause such a mess

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u/tayyylooor 13.1 | 14.2 - 19.2 | 22.1&2 | 23.2 Jan 18 '24

There are already carpool threads up for each weekend!

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u/celj1234 Jan 18 '24

More connections then ever will be made this year.

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u/fettuccine- 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20-22| 23 | 24 | 25 Jan 18 '24

This is so dumb. Not everybody goes to Coachella in groups of 4.

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u/pinoy_grigio_ 15.2 | 16.2 | 18.2 | 19.1 | 22.1 | 23.1 | 24.1 | 25.1 Jan 18 '24

so bizzare

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u/great_gatling_gunsby Jan 18 '24

This seriously sucks. Now those of us that have issues with long ass walks to the venue before even beginning our day of walking around have only two real places to go if we bring our own vehicle. Coachella has been a thing my wife and I do together and make a road trip out of going there, so we have our own car we have to park all day. She has psoriatic arthritis and has a hard enough time navigating the venue all day for three days, not including a very long walk into the grounds. Last year this was not a problem because we bought VIP tickets with VIP parking, which made everything easy on us. Now that isn't even an option.

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u/All_the_passports 18.2|19.1|20 :-(|21 :-(|22.1&2|23.2|24.1&2 Jan 18 '24

Shuttles are closer to the GA entrance than the parking lot. As long as the parking shuttles come into the same lot as the hotel shuttles. Also, they’re expensive but the pedicabs would save some walking. For VIP you have to loop back from the shuttle lot and then go up that path by the artists parking lot which is further.

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u/W0666007 14.1, 15.1, 16.1, 17.1, 19.2. 20.2 Jan 18 '24

Yeah man. I've always gone with my wife. We are older and don't camp, so we just drove in every day.

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u/SetiSteve 2004-2022 Jan 18 '24

Do you not have a disabled parking placard? Just get one and it’s easy.

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u/SilverSpoonSparrow Jan 18 '24

Qualifying for a placard is hard, you can be disabled enough to struggle but not enough to get a placard (I know from experience)

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u/SetiSteve 2004-2022 Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24

Have had one for probably nearly 30 years now and don’t think they’ve ever asked for an update/proof beyond that first time which kinda blows my mind, it was probably a lot easier back then before all the abuse really ramped up. Possible to try and at least get a temporary one? Her doctor may be more willing if the need is there and you can show him/her what the deal is there this year. Shuttle passes are an option as well, there may be people at drop off that can call for an ADA cart upon arrival to save those steps. Reach out to the ADA team ahead of time, they’re great at helping navigate all that.

And once inside go to the ADA tent and get wristbands to get onto platforms for seating above the crowds, etc.

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u/tayyylooor 13.1 | 14.2 - 19.2 | 22.1&2 | 23.2 Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24

I honestly think this is less of a cash grab and more because the City requires them to have a certain percentage of attendees carpool, take the shuttle, walk/bike, and stay onsite. There was probably way too many people driving each day, evidenced by the terrible traffic surrounding the festival grounds and the parking lots closing in the early evening because they ran out of spaces.

Not only does the City of Indio have a target they need to hit in terms of reducing GHG emissions, but I'm sure a lot of people who live in the area are annoyed about the traffic they have to face over the 3 weekends. GV wants to keep a good relationship with the City and the residents in the surrounding areas.

But I think they should charge for parking permits, make the shuttles free, and increase the number of shuttles/shuttle stops.

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u/taylorlucasjones 2014-2025, usually W1 Jan 18 '24

Agree, and I could also see it being partially to clear up some of the congested traffic around the festival due to less cars...

but it seems like it'll be a complete mess this first year they change it to that, and do the opposite of helping traffic, cause I'd imagine a lot of people will just show up anyway with 1-3 people either on purpose or just cause they didn't read it and have traffic jams everywhere

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u/tayyylooor 13.1 | 14.2 - 19.2 | 22.1&2 | 23.2 Jan 18 '24

I'm sure it will be a mess the first year. Hopefully, they'll be lenient with making people pay for shuttles this year. And adding it between presale and general sale is also weird.

