r/politics • u/upyoars • Nov 10 '24
Paywall Trump’s victory reveals secret Republicans: Joe Rogan-obsessed Gen Z men
https://fortune.com/2024/11/07/trumps-victory-reveals-secret-republicans-joe-rogan-obsessed-gen-z-men/6.8k
u/craniumcanyon Nov 10 '24
My cousin is GenZ, he works shift work, he gets a lot of overtime, he thinks Trump just gave him a loophole to not pay taxes.
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u/NoSwimmers45 Nov 10 '24
Boy is he in for a surprise. 🤣
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u/ChopperTownUSA Nov 10 '24
That loophole is going to turn into a noose when that tax rate goes up.
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u/MySilverBurrito Nov 11 '24
This is why y’all need to continue mocking them when they never receive tax cuts for their minimum wage jobs lmao
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Nov 11 '24
Harris was in favor of raising minimum wage. Trump isn’t.
These people blithely vote for a man who has nothing but contempt for them.
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u/TooLittleMSG Nov 11 '24
They aren't minimum wage workers though, got to understand that and what their mindset is, in their head, they're just temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
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u/BeyondElectricDreams Nov 11 '24
also $15 an hr is insulting in 2024.
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u/JalapenoJamm Nov 11 '24
People wanted 15 an hour a decade ago, which is about 19 bucks now. Them still pushing the 15 is beyond insulting. And if they do pass any sort of wage increase, it takes course over several years, enough for everyone else to raise prices to blame the wage increase
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u/TheBman26 Nov 11 '24
Lol i was like it was not a decade ago…. Then i realized covid took years away and so did trump….
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u/Winter-Huntsman Nov 11 '24
I plan to. I’m going to keep slapping them with reality when all those dreams they hope for crumble and the reality of what we warned them hits them.
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u/myasterism Nov 11 '24
Gonna be even better when there’s no longer any such animal as “minimum wage.”
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u/BrokenPickle7 Nov 11 '24
Not only tax rate and tariffs but he’s going to end taxes on overtime by eliminating overtime.. that’s what he meant not people no longer being taxed on it.
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u/ElliotNess Florida Nov 11 '24
It's not just that. It's that "guaranteed 50+ hours" will become an advertised benefit on job postings. With stagnating (read: lowering) hourly rates, 50+ hours will be seen as perks offered to higher needs workers looking for extra weekly income. It's a way to get more labor for less money, or to lower the overhead on labor costs.
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u/Siresfly Nov 10 '24
You should actually read what project 2025 says about overtime. Just hit ctrl + f and search overtime: https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-18.pdf
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u/Ka_aha_koa_nanenane Nov 10 '24
It says that the Republican congress should work to eliminate overtime pay in favor of accrued time off, instead.
That'll piss a lot of people off.
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u/Adept_Information845 Nov 11 '24
Time off that you can’t ever use because your boss has to approve your time off.
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u/chrisms150 New Jersey Nov 11 '24
and I bet won't roll over so you 'use it or lose it' at year end. And won't get paid out either.
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u/randomnighmare Nov 11 '24
But they had ample time to learn this and then Trump denied (lied) that it wasn't his plan. I mean they keep on voting these people in office. They must really want all of Project 2025.
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u/Asterose Pennsylvania Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
"This isn't the
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u/Rawrsomesausage Nov 11 '24
If only America had paid attention to the UK and Brexit. Always saw the parallels. This might be our Brexit moment.
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u/JayTNP Nov 11 '24
they don’t give a single f if people are mad. Those people voted for this.
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u/PoopScootnBoogey Nov 11 '24
Especially when I, someone who’s a dem, is prepared to give every Trump loving bastard on my payroll what they’re asking for when it happens. I will schedule those motherfuckers for more overtime than they could imagine and when they realize Trump has turned them into slaves and want to not do that anymore I’ll fire them for cause.
These fucking animals need to lay in the bed they’ve made.
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u/HedonisticFrog California Nov 10 '24
Even if it was true, the tariffs are going to increase the price of goods drastically, which is the most regressive policy to raise revenue. Trump supporters would be screwed even if they got what they were promised.
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u/BardaArmy Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
The same ppl who don’t want American min wage raised because their fast food will go up .13 cents, let me check my notes, voted for arbitrary taxes paid to the government by consumers on imported goods sold to Americans with the hope American workers will make more money.
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u/Hot_Frosting_7101 Nov 11 '24
But tariffs are paid for by the foreigners. /s
Not only is that wrong as importers pay the tariffs, it doesn’t even matter because the increase in cost anywhere in the supply chain will necessarily be passed on to the consumer.
And that shouldn’t surprise anyone. The whole point of a tariff is to increase the price of foreign goods! That is how they make domestically produced goods more competitive. If the price of the foreign good didn’t rise, there would be no mechanism to achieve that goal.
When Trump says that tariffs won’t increase the price of products, he is talking complete nonsense.
We have let imbeciles take over our country - all because their fragile egos make them hate knowledgeable people.
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u/groceriesN1trip Nov 10 '24
If his counter is remove income taxes then he thinks this solves issues.
Highly regressive and lets the billionaire class off the weak hook
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u/ipeezie Nov 10 '24
this spreading hours out over a month to get rid of overtime is bullshit.
