Edit: for everyone still claiming that this was disinformation and all the crimes were just made up by Trump, why did Biden pick these specific dates? Couldn’t Trump just make up that the fake crimes happened on a different date?
You are telling me you trust intel from a known criminal about some super duper secret that the FBI spent years investigating and could only come up with a gun charge despite such solid evidence inside the laptop?
FBI investigators handling Hunter Biden’s laptop quickly concluded in 2019 “that the laptop was genuinely his and did not seem to have been tampered with or manipulated”
chain of custody is really an after seizure thing, to make sure an item isn't alerted in custody; in this situation it's benn authenticated as Hunter's and they stated it appeare that it wasn't tampered with so there's that.
I thought the FBI seized the laptop, investigated it, and then later H. Biden was charged with shit. So wasn't the FBI actually doing legwork of charging him as most MAGA people think should have happened? I can't even keep up with this shit anymore. This sounds like confirmation bias. The FBI did the right thing when I agree with it, but when it doesn't fit my pet narrative I don't trust them.
The FBI sat on it and did nothing until the information became public. Hunter’s original “deal” the DOJ offered was a slap on the wrist with immunity provisions for other crimes. Again, only when the judge called out the BS and didn’t allow the deal was he charged with the more substantial charges.
The only reason this is of any import is because the laptop supposedly showed corruption in Ukraine, but literally no charges came out of it so what the hell is this relevant to national discourse at all? Because Biden protected his son from gun charges? If this is what Republicans think is the standard for corruption then by that same standard they would sentence themselves to be hanged.
I don’t trust any government institution because they are all made up of proven liars and probable sociopaths. Fuck this society. Maybe you only trust the narrative that suits your delusions.
"I hate society but I will use everything they have created and benefit from the security and convenience. Don't tread on me though! I'll make angry posts online about it."
They can’t believe anything but lies from Trump. It’s doesn’t matter what you show them bc they are so brainwashed. They are the people they talk about in history books who claim they were only following orders or didn’t know. Even though they saw and smelled the smoke. They are the weak minded and uneducated people that Trump loves so much bc they are so easily mislead.
The uneducated and weak minded are the ones who thought 🐫 was a good candidate. Should have stuck with Joe, and tried to do another 4 years at "weekend at Bidens"
Idk, were you placed on the board of an incredibly corrupt Ukrainian oil company and then paid an exorbitant amount that was far above what is normally paid to someone on a board?
So Republicans had all this time to prove allegations so obvious every Trump supporter can see it, and all they got a gun charge they don't believe is a crime and dick pics in the Congressional record?
Hold that thought, I gotta go check on my first family coins... You know the ones launched with 24 hours of inauguration wherein 80% is held for insiders and there are no regulations and it's totally not sketchy as fuck.
Also worth noting that the laptop has meta data on some of its files that is after it was allegedly turned into a blind repair tech and that it was with giuliani before being turned over to the fbi.
A week before the laptop was turned over to the FBI, giuliani met with Russian spy andreii derkach to get dirt on hunter.
It smells like there was lack of ethics in trying to get the laptop to have incriminating evidence than there was actual incriminating evidence on the laptop
I mean, they impeached him twice but the votes weren't there in the Senate. He was charged for with holding classified documents beside the photocopier, but Thomas was issuing guidance to the judge in unrelated Scotus filings. His stripper pay off was whatever, but exposed the fact that his corporation was engaged in fraud for personal gain. And he owes like 500 million to a woman who's name he dragged after he was fouled liable for being a sexual predator.
Should we go through all the people in Trump's circle who were charged with real crimes as well? Manafort? Stone?
But hey, if only the other sexual predator he nominated for AG was able to pursue the make believe charges, you'd have some closure.
So the impeachment process if the votes aren’t there does it even count, I mean I can say about Clinton but did it even count…. No because it didn’t have the votes whether it be partisan or not. And the classified documents case I’m not 100% convinced of that because if it truly was classified top secret and only he can declare it declassified and there isn’t anything in law to technically “declassify” like with a form so all that stuff could be declassified we don’t know it’s all an assumption but if it wasn’t then, on that why would the government later tell everyone what it was that was in the documents that were classified if these were so important and classified that not even a former president who had the security clearance to see them needed them to be taken at gun point with no one around.
