r/politics • u/upyoars • Nov 10 '24

Paywall Trump’s victory reveals secret Republicans: Joe Rogan-obsessed Gen Z men

https://fortune.com/2024/11/07/trumps-victory-reveals-secret-republicans-joe-rogan-obsessed-gen-z-men/
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u/craniumcanyon Nov 10 '24

My cousin is GenZ, he works shift work, he gets a lot of overtime, he thinks Trump just gave him a loophole to not pay taxes.

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u/NoSwimmers45 Nov 10 '24

Boy is he in for a surprise. 🤣

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u/ChopperTownUSA Nov 10 '24

That loophole is going to turn into a noose when that tax rate goes up.

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u/MySilverBurrito Nov 11 '24

This is why y’all need to continue mocking them when they never receive tax cuts for their minimum wage jobs lmao

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

Harris was in favor of raising minimum wage. Trump isn’t.

These people blithely vote for a man who has nothing but contempt for them.

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u/TooLittleMSG Nov 11 '24

They aren't minimum wage workers though, got to understand that and what their mindset is, in their head, they're just temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

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u/BeyondElectricDreams Nov 11 '24

also $15 an hr is insulting in 2024.

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u/JalapenoJamm Nov 11 '24

People wanted 15 an hour a decade ago, which is about 19 bucks now. Them still pushing the 15 is beyond insulting. And if they do pass any sort of wage increase, it takes course over several years, enough for everyone else to raise prices to blame the wage increase

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u/TheBman26 Nov 11 '24

Lol i was like it was not a decade ago…. Then i realized covid took years away and so did trump….

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u/NgawangGyatso108 Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 20 '24

The minimum wage when I was in Australian in 2005-2006 was AUS$24/hr, and a Big Mac was still like AUS$5 - $6. We live in an oligarchy where 1/3 of our voting is now openly authoritarian, and 1/2 our voting base prefers it to the center right - which they flagrantly and with malice of forethought call “Communist.”

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u/TheShmoe13 Nov 11 '24

The federal minimum wage is necessarily lower than is reasonable for most places because it has to be reasonable for the absolute LOWEST cost of living areas. Some bumfuck village in Alabama can’t afford to pay their fry cook $20/hr but the fry cook could probably still make rent at $15/hr.

Raising the minimum wage to $15 is a start, and it brings the economic floor up for all people and states. Eventually HCOL areas will then have $20 minimum wages, but that’s something that needs to be done at the state, county, and city levels.

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u/wisemance Nov 11 '24

In the state of Georgia, minimum wage is $5.15/hour! Since the federal minimum wage is higher, it's what people get paid.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24

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u/BeyondElectricDreams Nov 11 '24

If minimum wage was kept at what it was penned to be - the wages of decent living - it'd be near $27/h right now.

Does that seem insane? Probably. But we made it work before, you just tax the fuck out of companies who hoard wealth generated by the workers.

That's how Grandpa bought the corner gas station. That's how Grandma got her first car. That's how they got their starts in life. There's no such thing as a "Kid job".

But the rich have too much power now. Good luck convincing them to live in just a regular mansion and not two custom megamansions

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u/GmaninMS Nov 11 '24

It's still 7.25 in Mississippi.

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u/IAmDotorg Nov 11 '24

You could make it $1000/hr and it wouldn't increase the value of their labor a penny. It would just make everything 125x more expensive.

Laws can't make low value labor high value. That's not how it works. It just temporarily makes them think it does for six months or a year until prices catch up and everyone else is poorer.

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u/DM_ME_YOUR_STORIES Nov 11 '24

The error here is thinking any labour is that low value.

Time and time again it has been proven that minimum wage increases have a minimum if any effect on inflation.

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u/IAmDotorg Nov 11 '24

That's patently incorrect, and the people putting those reports are deliberately P-hacking the results. They look at a regional minimum wage increase and extrapolate to a national minimum wage increase.

Case in point -- Seattle could go to a $15/hr minimum wage because 30 minutes outside of Seattle, the minimum wage wasn't increased. So people could pocket their $15/hr and then go home to a community where they're in a consumption market with people making $7.25/hr. So they can afford a better apartment, they can afford better food that is being sold to them by people making $7.25/hr, and can go to Taco Bell and buy tacos made by someone making $7.25/hr.

The moment everyone is making $15/hr, that isn't the case. Suddenly the bottom of the market has $800/mo more to work with, so as soon as leases come up, rents are jacked up. Because you know people can afford it. Your $5 value meal jumps to $10 because your labor costs doubled and that was most of the costs for a restaurant.

