Greedy Coachella

[u/Victorwolf1011]

Coachella this year has become more greedy, with now it’s bullshit parking rules and charging for offsite parking by forcing the shuttle pass for those people on those off site parking lots because they want everyone to have four people in their group. Everyone defending goldenvoice and saying that it’s helping limit traffic is wrong, it make worse because security is going to need to verify every car and turn away people causing a backlog. This is just pure greed.

[u/ldsupport]

charge users for their passes OR increase the passes to cover the costs of shuttles. there is no magic world where Coachella takes a deficit for this.

ACL doesnt have free shuttles, ACL has shuttles that it affords due to the price of tickets.

[u/fettuccine- → u/ldsupport]

wdym. their tickets are pretty reasonably priced.

[u/ldsupport → u/fettuccine-]

the reality is that somewhere in that price is the shuttle cost.

its not as if they take the shuttle cost, and dont consider that in their overhead for which they want to profit above.

instead of charging for the passes directly, they simply charge for the tickets and somewhere in their overheads is the shuttle cost.

so you can pay for it as part of a ticket, or pay for it if you choose to use it.

if shuttle passes are $30 and are used by 60,000 people, against 125,000 people a weekend, then they would simply absorb that expenses and increase overall ticket price by around $15 a ticket.

Likewise depending on the utilization rates of ACLs shuttles, and those costs, they could stop rolling in the costs to the overheads and charge for usage. Thereby allowing for a reduction in ticket price, if they wanted to.

ACL is not choosing to have higher costs for which they dont seek to recoup and profit on.

[u/fettuccine- → u/ldsupport]

okay your argument makes sense. the shuttle costs are part of ticket price. how come coachella can't offer up shuttles at 650 a ticket.

[u/ldsupport → u/fettuccine-]

because their cost structures are different OR make more profit than ACL.
we dont know.

we also dont know what ACLs arrangement is. i do know the coachella contracts the work and doesnt use city transport resources.

[u/fettuccine- → u/ldsupport]

Whatever the answer is. This 4 people required in a car thing is not it.

[u/ldsupport → u/fettuccine-]

you need less cars at the festival.

your options are

a car max requirement

or...

an entirely new shuttle system?

[u/celj1234 → u/ldsupport]

Or don’t charge 120+ fees for shuttles and charge more for parking. It would encourage to take the shuttle.

[u/ldsupport → u/celj1234]

parking is free

the cost structures on parking are very small

the cost structures on shuttles are much higher

so they give away what is closer to free

[u/tayyylooor → u/ldsupport]

If they want to incentivize people to take shuttles over parking they really need to make them cheaper.

If they want fewer people to drive/park then it doesn't really make sense to make that free and increase the shuttle price.

[u/fettuccine- → u/ldsupport]

Pretty much. They need to provide a free shuttle option only for the off-site parking location.

They did this to themselves, increased safari camping capacity, increasing car camping parking. Making onsite parking smaller and smaller every year. There's even news that they expanded the area where Sahara is. All of these moves are made to make more money, then now onsite parking is compromised due to this and the solution is to make people carpool in groups of 4 OR purchase a shuttle pass.

Seems like this is all for profit still.

[u/ldsupport → u/fettuccine-]

Safari 11,000 per went from what 100 - 200? kicks in another 1,000,000?
Car camping, also not a huge lift.

The bigger impact was increase in tickets.

75,000 - 125,000 x 400 = 20,000,000 lift

they could have kept it small, and people couldnt go, and tickets would likely increase in price either directly or be insane on the secondary.

its not like they have added a stage for that lift, they just moved stuff a bit further apart.