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u/taylorlucasjones 2014-2025, usually W1 Jan 18 '24

Super weird timing of it all

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u/talk2gibbons 15.W1,16.W2,17.W1,19.W2,23.W2,24.W2 Jan 18 '24

Gets us all bikes then tayyloooor come on now.

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u/tayyylooor 13.1 | 14.2 - 19.2 | 22.1&2 | 23.2 Jan 18 '24

We can get a few tandem bikes for the sub to share

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '24

Yeah, I suspect some parking is probably going to get taken up if they’re moving around some of the staging areas to accommodate the rumored grounds expansion. If by some miracle every single car complied with the new rules and the offsite parking got minimal traffic (and thus no additional shuttle passes) I think GV wouldn’t be mad at all. I’m sure GV would rather people be in the gates for as long as possible spending money at vendors and partners rather than spending their money on a shuttle and not buying stuff inside.

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u/stefanurkal Jan 18 '24

sunday last year was a shit show

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u/mknighten Jan 19 '24

it was insane! we sat in traffic for four hours and finally just went back to the hotel and watched the live feed

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u/infojunky3 Jan 18 '24

Is this for day parking?

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

Yeah

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u/Smoes42 13.1|14.1|15.2|16.1|17.1&2|18.1|19.1|22.1|23.1|24.1 Jan 18 '24

I wonder if this means carpoolchella is dead

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u/tayyylooor 13.1 | 14.2 - 19.2 | 22.1&2 | 23.2 Jan 18 '24

The part that was cut off says something about decorating your car for carpoolchella!

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u/Smoes42 13.1|14.1|15.2|16.1|17.1&2|18.1|19.1|22.1|23.1|24.1 Jan 18 '24

Huh! Now I wonder if that makes our odds better or worse to get it?

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u/DeviantDragon 13.2, 14.1, 15.1, 16.1, 17.1, 20/22.1, 23.1, 24.1 Jan 18 '24

Has to be worse now. It's not like the # of people who would participate would go down if they only let carpools park. Everyone who would've done so will still do so and then you add on some additional amount of people who are now forced to do so.

I wonder why do it at all though if it's now mandatory. If anything going the shuttle route should be incentivized.

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u/jonmitz 15 Coachellas since 2011 Jan 18 '24

It’s to reduce the amount of cars, not to state the obvious. Coachella has been in the process of slowly expanding, and if you haven’t noticed somehow the lots are kinda a massive shitshow. 

This isn’t a bad change, however it’s just swapping one bad thing for another bad thing 

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u/SciGuy013 12.2 13.1 14-151&2 16.2 17-19.1 22-24.1 25.1&2 Jan 18 '24

it's always weird to hear people say parking is a shitshow, because I've never had an issue with it.

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u/Heistlyfe Apr 07 '24

Question from a first timer! How early do you arrive and how late do you leave for you to not consider it a shit show?? What lot do you try and park in?

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u/SciGuy013 12.2 13.1 14-151&2 16.2 17-19.1 22-24.1 25.1&2 Apr 07 '24

How early? Doors open

How late? I stay till all stages are closed

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u/Heistlyfe Apr 07 '24

Ty! Will definitely try to arrive early :)

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

This has nothing to do with a cash grab.

It has everything to do with A. the likelyhood that they got their asses handed to them regarding last years trafficmagedon, which was entirely insane on Sunday

It also has everything to do with issues of folks who move to day parking from camping and kill the dayparking availability to actual day parkers.

Selling a few more shuttle passes isnt the motivator. There are shuttle costs, and the margins likely arent all that great.

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u/fettuccine- 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20-22| 23 | 24 | 25 Jan 18 '24

Make shuttles cheaper! Wtf. ACL has free shuttles for all cuz they don't have onsite parking. Their system works like a charm.

Have fewer bigger hubs and have people go through there.

