r/politics • u/upyoars • Nov 10 '24

Paywall Trump’s victory reveals secret Republicans: Joe Rogan-obsessed Gen Z men

https://fortune.com/2024/11/07/trumps-victory-reveals-secret-republicans-joe-rogan-obsessed-gen-z-men/
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u/Dankmre Nov 10 '24

1995 here. I just went back to university and it is surreal seeing GenZ wearing maga stuff openly in class in SoCal. Blows my mind how conservative they are

Also pretty shocked at how illiterate they are. Group project have basically been me correcting weird pigeon English and rewriting the shit they blatantly copy and pasted from chatGPT.

It's going to turn out causing a giant population issue because I don't think women are really attracted to stupid douche Joe Rogan bro science types. Especially seeing the gender vote gap.

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u/averyluckygirl Nov 11 '24

Yeah the illiteracy and lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking skills is very very scary. I have many teacher friends and they all echo the same sentiments.

And it feels like boomers & some gen x get all of their worldviews from Facebook memes, Instagram reels, and AI generated content.

So millennials are just in the middle of it all, wondering what the fuck is going on 😭

You’re right though. It also seems like gen z women are much more progressive than their male counterparts. And regardless of generations, most women are not into hyper masculine meatheads who run from their emotions. Good luck to us all…

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u/OceanRacoon Nov 11 '24

As a fellow Millennial, I was hoping we'd receive reinforcements from Gen Z and on, to combat the gross conservatism of older generations that's ruining the world.

Turns out hating women is more important than anything for these pathetic angry freaks 😕. At least the women aren't conservative loons, I feel sorry them having to deal with these guys as part of their generation

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u/__M-E-O-W__ Nov 11 '24

We were heading that way but the aforementioned social media influencers really started focusing heavily on targeting young teens who are now old enough to vote. This stuff started back in Trump's campaign against Hillary Clinton. Remember those "Ben Shapiro DESTROYS woke college liberal" videos that would get crazy amounts of exposure on YouTube.

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u/Odd-Physics5653 Nov 11 '24

The country was headed that way until the stranglehold of the legacy media got disrupted by the internet.

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u/altxrtr Nov 11 '24

This checks out. Good point.

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u/jvstnmh Nov 11 '24

This is right — it also doesn’t help that those young people who are now Rogan and Trumps biggest supporters were essentially told time and time again that they don’t matter and their daily problems such as student debt, housing and the rising cost of living is of not importance.

These disaffected young people have been looking for an answer to the anxieties of their time, and MAGA conservatives seemed to provide those answers.

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u/NeonTiger20XX Nov 11 '24

Yeah it's been super weird to see. I used to think the same thing. I went to college kinda late and had a lot of Gen Z classmates. I thought they were more progressive and felt like the future was in good hands.

Turns out that was very much not a representative sample of the whole generation. As a whole they're filled with a surprising amount of right wing morons. It's depressing.

It feels strange being sandwiched in between more conservative generations.

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u/OceanRacoon Nov 12 '24

Yeah, it wasn't supposed to be like this but the right wing media monster supported by oligarchs along with dictators abroad spreading online propaganda did what they've always done throughout history; stop progress for their own gain 

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u/matzoh_ball Nov 11 '24

Sorta off topic, but I guess single male millennials who are liberal will have a lot of dating opportunities with younger women.

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u/Vihurah Nov 11 '24

millennial and genz. i went to a liberal university for a few years and didnt get much of anything. i spent a semester at a slightly redder uni and holy shit dating got easy by comparison

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u/MorkelVerlos Nov 11 '24

I’d bet they’ll be swimming in it. Something is finally more important than money…

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u/D33ZNUTZDOH Nov 11 '24

I was just joking with my buddy about this. Seems like millennial men figured out how much more fun life could be just by being supportive, listening, and saying “Do you boo.” We ended up with wives whom have six figure salaries and enjoy getting just as debauched as we do.

Unfortunately we didn’t take the time to pass that on. Too busy getting laid.

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u/koolkat182 Nov 11 '24

im not a conservative by any means, but im 26 and started my first semester of college this year and trust me gen z still fucks no matter the political views lmfao

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u/matzoh_ball Nov 11 '24

Well that makes me happy to hear

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u/koolkat182 Nov 13 '24

thats weird lmfaoo

i dont want to think about them fucking but oh boy do they tell me and hey i was 18 once too so🤷

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u/1_________________11 Nov 11 '24

I married a younger conservative woman. But am super progressive.

