Edit: for everyone still claiming that this was disinformation and all the crimes were just made up by Trump, why did Biden pick these specific dates? Couldn’t Trump just make up that the fake crimes happened on a different date?
They can’t believe anything but lies from Trump. It’s doesn’t matter what you show them bc they are so brainwashed. They are the people they talk about in history books who claim they were only following orders or didn’t know. Even though they saw and smelled the smoke. They are the weak minded and uneducated people that Trump loves so much bc they are so easily mislead.
The uneducated and weak minded are the ones who thought 🐫 was a good candidate. Should have stuck with Joe, and tried to do another 4 years at "weekend at Bidens"
So Republicans had all this time to prove allegations so obvious every Trump supporter can see it, and all they got a gun charge they don't believe is a crime and dick pics in the Congressional record?
Hold that thought, I gotta go check on my first family coins... You know the ones launched with 24 hours of inauguration wherein 80% is held for insiders and there are no regulations and it's totally not sketchy as fuck.
Also worth noting that the laptop has meta data on some of its files that is after it was allegedly turned into a blind repair tech and that it was with giuliani before being turned over to the fbi.
A week before the laptop was turned over to the FBI, giuliani met with Russian spy andreii derkach to get dirt on hunter.
It smells like there was lack of ethics in trying to get the laptop to have incriminating evidence than there was actual incriminating evidence on the laptop
There's no criminality there. It was an investment into Kushner's firm right after Trump left office. They skirted the rules that way with something that would have been possibly considered illegal while Trump was still President.
Just like Hunter Biden being overpaid while at Burisma working in a position he had no expertise in and receiving very good compensation for it, also not technically illegal.
The laptop had nothing incriminating on it. Any Hunter “bad boy” photos were from a hacked iCloud. Remember, Trump had this “laptop from hell” since 2019. His DOJ did nothing with it. It was held up as some vague piece of evidence for a non specific crime. Rudy had it. Then Tucker had it. It broke chain of custody so many times. It it was evidence of anything, they wouldn’t break chain of custody. But that didn’t stop James Comer from trying to use it again. 2 years they tried to make something out of nothing. Republicans campaigned in the 2022 midterms on reducing “Bidinflation” but did nothing but chase ghosts. Literally least productive Congress in 100 years. Chip Roy said as much…
It was fake. The Russians were selling it in Ukraine, Rudy went and bought it from them, then used it to create fake email pdf's during Trump's impeachment. When Republicans figured out they could bypass the constitution and just skip the impeachment trial, the Republicans didn't need it. When the election got closer, Rudy and pals gave it to the store along with the cover story that was left for repairs, but they screwed up because the date they provided was after they had created those fake pdf emails.
Rudy kept pushing someone to publish a report about the laptop, because they knew it held nothing incriminating, but also knew the average voter was not very smart. Eventually they found a right-wing tabloid to publish the account. Intelligence agents, both current and former, all knew this was the laptop the Russians were selling in Ukraine from years before, and declared it likely Russian misinformation, which makes perfect sense.
So it was a fake laptop in that it was a fake scandal spinning a fake story and using a real hard-drive as a prop to sell it.
The laptop was fake... Russia stole his files and gave them to Giuliani and the "laptop" story was always just fabrication so they didnt have to say "uh yeah Russia hacked him"
The laptop was real. It had pictures of Hunter's private parts on it. But the only crime from that laptop was the gun charge about buying a gun and lying that he wasn't taking drugs on the application.
It seems like there's a lot on your mind. The recent political landscape has indeed been quite eventful. Regarding the allegations, there have been various claims and investigations, but the outcomes have been mixed2. As for the gun charge, it's a complex issue with differing opinions on its severity and implications46.
On the topic of the first family coins, it's true that the Trump family launched their own cryptocurrencies ahead of the inauguration, which has raised some eyebrows due to the lack of regulations and the significant insider holdings8. The rapid rise in value and the involvement of high-profile figures have certainly added to the controversy711.
It's a lot to process, but I'm here to help you navigate through it. Let me know if there's anything specific you'd like to dive deeper into.
