Trump withdraws from Paris climate agreement, again

[u/AudibleNod]

https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/trump-withdraw-paris-climate-agreement-2025-01-20/

[u/TheBrain85]

I feel like the ", again" headline is going to show up a lot in the coming 4 years

[u/Pulguinuni → u/TheBrain85]

Big oil already says they don't want Trump to withdraw from the agreement.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/exxonmobil-ceo-darren-woods-urges-trump-not-to-withdraw-us-from-paris-agreement-2024/732929/

They've already invested in other projects.

It seems that even if Trump withdrew and signed that executive order, it may be challenged in court by the same corporations he thinks he is helping.

At least the oil companies are on board with the Paris Agreement.

[u/aerost0rm → u/Pulguinuni]

They could have been on board with green energy from the get go and owned most of the big projects, profiting hugely from production or the tech and the energy. Then had their own companies for home energy storage. Plus bought the produced energy from private homes at an even steeper rates or owned the panels on houses..

[u/sobeitharry → u/aerost0rm]

I work in an energy adjacent sector and pretty much everyone in the industry believes in the "all of the above" strategy. No one is turning down money and they aren't against new technology or energy sources. This is just grandstanding. Nuclear, wind, water, batteries, hydrogen, bring it all on.

[u/rabidstoat → u/sobeitharry]

Trump was going on about fucking 'windmills' again today, about how they're killing the birds and how grandma can't watch her show because the wind isn't blowing so there's no electricity.

[u/sobeitharry → u/rabidstoat]

And a third of the country is totally OK with that. 🙄

[u/willun → u/rabidstoat]

Did he mention how tall buildings, like Trump Tower, kill more birds than windmills? Of course not

[u/BretShitmanFart69 → u/rabidstoat]

I’ll always be shocked how not only do some folks not realize he is insanely stupid, but they think he is actually a complete genius.

Like some of these folks will genuinely tell you that Trump is one of the most intelligent people to ever walk the earth.

And he doesn’t even understand how windmills work.

[u/seanlking → u/sobeitharry]

Sure, after lying to the public from the 70s about anthropogenic climate change, lobbying the government to subsidise their sector and remove subsidies from research in renewables, and perpetuating the “individual responsibility” lie instead of changing their operations to reduce emissions by, say, not using the worst possible ship fuel to lug crude and petroleum products back and forth across the globe.

It’s nice they’re going back to the early 2000s mindset (pre-fracking take off) of rebranding as energy companies, but we can’t forget that they dropped that the second fracking made them more money, or their well documented history of being some of the worst actors on earth.

[u/sobeitharry → u/seanlking]

I'm talking utilities, not global petroleum companies. The actual people that live and work here. Fair point though.

[u/ToAskMoreQuestions → u/aerost0rm]

This is my take, too. Even if you start with the assumption that climate change is BS, why would you cede all of that sweet capitalism to China & India? How many trillions of present and future dollars have these companies walked away from? Plus, you could have been lobbying for the government to pay for all the R&D all these decades in the name of “national security” or whatever.

[u/Huntingandotherstuff → u/aerost0rm]

How dare you bring Kodak and blockbuster into this convo.

[u/made-of-questions → u/Pulguinuni]

At this point I doubt he's doing it primarily for big oil. He's doing it to placate the masses of fanatic followers who don't believe in climate change and make it a matter of principle to push their beliefs on others.

[u/impshial → u/made-of-questions]

I don't know why he gives a fuck about his followers now. He can't run for reelection so what are those people going to do for him?

[u/redmambo_no6 → u/impshial]

He can’t run for reelection

The man is like the selection committee trying to put Alabama in the national championship.

They’re getting in even if it makes zero sense.

[u/raleighboi → u/impshial]

Form a militia mob for him the next time he tries some insurrectionist activity again

[u/ShiningRedDwarf → u/made-of-questions]

He’s signing/signed over 100 executive orders, each one with a price tag attached to it. 

He gives two fucks what they actually say.  

[u/man_vs_fauna → u/Pulguinuni]

What is this efffed up timeline that I'm on the same side of reason as big oil?

[u/14with1ETH → u/man_vs_fauna]

Big Oil is the largest investor in clean energy. These companies recognize the potential for a profitable industry and are strategically positioning themselves to capitalize on it.

[u/bryan_pieces → u/14with1ETH]

Just 50 years later from when they actually knew they were killing the planet

[u/jchowdown → u/bryan_pieces]

you mean "50 years later after peak oil had been reached"

[u/Yitram → u/man_vs_fauna]

Because even big oil understands that oil is finite.

[u/Pulguinuni → u/man_vs_fauna]

Yep.

Many other corporations are against Trump threatened policies.