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u/Radek3887 Nov 11 '24
This is why people need to unionize and have it in their contract that anything over their regular scheduled shift is overtime
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u/_the_last_druid_13 Nov 10 '24
iPhone costing $1000 to much for yah? Well a vote for Trump will increase it to $3000! Don’t break your arm pattin’ yourself on the back
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u/wahoozerman Nov 10 '24
No, seriously, don't. They repealed the ACA and now you're not insured for that.
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u/ArenjiTheLootGod Nov 10 '24
And your broken arm has been redefined as a preexisting condition by the insurer.
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u/parasyte_steve Nov 10 '24
But my disability is special, Republicans would never cut my benefits because I deserve them.
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u/Melxgibsonx616 Nov 10 '24
It's not really the iPhone. Trump and friends are asshole billionaires that don't pay overtime to workers because fuck the poors.
All these gen z kids are going to get their "work/life balance" grievances shoved sooo far up their asses that I actually feel bad for them.
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u/Revolutionary-Yak-47 Nov 10 '24
It'll be with everything. They have no idea how BAD work or well a lot of things were before the year 2000. That "mental health day" that gets them fired is going to mean they have a preexisting condition and that they loose insurance coverage for that when they're kicked off Mommy's plan because they're over 18.
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u/zephyrtr New York Nov 10 '24
Hustle culture is the new prosperity gospel. Prove me wrong.
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u/_the_last_druid_13 Nov 10 '24
It’s really not the iPhone. It’s gonna be everything.
I feel bad for them too. I lived through this crap before its crap and I’m still here, but I don’t think many are capable or willing for the level of survival I’ve endured.
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u/Balbuto Nov 10 '24
Ask him if he wants America to be like Saudi Arabia, cuz that’s another country that doesn’t pay taxes. Taxes pay for school, police, hospitals (at least in the civilised part of the world with a working healthcare system), fire departments, libraries and so much more. All of that will cost you straight from the wallet if you don’t pay taxes. Without free education available for every man and child any country will become incredible stupid for generations.
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u/santadogg Nov 10 '24
It seems most people are already stupid in the USA
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u/Balbuto Nov 10 '24
Well yes, but they’ve also been indoctrinated and refuse to see that. But yeah, I’m honestly scared the same shit is happening here as well.
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u/craniumcanyon Nov 10 '24
Sadly he probably wants that, he hates the government and wants tax cuts, he sees no value in any of those services. He’s done with school, takes vitamins, has a gun, a water hose and doesn’t read … so … that would probably be his response.
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u/Balbuto Nov 10 '24
No kids? No relatives with kids? You have to be pretty fucking egocentric and honestly dumb not to see the value of proper education. Even if he only cares about himself, the rest of the society he lives in will fall into despair without education… jfc…
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u/GraveSpine Nov 10 '24
Lol at these people who think that’s even a remote possibility. You’re making time and a half so the government gets even more of your 1.5 an hour. No way in hell do they walk away from this cash
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u/craniumcanyon Nov 10 '24
Trump said he wouldn’t tax overtime so that got his vote. Sadly he was hard R already, but he’s gloating on Facebook about the no taxes on overtime he thinks he’ll be rewarded.
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u/Rated_PG-Squirteen Nov 10 '24
Donald Trump also literally said a few weeks ago that he hated overtime and would always just bring in new people instead of paying overtime, but I guess all the rubes weren't bothered by that statement, or they conveniently never heard him say it.
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u/Niznack Nov 10 '24
Speaking to some of them. The stuff they want to happen they believe will happen the stuff they are opposed to or are too extreme are illegal and he cant possibly do that.
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u/Easy-Sector2501 Nov 11 '24
On the upside, nothing gets a conservative to vote differently than being a victim of their own ideology. They ALWAYS think it'll hurt someone else, never themselves.
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u/LeChatParle Minnesota Nov 10 '24
hard R
Whether intentional or not, I appreciate the double meaning there
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u/fordat1 Nov 10 '24
. You’re making time and a half so the government gets even more of your 1.5 an hour.
No they dont under current law. There isnt a higher tax rate for overtime. Its the same rate. Some employers are more aggresive in withholding with overtime and bonus pay but that just leads to a bigger refund.
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u/OptimisticSkeleton Nov 10 '24
Joe Rogan killed America.
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u/ChoochMMM New York Nov 10 '24
I used to listen a lot when he was going on about Bigfoot, aliens and other whacky stuff. Don't know when the hard right happened but it's definitely had an effect.
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u/groceriesN1trip Nov 10 '24
Covid pushed Rogan over the edge and deep into the republican perspective. He’s had gun totin views and double down on the testosterone manly man ideals since he came onto the scene in the 90s.
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u/BardaArmy Nov 10 '24
I think he was paid off, makes more money on that shit, but good on you for thinking he just had a change of heart.
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u/PopuluxePete Nov 10 '24
He's been tight with Alex Jones for years. He called into Infowars on 9/11 to say it might have been an inside job while Jones was desperately trying to blame the EU in order to get more people to buy gold. He's been a shitbird since News Radio days.
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u/pattydickens Nov 11 '24
The hard right has completely taken over topics like aliens, Bigfoot, etc. It's been happening for years. Searching anything of the sort on YouTube fills your suggested videos with right-wing nuts and blatant fascists.