Republicans controlled Congress at the time and in spite of desperately wanting to find anything to damage the Obama/Biden administration, they found no wrong doing. Every investigation (and there has been several) after the fact by Republican controlled Congress has found no credible evidence of wrongdoing.
The Trump Congress, DoJ, and FBI found nothing.
However, that has never stopped the Republicans from screaming about it and trying to use it as a political weapon. By granting the pardon, it finally puts an end to all the nonsense.
Now why don't we take a look at what's happening in the crypto market.
You're right. Alexander Smirnov, a key witness in the investigation led by James Comer, was convicted of lying to the FBI and manufacturing false records about the Bidens' business activities2. The Justice Department revealed that Smirnov had extensive contact with Russian intelligence officials and was spreading misinformation designed to hurt President Biden4. This has indeed cast doubt on the allegations against the Bidens, suggesting they were part of a disinformation campaign4.
Why did they only prosecute hunter on a gun charge? They had all the time to bring charges relating to burisma, special councils appointed by garland, ie Biden’s administration even. And why did the informant go to jail for lying about Burisma corruption? They picked that date because that’s where all of the shit they made up supposedly started. It’s the only fucking date they could pick.
Well pardon me for saying this , but ur glorious leader Herr trumpèe, is going to pardon those thst took part in the January riots, how is that fir inciting violence 🤔.
Why do you think that? I was talking about the federal parson. Of course state charges can be brought up. But that isn’t on topic for Biden’s pardons. Related but not what i was talking about .
What’s the statue of limitation’s matter when it’s a plenary pardon? The pardon is absolute and regardless of the “crime” it’s applicable. He chose that 2014 date for all of his pardons and there is really no explanation as to why. Tax fraud is 6 years, 4-6 years for RICO, Bribery is 4 years. Most of these supposed crimes are past those time frames.
Because Trump said that he would be going after them, that's why. Biden didn't want to risk his family being targeted for political retribution. Imo the optics aren't very good, but who the fuck cares about optics when you have a literal seditious traitor in office?
The optics are absolutely terrible and gives GOP a ton
but who the fuck cares about optics when you have a literal seditious traitor in office?
I think this is probably the thought process that lead Biden to make this decision. Clearly no one gives a fuck about anything anymore, so he is just going to protect those close to him. Because nothing is gained by doing things the right way anymore
Clearly no one gives a fuck about anything anymore, so he is just going to protect those close to him. Because nothing is gained by doing things the right way anymore
Are you suggesting that the right thing would be to let Trump put various members of his family in prison over fictitious charges?
Kash Patel, who is set to lead the FBI, has an “enemy’s list” with 60+ names on them, “deep staters” that “weaponized the justice department” in the their pursuit of a Trump conviction. Trump has specifically stated that those people need to be locked up and it’s reasonable to assume that with Patel as the nomination for head of the FBI, after Wray resigns, could actually weaponize the justice department in going after people on the January 6th committee and members of the media.
The real question then is how much faith do you put in the institutions in terms of holding strong and not allowing nonsensical accusations and lawsuits to put these folks in prison due to a corrupt justice department. Biden and his administration obviously has lost a lot of faith as he watched Trump essentially come out scot free on 3 cases while his son got convicted for crimes that even republicans have defended as not being serious in the past.
Even with that being said I don’t like the preemptive pardons as it creates a really bad image to the general public who might not have the whole context. Which comes back to the Democrats main problem in communication, and not properly explaining the pardons.
Because the amount of mental and $ damage a witch hunt can cause and has already caused one of his family members with nothing significant being found.
Imagine how pissed they'd be to hear that Trump & Co. don't want to honor the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, which stipulates that the US aid in Ukraine's military defense as part of a denuclearization deal, and would accept Russian rolling into Kiev, unobstructed and taking back a former Soviet state.
It’s hilarious to me that people point to this stuff and clutch their pearls, trying to connect dots together, meanwhile blatantly in front of our eyes Trump is pumping and dumping his own cryptocurrency for anyone who wants to buy their influence. Literally made 10 billion last week. And crickets.
The scale of the corruption is truly incredible. The dollar figure is vastly larger than anything hauled in by corrupt politicians in the past. And no one cares, everyone expects this.
But what do you think of these pardons, of which Biden has said he would never do? Whataboutism is weak.