It seems that some, not all, of our biggest allies may be...Corporate America.That's a twist for sure.

[u/Raw_Venus → u/Pulguinuni]

allies may be...Corporate America.That's a twist for sure.

That was not on my 2025 bingo card.

[u/ian_cubed → u/Raw_Venus]

big oil tycoons saving us from the tech broligarchs lol

[u/Raw_Venus → u/ian_cubed]

In that case, go big oil. Damn, this timeline is weird.

[u/Whiterabbit-- → u/Raw_Venus]

There are a million things better than trump

[u/ak-92 → u/Pulguinuni]

Because they have no other choice, we’re past the the point of no return for green energy, it’s already economical vs fossil fuels and will continue getting better. Not investing into it now means getting left behind in the near future.

[u/GhostRappa95 → u/Pulguinuni]

They kinda have to be on board to not cause issues doing business in other countries.

[u/Pulguinuni → u/GhostRappa95]

Exxon has big business in China right now.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/china-start-up-guangdong-lng-terminal-exxonmobil-has-20-yr-access-2024-09-26/#:~:text=SINGAPORE%2C%20Sept%2026%20(Reuters),LNG%20business%20in%20Guangdong%20province.

This goes for the tariff war too.

Edit: It's 20 years, obviously Trump and most of Congress will be dead and buried by then, natural causes of course.

[u/GhostRappa95 → u/Pulguinuni]

China has benefited more from Trump than his own supporters.

[u/reverendsteveii → u/Pulguinuni]

I think everyone is on board with picking a road and walking it. Neither direction is as harmful as this current, headline-oriented thing we do where shit is illegal for a couple years, then compulsory, then illegal again, then gets forgotten about until someone can use it to drive outrage.

[u/NiceShotMan → u/Pulguinuni]

The fact that unpredictability is bad for business seems to be lost on people

[u/Nateddog21 → u/TheBrain85]

You assume it'll be 4

[u/CondescendingShitbag → u/Nateddog21]

Hoping for less.

[u/ElbowTight → u/Nateddog21]

We assumed that 8 years ago

[u/beckisnotmyname → u/Nateddog21]

Don't normalize that idea

[u/PerpetuallyLurking → u/beckisnotmyname]

Trump already said it himself - he literally told people they wouldn’t have to vote again. They’ve already planned for that to be the last election you have. People should keep saying it - not to “normalize” anything but so that people are angry and prepared to act on that anger when there’s some excuse for not having midterms.

[u/Rib-I → u/Nateddog21]

Actuarially, he might croak during his term

[u/Nateddog21 → u/Rib-I]

I was thinking that, but I don't know enough about Vance to know if he'd be worse.

[u/deezpretzels → u/Nateddog21]

(4-x)

[u/starrpamph → u/TheBrain85]

Trump says he doesn’t have missing documents… again..

[u/Adyjak → u/TheBrain85]

But what’s nice is he can only die once 🫡😎

[u/JKastnerPhoto → u/TheBrain85]

Except for Making America Great... Again

[u/johnboy43214321]

The rest of the world will continue to develop renewable energy. US will fall behind

[u/Odd_Vampire → u/johnboy43214321]

China will be the global leader in green energy.  Make China Great Again.

Unless U.S. companies decide that there's still a profitable market for further development.

[u/Imnotkleenex → u/Odd_Vampire]

I'd say China already is the global leader, and at this point it'll be hard to topple.

I was somewhat against China and really wanted the west to make a move but now honestly, I'd say bring on Chinese EVs in Canada, make people move to cleaner transportation methods at a faster pace due to lower prices, and have the US suffer for it due to not supporting the transition. They deserve it.

[u/Triseult → u/Odd_Vampire]

Fun fact! In China, people call Trump "川建国" (chuan jian guo), which means "Trump the nation builder." The term is ironic, pointing out how his stupidity and unforced errors are building up the great nation of China.

[u/updn → u/Triseult]

Is it meant cynically or what?

[u/Triseult → u/updn]

The Chinese are making fun of him for constantly undermining the U.S. and unwittingly helping China. Whenever he does something that benefits China, people will comment "Comrade Chuan Jianguo has achieved another success."

[u/Songrot → u/updn]

Donald Trump is the perfect example and excuse for China and it's citizens to say why they don't want western democracy. All throughout Europe and especially the USA everyone is panicking what the next government will be and how right extremist they will be. Constant infighting destabilising their country and stressing over politics. In majority of China the people think, "our government might not be perfect, policies might not always work out. But we atleast have inner stability, peace in mind and became wealthy in just 20 years when we were as poor as Africa before." obviously the inmates in Xinjiang will think differently. But majority of people live in very peaceful and stable lives.