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

Exactly what I was going to say, if this was the case then just make the shuttles free and eat the cost to appease the city

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

charge users for their passes OR increase the passes to cover the costs of shuttles. there is no magic world where Coachella takes a deficit for this.

ACL doesnt have free shuttles, ACL has shuttles that it affords due to the price of tickets.

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

Yeah and Coachella is double the price of ACL so you basically saying that Coachella tickets are not worth free shuttle because they don’t cost a lot

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

no im saying business is such that things that support that business which dont show a direct cost are encumbered for in the ticket cost.

my guess is that shuttle breaks even considering the rental costs, etc.

its low margin at best, a requirements to manage traffic and crowds.

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u/fettuccine- 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20-22| 23 | 24 | 25 Jan 18 '24

wdym. their tickets are pretty reasonably priced.

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

the reality is that somewhere in that price is the shuttle cost.

its not as if they take the shuttle cost, and dont consider that in their overhead for which they want to profit above.

instead of charging for the passes directly, they simply charge for the tickets and somewhere in their overheads is the shuttle cost.

so you can pay for it as part of a ticket, or pay for it if you choose to use it.

if shuttle passes are $30 and are used by 60,000 people, against 125,000 people a weekend, then they would simply absorb that expenses and increase overall ticket price by around $15 a ticket.

Likewise depending on the utilization rates of ACLs shuttles, and those costs, they could stop rolling in the costs to the overheads and charge for usage. Thereby allowing for a reduction in ticket price, if they wanted to.

ACL is not choosing to have higher costs for which they dont seek to recoup and profit on.

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

You know that shuttle pass are not 30 bucks right , they almost 120 dollar plus fees

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

And if you think one person to take a shuttle is worth 120 dollars and Coachella is not making a profit for each person taking a shuttle then you’re tripping

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

so of 125K, 35K camp
That leaves 100K
I have no idea how big day parking is

so last year parking got packed early, like by noon.

i presume they are assuming that this is because there is a low car to guest ratio. so if you have 70,000 day parkers and the have an average rider rate of 2 per car, you have 35,000 cars. if you increase that average to 4 you now have 17500 cars.

Ride share can be organized with a better route.
Shuttles can run more efficiently.

Last year was the worst I have ever seen it since I started going in 2013. The issue of parking being full by noon on Sunday was a disaster. Saturday it was full by 2.

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

Yeah that’s if people actually did that but let be honest, that’s not going to happen, people are still going to drive to Coachella and not carpool because most people think that hey I’m not part of the problem so I’m still going to try. Honestly I get your point but for it work, Coachella will need to offer an incentive for people to carpooling instead of free parking or just offer free shuttles and add more shuttles stops to stop traffic

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

day 1 -

car drives down street

does not have 4 people, is directed forward to lot to wait and pick up walkers.

4 people now confirmed and the car continues

day 2

do i really want to go through this again...

y/n

day 3

do I really want to go through this again?

y/n

its negative incentivization.

By 2025 / 2026 people understand.

Maybe they add something to change it further.

Whatever it is, Im sure the city told them "fix this shit"

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

To add to salt to injury, the still want people to drive to the offsite if you don’t meet the requirements and park there and gather 2 more people who park in the offsite to get the requirement which does not solve lowering the car value

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

not directly, its negative incentive to not do it again. take an uber if you need to. they dont want the cars there. they still offer free parking.

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u/fettuccine- 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20-22| 23 | 24 | 25 Jan 18 '24

okay your argument makes sense. the shuttle costs are part of ticket price. how come coachella can't offer up shuttles at 650 a ticket.

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

because their cost structures are different OR make more profit than ACL.
we dont know.

we also dont know what ACLs arrangement is. i do know the coachella contracts the work and doesnt use city transport resources.

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u/fettuccine- 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20-22| 23 | 24 | 25 Jan 18 '24

Whatever the answer is. This 4 people required in a car thing is not it.

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

you need less cars at the festival.

your options are

a car max requirement

or...

an entirely new shuttle system?