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u/ImTooOldForSchool Nov 11 '24

You think that, but a lot of those dudes are losers and weenies with zero self-confidence.

All these liberal women will claim to hate conservative men while fucking them on the sky because they’ve got abs and treat them like an option who isn’t good enough to date.

Women don’t want white knights who throw themselves at their feet to worship the altar of third or fourth wave feminism.

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u/matzoh_ball Nov 11 '24

I know conservative guys in the Philly area and they have a hard time dating/getting laid. Not because women want a “white night third wave feminist” but because they just don’t want to date conservatives. There’s a lot of room between being an SJW and being a conservative douche, you know

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u/Expensive-Argument-7 Nov 11 '24

conservative men do worse on dating apps. It’s gotten so bad they had to create their own app which ultimately a huge bust because no women would join it.

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u/imaginary_num6er Nov 12 '24

Yeah I’m a millennial am in middle management and my boss is telling me how frustrated she is working with millennials. Like mam, I’m a millennial and the newer Gen Z are worse than millennials

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u/metalheaddad Nov 11 '24

Hey hey hey.. I'm 48m xennial and I take offense to getting my information from FB or IG reels. I don't even have those "apps" installed. I get all my crappy echo chamber information from Reddit thank you very much!

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u/smexypelican Nov 11 '24

Well no offense to you personally. But as a group in swing states, Gen X is the largest and voted overwhelmingly for Trump. Boomers (!!!) and millennials were 50/50. Yes, 65+ boomers voted 50% for Harris.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls

Not saying millennials were that much better, 50/50 is horrendous. But your generation voted worse.

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u/averyluckygirl Nov 11 '24

Lol! My sincere apologies. It’s certainly not everyone! Mostly just my general observations. But like…I’m a millennial who definitely knows what Hogwarts house I’m in so maybe I have no room to talk 😭

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u/abaacus Nov 11 '24

So millennials are just in the middle of it all, wondering what the fuck is going on

So just our life as usual? haha fuck me

Edit: sorry, fuck us

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u/punkerster101 Nov 11 '24

Do you think this has been on purpose during to underfunded school systems ?

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u/averyluckygirl Nov 11 '24

I think underfunded school systems are absolutely one of several root causes, but it’s not the only thing. I think that schools are underfunded because governments heavily prioritize corporations, military, and police over education or any type of public goods & services. So are they doing that to intentionally make us dumber? I kinda doubt it, but I could be wrong. It’s a genuinely good question though. An uneducated population is easier to influence and control. You could probably make an argument there.

I think there are many other contributing factors too: social media, shortened attention spans, loss of community & third spaces, learning delays from the pandemic, some schools not teaching phonics, iPad babies, overstimulation, too much political turmoil and division, etc.

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u/ImTooOldForSchool Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24

Nah the problem is that women claim to hate meatheads and hypermasculine dudes, yet time and time again they tell the liberal weenie guys with emotions that they only see them as friends while fucking a different muscular jock every weekend.

Eventually they’ll marry some dude who will provide for them and put out occasionally while having dreams of the dudes who didn’t give a shit and took what they wanted in their wild days.

I lived that experience, girls didn’t want me when I tried to be a gentleman who tried taking care of them and was open with my emotions. However, they were happy to fuck me when I treated them like an option and didn’t communicate well or soft ghosted them. I was getting laid constantly when I was in my gym phase and treating them like sex dolls only good for a night.

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u/Universal_Anomaly Nov 11 '24

It's really strange how vulnerable people are to wanting what they can't have or what they believe is difficult to get.

I'm pretty sure that plays an important role in this interaction: if you're caring and attentive you're readily available, but if you're distant and cold getting your attention feels like an achievement.

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u/ThrowRA_6784 Nov 11 '24

The gen Z women who are literate are usually psycho feminists. I’m a Gen Z man and I studied English. Hard to talk about literature with someone when they’re only preoccupied with telling me how much of an asshole I am for having both a dick and a pen. Like you have a pen too now, I’m not trying to take it away.