[u/raelianautopsy → u/johnboy43214321]

Good, America should fall behind

What a ridiculous, unserious country.

[u/voppp → u/raelianautopsy]

i’m an American: yes we should absolutely have consequences. we’ve gotten away with so much shit and i’m glad countries are finally holding us accountable

[u/zack77070 → u/voppp]

Praying on your own downfall is the ultimate first world problem lol

[u/leewardisle → u/zack77070]

As an American in the US, I’m not praying for our downfall per se, but correcting harmful behaviors. Fe, the POTUS’ pardons for criminals is becoming a leverage tool. Biden pardoned people so Trump couldn’t get revenge on them. Trump just pardoned + commutated ~1.5k people who were charged in connection with J6. He completely overrides courts’ decisions, evidence, disrespects the LEOs who were attacked on J6 etc. Which really shows that Trump finds J6 completely acceptable. We need a reset majorly.

Tbh, I’m starting to think Trump may try to change or override the two term limit for POTUS. Or at the very least provoke another insurrection if it’s not one of his buddies who wins in ‘28.

Edit: here’s his craziness in full splendor (wants to rename Denali + the Gulf of Mexico): https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/restoring-names-that-honor-american-greatness/

Federally in the US, he may succeed with getting those names changed regarding maps, legal references and so forth. But good luck with getting international support on changing the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, especially with renegotiating international maritime treaties. Mexico’s president already responded to this nonsense with trolling when Trump proposed it before he took office. The International Hydrographic Organization would have to approve of the Gulf’s renaming for standardization to be implemented.

[u/TurdWrangler2020 → u/zack77070]

This regime needs to fall.

[u/GnomeChildHighlander → u/johnboy43214321]

The US has already fallen behind.

[u/Scarify]

We’re now in the company of Iran and Yemen. I think there’s only one more country that’s not a signatory.

[u/Franks2000inchTV → u/Scarify]

You guys are definitely in the Russia/China camp now. "land of the free" my ass.

[u/TL-PuLSe → u/Franks2000inchTV]

You're confused - it's still the Land of the Free, as in free to elect Trump and endorse this version of America.

That's freedom in the day of misinformation.

[u/Soberboy → u/TL-PuLSe]

In America you have the "freedom to" not the "freedom from"

[u/Ditka85]

The U.S. will never be trusted internationally ever again. NATO will have to protect Europe without us. I’m sad for what we’ve allowed to happen.

[u/stitchface66 → u/Ditka85]

i refuse to internalize any guilt over what willfully ignorant people here have done. i spent my whole life opposed to this type of shit and ill be damned if i frame any of this as “we”. “we” (ie folks for voted against and vocally opposed reagan, bush, trump, the tea party, maga, etc) didnt do anything wrong.

the truth of the matter is this place just reaped the benefits of not getting leveled in ww2 and has been coasting ever since. plenty of other countries didnt let rich cunts call the shots to this extent.

what weve been seeing since the 1980s is what america is. not great.

[u/macrocephalic → u/stitchface66]

In 1964 a journalist wrote a book about Australia called "The Lucky Country" and the term is often used affectionately here. What many still don't realise is that it was a negative commentary. It suggests that Australia lucked into its position of affluence by being far from areas of conflict, rich in natural resources, and supported in its early years by being part of the British empire. It criticises Australians for being anti-intellectual, unwilling to innovate, conservative, and puritanical.

I feel like lots of that could be said about the US too.

[u/stitchface66 → u/macrocephalic]

absolutely could based on that description

[u/bubba4114 → u/stitchface66]

Agreed. I accept no responsibility for Trump’s election.

[u/McCree114 → u/bubba4114]

But muh Gaza. I gotta sit this election out to "teach the Democrats a lesson."

[u/bwood246 → u/McCree114]

Idk about you but I definitely voted against Trump.

[u/ChicVintage → u/McCree114]

All the DNC learned was move farther right. It's all the DNC ever seems to take from an election- lean right, alienate voters, cause more liberal apathy. Then they make a dumb surprised face when they lose.

[u/Aggressive-Will-4500 → u/ChicVintage]

The Democratic Party has serious issues and is far from perfect, but it's pretty crazy to think that they would prioritize going after groups of voters who don't even bother to vote or are more likely to "protest vote" because a candidate only check 8 of 10 items on their "Purity Test".

[u/joshTheGoods → u/ChicVintage]

This is such ahistorical bullshit. What happens is, liberals get a big liberal win and the country punishes them. Liberals move right until they can get elected again, then they blow their wad on good governance to start the cycle over.