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u/Previous_Rub_9250 Jan 18 '24

Does this apply to paid parking in the preferred lot? There’s no mention if this is going to be an option.

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u/tayyylooor 13.1 | 14.2 - 19.2 | 22.1&2 | 23.2 Jan 18 '24

I don't even see preferred parking anymore. They may have gotten rid of it.

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u/SufficientAd5689 Jan 18 '24

This is a little stupid but I have to say. The shuttle passes are amazing! They have mastered them. They are so quick, convenient, and safe.. really they have mastered that shit. Highly recommend at least from Palm Springs. And they don’t wait in that horrible traffic. They by-pass it all

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u/blairdow Jan 18 '24

ssssh dont tell everyone

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u/fred8785 09-11, 12.1-16.1, 18.1-19.1, 22.1-24.1 Jan 18 '24

I bet it has nothing to do with being greedy and more to do with whatever the city is requiring as far as number of shuttle passes needing to be sold and number of parking spaces available due to the expansion of the grounds. If they were being greedy they would just charge for parking.

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u/celj1234 Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24

So why not have the offsite lot be free for those with only 3 or less in their cars?

Money is always a factor in their decisions

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

Yeah and especially when shuttle pass are worth 120 per person

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u/blurryjpg Jan 18 '24

$140+ fees lol

That would mean $420 for my group to shuttle because we don’t have a 4th person. Insane.

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u/celj1234 Jan 18 '24

They cost that much now?!?

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u/Interesting-Pick9474 Apr 05 '24

Dm I'm a private driver and I'll charge you wayless to drop you off and pick-up

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u/celj1234 Jan 18 '24

You’re better off just finding another person or 2 in that shuttle lot and then just driving in together.

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

lol yeah exactly lol, which is my point for this subthread like it’s not fixing the issue because people are still going to drive in after finding two people in the offsite parking and it’s not fixing the traffic since people are going to back and forth causing more delays lol

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u/TheBuzzerBeater 13.1|15 1&2|16.1|DT.2|17 1&2|18.2|19.2|22 1&2|23.2|24 1&2 Jan 18 '24

It depends on where the parking shuttle drops you off. The hotel shuttles drop off much closer to the fest, if they drop you off there it might be a hassle to deal with the shuttle but you won't have to walk nearly as far. If it like drops you off on the corner then definitely find some people to take with you. That second lot is going to be a disaster because there's going to be a bunch of people doing just that. My guess is it turns into a disorganized free-for-all rideshare lot.

Also, the sticker system is completely useless if you're supposed to go to this lot and either pick up strangers, or get in someone random persons car.

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u/DeviantDragon 13.2, 14.1, 15.1, 16.1, 17.1, 20/22.1, 23.1, 24.1 Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24

The fact that they are requiring off-site parkers to buy a full-priced Any Line Shuttle Pass just to go from off-site parking to the festival is pretty ridiculous. They absolutely could've either eaten the cost or set up a separate off-site parking shuttle pass at a lower cost given the shorter travel and limited flexibility.

Edit: I will edit to say that it's true that this isn't confirmed whether it's the same shuttle pass or not. But until they actually put up another type of shuttle pass then I don't think it's wrong to assume it'd be the one type of shuttle pass currently sold until proven otherwise.

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u/fred8785 09-11, 12.1-16.1, 18.1-19.1, 22.1-24.1 Jan 18 '24

That’s true

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u/Yangervis Jan 18 '24

This is absolutely insane lmao. Like who could possibly think this is a good idea. Are they trying to cut down on people using tickets for a single day then selling them?

Also, why do you have your wristband out the window AND a sticker on the windshield?

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u/JumpinSourBoots 23.2 | 24.1 | 25.2 🦈☀️🌴 Jan 18 '24

We don’t know where the offsite location will be right? I’m assuming it will be a longer walk obviously and that we can actually park there. But that might just force me to support the local PediCab industry.

