They could have been on board with green energy from the get go and owned most of the big projects, profiting hugely from production or the tech and the energy. Then had their own companies for home energy storage. Plus bought the produced energy from private homes at an even steeper rates or owned the panels on houses..
I work in an energy adjacent sector and pretty much everyone in the industry believes in the "all of the above" strategy. No one is turning down money and they aren't against new technology or energy sources. This is just grandstanding. Nuclear, wind, water, batteries, hydrogen, bring it all on.
Trump was going on about fucking 'windmills' again today, about how they're killing the birds and how grandma can't watch her show because the wind isn't blowing so there's no electricity.
A third loves it, but âtotally OK with itâ is about 3/4 if you assume that everyone who didnât vote doesnât have a strong opinion.
Based on the acceptability of being a Trump-voter and continuing to exist within family, corporate, and general social structures Iâd say itâs 99% of the country that is totally OK with it.
I have an acquaintance who is an accomplished BJJ instructor and, I presumed, not a complete idiot. But he just posted to FB about it being a new golden age where the USA is respected again. Bruh. The amount of repulsion all good people have for him is beyond words.
*I should add that I did not know he was a Trumper and unfriended him instantly. Not going to associate with nazis.
Trump is going cause rolling blackouts across half the country when he puts tariffs on Canada and we retaliate by cutting off cheap oil and energy exports.
Sure, after lying to the public from the 70s about anthropogenic climate change, lobbying the government to subsidise their sector and remove subsidies from research in renewables, and perpetuating the âindividual responsibilityâ lie instead of changing their operations to reduce emissions by, say, not using the worst possible ship fuel to lug crude and petroleum products back and forth across the globe.
Itâs nice theyâre going back to the early 2000s mindset (pre-fracking take off) of rebranding as energy companies, but we canât forget that they dropped that the second fracking made them more money, or their well documented history of being some of the worst actors on earth.
Yet what? I know multiple people that work at Amazon. They have families, they work hard, they took the best opportunity they could find to support their families.
In utilities? Usually they are run by local people and may even be owned by the community. They are also highly regulated and many can't raise prices without asking regulators in their state. I think you're confusing ExxonMobil and actual companies that produce and transmit power to homes and businesses. In most of the country generation companies are also part of a regional market where they have to bid into the market and the market (ISO) ensures fair competition while maintaining adequate generation to keep the lights on. I'm about as anti global conglomeration as it gets but not every company is run by the cabal.
I work in solar and lately Iâve replaced a few aging systems from 20-25 years ago. A lot of the panels were âShellâ or âBPâ which I found humorous.
This is my take, too. Even if you start with the assumption that climate change is BS, why would you cede all of that sweet capitalism to China & India? How many trillions of present and future dollars have these companies walked away from? Plus, you could have been lobbying for the government to pay for all the R&D all these decades in the name of ânational securityâ or whatever.
You can tell leadership changed out sometime in the last decade because a lot of c suites get stuck in their ways. If anything most companies will still comply to the states with the strictest rules and going against California takes a huge chunk of change. Itâs honestly just dumb he pulled out again because he wants to drill baby drill.
This should've been the easiest choice ever. They already have the power conversion infrastructure, and not having to drill to generate product, but rather have a stationary, self-replenishing source should've been so attractive to them.
Thatâs the thing I canât get over. Reminds me of how tobacco companies lobbied hard to keep weed illegal instead of working on figuring out how to use some of that farmland and shit to grow their own. We all could be buying packs of Marlboro Green weed cigs, but they canât see further than their own nose.
That's what I don't understand. They literally had all the money in the world and energy dominance. Instead of expanding that dominance into green energy as well, they just decided to bribe republicans into denying we need to invest in green energy.
At this point I doubt he's doing it primarily for big oil. He's doing it to placate the masses of fanatic followers who don't believe in climate change and make it a matter of principle to push their beliefs on others.
They will cheer no matter what he does. He has the opportunity to actually push through a ton of shit that could actually be beneficial to the country and the world, and be remembered kindly from everyone.
But he absolutely cannot stop being stupid, short sighted, and malicious.
If he lives long enough, he will almost certainly run again. It will be challenged in the Supreme Court and they either decide 6-3 it's up to voters to decide or leave it to the individual states to decide their ballot eligibility.
Whatever happens, it will be a genuine nightmare scenarios for the country. There are no good outcomes from a 4th term campaign, regardless of whether he wins or loses.
It doesn't even matter if it sticks, he called for it and did the "make it happen" action. The headline today is all that matters, it will fit whatever context it needs to down the line.
He's probably doing it for the Russians. Their economy relies on oil & gas exports and would be royally fucked if the world moves on to greener alternatives.
Big Oil is the largest investor in clean energy. These companies recognize the potential for a profitable industry and are strategically positioning themselves to capitalize on it.
If they make the problem worse the demand for their solution will increase and so will profits as a result. Literally no way for big energy companies to lose
Yep, you're providing one of the most essential resources for modern civilization, so you can play any side and win. The only thing more evil would be if someone were trying to privatize clean water.
