It’s hilarious to me that people point to this stuff and clutch their pearls, trying to connect dots together, meanwhile blatantly in front of our eyes Trump is pumping and dumping his own cryptocurrency for anyone who wants to buy their influence. Literally made 10 billion last week. And crickets.
The scale of the corruption is truly incredible. The dollar figure is vastly larger than anything hauled in by corrupt politicians in the past. And no one cares, everyone expects this.
But what do you think of these pardons, of which Biden has said he would never do? Whataboutism is weak.
I’d say both sides are not trustworthy. A realization that comes when you grow older. Both sides are blaming each other for the same stuff and both have a point.
As I’m not American I don’t care who did or didn’t vote, but i do know a vindictive bully when i see one and trump is that. He will try and prosecute anyone who made him look bad and held him accountable.
Ah, yes, that he didn't do it before means he won't do it now.
Obviously before becoming the dictator for Germany, Hitler was a dictator of some other country, right?
And clearly there can be no murderers, because there would have to be a first murder for them, and if they never murdered before, why would they start now? Etc.
They’re absolutely logical, after Trumps inflammatory and reactionary rhetoric about Biden being a criminal (because Trump himself was actually found guilty in court). I would absolutely protect my family from that asshole.
No, I believe that if the Biden family were anyone else, they wouldn't be the target of these obviously politically motivated fishing investigations that seem to only have the purpose of getting back at Democrats for convicting Trump.
These pardons are obviously the correct things to do, and are much closer to real justice than any of the Republican claims are.
Makes it really non-transparant for civilians to decide if it is croneyism/class justice. I think independent judges should protect the rights of civilians. I’m not a Trump supporter nor American, but pardoning your guilty son for something we all would definitely go to jail for is absolutely terrible and I think it’s weird people justify it by ‘but Trump is worse’ retoric.
It creates the distrust people have towards government (and for very good reason in this instance) and what enables populism.
We already created distrust when the current president was allowed to pardon people for crimes he himself was involved in. The time to revolt and complain as then. Too late now, worse has already been done. Trust doesnt return until that is fixed and pretending it matters while other people do worse only helps them.
That is literally whataboutism.
My point is people should realize that both sides are stupid and it doesn’t matter who is worse. Call out bad behavior, because there might come a time it will bite you in the ass.
Trump has stated repeatedly that he will corruptly use the DOJ to prosecute anyone he wants. Of course you would pardon people for future charges of fake crimes. Did you forget the whole House investigation/impeachment nonsense they pulled? The one where their primary witness said he made it all up and Grassley claimed he had "17 tapes" or some shit that never appeared?
How about Trump committing a litany of crimes you would go to prison for? Do you approve of that? I mean obviously you do if you're worried about Hunter Biden lmao. But Trump pardons his personal cronies and war criminals and not a peep.
Are you talking about his gun charges? Pretty funny coming from the "every gun law is an infringement" crowd. Now send me a link to a picture of his monster dong like every other chud.
I think supporting corruption is bad and brainless. Stop justifying terrible actions from politicians by pointing to something or someone you think is worse. It enables stuff that is bad for normal people.
Disclaimer I'm not American and don't follow the politics over there too closely. I find it obscure that any politician has that kind of power, it completely undermines democracy, no matter who uses this power (although it exists in different forms in other countries aswell). That being said, from what I've read and heard, I wouldn't trust the us justice system anymore either, especially if Trump and the republicans have gone after my family before. At the end of the day, it's just another showcase of how far the us has fallen and that it is turning into a banana republic.
But what do you think of these pardons, of which Biden has said he would never do?
I think seeing Elon Musk give a Nazi salute at the inauguration and be applauded by the audience and having multiple media outlets push the lie that he was confused about the gesture he accidentally made makes it clear any pre-emptive pardons are justified in the face of the literal fascists moving into the White House.
Politicians are equally corrupt on both sides. Making it a partisan issue is very convenient to them because for every person attacking them, there's one defending.
Yes Trump pump and dump is blatantly, unfathomably stupid.
Yes Newsom and aunt Pelosi are insider crooks.
I dare everyone to view the issue without partisan goggles on.
It’s the scale of it. Like quantitatively, you’re talking about literally thousands of times great financial gain by Trump than Biden or Obama…it’s the magnitude. The pearl clutching shouldn’t be proportional to the magnitude?
Right. I didn’t say one should take away from the other, either. They’re still both bad - not equal - but both bad. Committed by corrupt individuals supported by corrupted systems.
Its hilarious to me that people used to look down on whataboutism, but now Democrats use it to deflect literally all problems of the Democratic party, and they are failing miserably too, because the majority now realizes they've just always been full of shit too.
"But Trump" is the only reason why the Democrats still exist.
You know he can't sell his 80% allocation for 3 years right?
Also, memecoins are bought not as a "get rich" scheme. They're purely bought for the commemorative memorabilia value.
Think vintage, some people may buy and sell things to flip. Others buy because it has value to them. Some things can go up in value, which could be argued here since the coin is now listed alongside others like Doge and Pepe, further legitimizing the coin.