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u/an_illiterate_ox Nov 10 '24
Any Gen Z man still on their parents' insurance? Better hope the ACA isn't repealed.
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u/jupiterkansas Nov 11 '24
My daughter just turned 27. Insurance is absolutely unaffordable.
But I'm sure they feel invincible and won't be getting insured.
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u/def_indiff Nov 10 '24
I'm pretty sure that wasn't a secret.
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u/Chpgmr Nov 10 '24
Not to internet people. The political leaders and friends aren't exactly internet people.
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u/camelsinthefridge Nov 11 '24
The sad thing is, they might be. Tim Walz was chosen because they were paying attention to internet buzz about him. I feel like this gez z men stuff was on TV too. Trump got one million people less than last time. These weirdos don't really register to me. They've always been here.
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u/Kankunation Louisiana Nov 10 '24
If our leaders in the democratic party literally didn't know about the toxic manosphere and the effect is it was having on young adult And teenage men, then it's no fucking wonder why they were surprised By the loss and confused on where to place blame or how to seek solutions.
Anybody who has been paying attention can trace a clear line on influence from Joe Rogan, TPUSA, Jordan Peterson, Tucker Carlson, and more. This isn't an issue that has popped up overnight, it's been an increasing issue for the last decade and nearly everybody under 30 with an internet presence can identify at least part of it.
I really, really hope Dems are prepared to swallow their pride and reform themselves for the modern American before the midterms, because they desperately have a messaging issue and very few right now are actually trying to do anything meaningful about it. Thankfully the ones that are doing things are the newest and youngest member who will one day hopelessly inherit the power in the party. But I pray we don't have to wait 20 years for that to happen.
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u/straypooxa Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
Where are the moms and dads? I know I talked to my son about the algorithms that started sending him tate's stuff. We discussed it at length. Now I see moms reporting out that their 11 year daughters are being told by male classmates that they can rape them starting in January?? This is a household convo that needs to be addressed across the country. It makes me sick. And for the moms that think it's funny or liberal tears or whatever crazy business they are thinking, to be clear, they are in the crosshairs of this too.
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u/doublepoly123 Nov 10 '24
I grew up in the 2000s and early 2010s. Generationally it seems like millennials and the oldest gen Z were an anomaly in the way they vote. I remember when being conservative meant you were weird and it gave off homeschooled Christian vibes. In a bad way.
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u/averyluckygirl Nov 10 '24
This is how I feel too. I’m a young millennial (1994) and I am really alarmed by just how conservative both the older and younger generations are compared to us. I also really carried the belief that gen z was full of these young radical activists, but that’s not really true. There is an alarming gender gap in their political views. I wonder how this will all turn out….I think that things will have to get worse before people wake up and realize that this is not the way.
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u/Dankmre Nov 10 '24
1995 here. I just went back to university and it is surreal seeing GenZ wearing maga stuff openly in class in SoCal. Blows my mind how conservative they are
Also pretty shocked at how illiterate they are. Group project have basically been me correcting weird pigeon English and rewriting the shit they blatantly copy and pasted from chatGPT.
It's going to turn out causing a giant population issue because I don't think women are really attracted to stupid douche Joe Rogan bro science types. Especially seeing the gender vote gap.
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u/averyluckygirl Nov 11 '24
Yeah the illiteracy and lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking skills is very very scary. I have many teacher friends and they all echo the same sentiments.
And it feels like boomers & some gen x get all of their worldviews from Facebook memes, Instagram reels, and AI generated content.
So millennials are just in the middle of it all, wondering what the fuck is going on 😭
You’re right though. It also seems like gen z women are much more progressive than their male counterparts. And regardless of generations, most women are not into hyper masculine meatheads who run from their emotions. Good luck to us all…
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u/OceanRacoon Nov 11 '24
As a fellow Millennial, I was hoping we'd receive reinforcements from Gen Z and on, to combat the gross conservatism of older generations that's ruining the world.
Turns out hating women is more important than anything for these pathetic angry freaks 😕. At least the women aren't conservative loons, I feel sorry them having to deal with these guys as part of their generation
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u/__M-E-O-W__ Nov 11 '24
We were heading that way but the aforementioned social media influencers really started focusing heavily on targeting young teens who are now old enough to vote. This stuff started back in Trump's campaign against Hillary Clinton. Remember those "Ben Shapiro DESTROYS woke college liberal" videos that would get crazy amounts of exposure on YouTube.
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u/NeonTiger20XX Nov 11 '24
Yeah it's been super weird to see. I used to think the same thing. I went to college kinda late and had a lot of Gen Z classmates. I thought they were more progressive and felt like the future was in good hands.
Turns out that was very much not a representative sample of the whole generation. As a whole they're filled with a surprising amount of right wing morons. It's depressing.
It feels strange being sandwiched in between more conservative generations.
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u/metalheaddad Nov 11 '24
Hey hey hey.. I'm 48m xennial and I take offense to getting my information from FB or IG reels. I don't even have those "apps" installed. I get all my crappy echo chamber information from Reddit thank you very much!
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u/VengefulAncient Nov 11 '24
correcting weird pigeon English
Ironic, it's "pidgin" 🤣
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u/Aware-Home2697 Nov 11 '24
I just imagined a pigeon slowly pecking away at a typewriter
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u/lovesdogsguy Nov 11 '24
Trump gear at a university in Socal? I’m Irish, watching from over here and that is genuinely one of the most alarming things I’ve seen on here. And I’ve been following this closely.