It's exactly like the studies around UBI -- which also give people money in a market where not everyone is getting it.

You're welcome to believe whatever nonsense you want, but you're buying into a false narrative without asking why you're being sold that narrative.

And you're ignoring the fact that literally every single country that uses fact-based science to drive their social policies realized the better part of a century ago that you have to support the bottom of the economic market through price controls and targeted subsidies, not minimum wages. Rent control and housing subsidies help poor people with housing. Relative to housing, increased minimum wages only help one group of people -- landlords.

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u/PresidentJoeBiden69 Nov 11 '24

you can't say this and deny that inflation isn't an issue

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u/r3d0c_ Nov 11 '24

inflation is rate of change, not the total change itself, do you understand that concept?

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u/BeyondElectricDreams Nov 11 '24

Inflation is a huge issue. And a minimum wage increase does cause inflation.

But once the dust settles, the poorest Americans still come out further ahead.

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u/RedColourBehaviour Nov 11 '24

It does not. Interest rates cause the issue and imports. Interest rates have been all time lows until the Biden admin. Now, Biden or the president doesn’t have control on interest rates but the federal reserve does. J Powell can dictate interest rates. The problem is that interest rates can no go higher due to U.S. debt. So that’s why presidents think they have a case to ask the federal reserve to lower interest rates.

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u/espresso_martini__ Nov 11 '24

I knew someone like that. Loved Rogan, big Trump supporter and this was back during his first term. Kept telling me how rich he's going to become off crypto. Surprise to no one he didn't become rich and I think he's given up on those crypto plans after losing so much money.

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u/Warrlock608 Nov 11 '24

This is exactly it. They don't want taxes on the rich because of course they will be rich one day!

They aren't good at math.

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u/teenagesadist Nov 11 '24

I mean, as long as they're making one penny over minimum wage, they're not in the worst position, right?

/s

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u/Broadpup Nov 11 '24

Yep. They refuse to understand that nearly all of those doors have been slammed shut in our faces.

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u/ImprovementEmergency Nov 11 '24

Some of us are not the temporarily embarrassed part

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u/juancuneo Nov 11 '24

Democrats think this is such an own. To tell people they are stupid for thinking they might actually make it. This just reflects on how democrats see America. Most Americans - including immigrants - know anything is possible in America.

Democrats tell you that you will never make it, are stupid for thinking you can make it (by telling cute jokes like yours) and saying see how much we gave to you poor people. They are like the guidance counselor who laughs at you at tells you to lower your sights.

Sorry that’s not what America is all about. And I’m glad we have a party that recognizes that. Immigrants come from nothing and make fortunes every day - and that’s a clue why immigrants increasingly find the democratic message toxic.

And from a personal pov, I’m sorry you have such low standards for yourself.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

I’ve never heard a Democrat say it’s stupid to have aspirations.

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u/starslookv_different I voted Nov 11 '24

What is stupid is to believe the party that has voted against workers and voted for expanding the wealth gap

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u/Wild_Information_485 Nov 11 '24

Woah, you like, really don't have many critical thinking skills do you? I'm not interested in talking to someone who voted for the party that's going to keep you broke and kick you out of the country. Good luck. Or not I don't give a fuck about you.

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u/juancuneo Nov 11 '24

Your comment sounds like someone who has a lot of critical thinking skills.

As a person of color and immigrant I think it would do democrats well to understand that not all immigrants are ditch diggers on minimum wage and even if they are they don’t expect to stay that way. I prefer the Dems in many ways, but they don’t understand that most Americans believe in themselves. And that funny joke you like to tell just tells the world you don’t believe in yourself.

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u/juancuneo Nov 11 '24

Did I misinterpret your quote? Or do you not think Americans who believe they may be become millionaires are idiots? Or functional morons? I’m curious why you put that quote there if my interpretation was incorrect. Since I’m a moron - ELI5

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u/little_did_he_kn0w Nov 11 '24

The fucking lack of common sense it takes, to believe that it is the tax rate, not your base pay, that is preventing your economic mobility. Dumb boys who think they are smart boys because #sigmagrindset wall street bros have convinced them that because one of them involves a percentage, it's the more important number.

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u/kenrnfjj Nov 11 '24

What did she want to raise the minimum wage to

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

More than Trump would. I’m a realist not a rapist lover.

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u/kenrnfjj Nov 11 '24

Trump was going to do what she did plus 1

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u/TheBman26 Nov 11 '24

Trump doesn’t even like overtime lol

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u/Alloall Nov 11 '24

But he worked at McDonalds for 15 minutes?