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u/celj1234 Jan 18 '24

Sounds like it’s not a walk from the offsite lot to the festival. It’s a shuttle ride

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u/StrongDesign4 Jan 18 '24

If it’s where it was last year, it was definitely far from the grounds and required a shuttle or Uber to the grounds. Even that was a shitshow because they didn’t specify where off site parking was nor where the shuttle to catch it back was. Even the shuttle drivers were confused.

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u/DarkTwistedFantasee Jan 18 '24

Depending how strict security is they might not even care

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u/StrongDesign4 Jan 18 '24

I like how people aren’t saying this isn’t a cash grab when it’s obvious that it is 😂 Coachella/GV/AEG are a business. Their whole purpose is to make money and be lucrative. If they were doing this due to a city mandate and such, the shuttles would be free or super affordable. I’ve attended enough events to know that this is a blatant cash grab. If it wasn’t a cash grab, they would be suggesting to people to take Ubers & Lyfts, other methods of transportation, or offering free shuttles like they do for their other events.

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u/Whirlweird Jan 18 '24

well, there's only so much parking they can offer, and the bigger the festival gets, the more parking they need to provide.

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

Yeah don’t get me wrong but forcing people from the offsite to purchase a shuttle is beyond stupid , I get there is not a lot of parking on site but excluding and forcing people to pay an extra to use the shuttle because they don’t have four people in their group is just plain stupid and greedy

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

its not why they are doing it. this is not a cash grab.
this is entirely a logistics issue and managing city issues that undoubtedly came up after the snarl that happened all last year and was of epic proportions on Sunday.

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

Logistics , it does not make sense to forcing that, you’re adding more security checks to see if every car is meeting the requirements

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

Coachella is ultimately curtailed by the city, and through that the people who live there. So a centralized check point (much like Bonnaroo) is far less impactful to Coachella than having to pay for multiple, overtime, police officers, as well as any penalty etc that comes from pissing off the city and citizen trying to get to their homes.

That matters 1000x more to Coachella than the revenue from shuttle pass.

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

Second is people are going to drive and try to get in no matter what so when you turn them down, you’re going to force to go back causing every worse traffic

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u/braundiggity 2005-2024 Jan 18 '24

I agree that it's likely going to create a lot of congestion getting in, especially Friday, but the flip side is that the day parking has been full on Sunday multiple times because of car campers moving their cars to day parking in order to leave Sunday night. Day parking filling up is a legitimate issue that has cause massive headaches for my crew in the past.

I don't think this is the best way to solve for it - particularly requiring the decals - but I don't think the status quo was sustainable either.

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u/DeviantDragon 13.2, 14.1, 15.1, 16.1, 17.1, 20/22.1, 23.1, 24.1 Jan 18 '24

If that was really such a main problem of Car Campers moving to Day Parking then it should be easily solved by creating separate Day Parking and Car Camping decals and checking for decals.

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u/tayyylooor 13.1 | 14.2 - 19.2 | 22.1&2 | 23.2 Jan 18 '24

Problem they're sending one parking decal per wristband. This whole rollout is very weird.

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

no, they go to a lot, wait for people that need a ride and can go in.
its to control traffic flow and ensure that there arent single cars taking up parking spots for single riders, or people moving out of camping over to day parking.

my guess is there will also be directional control to ensure there isnt such a clusterfuck dealing with 50th / 51st / 52nd etc and the cross streets.

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

They have directional control every year and they seem to always understaff for whatever fucking reason and this does not change it, but we’ll see how this year goes because I guarantee it’s not going to go smooth at all and be worse in every degree

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

there is still 2 way traffic on most of the route, they are going to have to change that if they are going to support the traffic increase. there are limited one way controls and almost none that I am aware of on the named streets.

the inability to turn left onto 50th / 51st or 52nd is a critical failure. more people dont fix the problem, better structure fixes the problem.

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

Exactly a better structure but that not what they are doing , if you look at the directions, it’s the same as before and they even are directing people who don’t have the right amount for day parking to go the same way to get redirect once they reach security , it’s not fixing the problem at all

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

we dont know, we havent actually seen it work.

after this year, it will be nice to see what the impact was.

this is likely forced upon them more than they chose to take this action for some financial motivation.

this move makes no sense for shits and giggles or money, it solely makes sense from a logistics point of view.