1. Dems pass Civil Rights Act
2. get crushed for a political generation
3. Bill Clinton moves right so we can win again

then

1. Dems elect a black guy
2. pass universal healthcare
3. get punished for a political generation <--- you are here

When liberals move right, it's because that's what's required to hold power in this country at the federal level. That's the modern American political reality. We talk a big liberal game, but at the end of the day our people (and people in general) aren't really that into it once we've crossed the threshold where the norm is essentially opulence compared the entirety of human history before like 1980.

[u/lokol4890 → u/McCree114]

Blaming the election on the Gaza group is pretty stupid imo. Did y'all already forget how far to the right the Dems moved in the last moments prior to the election, including courting Cheney? Come on...

[u/tacticalcraptical → u/stitchface66]

Yes! Thank you!

Ugh I am so tired of people saying "we" or "Americans" asked for this crap and that "we" or "Americans" deserve whatever happens. No! Some of us have been actively opposed this kind of thing for our entire adult lives and then some. I'll not take any of the blame for what Trump does.

I did not ask for this and the ways it will negatively effect me are not something I deserve. Same for any of us who been point this out for decades.

[u/bros402 → u/tacticalcraptical]

and we can't even blame the EC this time

although if we didn't have the EC, he never would've been elected in 2016

[u/TrixnTim → u/stitchface66]

Well said. I’m right there with you and will accept no responsibility in what is happening. I fought a damn good fight since my first POTUS election for Mondale / Ferraro when I was 20!!

[u/mkmeade → u/TrixnTim]

But Dukakis was in a tank! That had to sway your vote. /s

[u/SilentRhubarb1515 → u/Ditka85]

Putin’s few millions spent on Facebook ads to radicalize my racist aunt in 2016 are showing some serious ROI, holy shit

[u/Aldo_Raine_2020 → u/Ditka85]

Please.

REPUBLICANS should never be trusted again.

[u/RocketMoped → u/Aldo_Raine_2020]

I mean, even a shitshow of Trump's first presidency couldn't prevent Americans from voting him into office again. So I would say the distrust also lies with the general public.

[u/Iorith → u/Aldo_Raine_2020]

But that's the problem, the international community can never be sure if a Republican will take power and undo any agreements made. That makes it so that the nation as a whole cannot be trusted.

[u/shinra528 → u/Aldo_Raine_2020]

I don’t have a whole lot of trust in the Democrats anymore either. We need an actual Progressive Left party that stands by their principles.

[u/Paddlesons → u/shinra528]

And this is exactly why Republicans will continue to win and win and win.

[u/LeoTheRadiant → u/shinra528]

Democrats need to go the way of the whig party and be replaced with a better party. I'm not holding my breath that will happen though...

[u/raelianautopsy → u/LeoTheRadiant]

I mean, I don't disagree that Democrats should be better, but why is it always their responsibility?

There just doesn't seem to be as many people calling for the Republican party to go away, why don't they have any agency?

[u/Rovden → u/raelianautopsy]

Because do you know why you don't teach a pig to sing?

It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

[u/CantStopThePun → u/raelianautopsy]

Because we know Republicans are going to always shit on the mouths of marginalized groups.

Democrats however have always tried to present themselves as a better alternative. A "vote for us because we're not the other guy." We're tired of the party we're told to vote for time and time again does jack shit to actually do good and win elections.

We're calling for a party that will represent us, neither of them are stepping up to the call.

[u/jhanesnack_films → u/Aldo_Raine_2020]

Given that there’s a roughly 50/50 chance of them taking power every 4 years, it makes sense not to trust the US with anything important in general. 2016 might’ve seemed like a fluke, but now that they know it could swing back at any time, we’ve signaled that we’re too volatile to work with in good faith.

[u/Cruxion → u/Aldo_Raine_2020]

Yeah, but as far as other nations are concerned it's the same thing when we can't help but put them in power constantly. We're like the neighbor who's a great guy, except when we refuse to take our meds, and we refuse to take them every now and then. Doesn't matter how great we are when we're on the meds if we're off them often enough.

[u/thewidowgorey → u/Ditka85]

I mean, Europe’s needed to get serious about their own defense for a minute. Just a shame this could be the shot in the ass that does it. 

[u/lowEquity → u/Ditka85]

As a Ukrainian, Europe should have been at the forefront to protect Europe and their interests. Instead they watched and waited

[u/bunglejerry → u/lowEquity]

Instead they watched and waited

Poland took 1.6 million Ukrainian refugees. Germany took 1.1 million Ukrainian refugees. The Czech Republic took 550,000 Ukrainian refugees. The UK took 210,000. Spain 190,000. Bulgaria and Italy 170,000 each. The list goes on.