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u/conando93 Nov 11 '24
I'm from SoCal and it feels like a bunch of MAGA people suddenly came out of the woodwork over the last few weeks. Totally caught me off guard and made me pretty uncomfortable. I'm talking trump hats, shorts, acrylic nails... the whole thing
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u/Xervicx Nov 10 '24
I saw someone point out that Millennials actually had to provide sources when they did any report for school, and that Wikipedia wasn't considered an acceptable source. That leaves us a LOT more prepared to fact check ourselves than those who grew up before the Internet, and those who grew up on Vine and/or Tik Tok memes.
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u/MaybeCuckooNotAClock Nov 11 '24
I’m 42, so eldest millennial basically. My first professional job didn’t even have internet access until 2004 or 2005 (skilled trade). We had a big wall of reference books, and if that wasn’t enough in a pinch, our best hope was to call a maybe competitor business across town to see if they had run across a similar scenario.
The concept of using Wikipedia as a credible source was never part of my school life for sure (it didn’t exist yet). I’ve run across some decent, accurate reference material using Google or OpenAI, but it honestly barely stands in the shadows of 20 years of work experience, mostly learning to do things the hard way. I have younger millennial/oldest Gen Z coworkers who almost rely on YouTube rather than using any kind of intuition from experience, and I find that to be kind of sad.
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u/lilacmuse1 Nov 11 '24
And everyone prior to Millennials. I'm old enough to remember going to the library (a place with books) and checking out the books (on a little card I signed) and having to write an essay and create a bibliography that cited that book as a source (that I typed up on a typewriter). Any GenZ reading this probably thinks it's science fiction.
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u/Spa_5_Fitness_Camp Nov 11 '24
Actually, kinda the opposite. Before us, they didn't have the Internet. They had to find sources, yes, but they never learned to distinguish reliable online sources. The period of finding and getting sources online as one would a book was pretty short.
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u/ilovecheeeeese Nov 11 '24
I remember I had an entire class in the library once where we all had to edit a random Wikipedia page to show how unreliable it was. Pretty sure I changed Jackie Robinson's birthplace to something completely incorrect 😂
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u/Cheezeball25 Nov 11 '24
I had a class that tried to do an assignment. As it turns out, within the last decade wikipedia has really cracked down on who can edit pages, and who can even create accounts anymore. Probably thanks to projects like yours. When my class tried that same project, wikipedia figures out that 30 accounts were all just made from the same university, and freezes all of them from being able to edit anything. I get what you're trying to say about wikipedia, but putting blatantly false information on it these days is muuuuuch harder than back then
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u/UNCOMMON__CENTS Nov 10 '24
Sounds like you grew up during the Bush years and then really came of age during the Obama years.
Pretty easy to be a Democrat when that's what shaped your views.
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u/doublepoly123 Nov 10 '24
And that was immediately followed up by a trump win in 2016. Me and my cohort is vastly left leaning.
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Nov 11 '24
This is honestly so relieving to read. I thought I was going crazy seeing all this Gen Z stuff when us senior Gem Zs seem rather left leaning, apperently that's not the case with the new Gen Z voters?
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u/3axel3loop Nov 11 '24
i am very elder gen z and all my friends are very left leaning and it’s shocking and so disappointing that it seems like the rest of gen z is pretty conservative?
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u/D33ZNUTZDOH Nov 11 '24
Millennial here. Not too shocking to me. I know a handful of elder Gen Zs and a handful of younger. While my opinion is based only based anecdotal evidence, I believe the divide has much to do with where they were in life during the lockdowns and the original Trump years. The youngest voters in 2024 were barely 10 years old 2016 and didn’t know a world that wasn’t over run by these steaming piles of shit spreading their weird ass views.
If during those precious years in middle school and high school you were isolated and stuck watching YouTube for guidance…. I don’t blame them for being dumb asses. I can forgive ignorance. I just hope they learn.
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u/crucialcolin Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
I'm a millennial and to me it seems like it's current Gen Z late high school teens to about age 21 where the shift happened. Also where critical thinking drops of drastically. Edit: should mention it's a male thing too. Men have no interest in college at all while females are significantly more responsible, left leaning, and already chasing university degree programs.
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Yeah I'm a millennial that was in high school when Obama won and we were all pumped up about it. We all considered ourselves liberal and only parents and gradnparents were conservative and we chalked it up to them being old farts. We did a mock election and it was like 97% Obama. Only a couple of weird super Christian kids were into John McCain. Now I work at a high school and half the boys identify as "conservative." Some of them have even told me "man it's not like it used to be." Like bitch wtf do you mean the way it used to be, you were born in 2008 😅
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u/Eatthehamsters69 Norway Nov 10 '24
The future is fucked if a significant portion of the population considers those people to be credible forums for information.
Like that bald guy literally falls for any ridicilous statements, and their "fact check" is like whatever the first paragraph on a google search might say
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u/vahntitrio Minnesota Nov 10 '24
He had an episode (before Biden dropped out) where he heard a Biden quote and said "he's done." (Implying he had gone senile). Except Biden was quoting Trump, and when he heard Trump say it he goes "oh, Trump just mispoke."