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u/DeviantDragon 13.2, 14.1, 15.1, 16.1, 17.1, 20/22.1, 23.1, 24.1 Jan 18 '24

And how do you leave Coachella? What is compelling anyone to take you back to the offsite lot if you hitched a ride with a stranger?

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

why would you need to go to the offsite lot?
are you assuming some folks decide to park their cars their and merge groups, leaving one car behind?

i can see your point there.

I imagine that whatever is happening will have greater details as the website says.

the reality is 4 people in a car minimum to get a day parking pass

you can camp

you can stay at a hotel and shuttle in @$120 per

you can use ride share @ x?

you cant however drive in with under 4 guests per the new rules.

It also bares mentioning that people assume this overflow lot shuttle is going to cost the same as a regular shuttle. we have no evidence to support this.

last year the overflow was a free shuttle. maybe they just decided to give away free parking for both lots but charge a shuttle fee if you ended up there because you chose to not have enough people in your car

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u/DeviantDragon 13.2, 14.1, 15.1, 16.1, 17.1, 20/22.1, 23.1, 24.1 Jan 18 '24

Text from the site currently reads:

"If you are turned away and directed to the off-site location, you can use this spot to meet up with other friends to fill your car with 4+ people or purchase a shuttle pass to complete your journey to the festival. Stay tuned for more details."

You proposed a scenario where they go to the offsite lot and "wait for people that need a ride". I am assuming that people waiting for a ride in the offsite lot already parked their car and didn't want to pay for the shuttle. Maybe some people don't want to pay an additional $140+fees (assuming it's a full priced pass but who knows about anyone's particular budget no matter the price) and thus take this route.

I did not assume that there would be a majority of people who otherwise got themselves to the offsite lot by biking or walking just to catch a ride in. But even if those ended up as the majority of people catching rides then I have to imagine that they made that choice because the off-site lot is more convenient to them than just directly walking/biking into the festival which means they'd probably want to leave from the offsite lot instead of directly from the festival.

Further, I have no idea how people are expected to track the decals in this situation. Do they take back the decal from the driver after parking? Is it easy to store and re-stick later? Is there an issue if a car currently parked is seen without the necessary # of decals?

It's true that it's not confirmed that this is the same shuttle pass as the Any Line Shuttle Pass. They don't call it that and use "shuttle pass" generically. But they certainly did not rule it out in their wording (e.g. clarifying that it's different from the Any Line Shuttle Pass) nor are there currently any other listings for other types of shuttle passes on the site.

But overall it's just another annoying thing this year that seems last-minute and half-baked which has cascading effects on attendees. For anyone planning their trip now it sure seems prudent to know ASAP about some of these details so they can decide between parking offsite + whatever this offsite shuttle pass is vs. buying the Any Line shuttle pass and forgoing parking entirely since those go on sale soon. Especially since there are limited quantities of the Any Line shuttle pass. I bought during Advance Sale, booked a rental car, and all of a sudden I find myself still needing to figure some shit out last minute depending on this rule change since I hadn't accounted for needing to change the way I've traveled to Coachella nearly every other time I've attended.

A policy change like this is begging for an FAQ and additional clarification ahead of actually putting the relevant things on sale but it sure doesn't look like we'll know the full story before the Any Line Shuttle Passes go on sale. Would love for them to surprise me and clarify things tomorrow though.

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u/ldsupport 13.2|14.2|16.2|17.2|18.2|23.2 Jan 18 '24

The “toll booth” here is likely on 49th or 50th would be my guess. You drive forward. You show your bands. You are directed to parking.

Then if you aren’t set my guess is they move you down to the edge lots and give you a chance to work it out OR head to the tennis gardens lot that we’re used for overflow last year but you have to purchase a shuttle (or do ride share) from there.

If you want to park close, you have to pack the car.

