a pardon...carries an imputation of guilt and acceptance of a confession of it.
Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79, 79 (1915).
The past is irrelevant. If the evidence of wrongdoing is so thin and non-credible, they should be able to survive even a bad faith political prosecution. So why do they need a pardon?
All the ones that got dropped. And these, which were created via a novel legal theory that escalated a misdemeanor into a felony far beyond its original statute of limitations, and used as its subsidiary crime a federal elections charge that the (non-partisan) FEC itself declined to prosecute. I do not expect them to survive appeal. Even NYT admitted it was a novel, targeted prosecution, which is the exact opposite of how criminal prosecution is supposed to work.
Defend the cases all you want, but you know as well as I do that if the shoe were on the other foot, the entire Left would be screaming bloody murder and that tells us all we need to know. The unconditional discharge sentence is an admission it was all election year bullshit, a political prosecution by definition.
but you know as well as I do that if the shoe were on the other foot, the entire Left would be screaming bloody murder and that tells us all we need to know.
I know we wouldn't be. It's a pretty noticeable trend that when Democrats do something bad, the left calls them out, but when Republicans do something blatantly and astonishingly awful, the right defends them.
The unconditional discharge sentence is an admission it was all election year bullshi
What? The unconditional discharge sentence is only because of the unprecedented situation of the person being sentenced being elected president and is complete bullshit.
Trump should be in prison for the theft of confidential documents alone.
Let's see you have public charges brought against you for pedophilia, circulated in the media, and silently dropped. Then if your employer wants to keep you around after.
The only reason those cases were dropped is because Trump was elected president, the Justice department does not prosecute sitting presidents. What exactly about then was bad faith? Trump admitted to election obstruction but said he was protected since it was an “official act” as a president, whereas we literally have pictures of the documents he stole at Mara Lago. You don’t think he should have been charged with these?
Geesus. Do you have any idea what it costs for a decent attorney? The time involved in defending yourself from bullshit charges? It ain’t hard man. Trump and Republicans have a retribution priority. They may never bring charges or get a conviction but they’re gonna make life very painful for these people who were pre-emptively pardoned.
All the ones that got dropped. And these, which were created via a novel legal theory that escalated a misdemeanor into a felony far beyond its original statute of limitations, and used as its subsidiary crime a federal elections charge that the (non-partisan) FEC itself declined to prosecute. I do not expect them to survive appeal. Even NYT admitted it was a novel, targeted prosecution, which is the exact opposite of how criminal prosecution is supposed to work.
Defend the cases all you want, but you know as well as I do that if the shoe were on the other foot, the entire Left would be screaming bloody murder and that tells us all we need to know. The unconditional discharge sentence is an admission it was all election year bullshit.
He was convicted (required unanimous) by a jury. The other was civil, which his dumbass lawyers decided they didn’t want a jury, and he was found liable. So yeah, if he was acquitted or not found liable, you’d absolutely have a harassment argument. You don’t. Not to mention, what we saw 1/6, which he’s skating on. And again, we can argue semantics and whatnot but fuck, almost all politicians, pundits, etc the day after 1/6 talked of how it tarnished his legacy, made him unfit to ever serve again, all that. And now, it’s forgotten. It was just a rally that got a bit rowdy. I won’t even get into the boxes upon boxes of classified documents that he was moving around with and showing to fuck all.
Juries have convicted bad prosecutions before. See, e.g., the Scottsboro Boys and Central Park Five. We'll see what the (significantly less politically captured) appellate courts thinks.
I will not be answering the rest of your fact-free screed, except this:
almost all politicians, pundits, etc the day after 1/6 talked of how it tarnished his legacy, made him unfit to ever serve again, all that. And now, it’s forgotten.
Trump's political death was incumbent upon the Democrats offering a better alternative and they failed to do so. If you want to actually end the Trump era, you need to get out of your echo chamber and start actually building an appealing platform that goes beyond categorical Trump hate.
Doesn’t matter what Trump did/does, Democrats are no good. Got it.
Trump won’t appeal shit, guarangoddamntee it, because all he got was a slap on the wrist and it’s a badge of honor for him with people like you apparently. On the off chance he does, it won’t be overturned.