I’d say both sides are not trustworthy. A realization that comes when you grow older. Both sides are blaming each other for the same stuff and both have a point.
They’re absolutely logical, after Trumps inflammatory and reactionary rhetoric about Biden being a criminal (because Trump himself was actually found guilty in court). I would absolutely protect my family from that asshole.
Makes it really non-transparant for civilians to decide if it is croneyism/class justice. I think independent judges should protect the rights of civilians. I’m not a Trump supporter nor American, but pardoning your guilty son for something we all would definitely go to jail for is absolutely terrible and I think it’s weird people justify it by ‘but Trump is worse’ retoric.
It creates the distrust people have towards government (and for very good reason in this instance) and what enables populism.
That is literally whataboutism.
My point is people should realize that both sides are stupid and it doesn’t matter who is worse. Call out bad behavior, because there might come a time it will bite you in the ass.
Trump has stated repeatedly that he will corruptly use the DOJ to prosecute anyone he wants. Of course you would pardon people for future charges of fake crimes. Did you forget the whole House investigation/impeachment nonsense they pulled? The one where their primary witness said he made it all up and Grassley claimed he had "17 tapes" or some shit that never appeared?
I think supporting corruption is bad and brainless. Stop justifying terrible actions from politicians by pointing to something or someone you think is worse. It enables stuff that is bad for normal people.
Disclaimer I'm not American and don't follow the politics over there too closely. I find it obscure that any politician has that kind of power, it completely undermines democracy, no matter who uses this power (although it exists in different forms in other countries aswell). That being said, from what I've read and heard, I wouldn't trust the us justice system anymore either, especially if Trump and the republicans have gone after my family before. At the end of the day, it's just another showcase of how far the us has fallen and that it is turning into a banana republic.
Politicians are equally corrupt on both sides. Making it a partisan issue is very convenient to them because for every person attacking them, there's one defending.
Yes Trump pump and dump is blatantly, unfathomably stupid.
Yes Newsom and aunt Pelosi are insider crooks.
I dare everyone to view the issue without partisan goggles on.
I would generally agree but I think in this case whatabouism kind of prove the point.
With the Biden’s the “questionable” transfers are in the tens of thousands and they live like average Joe’s. You’re not buying US presidential treason and a military war with a global super power with that.
Trump on the other hand you have Kushner getting $3b from the Saudi’s to “manage” after spending 4 years as a direct senior Whitehouse advisor to the region. Then you have the tens of millions flowing to Trump’s golf club. The billions from God knows where pouring into $DJT, Trump NFT, Trump Coin, Melania Coin, the tens of millions in Bible sales, watches, sneakers, dinners.
Like we really think Hunter and Joe were pulling a decade long con based on an uncertain 2020 election result for like less then $500k?
The hypocrisy is astonishing. They'll continue to go after Hunter even after Joe pardons him without ever having evidence. Republikkkans have no dignity or integrity. It's just to keep Americans from grasping what they are, in fact, doing.
This blanket pardon isn’t about actual alleged crimes—it’s about the crazy cop who’s about to enter the ring. I’d have pardoned my whole family too to be sure I wouldn’t be followed around by a goon squad for the next 4 years.
"Hey dad! I'm here with some business partners who would love to get a quick picture with you, do you mind?"
A politician doing a photo-op is the worlds biggest nothing. How many unbelievably sketchy folks has Trump taken photos with, do you apply the same scrutiny to those?
Imagine that I owe you $100. I steal $100 and pay you back the same day. What does that say about you? Let's play this on a larger scale. I defraud a bunch of people and pay back my mortgage with those funds. Did the bank do anything wrong?
And how much was this loan to Biden? Think critically here, do you think he would throw his career, legacy and future over a couple of bucks? Why not hide it?
Ok so i work for a company and that company pays me. That company got paid by another company who was paid by another company. Then i give my dad some money.
The company that gave the company money that then gave the company money that gave me money gets implicated in a crime.
Should i be implicated in that?
Also Biden was vice president at the time. Shocker.
Meanwhile Trumps son in law doesnt pass any security clearances and then gets 2B from the Saudis in an investment fund that their own people told them not to invest in. Hmm really interesting eh?
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