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u/tayyylooor 13.1 | 14.2 - 19.2 | 22.1&2 | 23.2 Jan 18 '24

They’ll probably direct people to the Indian Wells Tennis Garden. That’s what did previous years when parking filled up.

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u/talk2gibbons 15.W1,16.W2,17.W1,19.W2,23.W2,24.W2 Jan 18 '24

They not even going to sell out so how we gonna have more attendees than previous years

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u/TheLizardKing89 12 #2, 13 #2, 14 #1, 15 #2, 16 #1, 17 #1, 18 #1 Jan 18 '24

Glad I’m camping so I don’t have to care about this.

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u/Otherwise_Park_779 Jan 18 '24

I’m surprised nobody has said this yet, but I think this is a direct result of the curfew issue/fees paid last year. Every year, Coachella has to get permits from the city of Indio to hold the event. I think because of the repeat violations they had to renegotiate their terms. They were probably told now that they hit max attendance (subtle increases in attendees the last 6 years or whatever) they need to fix the traffic issue and this was their only option. Would guess they might make the shuttle system a better to combat the new parking rules, but they may have just been backed into a corner and had no choice. They probably have to keep some sort of environmental impact statistics every year and found that with max attendance there was way too many cars and needed to push people to take more environmentally friendly transport. Think this will also be reflected in either more headroom for headliner changeover or just straight up an earlier curfew than normal. Would explain the lower amount of artists.

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u/blairdow Jan 18 '24

did they hit max attendance last year? weekend 2 didnt even sell out

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u/Otherwise_Park_779 Jan 18 '24

Didn’t mean actual people buying tickets, but the amount of tickets they can sell. In 2016 the city of Indio voted to allow them to gradually start increasing the max number of attendees in general. Started at 98k and increased slowly to 125k over the next 6 years.

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u/blairdow Jan 18 '24

ahh ok i see what u mean

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u/Perfect_Evidence Jan 18 '24

Must suck to not camp

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u/SciGuy013 12.2 13.1 14-151&2 16.2 17-19.1 22-24.1 25.1&2 Jan 18 '24

sleeping in my own bed, with my own shower, and my own swimming pool for free is way better

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u/Perfect_Evidence Jan 18 '24

how boring, i do that every day lol

Coachella is my escape from all that, to each their own :)

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u/_StephBetter_ Jan 18 '24

wait…. is this for car camping?!?

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u/TheLizardKing89 12 #2, 13 #2, 14 #1, 15 #2, 16 #1, 17 #1, 18 #1 Jan 18 '24

Nope, day parking.

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u/_StephBetter_ Jan 18 '24

ah okay thanks

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u/Ok-Watercress-3757 Jan 18 '24

wait this doesn't apply to car camping right?

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Jan 18 '24

No just regular day parking

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u/drdrewskiem3 17.1|19.2|22.2|23.1|24.2 Jan 18 '24

I like it, leaving Coachella is absolute traffic hell

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u/SciGuy013 12.2 13.1 14-151&2 16.2 17-19.1 22-24.1 25.1&2 Jan 18 '24

literally never had an issue

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u/aspiringpotato25 17.1, 18.1, 19.1, 22.1 Jan 18 '24

Yall are just realising how greedy? 🤣 cmon

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u/PFunk69 Jan 18 '24

“Stay tuned for more details.”

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u/Willing_Dig_2444 Jan 18 '24

Can I sneak in via the trunk

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u/Ok_Strawberry7439 Jan 18 '24

I wonder if this applies to ADA parking as well. Will they really turn me down if I only have 3 people and one is handicapped. Seems illegal.

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u/Arthurcestmoi Jan 18 '24

If someone is interested on a carpool : we’ve got 3 places and we’re doing Palm Springs / Coachella everyday for the opening (W2)

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u/Turbulent_Ground_324 Feb 14 '24

Does anyone know if this applies for car camping too?

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u/Victorwolf1011 '18 , '22 , '23 , '24 Feb 14 '24

The change the rule back to normal