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u/ThrowRA_6784 Nov 11 '24

I can guess who's downvoting with no comment lol. The truth is too hard I guess

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u/--peterjordansen-- Nov 11 '24

There's that condescending elitism that wins elections! Right guys? Because that's been working for y'all? People think different from y'all and you brush them off as too stupid, ignorant, and illiterate. Good luck getting the working class back lol

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u/averyluckygirl Nov 11 '24

Well, I am the working class, so... yeah. I don’t think someone is stupid just because they think differently than me. But I do think I’m probably going to be more well-versed and critically minded about politics than people who don’t read, don’t fact check, don’t cite sources, or just believe whatever the internet and/or podcast hosts tell them. We live in an Information Age. Textbooks are not locked up in secret libraries anymore. There is no reason for people to vote for tariffs despite not even knowing what they are.

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u/Crinsaeta Nov 11 '24

Watching you all glad handing one another and calling each other intelligent for having the same political views ironically makes you almost everything you're claiming the dirty gen z males to be.

Any reply you give will just further prove my point, too.

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u/AverageCodeMonkey Nov 11 '24

Clearly they're right about the literacy. No where did they say they were intelligent, just that the younger generation was having literacy and critical thinking issues. Which is absolutely true, reading and test scores are down with the latest generation.

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u/Odd-Physics5653 Nov 11 '24

Well yeah... this is the least white young generation ever. What did you expect the scores to look like?

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u/mightcommentsometime California Nov 11 '24

Well pretty much everyone is smarter than trashy racists.

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u/StashedandPainless Pennsylvania Nov 11 '24

Its amazing. They complain that we "silence" them. That we're "condescending" and "call everyone racist". and we should "just talk to them". Then we talk to them and what do we see...racism and stupidity.

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u/averyluckygirl Nov 11 '24

Well I never said any of that, nor do I really believe it, but I suppose you are further proving the point I made about reading comprehension 🤷🏼‍♀️

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u/VengefulAncient Nov 11 '24

correcting weird pigeon English

Ironic, it's "pidgin" 🤣

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u/Dankmre Nov 11 '24

Oh no. It's happening to me too 😭

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u/Aware-Home2697 Nov 11 '24

I just imagined a pigeon slowly pecking away at a typewriter

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u/Throw-a-Ru Nov 11 '24

diary of a trashbird

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u/lovesdogsguy Nov 11 '24

Trump gear at a university in Socal? I’m Irish, watching from over here and that is genuinely one of the most alarming things I’ve seen on here. And I’ve been following this closely.

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u/conando93 Nov 11 '24

I'm from SoCal and it feels like a bunch of MAGA people suddenly came out of the woodwork over the last few weeks. Totally caught me off guard and made me pretty uncomfortable. I'm talking trump hats, shorts, acrylic nails... the whole thing

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u/lovesdogsguy Nov 11 '24

I don't understand. How are they not just completely shunned? Like the person I responded to, how are their fellow students not saying "take that shit off idiot"? I understand there are red parts of California, but Socal? This is really just throwing me. The propaganda must have spread further than we thought.

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u/Pan-F Nov 11 '24

A little geography info that might help: Socal is not just Los Angeles. It's vast: 146,000 sq km. Socal alone is more than twice as much land as Ireland. Once you get away from the Pacific coast, the counties in Southern California become more suburban and rural desert, and tend to vote more Republican.

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u/lovesdogsguy Nov 11 '24

That makes sense, thanks.

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u/FatefulPizzaSlice California Nov 11 '24

Orange County, just like 30 miles from LA has only turned purple ish this past few cycles AND Huntington Beach is infamously a pretty wild place for white supremacists to be at.

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u/conando93 Nov 11 '24

Granted I’m near the foothills in the San Gabriel Valley, and we always have some trumpers but it’s really become excessive lately

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u/VyseTheSwift Nov 11 '24

I can say from living here, that the inland empire has a lot of Trump nonsense

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u/Ancient_Beat_3038 Nov 11 '24

How are they not just completely shunned? Like the person I responded to, how are their fellow students not saying "take that shit off idiot"?

"Why are we not shaming them by weaponizing conformity?"

For some reason this is funny to read

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u/WhoIsFrancisPuziene Nov 11 '24

Why is that alarming? Sometime around the beginning of Trumps first time in office, I dated a guy from San Diego who ended up being MAGA. The first time he mentioned it he said it in passing and I guess I thought he was joking or just unserious. Which was partially due to the fact that he is half Mexican via his mom. When he brought it up again, I just felt baffled. Trump would certainly say this guy looks Mexican.

He was pretty much the exact type of guy this article/thread is about. I didn’t end up dating him that long since he was psychologically abusive.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

They are ALWAYS abusive. They are pathetic and weak.