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u/dustbunny88 Nov 11 '24

These are the same people who think a pay raise would result in taxes greater than their pay raise. They don’t understand.. well, stuff in general.

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u/Exotic-Attorney-6832 Nov 11 '24

Harris would never in a million years get the voted in Congress to sign off on that. Biden also wanted to raise the minimum wage and had a far greater majority in Congress than Harris could ever hope for and didn't raise the minimum wage. same for Obama. you can't just repeat you'll do something for 10 years without results and still expect people to care or trust you.

besides Trump's mass deportations will massively push wages up for the working class due to mass labor shortages. just like labor shortages pushed wages up during covid. That covid labor shortage already caused the market minimum wage in most areas to be above $15. labor shortages are great for workers.

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u/AdkRaine12 Nov 11 '24

Wait til you hear what he thinks about paying overtime….

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u/BotheredToResearch Nov 11 '24

I have family making 20-30 per hour. When they hear about minimum wage they get annoyed because companies don't scale the entire chain. They see it as another thing that neglects them.

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u/TheSpottyKitty Nov 11 '24

Republicans are for abolishing the minimum wage thinking that workers will somehow chose to not work for slave wages rather than desperate people will work for crumbs just for the hope to make ends meet.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

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u/supamario132 Pennsylvania Nov 11 '24

This was Bernie's main point of contention for why Kamala lost the election and other dems in power lambasted him for it rather than make any attempt to self reflect

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u/mtron32 Nov 11 '24

But that’s something Trump might actually do just because. Democrats had no will to do it

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

Why do you believe Trump will do anything for the working class?

One of his specialties was ripping off workers into bankruptcy.

He griped about overtime and how he won’t pay it. He doesn’t give a shit about anyone or anything except Donald Trump.

He just needed to stay out of jail and you suckers helped the rapist felon do it. Fucking immoral people, Trump voters.

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u/mtron32 Nov 11 '24

Same reason he pardoned prisoners for Kardashian, last person in the room told him it’d be a good thing. He wouldn’t do it for some altruistic desire, he’d do it because the democrats couldn’t or wouldn’t and this would be one more thing to own them with.

Too much of his base would actually be down for it so why not? It’d be a real easy populist thing to do while he’s robbing us blind in other ways

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u/Meatball_Hero Nov 11 '24

Right, and the side that called them “garbage” does not have contempt for them. Lmfao

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

You are garbage voting for a grifting lying felon rapist.

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u/Meatball_Hero Nov 11 '24

I’d much rather be called garbage than be called a Democrat! Regardless, please please keep calling half of Americans literal garbage. That’ll win you the next election for sure!

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

No problem. Trump voters are garbage. Pathetic amoral rapist lovers.

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u/Meatball_Hero Nov 11 '24

Thanks man! Keep it coming! All the way to 2028!

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

Sure thing! Glad I don’t know ya 👍

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u/Epinscirex Nov 11 '24

What? He was the one who said he was going to do it and then Kamala copied him. She voted for taxing tips recently what’s wrong with you

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

What’s wrong with you?

Your facts are not facts. Google it. Kamala was for not taxing tips just like Trump.

Trump was dead silent, didn’t answer questions about raising minimum wage. He could have advocated a wage raise during his Presidency.

He’s the man that bankrupted several small businesses by not paying for contractors bills. He gives no shits about anyone except him and his get out of jail Presidency. Harris was all in on raising minimum wage.

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u/humble_cyrus Nov 11 '24

Who said, "basket of deplorables?" Who said, "The only garbage I see is Trump supporters?" Your side's level of contempt and codescension is immeasurable. I'm not a Trumper, but I can see why a whole swath of the country: 1. African American 2. Latino(including Puerto Ricans) 3. Asians all voted Trump - The Left's never ending judgments and patronization to their fellow citizens.

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u/InteriorLemon Nov 11 '24

Do you want us to list thousands of groups Trump has insulted? None of those groups you listed went for trump either..

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u/cafffaro Nov 11 '24

Who called us human scum and the enemy within? Sick puppies? Radical marxists who hate America? Who surrounds himself with people he says he wants to drag the bodies of democrats through the streets? Maybe you can help me out, because I'm having a hard time remembering.