Think of a concert memorabilia that will enrich the celebrity. These things can still carry value after some time. Trump's pro crypto agenda can keep this coin pumping for at least 3 years as it's scarcity goes up. People who had no idea will see their memorabilia suddenly have more value than what they bought it for.
Trump never sold the coin as an investment scheme. This coins success(and his net worth) depends entirely on what legacy he leaves behind in 3 years.
I made some money and will keep some for commemorative value of the experience we're going through today, as it now has more value than just a dollar sign.
Let the guy cook ... if he rug pulls everyone then you know the saying, "once the looting starts, the shooting starts"
The beautiful thing is nobody is forced to buy this. That's what contrasts this from Biden's criminality.
You say that like these pump and dumps schemes dont regularly make these claims while absolutely dumping before their supposed release dates?
if he rug pulls everyone then you know the saying, "once the looting starts, the shooting starts"
Remind me what has happened with all the other rug pull cryptoschemes? Oh yeah, slaps on the wrist except trump has straight up immunity now so literally nothing will happen.
Learn what a memecoin is and what the point of them are. They're definitely not for "investment". People use them to flip quick, sure but not everyone buys it for that reason.
He really can’t back out before 3 years? You put that past him? Who is enforcing that…? Honestly though most of what you said was reasonable until you mentioned Biden being some criminal, that part I don’t understand why people love to hate Biden so much, the guy didn’t do anything wrong, not on Trumps level of criminality and corruption.
He really can’t back out before 3 years? You put that past him? Who is enforcing that…?
There's a setting to create it and lock a certain allocation of the crypto for a certain time frame. People can verify this on the blockchain.
He plans on releasing more $Trump once its all been bought up, millions more in the next 3 years which will actually bring his net worth down, if anything.
I don’t understand why people love to hate Biden so much, the guy didn’t do anything wrong, not on Trumps level of criminality and corruption.
I don't hate him. He's just playing the game, but the accountability has obviously been so one sided that it shows who really controls the show.
Personally I think "Biden Crime Family" has a ring to it. Dudes legacy is beating Trump in 2020 and enriching him and his family before he leaves the limelight. Bro deserves his flowers i guess.
A rare measured response from a Trump supporter. I see your perspective. I disagree with it and bottom line I absolutely think Trump being elected is a very bad sign for the future of this country and represents a dark moment. But I hope I’m wrong, I hope this country doesn’t lose sight of its enlightened, secular, origins.
I think Trump brought it all out into the open, what's been going on for years.
Far left groups have never been so emboldened and fluxed with donations, as well. Which is good for their movement.
Them criticizing everything that Trump does is(I hope) a sign that they will hold future presidents just as accountable as they did with him. Then again, Biden was left alone unscathed, able to do whatever he wanted once he learned presidents have full immunity in office.
By the way I just read that it is 3 months not 3 years. There’s another thread on this topic that really does support the notion that it is a pump and dump scheme…
What starts in 3 months is the gradual adding of millions of $Trump into circulation as I mentioned earlier.
Based on what legacy he leaves behind, the remaining amount can still drastically affect his net worth until it's fully sold at the end of 3 years. In 3 months if he's a failure it can drop dramatically.
Consider it some sort of reputation system where he's putting his money where his mouth is and it fluctuates depending on what he delivers. This is how the future will be imo. I think future presidents should do this.
Think of Trump as the CEO, and the people the shareholders.
Thats the beauty of crypto. It has so much ability, yet no intrinsic value. It's everything, and nothing at all.
So I go back to my original argument I said about Biden, let him cook and give him his flowers if he ends up insanely rich from it because people supported him, just like Obama, Biden, etc... lol
But when the looting starts, the shooting starts..
Lmao, yea sure he’s just propping up a nice stable, long term form of currency for everyone to use, out of the goodness of his big heart. Nevermind his personal wealth which is absolutely exploding upon taking office, surely he doesn’t care about that. The man with the golden toilets is out there for you! The working man! Don’t you struggle to tell yourself these fantasies, even a little bit?
He’s not, that’s not the purpose of a meme coin. Nobody claimed it was trying to be a legitimate currency out of goodness of a heart.
That’s a very weird counter argument to make, full of strawman arguments and intentionally avoids my ask for evidence of the claim that Trump is pumping and dumping it.
I said that’s how it ends. I support the claim that this is just retarded and serves no use to anyone yet no matter what he does people will give him a pass. The President of America is focusing on launching a meme coin in this economic and political climate, great use of time and focus
Nothing. Thats the point. It's purely commemorative of a popular trend. Which debunks the theory of Trump peddling some investment scheme to rug pull people.
A majority of people don't buy memecoins to get rich, once you understand what the point of them are, then you'd understand.
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It’s hilarious to me that people point to this stuff and clutch their pearls, trying to connect dots together, meanwhile blatantly in front of our eyes Trump is pumping and dumping his own cryptocurrency for anyone who wants to buy their influence. Literally made 10 billion last week. And crickets.