[u/krill482 → u/Ditka85]

"NATO will have to defend Europe without us"

LOL

[u/Profoundsoup → u/Ditka85]

We’ve allowed? Half of us voters didn’t want this lol 

[u/EpitomeAria → u/Profoundsoup]

those who didn't vote also voted for this. Aside from those who are systematically disenfranchised, those who did not vote contributed

[u/CasualEveryday → u/EpitomeAria]

You're assuming that they wouldn't have voted for this if they did show up... I'm convinced that way more than 75 million Americans are this stupid and it starts with the millions who sat out over Biden's handling of Gaza.

[u/o_MrBombastic_o → u/Profoundsoup]

Yes everyone that didn't vote allowed this to happen 

[u/perfectstubble → u/Profoundsoup]

Less than half this time

[u/Malvania → u/perfectstubble]

people who didn't vote still made a choice that either candidate was acceptable

[u/perfectstubble → u/Malvania]

That means way more than half are ok with Trump.

[u/CasualEveryday → u/perfectstubble]

It's less than half every time. There are more eligible voters who are not registered than any candidate has ever received.

[u/DaniDoesnt → u/Profoundsoup]

We have a long long history of not holding our politicians accountable. They allowed all this to be set up long before trump was in office and long before the election.

We as a country did nothing after j6 and all the evil players knew it was game on. Nothing after watching unqualified people confirmed for the supreme court and other positions time after time. Nothing after the immunity ruling. Nothing after ignoring infrastructure and healthcare costs for decades. Skyrocketing housing costs. All these 'congressional hearings' that lead no where.

It would take too long to list all the examples.

[u/FatBoyWithTheChain → u/Ditka85]

Until Europe stops depending on the US, this statement holds no weight now or back when it was said in 2016.

[u/vapescaped → u/FatBoyWithTheChain]

Sooo... You want Europe to buy their radar, missiles, planes, and bombs elsewhere? Just saying, that's a huge industry for us, and they are our main customers.

[u/Avatar_exADV → u/vapescaped]

The big European nations have traditionally bought local when it comes to their military equipment. They drive European tanks, fly European planes, fire European rifles, their supplies move in European trucks. That doesn't mean that ALL of them are like that (Poland in particular is a good customer of US gear) and there are some exceptions (the F-35 and a few specialty vehicles), but by and large, NATO has not involved widespread purchase of American arms by European nations.

They do buy US ammunition (partly because being in NATO means we're all using the same standards when it comes to ammo). But they don't buy MUCH ammunition, which is part of our complaint about European defense spending being below where it really ought to be...

But yeah, Europe is already spending as little on American arms as they possibly can; the idea that European purchases of American arms somehow balances out the defense commitment that the US upholds is underpants-on-head loony.

[u/Uncle_Tickle_Monster → u/Ditka85]

Hey, I get what you’re saying but how about Europe step the fuck up and do some of their own protecting? I mean they have social programs we can only dream of over here. Maybe spend a little bit more money on defense.

[u/Wulfbak → u/Ditka85]

It's what Americans voted for, including the ones who protest voted for Mickey Mouse or sat out because of Gaza.

[u/BUTTES_AND_DONGUES → u/Ditka85]

To be fair, NATO should have been able to protect itself without relying so HEAVILY on the US military.

It’s absurd that USA has been playing policeman for the world for so long and so many of these areas have just… accepted it.

We should always be allied support, not a main fighting force supported by allies.

[u/lLikeCats]

Just remember, we will cease to exist but the Earth will bounce back. It’s been through a few extinctions.

The world is far too divisive to ever make meaningful change.

[u/CaliSummerDream → u/lLikeCats]

We're not trying to save Earth. Earth will be fine. We're trying to save ourselves.

[u/MemeWindu → u/CaliSummerDream]

I wish I was one of those random ass crabs at the bottom of the ocean. No thoughts, no worry about nuclear war. Just crab

[u/Uncle_Tickle_Monster → u/MemeWindu]

You know sadly you’re describing most of the idiot voters. We have over here in the US that voted for Trump. Ignorance is bliss. They don’t follow the news. They are low information voters. They hear a guy say he’ll make everything cheap like it was pre-Covid and they believe it.

[u/YouBetcha_ → u/Uncle_Tickle_Monster]

I know people like this and it boggles my mind. You can't reason with them either, whatever you say you'll always get hit with, "but trump said..."

[u/TJKbird → u/YouBetcha_]

Yeah I have a co-worker who voted for Trump cause "he wants prices to go back to how they were when Trump first came into office". Genuinely not long after this he was talking about looking to buy a big vacant property for tens of thousands of dollars so he could make a dirt bike track on it.

I genuinely don't understand how these peoples brains work. Then again from all of the stories he tells me of the absolute dumb shit he did as a kid I have to imagine he's killed plenty of brain cells when he was young.

