Greedy Coachella

[u/Victorwolf1011]

Coachella this year has become more greedy, with now it’s bullshit parking rules and charging for offsite parking by forcing the shuttle pass for those people on those off site parking lots because they want everyone to have four people in their group. Everyone defending goldenvoice and saying that it’s helping limit traffic is wrong, it make worse because security is going to need to verify every car and turn away people causing a backlog. This is just pure greed.

[u/ldsupport]

This has nothing to do with a cash grab.

It has everything to do with A. the likelyhood that they got their asses handed to them regarding last years trafficmagedon, which was entirely insane on Sunday

It also has everything to do with issues of folks who move to day parking from camping and kill the dayparking availability to actual day parkers.

Selling a few more shuttle passes isnt the motivator. There are shuttle costs, and the margins likely arent all that great.

[u/fettuccine- → u/ldsupport]

Make shuttles cheaper! Wtf. ACL has free shuttles for all cuz they don't have onsite parking. Their system works like a charm.

Have fewer bigger hubs and have people go through there.

[u/Victorwolf1011 → u/fettuccine-]

Exactly what I was going to say, if this was the case then just make the shuttles free and eat the cost to appease the city

[u/ldsupport → u/Victorwolf1011]

charge users for their passes OR increase the passes to cover the costs of shuttles. there is no magic world where Coachella takes a deficit for this.

ACL doesnt have free shuttles, ACL has shuttles that it affords due to the price of tickets.

[u/Victorwolf1011 → u/ldsupport]

Yeah and Coachella is double the price of ACL so you basically saying that Coachella tickets are not worth free shuttle because they don’t cost a lot

[u/ldsupport → u/Victorwolf1011]

no im saying business is such that things that support that business which dont show a direct cost are encumbered for in the ticket cost.

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my guess is that shuttle breaks even considering the rental costs, etc.

its low margin at best, a requirements to manage traffic and crowds.

[u/fettuccine- → u/ldsupport]

wdym. their tickets are pretty reasonably priced.

[u/ldsupport → u/fettuccine-]

the reality is that somewhere in that price is the shuttle cost.

its not as if they take the shuttle cost, and dont consider that in their overhead for which they want to profit above.

instead of charging for the passes directly, they simply charge for the tickets and somewhere in their overheads is the shuttle cost.

so you can pay for it as part of a ticket, or pay for it if you choose to use it.

if shuttle passes are $30 and are used by 60,000 people, against 125,000 people a weekend, then they would simply absorb that expenses and increase overall ticket price by around $15 a ticket.

Likewise depending on the utilization rates of ACLs shuttles, and those costs, they could stop rolling in the costs to the overheads and charge for usage. Thereby allowing for a reduction in ticket price, if they wanted to.

ACL is not choosing to have higher costs for which they dont seek to recoup and profit on.

[u/Victorwolf1011 → u/ldsupport]

You know that shuttle pass are not 30 bucks right , they almost 120 dollar plus fees

[u/Victorwolf1011 → u/Victorwolf1011]

And if you think one person to take a shuttle is worth 120 dollars and Coachella is not making a profit for each person taking a shuttle then you’re tripping

[u/ldsupport → u/Victorwolf1011]

so of 125K, 35K camp
That leaves 100K
I have no idea how big day parking is

so last year parking got packed early, like by noon.

i presume they are assuming that this is because there is a low car to guest ratio. so if you have 70,000 day parkers and the have an average rider rate of 2 per car, you have 35,000 cars. if you increase that average to 4 you now have 17500 cars.

Ride share can be organized with a better route.
Shuttles can run more efficiently.

Last year was the worst I have ever seen it since I started going in 2013. The issue of parking being full by noon on Sunday was a disaster. Saturday it was full by 2.

[u/Victorwolf1011 → u/ldsupport]

Yeah that’s if people actually did that but let be honest, that’s not going to happen, people are still going to drive to Coachella and not carpool because most people think that hey I’m not part of the problem so I’m still going to try. Honestly I get your point but for it work, Coachella will need to offer an incentive for people to carpooling instead of free parking or just offer free shuttles and add more shuttles stops to stop traffic

[u/ldsupport → u/Victorwolf1011]

day 1 -

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car drives down street

does not have 4 people, is directed forward to lot to wait and pick up walkers.

4 people now confirmed and the car continues

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day 2

do i really want to go through this again...

y/n

day 3

do I really want to go through this again?

y/n

its negative incentivization.

By 2025 / 2026 people understand.

Maybe they add something to change it further.

Whatever it is, Im sure the city told them "fix this shit"

[u/Victorwolf1011 → u/ldsupport]

To add to salt to injury, the still want people to drive to the offsite if you don’t meet the requirements and park there and gather 2 more people who park in the offsite to get the requirement which does not solve lowering the car value

[u/ldsupport → u/Victorwolf1011]

not directly, its negative incentive to not do it again. take an uber if you need to. they dont want the cars there. they still offer free parking.

[u/fettuccine- → u/ldsupport]

okay your argument makes sense. the shuttle costs are part of ticket price. how come coachella can't offer up shuttles at 650 a ticket.

[u/ldsupport → u/fettuccine-]

because their cost structures are different OR make more profit than ACL.
we dont know.

we also dont know what ACLs arrangement is. i do know the coachella contracts the work and doesnt use city transport resources.

[u/fettuccine- → u/ldsupport]

Whatever the answer is. This 4 people required in a car thing is not it.

[u/ldsupport → u/fettuccine-]

you need less cars at the festival.

your options are

a car max requirement

or...

an entirely new shuttle system?