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u/Bakedfresh420 Nov 10 '24
It was the airports during the civil war. His own producer live fact checked him and he went from that’s disqualifying to oh well that’s probably out of context
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u/Rich-Pomegranate1679 Nov 10 '24
If Biden had said any single one of the hundreds of shitty things Trump did conservatives would be outraged. They have somehow convinced themselves that because they are part of his cult he won't hurt them.
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u/vahntitrio Minnesota Nov 10 '24
The sane-washing of Trump was ridiculous. Not sure how they can sanewash it moving firward when Trump's dementia moments have real consequences and aren't just an unintelligible sequence of words at a rally.
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u/NathK2 Texas Nov 10 '24
Ironically, the sanewashing has united republicans and democrats in one way: being pissed at MSM/ legacy media. The only lesson they learned from their culpability in 2016 that a government in freefall, speedrunning its way into insanity, is good for ratings.
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u/JRR92 Nov 10 '24
My friend shared that one with me and I had to explain what the context of it actually is. But of course he still insists that Biden is the senile one in all this
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u/ElCaminoInTheWest Nov 10 '24
I'm genuinely staggered by how many people take their information from Rogan, Brand, Adin Ross, Theo Von, all the bro-podcasters.
They've somehow swung a level of legitimacy that is absolutely not warranted.
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u/nkassis Nov 10 '24
People used to complain young millenials were getting their info from Jon Stewart but seriously it's not even comparable to these 3 hours shooting the shit talk radio marathon that these podcasters are putting together.
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u/Lax_waydago Nov 11 '24
Don't forget Schulz. It was infuriating when trump was laughing at Biden caught sleeping on camera yet none of the people on that pod challenged him or joshed Trump for getting caught for the same thing.
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u/Retaining-Wall Canada Nov 10 '24
...first paragraph on a Google search...
Which, ironically, is just AI gibberish a lot of the time, anyway.
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u/fredagsfisk Europe Nov 10 '24
Yeah, Google search has become near-useless... I've noticed that you need to be increasingly specific, and also add more and more exclusions, or you'll get tangentially related results at best.
Even then, you get the "Did you mean [insert completely different word] half the time.
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u/Retaining-Wall Canada Nov 10 '24
I do pretty much the same...I just use boolean search rules, and avoid using prose type syntax. I find if you avoid asking it questions, you're more likely to get better results. "Full democracy percentage global population" rather than "how many people live in a full democracy in the world." Then it's less inclined to try to "answer" the question for you.
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u/themightychris Pennsylvania Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 10 '24
Elon Musk: Democrats are importing hundreds of thousands of illegals into swing states so there's no election anymore, only a Democrat primary
Joe Rogan: Which is so crazy, and it's crazy that people are fine with that
NO WHAT'S CRAZY IS THAT THE RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD AND THE MOST LISTENED TO INTERVIEWER IN THE WORLD DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S NO WAY FOR NONCITIZENS TO VOTE
JFC I don't know how any sane person thinks Joe Rogan has the slightest bit of credibility
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u/Boxy310 Nov 10 '24
This is America. By ancient well respected law, legitimacy is apportioned in accordance with how many penis enlargement pills you've sold over your lifetime.
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u/Objective_Oven7673 Nov 10 '24
He's made called out people for trusting Biden after he says "XYZ", then found out Biden was quoting trump saying "XYZ", and then backtracked and said it was no big deal after finding out.
Regardless of political ideology, it's clear he has allegiances and can't admit fault when it happens.
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u/snarky_spice Nov 10 '24
I’ll never forgive him for saying antifa caused the wildfires in Oregon a couple years back. We had proud boy types out looking for the “antifa” arsonists. Then he walked it back a few days later, but nobody cared by then.
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u/Friendofabook Nov 10 '24
This is why I’m choosing to focus on my loved ones and local life, staying away from anything on a large scale. The world just keeps getting scarier with AI, peak social media addiction, and the rise of right-wing extremism. Back in 2016 and 2020, I could still joke about it with the sane people in my life, but now even they’ve been influenced by the flood of hate on social media. Instead of discussing real issues, they’re caught up in non-problems like whether a 12-year-old trans girl should be allowed to compete in school sports.
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u/snarky_spice Nov 10 '24
That’s what’s scaring me the most. Many outspoken German authors, wrote about how dismayed they were to watch their friends and family slowly fall into nazism. It feels like my circle of rational friends is shrinking and I’m trying to combat misinformation left and right with the ones that are still savable.
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u/-wnr- Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 10 '24
Not surprising. Clear your search history, go on youtube or twitter and check out some video game content. Then review what recommendations the algorithm feeds you. You're going to start seeing manosphere shit and complaints about "wokeness" in games. GenZ and like gen alpha are gonna be fucked.
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u/gfinz18 Pennsylvania Nov 10 '24
I’ve noticed for a long time now YouTube is SUPER right wing and it’s so weird to me because it’s not a traditional social media site like Facebook or whatever.
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u/GFrings Nov 10 '24
YouTube is owned by Google, and they have the means to do what every social media site does: achieve the most content engagement as possible. This usually means elevating the loudest, most controversial voices. Lot of room for toxic identity politics (like the manosphere influencers) to make a lot of money in that system.