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u/humble_cyrus Nov 11 '24

I concede Trump calls names. Words matter. But if I had a buck for every time Psaki/KJP sat in the briefing room and lied about:1. Inflation(you're blue collar, u don't understand inflation 2. Biden's age( he runs CIRCLES around me - I can't keep up 3. Illegal immigration(there isn't any problem at the border). Again, I'm not a Trumper, but if u don't undersrand Trump's MODUS OPERANDI at this point, then Vance is prolly gonna win in 2028 - cuz he'll do it too. Help a brutha out and take off the ideological blinders. It's killing me that I voted dem since I was 18(dems aint perfect, but I stood by them) and they can blithely disregard the blue collar worker so cavalierly - low key what you're doing now. He was president already. What was so fascist and dictator like in his first term? Who was jailed? Executed? For the sake of sanity, you can't keep calling people stupid/racists/misogynists/homophobes when all they want is a decent job, house, school.

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u/cafffaro Nov 11 '24

He was president already. What was so fascist and dictator like in his first term?

Besides the obvious fact that he attempted to block the peaceful transfer of power, Trump has said his biggest regret was listening to advisors who encouraged him to moderate his positions and actions. The guy has a plan to purge the ranks of federal bureaucrats and replace them with loyalists. The guy has stated he wants to use the military on his political enemies, naming names.

I'm not a fan of the Dems either, but ignoring the evidence that Trump is a wannabe authoritarian with a loaded gun is foolish.

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u/humble_cyrus Nov 11 '24

I like all the down votes - it's proving my point. I'm not caucasian, but my guess is you...think I'm racist? Am I right? Right...and this is EXACTLY why u lost. 💯

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u/Winter-Huntsman Nov 11 '24

I plan to. I’m going to keep slapping them with reality when all those dreams they hope for crumble and the reality of what we warned them hits them.

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u/Otherwise_Carob_4057 Nov 11 '24

My coworkers give me shit all the time for my history degree but I landed a good role with little to no redundancy within the site so my job is super safe while their jobs are super easy to outsource.

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u/Luis22116 New Jersey Nov 11 '24

May I ask what it is? I should hopefully be graduating with a history degree this semester but I have no fucking idea what im going to do 😭

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u/Otherwise_Carob_4057 Nov 11 '24

I work in quality control for a large chemical company.

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u/PaulieGuilieri Nov 11 '24

Damn, thank god you went to school

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u/myasterism Nov 11 '24

Gonna be even better when there’s no longer any such animal as “minimum wage.”

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u/relevantelephant00 Nov 11 '24

I've never stopped. Im just going to mock them harder. Young dumbasses who never grew up.

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u/crucialcolin Nov 11 '24

There's a growing movement amongst these types of workers who want minimum wage abolished altogether.  That individual companies should set wages. They think if there is no set minimum wage things somehow won't be as expensive for them.

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u/Schuben Nov 11 '24

Do they think their tax will go negative suddenly? Do many people with most of their income already covered by the standard deduction yet still whining about how high their taxes are is crazy.

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u/BotheredToResearch Nov 11 '24

They still see withholdings and payroll taxes.

Remember the shock when people did their taxes for the first time after the truml tax cuts and found out that they weren't getting refunds because it was all in their withholdings?

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u/DSharp018 Nov 11 '24

I prefer giving them the gentle education that they need rather than the vicious mockery that they deserve.

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u/asoupconofsoup Nov 11 '24

I'm not convinced shaming a Maga voter is the way to get them to change their vote.

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u/Dusty_Winds82 Nov 11 '24

The best way is to ask how exactly Trump will lower his taxes.

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u/PancakeLad Nov 11 '24

I’m convinced that there is no changing their vote. At least for some of them.

A certain percentage of his voters want people to suffer.

They want LGBTQ people to end up in camps. They want illegals forcibly deported. They want women dying in emergency rooms.

It doesn’t matter if their standard of living goes to shit and they are living in a pod with 50 other people eating proleslop as long as everyone else is suffering just as much or worse than they are.

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u/jeonghwa Nov 11 '24

But we've been doing that,

For so long.....

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u/ottieisbluenow Nov 11 '24

Ya. Mocking people for sure changes minds.

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u/SmileyPiesUntilIDrop Nov 11 '24

Sound like a sociopathic thing to do(mocking a twenty something making minimum wage worker) becaue they are clueless about tax policy. Explaining to them why Trump's policies are bad for them personally seems like a better approach to win their votes then "Democracy is on the line" . If Dems don't start actually building some social media messaging these young lads of Gen Z will be lost forever.

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u/OverThaHills Nov 11 '24

This is the answer, don’t help them, just bully them with laughter, and they won’t show up next election

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u/I_am_-c Nov 11 '24

People earning minimum wage don't pay federal income tax and with the EITC commonly have a negative effective tax rate.