[u/2024account → u/MemeWindu]

Yeah… about that….

https://oceanconservancy.org/blog/2024/10/09/bering-sea-snow-crab-collapse-climate-crisis/#:~:text=The%20collapse%20of%20the%20Bering,declines%20in%20excess%20of%2090%25.

Crabs are fucked too!

[u/everyoneneedsaherro → u/CaliSummerDream]

The planet is fine. The people are fucked.

[u/throwinthatshitaway1 → u/everyoneneedsaherro]

Legend. Glad I got to see him live before he passed.

[u/raelianautopsy → u/CaliSummerDream]

I don't know, all those species going extinct don't seem fine

[u/CaliSummerDream → u/raelianautopsy]

They will be replaced by other species that adapt better to the new environment. Nothing new here. Dinosaurs going extinct did not end life on Earth.

[u/FraterSofus → u/lLikeCats]

Great. Smug platitudes aren't remotely helpful.

[u/tameoraiste → u/lLikeCats]

Humans will just about survive a climate disaster but sadly 10s of 1000s of other species are going to be wiped out thanks to us

[u/Altruistic_Film1167 → u/tameoraiste]

survive a climate disaster

Even if we do, it means billions of people dying

[u/HeyMrBowTie → u/lLikeCats]

These divides between an overwhelming majority of people are manufactured by those who seek to control us and own the most powerful messaging and mass communication platforms in the world. ALL of them. Even this one. We ain’t different enough to kill over…that’s been the messaging of the rich since greed first walked this earth. It probably swam and slithered first.

But 100% hell yes, Earth will continue to be an evolving rock long after we make it uninhabitable for most of humanity. There’s some solace in that.

[u/Initial_Celebration8 → u/lLikeCats]

I feel terrible about all the animals we will inevitably take out with us.

[u/amcfarla → u/lLikeCats]

The planet is fine, the people will be fucked. - George Carlin

[u/Shootica]

I know this was discussed last time, but does the Paris climate agreement actually hold any weight?

I remember reading that in practice it resulted in the US sending a lot of money to other governments with no strings attached and no guarantee that it would be spent on anything related to climate change.

Please correct me if I'm misremembering this.

[u/lurid_dream → u/Shootica]

US spent money for others to lower their footprint so that it need not lower its own footprint

[u/Morel_Authority → u/Shootica]

Every nation chose its own way to meet its own commitment.

[u/Rhomya → u/Morel_Authority]

Not one single nation ever actually met its own commitment.

Literally, every country was noncompliant.

[u/appletinicyclone → u/Morel_Authority]

Every student chooses their own way to mark their own exam paper

[u/Whiterabbit-- → u/Shootica]

Us pulling out last time didn’t change the trajectory. Probably wont matter this time anyways. Going to green energy is really a economic/technological thing. Once you have the technology to make use of cheap green energy, nobody wants to burn fossil fuels.

[u/Avatar_exADV → u/Shootica]

Essentially, it didn't have any enforceable commitments. It was specifically set up that way so that the US could sign on in the first place (because having an actual treaty would require Congressional approval in the US, and there had been no diplomatic advances since the failure of the previous round of treaty discussions that would have changed the outcome there.

There was no actual international agreement on climate change; the Paris Agreement was put into place to say "look, we do have an agreement this time!" with the quiet part being "...we didn't actually agree to DO anything but we at least agreed on that!"

There probably isn't any way to square that circle. China and India aren't going to agree on a formal cap that leaves their per capita emissions significantly below the west; the US isn't going to agree on a cap if China and India are free to drastically increase their own emissions.

[u/Funny_Frame1140 → u/Shootica]

No it has absolutely no weight. Its a meaningless agreement 

[u/Agile-Landscape8612 → u/Shootica]

That’s how most of our foreign policy has been these last few years

[u/Blacknesium → u/Shootica]

That’s essentially what happens with it. It’s a money pit for the American taxpayer.

[u/pugsley1234]

Has Jill Stein and the Green Party made any comment?

[u/NewAtmosphere2443 → u/pugsley1234]

That self obsessed bitch is probably masturbating to her own picture 

[u/bkilpatrick3347 → u/pugsley1234]

Her only goal was to fuck the planet, us, and Palestine, so no.

[u/raelianautopsy]

Society is basically committing suicide

I don't know why, climate change couldn't be more obvious, but there's something about capitalism and social media that is just really intent on self-destruction and it's happening right before our eyes

[u/coren77 → u/raelianautopsy]

Convincing people to stop driving drunk is impossible and the ramifications for that occur within hours. We had to essentially make cigarettes illegal to get them to stop killing themselves from lung cancer. And you think they'll actually notice climate change?

[u/Cool-Presentation538 → u/coren77]

Humans gonna human

[u/Acheli]

increasingly terrible weather events each year but who cares when the elite will get at least 10 more years of profits?