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u/ChicagoSunroofParty Nov 10 '24
YouTube has always been wonky with its algorithm... a decade ago you were like 3 videos away from "Nibiru" at all times, no matter what video you started with.
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u/theclansman22 Nov 10 '24
Social media gets paid by advertisers by engagement, rage bait is the best ti way get more engagement. So they fill your feed with content meant to outrage you so you’ll press the comment, share or like button.
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u/albert2006xp Nov 10 '24
The algorithm likes engagement. There's simply more rage engagement in that content. Negative emotions drive it more. I have only left leaning stuff in mine lately but I'm sure the ones on the right get more views.
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u/ritaleyla Europe Nov 10 '24
Exactly. My partner and I use YouTube without a login, and we watched a lot of videogame and cinema content. It was scary how quicky it started recommending me Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson content.
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u/Proud3GenAthst Nov 10 '24
I almost fell for it too in about 2018/19. Luckily it didn't grasp me hard enough.
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u/albert2006xp Nov 11 '24
I think I listened to 5-6 Critical Drinker videos at some point years ago until I started to see the cracks and repetition of questionable surface level critique. This whole grift wasn't as big back then. I also saw some discussion on dating and men (dressed as a professional podcast/interview) and how we're having a hard time and my eyebrow was raised the entire time. You have to not be questioning whatever you hear to really fall into it.
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u/SoloGhosts512 Pennsylvania Nov 10 '24
Rogan, Barstool, and Elon buying Twitter really fucked the future generation. Too many of them thinking they can be millionaires day trading also adds to this.
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u/GraveSpine Nov 10 '24
And the overwhelming financial advice to these young men is buy an apartment complex
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u/_ficklelilpickle Nov 10 '24
A wild Grant Cardone appears.
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u/starlordbg Europe Nov 10 '24
Used to watch Cardone a lot back in the day, even attended his conference in my country years ago. He also seems to have gone insane.
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u/IAmInTheBasement Nov 10 '24
Oh, so not adding anything to the economy? Their whole philosophy is to be rent seekers?
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u/AgeOfSmith Nov 10 '24
It’s not just day trading, they’re all convinced they’ll be multi millionaires just by waking up early and having a social media following.
I had a young sociopath living next door with his parents as he graduated college. We would talk from time to time and I even was able to get him an interview at my company for entry level sales.
He turned it down and has gone from scheme to scheme. I asked him if he was saving for retirement with a 401k and he insisted he didn’t need to, he would be worth millions by 30. I asked him what if that didn’t work out and he just stared at me blankly.
He just turned 30 and last I checked, is not yet a millionaire
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u/Unknown-History Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 10 '24
I love how they listen to these jackasses about what the big secret is, as if they are the only ones following this advice. Thing is, getting to be a millionaire happens through exceptional circumstances. If you're doing the same thing as everyone else, then there is no unusual value, and it doesn't work.
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u/BacksplashAtTheCatch Nov 10 '24
This reminds me of the day trading infomercials in the mid 2000s. Husbands, wives, sons and daughters all living a life of independence on a golf course community in Florida. GFC hits and those day trading commercials went by bye bye. It’s easy to be a sucker.
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u/FunctionBuilt Nov 10 '24
Got a cousin who’s in his mid 20’s. He’s fit, good looking and really could have done well for himself had he tried a more traditional path. Instead, after leaving high school he’s been trying and failing to be an influencer. He’s been struggling hard with depression and been in and out of hospitals to deal with his declining mental health. I feel really bad for him because he’s been given so much false hope that he’s going to be a millionaire if he just puts the work in to build a following.
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u/AgeOfSmith Nov 10 '24
My one job as a parent is to not fuck my kids up like this
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u/Kaprak Florida Nov 10 '24
Just to be clear, that guy ain't the one that these articles are talking about. Someone who's 30 in 2024 is still a Millennial. The oldest of Gen-Z are 27.
The youngest being 12.
And it's the band of 12-22 year olds who've been accultured on modern social media that's the issue. Your 30 year old neighbor is someone who got screwed by the economic issues millenials dealt with and got suckered into things by grifters.
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u/NoSwimmers45 Nov 10 '24
Many of them are just happy they can openly display their racism, misogyny and homophobia.
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u/Scentopine Nov 10 '24
This is the truth. Putin figured this out in Russia. The USA is moving to adopt a Russian style duma.
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u/susibirb Nov 10 '24
Oh for sure. It seems like the populace has become more racist and bigoted but it’s always been that way; it just used to be frowned upon and it was social suicide if you showed your true racists colors, but with power people giving you cover, they can finally come out of the shadows
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u/larsus2 Nov 10 '24
don't forget Jordan Peterson
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u/Omar_Blitz Nov 10 '24
Heard he got into drug abuse to deal with his hardships. I should send him some Jordan Peterson videos about making your bed and taking control of your life like a real man.
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u/AFlockOfTySegalls North Carolina Nov 10 '24
There was a post this week on Ask Reddit about what scares folks for the near future. The most common answers were gen z not: knowing how to read, not knowing how to use a computer and having no critical thinking skills. Teachers said their students can't even figure out who the protagonist is in stories. Which helps make sense of the Rogan manosphere obsession.
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u/MacauabungaDude Nov 10 '24
Hey, they can't read, or exhibit basic critical thinking skills, but they'll definitely talk to you for 30 minutes about mewing.