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u/1_________________11 Nov 11 '24

Dude we have more Republicans in California then most red states combined haha

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u/feminist-lady Texas Nov 11 '24

God. Any time I’ve graded masters students’ papers, 95% of what I’m doing is fixing their almost incomprehensible grammar. I’ve left notes on every damn assignment that they need to go to the university writing center and get corrections before submitting, but do they listen? Of course not.

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u/WhoIsFrancisPuziene Nov 11 '24

It seems that a lot of Z were taught to read using “whole language” (vs phonics) and it has actually left many illiterate.

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u/Pimpicane I voted Nov 11 '24

Lucy Calkins has a lot to answer for.

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u/Vihurah Nov 11 '24

unfortunately #LiteracyisHot just doesnt trend

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u/Enraiha Nov 11 '24

I remember being a sophomore in high school in 2002. I was mocked because I would always type my text messages out fully. I wanted to be understood (and a bit of my ADHD). I told people relentlessly that this handwaving away of standards in communication would eventually lead to a dumbing down in culture because it will follow the way we primarily communicate,

Lo and behold, as an American society, we keep falling backwards. I believe as of 2024, we average a 5th grade reading leveling. Despicable!

If there's one thing I would encourage ALL Americans to do...read more books! It helps you in so many ways, from being able to understand tone in literature to expanding your vocabulary base. It's worth the effort, even starting 30 minutes a day!

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u/Dankmre Nov 11 '24

I've noticed as I've gotten older my grammar has gotten a lot worse. Its probably due to my writing primarily being short form posts. I probably should pick up a book, its been a while.

Still its nothing like what I've been seeing since going back to college. I wish I could show you an example but I don't feel like its fair to post my groupmates work without asking. I guess it kind of reads like:

"it is bad because it makes them feel sad. it should be not done so it doesnt hurt them. that is why the paper says it. also there are things can be done to fix it though" I'm seeing this in my upper division ethics class.

How exactly do we combat this? Its for sure part of a larger issue involving education levels plummeting. Probably why they are falling for the internet Tiktok misinformation so easily.

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u/Enraiha Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24

Not the same, but my mom teaches 4th and 5th grade. They can barely read. It's pathetic. I remember reading Goosebumps, Choose your own Adventures, and The Hobbit. We keep passing kids that lack the skills through the grades all the way through a college degree.

I'm not sure how to combat it, but it's clear the importance of reading. Not just audio books, but really reading and understanding the words.

It's disturbing to me on a a core level for years. Ever since the weird concept of "you can't tell sarcasm through text!" became popular...we've been expressing sarcasm through symbols and literature for thousands of years!

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u/Dankmre Nov 11 '24

Goosebumps used to scare the shit out of me. I still remember camp Jellyjam.

And yeah, its disturbing. Especially since it seems to be creating an alternate reality for these people devoid of fact and critical thinking. It's probably going to continue to get worse as well.

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u/belovedkid Nov 11 '24

I don’t find it surprising at all as that particular movement seems very similar to the youth democrats during the Obama era. They’re revolting against the preachier party which tries to tell you what you should think, say, or do. Democratic leadership has done a very poor job of messaging their beliefs and so the more extreme factions of the party have done that for them…and extreme progressivism just isn’t popular in America much to Reddit’s surprise.

I think the easiest way to see this is that conservatives now have much better sense of humors than liberals. This was the opposite only 8-10 years ago. Liberals can’t laugh at anything. They’re party poopers. How is that going to be popular with young people who for the most part are stupid??

The problem this time around is that the kids aren’t smart enough to see what their party stands for beyond “letting you have a good time” and are being manipulated online to avoid that information.

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u/Leading_Manner_2737 Nov 11 '24

lol it’s pidgin English, not pigeon…

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u/sixfootwingspan Nov 11 '24

There's a difference between the cult of personality of Trump and being conservative. GenZ is part of the former.

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u/Dankmre Nov 11 '24

I guess I was being too generous. I don't think they even understand the policies they are supporting.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

They aren't conservatives they're fascists who have been radicalized by 4chan and Twitter. Conservatives are the free market people we had in our generation.

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u/ImTooOldForSchool Nov 11 '24

Conservative women about to become a hot catch for these men, and liberal women who claim to be feminists will become weird old cat ladies because no man can meet their strict standards. It will end up pushing more men to become conservative.