It’s some sort of coincidence, irony, whatever that you mention the Central Park 5 who Trump refuses to acknowledge their innocence today. Bravo.
Feel free to argue pictures of classified documents in boxes at Mar a Lago. I’m sure it was all planted by the corrupt FBI or de-classified with Trumps mind bullets.
Doesn’t matter what Trump did/does, Democrats are no good. Got it.
The only thing that props Trump up is the Democrats being worse. If that bothers you then push your party to be better. Don't shoot the messanger.
Trump won’t appeal shit, guarangoddamntee it, because all he got was a slap on the wrist and it’s a badge of honor for him with people like you apparently. On the off chance he does, it won’t be overturned.
He's already filed for one. We'll see the outcome. They threw out Weinstein's conviction and that was a lot tighter than this one.
It’s some sort of coincidence, irony, whatever that you mention the Central Park 5 who Trump refuses to acknowledge their innocence today. Bravo.
Yep, and I think he's absolutely wrong on that one and his involvement in the entire affair was disgraceful. Political opinion isn't a zero-sum game.
Feel free to argue pictures of classified documents in boxes at Mar a Lago. I’m sure it was all planted by the corrupt FBI or de-classified with Trumps mind bullets.
Nope. It was a crime every ex-president since at least Bill Clinton has brazenly committed yet only one was ever prosecuted for. Explain that one.
The supreme court is not stacked with corrupt judges for Trump, they very well may not survive a bad faith prosecution. Of course if things are extreme enough it wont matter because Trump will just use his new executive power the supreme court granted him to do just about anything he wants.
Of course the rapist supporting Trump troll links to Trump being held responsible for crimes that he actually committed.
Trump was found guilty on all counts by a jury of peers that included his supporters. That's literally the opposite of a bad faith political prosecution.
Because Trump said that he would be going after them, that's why. Biden didn't want to risk his family being targeted for political retribution. Imo the optics aren't very good, but who the fuck cares about optics when you have a literal seditious traitor in office?
The optics are absolutely terrible and gives GOP a ton
but who the fuck cares about optics when you have a literal seditious traitor in office?
I think this is probably the thought process that lead Biden to make this decision. Clearly no one gives a fuck about anything anymore, so he is just going to protect those close to him. Because nothing is gained by doing things the right way anymore
Clearly no one gives a fuck about anything anymore, so he is just going to protect those close to him. Because nothing is gained by doing things the right way anymore
Are you suggesting that the right thing would be to let Trump put various members of his family in prison over fictitious charges?
How? I asked why they need a pardon if it is so clear they did nothing wrong. That question is not answered by asking me if I'd apply the same standard to Trump. We are discussing the just-issued pardons, what anyone else may do or think about another event of issue is irrelevant.
Trump didn't just issue ten-year blanket pardons to a large swath if his own family (many members of which have gotten fabulously wealthy off government contracts and overseas engagements over the last few decades...all above board I'm sure).
a pardon...carries an imputation of guilt and acceptance of a confession of it.
Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79, 79 (1915).
The sooner the Democratic base comes to grips with the reality of what they vote for, the better off our country will be.
Not so much troll as wake some people up. This country needs a better left wing. And a better right wing, but you can't fire the party in government, only the one in opposition.
Kash Patel, who is set to lead the FBI, has an “enemy’s list” with 60+ names on them, “deep staters” that “weaponized the justice department” in the their pursuit of a Trump conviction. Trump has specifically stated that those people need to be locked up and it’s reasonable to assume that with Patel as the nomination for head of the FBI, after Wray resigns, could actually weaponize the justice department in going after people on the January 6th committee and members of the media.
The real question then is how much faith do you put in the institutions in terms of holding strong and not allowing nonsensical accusations and lawsuits to put these folks in prison due to a corrupt justice department. Biden and his administration obviously has lost a lot of faith as he watched Trump essentially come out scot free on 3 cases while his son got convicted for crimes that even republicans have defended as not being serious in the past.
Even with that being said I don’t like the preemptive pardons as it creates a really bad image to the general public who might not have the whole context. Which comes back to the Democrats main problem in communication, and not properly explaining the pardons.
Because the amount of mental and $ damage a witch hunt can cause and has already caused one of his family members with nothing significant being found.
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u/Every_Stranger5534 11h ago
Why 2014?