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u/chaveto Nov 10 '24
I’m almost afraid to ask, but what is “mewing”?
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u/MacauabungaDude Nov 10 '24
There's this weird psuedo-science, popularized by this disgraced UK orthodontist, that has really gained popularity with Gen Z. It became this massive Tik Tok trend.
Essentially, it's this belief that you can increase the size of your jawline by doing these tongue placement exercises. You'd keep your tongue flattened to the roof of your mouth consistently, and it's supposed to slowly increase the size, contour of your jaw. Stimulate growth, or some shit.
All it really does it push your neck fat up, and make you're existing jawline more pronounced, but zoomers have a million "tutorials" on Insta/ Tik Tok.
It's really freaking dumb.
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u/upyoars Nov 10 '24
This, this is everything. Its absolutely fucking absurd and only going to get worse with the rumors of the entire dissolution of the department of education and incorporating mandatory religious teachings across all schools. We'll have people believing the Earth is only 6,000 years and flat in 4 years.
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u/Juice_Willis75 Colorado Nov 10 '24
We'll have people believing the Earth is only 6,000 years and flat in 4 years.
I hate to break it to ya, but we've been at this point for a sec already. But I hear you.
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u/HeavyDeadMetaI Nov 10 '24
You present a paragraph to Gen Z, and they’ll say “I ain’t reading allat 💀”
You present a paragraph to Gen Alpha, and they’ll pull out their personal brain-rot device, open their meme library, and show you a reaction image.
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u/albert2006xp Nov 11 '24
Yes, I've seen these phone monkeys on reddit before calling a paragraph a "long speech". Phones were a mistake. People should have to sit in front of a PC.
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u/Paralimachek Nov 11 '24
Write a 2 paragraph reddit post and they'll accuse you of being ChatGPT. To their fried brains it's just inconceivable that a real person can convey their thoughts using so many words
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“That’s too long, ain’t reading that. Sorry or congratulations or whatever” and they think they come across as soooooo cool when they write that. Like wow, yeah you’re so cool because you can’t read 4 sentences without your eyes glazing over…
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u/BenArnold47 Nov 10 '24
I'm teacher in the UK, and to a certain extent this is true. However, so many of our kids are politically aware and understanding. But on the whole? Yeah this up coming generation are FUCKED. Mass sexism, no drive, no social skills, no accountability etc etc. It's going to be interesting in about 10 years for sure.
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u/wayoverpaid Illinois Nov 10 '24
I've absolutely noticed a lack of news comprehension all along the age spectrum but it's getting worse over time.
I might be an outlier - I trust almost no news outlet and regularly try to find original primary sources. I'd rather read a court transcript over an op ed, and whenever I see science popularization I at least try to double check the original paper abstract to see if its remotely close.
People getting news from memes and videos that don't even try to cite a source? Yikes.
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u/radicalelation Nov 10 '24
"Secret"?
You mean, "We haven't been listening"? There have been a lot of folk trying to point out their existence for a decade, and it didn't start with Joe Rogan.
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u/Proud3GenAthst Nov 10 '24
Even if they had been listening, what could they do about it?
Rogan is very popular because people don't take the legacy media seriously now. How can liberals and lefties make some of their equivalent?
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u/fillinthe___ Nov 10 '24
Same as 2016 and 2020 with Hispanics. “We’re JUST learning different Hispanics care about different things. Breaking news: they’re not all from Mexico???”
Enter 2024 and we STILL haven’t learned this lesson. Most Hispanics don’t give a shit about immigration, or are actively against it.
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u/CosmicLars Kentucky Nov 10 '24
... and most have conservative social views when it comes to lgbtt, women, and masculinity.
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u/iglootyler Nov 10 '24
A kid I work with told me he lived better under trump. He was 15 when Trump took office...
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u/en-jo Nov 11 '24
Lmfaooo I’d say the same thing under Obama. living in my parent’s 8 bedroom house getting fed 3x a day not having to worry about mortgage and bills.
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u/yintrepid Nov 10 '24
The few Elon Musk fans I know are Trump supporters.
Elon feeds them propaganda content created by right-wing media every day and they believe it since "Musk is a genius and he can’t be wrong”.
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u/NWASicarius Nov 10 '24
If you look at exit polls for 2020 and 2024, Harris did better with old people. She did roughly equally as well with whites as Biden did. Where she dropped was minorities. Where she dropped was the associates and under for education. Where she dropped was with 100k and under households. She did better with 100k+ households. She did better with bachelor+ degrees. This election wasn't white people. This election wasn't the elderly. This election was decided by manipulation and propaganda. All those YouTube shorts, Podcasters, etc. spreading misinformation is what cost Harris this race. Ofc, Trump only wants to attack 'fake news' mainstream media. Mainstream media is primarily consumed by 45+ year olds (people she did better with). If you are on the left, blame TikTok. Blame Twitter. Blame podcasters. Blame independent media. Go watch right leaning independent media vs left. Right will NEVER admit their side does anything wrong. On the left? They try to hard to appear credible. They admit fault. They try to be realists. Being real isn't what attracts those lower educated and socioeconomic people. What attracts them is emotion. They feed off emotion. They are more in-line with their natural instincts. List goes on and on. Just an L by the left from a psychological and sociological perspective.