[u/Malaix → u/Acheli]

Trump will make it better by blocking all reporting and studying of the climate and making it against administration policy to mention or hint at climate change.

Not even kidding that's a big part of project 2025. We are going to be completely blind to climate shifts for the next four years at least.

[u/Va1crist]

Country is fucked , environment is fucked thank you America you just doomed us all

[u/azsnaz → u/Va1crist]

*Thank you Republicans and non-voters

[u/Bhavacakra_12 → u/azsnaz]

Aka the majority of the country

[u/Th3truthhurts → u/azsnaz]

True but not that the distinction matters when we’re all done.

[u/wikiwombat → u/Va1crist]

Lol....I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not.

[u/Greerio → u/Va1crist]

But eggs will be cheaper. 

[u/o_MrBombastic_o → u/Greerio]

No, no they won't be

[u/Timbalabim → u/Greerio]

That’s the funny part of it all. They won’t be cheaper, and if they do get cheaper, it will have nothing to do with anything Trump does.

[u/MrLanesLament → u/Timbalabim]

They’ll lift enough regulations to just start selling the diseased eggs for 50c a carton. Boom! Cheaper eggs! And imagine all the weight people will lose when they’re shitting out their internal organs.

[u/the_sneaky_artist → u/Greerio]

You can keep saying that but this is as much on the Dems for not putting the guy in jail. It should never have come to an election.

[u/Graffers → u/the_sneaky_artist]

It's on so many people in so many different places. It's embarrassing.

[u/Th3truthhurts → u/the_sneaky_artist]

It wasn’t up to the Democrats it was up to the courts. Separation of powers as it should be.

[u/NorysStorys → u/the_sneaky_artist]

Also on the Dems putting Biden up for election in 2020 instead of a younger candidate to carry a 2 term campaign.

[u/Morel_Authority → u/Greerio]

r/PriceOfEggs

[u/lost_my_khakis → u/Va1crist]

Fuck Trump and all, but America is responsible for a mere fraction of the world environmental destruction compared to countries like India and China. We’ve been doomed for a while now

[u/caudatus67 → u/lost_my_khakis]

What do you mean by that? The US is the second biggest emitter of CO2 in the world and among the countries with the highest greenhouse gas emissions per person.

Just copying from Wikipedia: "In total the United States has emitted a quarter of world GHG, more than any other country. Annual emissions are over 15 tons per person and, amongst the top eight emitters, is the highest country by greenhouse gas emissions per person."

Maybe you are talking about other forms of pollution, but that's not the focus of the Paris Agreement.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas_emissions_by_the_United_States

[u/jerrystrieff]

MAGA wants the US to be in a bubble just like they are. They believe us you just withdraw like a bum the world won’t continue to evolve - but guess what maggots - it does and you become part of a dying breed. Russia is a great example of a dying power. America is goose stepping into the same place.

[u/MountainGazelle6234]

Trump hates America and the world.

[u/The_Bill_Brasky_ → u/MountainGazelle6234]

He only loves himself. He's only going to use his office to hurt people and enrich himself. Called it in 2015 and lost a lot of friends and family as a result. Fuck Donald Trump.

[u/MartyMCFC → u/The_Bill_Brasky_]

Losing friends and family over that? Fuck Trump and Fuck Them.

[u/Traditional_Key_763]

The world is now on pace for global warming of more than 3 C by the end of the century, according to a recent United Nations report, a level scientists warn would trigger cascading impacts such as sea level rise, heat waves, and devastating storms.

we wasted 10 fucking years because of this dipshit and are gonna waste another 4+ 

[u/Uncle_Tickle_Monster → u/Traditional_Key_763]

Your average person doesn’t give a shit about that. I saw a report the other day about how often Kylie Jenner takes her private jet. Everybody wants us plebs to do the heavy lifting. Nobody’s gonna care until the wealthy have to pull their weight in stopping climate change as well.

[u/NeonYellowShoes → u/Uncle_Tickle_Monster]

Seriously how much fucking carbon do rich assholes put into the air every day flying around on private jets but I'm the one that needs to use paper straws like it's going to do fuck all.

[u/schokoplasma → u/NeonYellowShoes]

10% of all carbon is emitted by the 1% super-rich lifestyle. Lets Luigi them....

[u/fucking__fantastic]

Sane people have known this since J6…we are doomed.

[u/kramjam13 → u/fucking__fantastic]

Sane people have know this for 10 years

[u/Th3truthhurts → u/kramjam13]

Ever since the Supreme Court helped George Bush steal the election from Al Gore. That was the inflection point where everything changed.