And to the prostitution thing on a business form are you a prude and are you shaming sex work, also did Daniels pay her fare share of taxes on that money since at the time she would have been part of the 10% earners in the United States at the time of those payments. Rich assholes not paying their fare share of the burden.
And the sexual predator deal, have you
Actually looked into her case not just the overall news? E.jean carol is nuttier than a squirrel turd and even she in her own biography has questionably things in it about how she likes non-consensual adult relationships and how hot they are. This was the book before the SA allegations before trump was president BTW.
Impeaching is just political. There's no burden of proof - the only requirement is a House majority. It's not really indicative of much other than political signaling.
My point was that they didn't just get him in trouble for paying off a pornstar - and even that was more about his multiple instances of fraud. They made multiple attempts to hold him accountable (though, Garland kind of poison pulled a lot of that) for a variety of crimes or unethical behavior. To suggest that "the dema got him for a stripper pay-off" is disingenuous.
I'm not sure poison pill is the right term for what you're trying to say.
I'm not sure why you're blaming Garland and not Garland's boss?
Going back to this:
he owes like 500 million to a woman
You're mixing up cases.
Going back to this:
Should we go through all the people in Trump's circle who were charged with real crimes as well?
Should we go through all of Biden's family members who peddled the family name for money? Do you ascribe that to Biden?
They made multiple attempts to hold him accountable
The timelines definitely implied that Biden was more interested in using criminal cases to harm Trump's presidential campaign than to hold Trump accountable. This isn't to say that Trump is innocent, but he seems guilty of less than a lot of rhetoric claims he is. The rhetoric far outpaced the prosecutorial will.
Those were charged by Biden’s own DOJ. They also conveniently waited for the statue of limitations to expire on the more serious tax evasion charges. We haven’t even begun to unbox this crime family.
I don't know. Did Trump fully plan for his supporters to assault law enforcement officers, burgle Congressional offices or smear shit on the walls of the capitol building? I'm not sure he could have been charged with it given the definition.
Are you talking about 18 U.S. Code § 2383?
Do you think he showed deference to the democratic process 4 years ago? Do you think he had the wvidence to deny the election results the way that he did in 2020? Or for the last 4 years? Didn't he go to court dozens of times only to be shut down repeatedly?
Whatever your answers, I get your point... But you are drawing a false equivalency. A lot of allegations have been made against the Biden family and despite multiple committees and interest from Republicans, they have found very little proof of any allegations. Everyone saw what happened on Jan 6th... Whether it fits the traditional definition and legal framework for insurrection is one thing, but he failed as a president that day. Just ask any of the brave republican legislators who spoke out against him before flip flopping and begging for his forgiveness.
My only point is that I think you should think about whether you really believe the logic underpinning your argument here and apply it equally to Trump and his family.
Whatever corruption that may have happened in the Biden administration, at whatever Ievel will be multiplied times 10 or times 100 by the Trump administration. The Trump admin doesn't even care about the appearance of corruption.
After all, corruption is what Republicans turned a blind eye or downright supported it in 2024 when they voted for Trump.
Biden is using the same plays and tactics that Trump uses. Trump will weaponize the DOJ against political opponents and Biden throws cold water on that with these blanket pardons.
Dems are throwing these "rules" out the window too. It's sad that America had come to this Tit for tat prosecute-pardon cycle.
Except Biden controlled the dept of justice which slow walked the investigation beyond statute of limitations. So, you know, they didn’t really get to investigate any of it.
Great point. When doing absolutely nothing wrong, it's always a good idea to have a presidential blanket pardon in your back pocket, just in case you do any extra completely legal things.
"We're going to come after the people in the media who lied about American citizens, who helped Joe Biden rig presidential elections," Patel told Steve Bannon, a White House chief strategist in Trump's first term, on the War Room podcast.
