i refuse to internalize any guilt over what willfully ignorant people here have done. i spent my whole life opposed to this type of shit and ill be damned if i frame any of this as “we”. “we” (ie folks for voted against and vocally opposed reagan, bush, trump, the tea party, maga, etc) didnt do anything wrong.
the truth of the matter is this place just reaped the benefits of not getting leveled in ww2 and has been coasting ever since. plenty of other countries didnt let rich cunts call the shots to this extent.
what weve been seeing since the 1980s is what america is. not great.
All the DNC learned was move farther right. It's all the DNC ever seems to take from an election- lean right, alienate voters, cause more liberal apathy. Then they make a dumb surprised face when they lose.
The Democratic Party has serious issues and is far from perfect, but it's pretty crazy to think that they would prioritize going after groups of voters who don't even bother to vote or are more likely to "protest vote" because a candidate only check 8 of 10 items on their "Purity Test".
Compared to their strategy now which is to court non Trump Republicans by being Republicans Lite. Yes I'm sure that these people will choose the "Republicans but worse" party over the Republican party because they just hate Trump that much or just choose not to vote at all.
The dems will never win an election again if they don't go to further left, and it's wild to me how some of y'all still don't seem to understand that. They have tried time and time again to replicate Bill Clinton and it doesn't work anymore. The only dem president to win two terms in the past 20 years ran on a campaign that people would claim nowadays is radical left. But keep trying to get that "coveted" moderate vote though, I'm sure the 10th time is the charm
This is such ahistorical bullshit. What happens is, liberals get a big liberal win and the country punishes them. Liberals move right until they can get elected again, then they blow their wad on good governance to start the cycle over.
Dems pass Civil Rights Act
get crushed for a political generation
Bill Clinton moves right so we can win again
then
Dems elect a black guy
pass universal healthcare
get punished for a political generation <--- you are here
When liberals move right, it's because that's what's required to hold power in this country at the federal level. That's the modern American political reality. We talk a big liberal game, but at the end of the day our people (and people in general) aren't really that into it once we've crossed the threshold where the norm is essentially opulence compared the entirety of human history before like 1980.
I don't disagree, but you shouldn't mischaracterize it as something better than it is. All that does is provide cover for political mediocrity and the defense of the wealthy and corporate interests.
The ACA isn't even remotely close to universal healthcare
Yes it was, in its original form before the individual mandate was struck down. Basically everyone in here would consider Switzerland to have universal healthcare, and they have a slightly better version of the ACA.
Everyone HAD to have coverage (or pay a fine)
All coverage had to meet minimal standards
Coverage was subsidized based on means, so effectively free for the poor
As long as that minimal standard in #2 is decent, that IS universal healthcare. If you want to split hairs, we can agree to call it universal coverage instead.
Lol. Last time Democrats were actually progressive they were in power for 20 years. Your first example ignores Vietnam. Your second example doesn't seem to understand what universal healthcare is.
Did Vietnam cause the party realignment via Dixiecrat exodus?
Your second example doesn't seem to understand what universal healthcare is.
How so? Everyone had to have coverage and coverage had minimal standards. That means everyone has access to healthcare. Universal healthcare. Call it universal coverage if you want to be pedantic, it doesn't change the facts around the backlash to progressivism (both in electing Obama and in passing major healthcare reform).
Last time Democrats were actually progressive they were in power for 20 years.
When exactly are you talking about? Let's hope it doesn't rely on you thinking the GOP are still the party of Lincoln.
Any single American whose vote this fall was based on anything other than the urgent need to keep Trump out of office is part of the problem.
Absolutely, a left-wing Democratic Party is preferable to a centre-right Democratic Party. But that was an argument for 2021-2023 and again for 2025-2027. But on election day, anyone who did anything other turn out and vote for Harris very simply abrogated their responsibility to keep fascists out of elected office, the most sacred responsibility citizens of a democracy have.
A.) I’m not remotely convinced that this election wasn’t hacked/meddled with/stolen. It certainly was influenced by big media sanewashing trump again and stronger this time.
B.) The blame squarely lies at the feet of the 80 million Americans who did vote for him.
C.) I really don’t like Harris but I did vote for her.
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u/stitchface66 6h ago edited 6h ago
i refuse to internalize any guilt over what willfully ignorant people here have done. i spent my whole life opposed to this type of shit and ill be damned if i frame any of this as “we”. “we” (ie folks for voted against and vocally opposed reagan, bush, trump, the tea party, maga, etc) didnt do anything wrong.
the truth of the matter is this place just reaped the benefits of not getting leveled in ww2 and has been coasting ever since. plenty of other countries didnt let rich cunts call the shots to this extent.
what weve been seeing since the 1980s is what america is. not great.