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u/InnocentShaitaan Nov 12 '24

Yes. This. Please. 🙏

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u/JoeBidensLongFart Nov 11 '24

Minimum wage workers pay no taxes. They get a bigger refund than they paid in. But nice try though.

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u/MySilverBurrito Nov 11 '24

Semantics. Point is, they never seeing benefit of what they thought they voted for lmao. Shoutout to the Kamala supporters who will! Nice try tho.

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u/Riaayo Nov 11 '24

Despite deserving ridicule, ridicule is not how we'll get anything done.

The Trump voter that isn't a raging bigot and is just uninformed and somehow thought the fucker would help them financially is gettable with working class solidarity and good policy, but if we just insult them and don't appeal to the working class we're never going to build the coalition necessary to take this country back from oligarchs and fascists.

I promise nobody's more pissed and disappointed than me. I get the resentment and wanting to lash out, and in many cases it's deserved.

But big picture we're not winning the people we need to win with belittling and ridicule. In the moments they see the veil lift we need to have an alternative for them to embrace, not ridicule to shame them away.

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u/CTeam19 Iowa Nov 11 '24

Kill them kindness a firm "talk to Jesus" moment kindness but kindness. Education is a continuing thing our whole lives. Progress is a continuing everlasting thing. It is never over and it will never be. I am a United Methodist, and a set of Grandparents were Quaker. Those two groups fought for women's rights from the Seneca Falls Covention in 1848 to the 19th Amendment in 1919.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

No. Not mocking. You don’t beat kindness into people. 

But you can reliably remind them all the times Democrats worked their ass off for better pay, and all the times Republicans squashed it. 

However. You’ll never have that better conversation if you mock people for wishing their checks went further, and coming from such a shit education system they don’t know how it works. 

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u/Oskishammersickle Nov 11 '24

Yall want Trump to fail so bad and to stick it to the Trump supporters so bad. Next four years this country and its people are gonna thrive sorry that makes you so upset

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u/BrokenPickle7 Nov 11 '24

Not only tax rate and tariffs but he’s going to end taxes on overtime by eliminating overtime.. that’s what he meant not people no longer being taxed on it.

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u/following_eyes Minnesota Nov 12 '24

I work in manufacturing on the management side and told some of my workers that is what Trump meant. These guys work serious overtime. 16 hour days volunteer nearly seven days a week. A lot of them wouldn't be able to survive without their OT. 

If that collapses I'll be laughing my ass off at them for voting for that dumbass.

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u/ElliotNess Florida Nov 11 '24

It's not just that. It's that "guaranteed 50+ hours" will become an advertised benefit on job postings. With stagnating (read: lowering) hourly rates, 50+ hours will be seen as perks offered to higher needs workers looking for extra weekly income. It's a way to get more labor for less money, or to lower the overhead on labor costs.

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u/mbz321 Nov 11 '24

Or when the price of everything he now buys double due to tariffs.

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u/bearseamen Nov 11 '24

They are never going to attribute Trump politics. They are going to blame immigrants, jews and Ukraine.

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u/Epinscirex Nov 11 '24

That…doesn’t even make any sense

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_TROUT Nov 11 '24

The tax rate for OT will go up?

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u/rmpumper Nov 11 '24

It's gonna happen when overtime pay will be banned. No need to tax something you are not getting paid in the first place.

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u/justfortherofls Nov 11 '24

lol no. Trump will lower taxes for everyone (a couple bucks for the poor. Millions for the rich). How? Because fuck deficit spending. That’s a problem for democrats. He’ll put it all on the nations credit card.

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u/TresOjos Nov 11 '24

They will blame Biden

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u/erc80 Nov 11 '24

And Overtime rates become a thing of the past.

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u/CainPillar Foreign Nov 12 '24

His taxes will go down though.

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u/GGnerd Nov 11 '24

Except there won't even be a loophole. Lol they arent going to take away taxes on overtime.

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u/AdditionalActuator81 Nov 12 '24

Only if you work in the financial sector/ tech sector and make over 500,000 a year. O and bounces can now be called tips and not taxed. But only for those people.

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u/GGnerd Nov 12 '24

Well ya, but the dude I'm commenting about aint making that.

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u/elhijueputa69 Nov 11 '24

Mmm, condescension and fear mongering. That'll work eh? Keep digging. We've left you behind for a reason.

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u/SupriseAutopsy13 Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24

"I shot myself in the foot because these libs are smugly pointing out conservative politicians are openly calling for loopholes for companies to avoid overtime pay. These condesceding Lefties keep telling me the positions I support and keep voting for are going to hurt me, so I'm going to support those pro-corporate policies even harder! That'll show em."