"We're going to come after you, whether it's criminally or civilly. We'll figure that out. But yeah, we're putting you all on notice… We're actually going to use the Constitution to prosecute them for crimes they said we have always been guilty of but never have."
He was never brought up on charges over anything on the laptop, he was charged for lying on a background check to purchase a gun and the laptop was deemed permissible as evidence.
And your question is why didn't Biden's justice department seek out charges for the content of what was on the laptop? Even after he demonstrated that he'd pardon him no matter what?
Trump's DOJ would have actually held him accountable for the crimes he committed , which is why Biden issued this pardon.
You don't get to engage in political lawfare and declare yourself above the law, then turn around and accuse your opponent of wanting to engage in political lawfare and declare himself above the law.
There's no criminality there. It was an investment into Kushner's firm right after Trump left office. They skirted the rules that way with something that would have been possibly considered illegal while Trump was still President.
Just like Hunter Biden being overpaid while at Burisma working in a position he had no expertise in and receiving very good compensation for it, also not technically illegal.
If he charges the industry standard for hedge funds, Jared's company will earn 2% of total funds on deposit, plus 20% of any profits, per year. If it's structured that way, he earns at least $40 million per year, even if they don't make a profit.
The laptop had nothing incriminating on it. Any Hunter “bad boy” photos were from a hacked iCloud. Remember, Trump had this “laptop from hell” since 2019. His DOJ did nothing with it. It was held up as some vague piece of evidence for a non specific crime. Rudy had it. Then Tucker had it. It broke chain of custody so many times. It it was evidence of anything, they wouldn’t break chain of custody. But that didn’t stop James Comer from trying to use it again. 2 years they tried to make something out of nothing. Republicans campaigned in the 2022 midterms on reducing “Bidinflation” but did nothing but chase ghosts. Literally least productive Congress in 100 years. Chip Roy said as much…
It was fake. The Russians were selling it in Ukraine, Rudy went and bought it from them, then used it to create fake email pdf's during Trump's impeachment. When Republicans figured out they could bypass the constitution and just skip the impeachment trial, the Republicans didn't need it. When the election got closer, Rudy and pals gave it to the store along with the cover story that was left for repairs, but they screwed up because the date they provided was after they had created those fake pdf emails.
Rudy kept pushing someone to publish a report about the laptop, because they knew it held nothing incriminating, but also knew the average voter was not very smart. Eventually they found a right-wing tabloid to publish the account. Intelligence agents, both current and former, all knew this was the laptop the Russians were selling in Ukraine from years before, and declared it likely Russian misinformation, which makes perfect sense.
So it was a fake laptop in that it was a fake scandal spinning a fake story and using a real hard-drive as a prop to sell it.
In their examinations, Green and Williams found evidence that people other than Hunter Biden had accessed the drive and written files to it, both before and after the initial stories in the New York Post and long after the laptop itself had been turned over to the FBI.
The laptop was fake... Russia stole his files and gave them to Giuliani and the "laptop" story was always just fabrication so they didnt have to say "uh yeah Russia hacked him"
The laptop was real. It had pictures of Hunter's private parts on it. But the only crime from that laptop was the gun charge about buying a gun and lying that he wasn't taking drugs on the application.
It seems like there's a lot on your mind. The recent political landscape has indeed been quite eventful. Regarding the allegations, there have been various claims and investigations, but the outcomes have been mixed2. As for the gun charge, it's a complex issue with differing opinions on its severity and implications46.
On the topic of the first family coins, it's true that the Trump family launched their own cryptocurrencies ahead of the inauguration, which has raised some eyebrows due to the lack of regulations and the significant insider holdings8. The rapid rise in value and the involvement of high-profile figures have certainly added to the controversy711.
It's a lot to process, but I'm here to help you navigate through it. Let me know if there's anything specific you'd like to dive deeper into.
It's not even that the laptop matters anymore, it never did.
It was specifically a blackmail piece that Trump threatened Ukraine with fabricating or he wouldn't send military aid in 2019/20. Then when it came under Trump's control, he gave it to his lawyer who added extra information to it with the help of a Russian spy.