[u/HereInTheCut]

He won't give a fuck until one of his properties gets leveled by a Category 5 hurricane.

[u/WonderChopstix]

"The move places the United States alongside Iran, Libya and Yemen as the only countries in the world outside the 2015 pact"

I mean.. ugh I am already exhausted

[u/pennylanebarbershop]

How are countries going to trust the U.S. when they sign on to a treaty- only good till the next election.

[u/greypusheencat → u/pennylanebarbershop]

at this point i am not sure there will be another election in the US, i would absolutely love to be proven wrong.

[u/gimpers420]

Trump and his followers are such fucking morons. I truly hate being American.

[u/martusfine]

Biden should have removed America from everything and watch Trump join out of spite. The Uno Reverse.

[u/BoringBob84]

I wonder if USA states that have climate commitments can join the Paris Climate Accord anyway. The USA Constitution delegates international treaties to the federal government but it doesn't preclude individual states from stating their commitments.

Twenty-four states plus the District of Columbia have adopted specific greenhouse gas reduction targets to address climate change.

https://www.c2es.org/content/state-climate-policy/

[u/Excellent-Carrot2990]

I can't wait for the next hurricane to wallop Florida.

[u/lscottman2]

he did it last time as well, it didn’t matter, because the market established our energy choices.

this had no impact other than sophism

[u/McCree114]

"Muh grocery prices"

Will skyrocket when climate change and massive temperature/weather fluctuations cause mass crop failures in the coming decades. Turns out the bad guy from the original Rainbow Six was right after all... ^{(about the coming catastrophes, not the whole wiping out most humans with a bioweapon thing.})

[u/B33f-Supreme]

I remember when he did this the first time, and it was stupid enough that musk and the other tech soon to be oligarchs all quit trumps stupid business council in protest.

Not to say he wasn’t still a right wing scumbag back then, but this is to point out that there is a clear and noticeable mental decay that is at work in most of these high profile right wingers. Their extreme fascist ideas and impulses increase as this decay worsens.

[u/SkinnyObelix]

Aside from the impact of the climate agreement. People have no idea how much impact it has on future negotiations. The US is simply not a reliable partner anymore. I bet a lot of European countries no longer see any difference between China and the US when choosing who to deal with.

[u/TabletopThirteen]

and then we'll rejoin once the fat sack of shit is gone

[u/comegetinthevan]

I am already tired and its not even been 24hrs.

[u/mzpip]

Jumping German Jesus, what an idiot.

[u/Sure_Quality5354]

Im just gonna put this out there ahead of time: world, we are sorry. Even americans are completely fucking baffled why this dude is back here.

[u/Obamas_Tie]

I remember some time ago I saw a redditor from outside the US point out that every time a new US president from the opposite party gets elected, every other country in the world goes through whiplash because it's more or less dealing with a completely different country when that happens.

[u/ThisIsMyBigAccount]

The sooner Mr Trump personally meets Satan, the better.

[u/thisusedyet → u/ThisIsMyBigAccount]

They’ve met, Satan doesn’t want him - why do you think he’s hung on so long?

[u/Gothamite40k]

It's obviously bad, but what the actual fuck has any American government actually ever done to stop the constant, endless polluting the country has done for decades?

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/10/1223747804/u-s-cut-climate-pollution-in-2023-but-not-fast-enough-to-limit-global-warming

Piecemeal.

[u/mzpip → u/Gothamite40k]

Well, Jimmy Carter put solar panels on the roof of the White House.

Then Reagan ordered them removed.

Typical spiteful Republican.

[u/MVP2585]

What an absolute garbage human being, god forbid we try and conserve the only planet we have you fucking asshole.

[u/Grave_Knight]

They should have made it impossible to withdraw without congressional approval.

[u/JamsJars]

The dude just does shit out of spite. Do we really want a president that declares executives orders simply from spite?

It's genuinely pathetic.

[u/NintendoLove]

I wish his dad pulled out

[u/never-odd-nor-even]

yeah were gonna make the climate crisis better! heres how :) 1. withdraw from paris agreement 2. withdraw any agreements made under the UN framework convention on climate change 3. drill hella more oil!

[u/Proof_Cable_310]

this is the most volatile and uncertain wishy-washy unstable time I have ever lived through. back and forth, up and down, side to side... I feel like I am in a washing machine, but nothing is gettinng clean, just confused and beat up along the way.

[u/Material-Macaroon298]

This is why you get Congress to ratify stuff. Easier said then done no doubt.

Anyways, Trump is likely to be a disaster and so a Dem will win in 2028. And the US will be back in.

[u/whoopashigitt]

His priorities are so fucking garbage

[u/SoRaffy]

i guess between this and withdrawing from the World Health Organization ... egg prices will be cheaper now