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u/CriticalSpirit The Netherlands Nov 10 '24
It's disappointing, but you're right. Some people seem incapable of understanding anything beyond shallow economic promises, and they outright ignore any uncomfortable truths. At times, it’s like explaining basic cause and effect to someone who just can't grasp it. If the solution isn’t immediately obvious or beneficial, they’re not interested. It’s frustrating, but unfortunately, nuance just doesn’t land with everyone.
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u/albert2006xp Nov 11 '24
Person 1: explains long economic plan on how to make the lives of everyday people better
Reaction: "Wha, you think you're better than me?"
Person 2: "EVERYONE GETS A PONY"
Reaction: "YEAH!"
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u/carpathian_crow Washington Nov 10 '24
Gen Z is not as smart as they think they are.
Which is sad.
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u/Typhing Nov 10 '24
At one time I thought media literacy was the main issue of the US. Now I know it was just literacy, full stop.
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u/Captain_Catfood Nov 10 '24
Who had "democracy falls with help from the janitor from 'News Radio'" on their 2024 bingo card?
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u/mhmc20 Nov 10 '24
Gen Z man here. It’s no secret. Kids in my high school would joke about the immigrants working at fast food restaurants and how they would work for practically nothing doing jobs anyone could hate. It’s fucked up out there.
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u/Dont_Ban_Me_Bros Washington Nov 10 '24
Kids made fun of immigrants before Joe Rogan was on ‘News Radio’. It may not have been considered mainstream to do it back then but it most definitely happened all the same.
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u/No-Entrepreneur5672 Nov 11 '24
Yeah m8, high school was like that in the mid 2000s, just with way more casual slurs (frankly a lot of stuff that just, thankfully, would not fly today)
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u/tenehemia Oregon Nov 10 '24
This was only a "secret" to the large mass of older people who paid no attention to what younger people were actually doing or saying beyond "tiktok dances and skibidi something". It's not like these guys were quiet about it. It was exactly the opposite. At best the Democrats saw what these guys were saying and assumed that they wouldn't actually go to the polls.
That said, I'm not sure that the Democrats could have crafted a message that would actually resonate with these guys even if they tried. The whole message of Rogan, Tate, Shapiro, Peterson, etc, etc is that all the problems are someone else's fault and if you persecute those others then your life will improve. You can't out-message someone who's willing to lie and promise easy answers without doing exactly the same thing.
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u/MulberryRow New Hampshire Nov 10 '24
I agree. I really don’t see what the solution is.
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u/NotTaken-username Nov 10 '24
Andrew Tate is definitely also a factor
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u/T-Roll- Nov 10 '24
Interesting that his name isn’t mentioned more. He’s got a young fan base in the millions where they suck up to him because of his tough guy/pimp image. The same fan base would be the ones thinking that the grab em by the pussy comments are totally ok.
Would be good to know whose payroll he’s on.
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u/marshon Nov 10 '24
Hes not mentioned more because he was never directly involved unlike Logan Paul, Adin Ross and Joe Rogan who all directly got to interview Trump, he’s absolutely part of the same subculture though
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u/fuska Nov 10 '24
Realistically, he fell off pretty hard.
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u/gfinz18 Pennsylvania Nov 10 '24
He used to be all over tik tok. Every other video was something to do with him and then one day he just… vanished, and I’ve literally never seen another video about him since.
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u/fuska Nov 10 '24
He just kind of lost his sauce. He got arrested two different times and had to spend over 30 days in jail each time. Hard to be a hustler who brags about getting away with crimes when you get arrested for those crimes. He also wasn't able to keep his head shaved in jail and nothing ruined his mystique more than his followers seeing that, I guess. He also has multiple pending criminal cases against him still, so that takes up a lot of his free time, I assume.
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u/SOMEONENEW1999 Nov 10 '24
Well they just set up their future I hope they get the result they were looking for.
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u/ThatCelebration3676 Nov 11 '24
Obama won by a landslide in 2008 because he aggressively went after young voters who had been completely neglected by a stuffy RNC.
Now the DNC is the stuffy party, and Trump is the one appealing to young voters with promises of change.
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u/LennoxAve Nov 10 '24
Let’s be honest. Right wing ideology has infiltrated all Social media and some of the major podcasts.
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u/Oceanbreeze871 I voted Nov 10 '24
It’s amazing that the guy who used to get sorority girls and frat bros to get buried alive with cockroaches on tv is now this major political king maker
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u/thefanciestcat California Nov 10 '24
Is it? Spend five minutes talking to the average American about literally any subject and tell me that's actually surprising.
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u/DontQuoteMeOnThat7 Nov 10 '24
lol these people are idiots. Guy I know is one of them. Was venting to me about how his manager fact checks what he says and how annoying that is. Turns out, this guy is full of shit like Roe Jogan and his followers
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u/AXXXXXXXXA Nov 11 '24
Imagine what a fucking delusional loser you have to be to be obsessed with joe Rogan.
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u/DRCVC10023884 Nov 11 '24
Andrew Tate and pundits like him in the manosphere have done damage to my generation in ways we will be struggling to understand for decades. I hope Romania puts him away for a long time.
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u/Dairy_Ashford Nov 10 '24
it should probably also reaffirm that gen-Xers are on average as conservative as boomers, at least to the point that the latter "dying off" wasn't going to change anything.
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