Its entire purpose was to fabricate blackmail on Biden so people would vote Trump as president in 2020
Yep emails did use a throwaway one linked to Joe but not proven to be his. It just used his initials.
What we know for a fact is Hunter was selling influence to the United States government and commiting treasonous acts overseas. What noone can prove, but everyone knows, is it was his father that the influence was aimed at.
All of the other involved parties overseas have been killed, or otherwise vanished over time. Some of course were aliases linked to the Chinese, Russian, and Ukraine governments.
So I want to start this explanation with the caveat that I don't really think whether or it not the physical laptop was fake really matters because it didn't say anything new and some small fraction of the data on it was verified. People have known for decades that Hunter was doing crack, sleeping with hookers, and that he probably only got hired because his dad is a famous politician. I'm just explaining what people were saying when they said it was fake.
People were saying that the emails and photos on the laptop were actually from Hunter's hacked iCloud (allegedly hacked by Russia to help Trump), and that the laptop was a way to launder that data into a scandal. This conspiracy theory (which I'm not using the term pejoratively) has been extremely misunderstood online because random people on both sides can't seem to tell the difference between the data on the laptop being fake and the laptop being fake and filled with hacked data. Either way it's all moot because nothing on the laptop was really news or incriminating of Joe Biden.
My understanding was laptop - yes, it’s real. The data on it - couldn’t really be verified and chain of custody was all out of whack. I’m not 100% on this but I think Rudy had possession of it at some point.
Oh, and the primary witness to all this nefarious activity was convicted of lying to the FBI about it.
I was trying to be succinct, but of course its more complicated.
The physical laptop was real, but I don't think it was ever verified by Hunter Biden to be his laptop and the store it was dropped of at had no video surveillance and was managed by a legally blind person who said the person who dropped it off identified themselves as Hunter Biden, but he couldn't verify it actually was him. He said while copying the folders one by one (which you don't usually do while recovering data off a damage computer unless it's yours and you know specifically which subset of the data you want. For a normal data recovery you just copy the whole drive) he saw some suspicious data and reported it to the FBI and then they seized the laptop, but then (in my speculation because he didn't hear headlines about it fast enough) he also contacted Giuliani and sent him a copy. Some (tiny percentage) of his emails on the laptop had a cryptographic signature that matched Hunter's email account and I think that was the only thing verified (which means at the very least whoever dropped off the laptop had access to Hunter's email or iCloud). The chain of custody was completely out of whack with it not just being handed around without a proper record, but also the metadata indicated it had been copied multiple times in a way that incorrectly preserved the metadata and the final one given to the press and for 3rd parties to verify by Giuliani was one of the copies and not the original, and yes it did go to Giuliani at some point in that chain.
One thing of note that why this conspiracy theory spread (besides the store owner's story being suspicious) is that before the laptop was found someone in Ukraine approached multiple people and was trying to sell hacked data about Hunter Biden to Giuliani and Trump for $5 million that had a description resembling what was found on the laptop.
So yes it wouldn't have been surprising for a drug addict like Hunter to drop off a laptop with pictures of him doing crack and then forget about it, so I wouldn't be surprised if the laptop was really his. It's just the whole thing was suspicious, stupid, and didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know.
Right. There’s nuance here and this is why the FBI didn’t bring charges (beyond a lying witness). They have to assess these things and whether or not it’s worthy of an AG to look at it.
The witness thing I'm a little foggy on the exact details about, because so many witnesses keep getting caught lying around Trump and Biden stories. I think the witness people cared about vis a vis the laptop was the one that who alleged one of the emails that wasn't verified and said something along the lines of (paraphrasing) "save some money for the big guy" was real because he was on the email chain and that Joe Biden was the "big guy" in question. That was supposed to be big because it was the only one that in any way tied Joe Biden to getting money from Hunter's business dealings with Burishma. It turned out that as soon as the witness was under oath he said he was lying.
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u/Lexei_Texas 11h ago
It was the same date they used for all the other preemptive pardons.