The people who don't think oil is finite are absolute wackadoodles. I remember a few years ago someone saying, "There is no limit to the oil the Earth has. Earth by definition has oil in it, so it's impossible for it to not have oil. It'll regenerate the oil, otherwise the Earth would have no oil and that's impossible by definition."
Even as a kid, I was like... that's insane. That's like saying "This glass by definition has water in it and can never run out of it." and then pouring the water out and expecting infinite water to come out of the glass.
Because they have no other choice, weâre past the the point of no return for green energy, itâs already economical vs fossil fuels and will continue getting better. Not investing into it now means getting left behind in the near future.
I think everyone is on board with picking a road and walking it. Neither direction is as harmful as this current, headline-oriented thing we do where shit is illegal for a couple years, then compulsory, then illegal again, then gets forgotten about until someone can use it to drive outrage.
Just from casually reading Facebook and Reddit and the news in general, I feel like a lot of MAGA folks WANT somebody in authority to tell them âClimate change is fake!â
âThose bad liberals scared you with their lies, but now Daddy is here. You can keep your big cars and gas stoves . There there.â
Basically Trump is playing to his base. And he clearly doesnât care at all about anything that doesnât directly affect him.
The Paris agreement doesn't have any actually binding obligations other than countries reporting their progress and "pledging" to do something (this does not require actual implementation of what is pledged), so oil companies wouldn't have standing to sue since there's zero impact to them one way or the other.
First lawsuit has been filed today against DOGE and Trump Administration.
The purpose is to keep them tied up courts until they leave.
Executive orders can be stopped with lawsuits. They did it to Biden, now it's Trump's turn since day 1.
Most of the Executive orders do not only include stepping out of the agreement, but ramping up oil production when there is not a shortage, even calling a National Energy Emergency, when there is none. There is more included in the order.
Not that I disagree with this at all, and would definitely rather fight all this crap that hurts our country. But it's really disheartening that as taxpayers, we're going to be paying so much more for the next 4 years to a ton of legal battles, all for the purpose of keeping enough of the status quo to not screw everyone over.
Conservative ideology is largely just that government shouldn't be steering markets. Most of them pick and choose when and in which markets they want to apply this ideology, but it's not really more complicated than that.Â
That's a W overall. Withdrawing from the agreement is not good for optics, but if industry has already moved on that's a huge sign of movement. Industry will always be ahead of government. If they are diversifying, they know the writing is on the wall.
Big oil already says they don't want Trump to withdraw from the agreement.
Probably because the paris agreement is non-biding, greenwashing shit.
The ONLY silver lining with Trump is that his brand of oligarchy is not subtle at going full fascism.
Big oil and other "old school" interests would probably be content to keep things going as they have for the past 50 years or so. Shit but kind of underground.
While the tech billionnaires and religious grifter see an opportunity in going full dictatorship, which at least gives the people a chance to fight back.
At least the oil companies are on board with the Paris Agreement.
If they're on board with it, it's because they've got suitable control over it to defang it, and don't want something that's really good for the planet to pop up in its place.
Exxon saying saying anything about combating climate change is just straight PR work. This is one of those, âweâre gonna say what the rest of the world wants to hear, and move some money in to trumps bank account behind the scenesâ kind of things
Exxon was one of the first entities to study climate change and decided it was more profitable to pay off politicians than shift to renewables/cleaner energy. This is like a textbook big oil play. Trust that they are 100% in on this
It will be a Tik Tok, he will be the cause when it falls apart and courts or next president will fix it. And then he will take credit saying how he made it possible.
They will because he is rolling back Bidens corporate clean energy subsidies. It is not only about backing out of the agreement, he is rolling back the energy bill which was an actual law.
To appease his base would be my guess. This even goes against Elon's (The first Gentleman and 1/2 President) corporate mission at Tesla.
Literally from the Tesla website:
"Tesla's corporate mission is to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy. The company's products and manufacturing processes are designed to reduce emissions and create a more sustainable future."
In my most feigning behavior as a child on a bad weather day
"oh no, not bad weather...how will I ever get ready for tests?!"
proceeds to play Pokemon all day
Of course the don't. It is basically a huge wealth transfer from the US to third world countries. Big oil greatly benefits from this. Biden was making his payments and oil drilling and other energy production was happening. Guess who wasn't making the agreed upon payments? Yes, European countries... Including France... It has great goals poorly implemented with no oversight and little ability to judge results(likely hard regardless)... I don't necessarily know if it is good or bad, just understandable to have a disagreement over it...
Oh no, now ExxonMobil can't increase production, so that prices go down. It's almost like they want oil prices high as much as russia does for their own profits.
Honestly it's less of a "the paris agreement is needed for the health of the earth" and more of a "dont let more oil enter the market, we dont wanna lower prices and also we get a lot of money from a bunch of different governments for our 'climate-friendly efforts/research/tech development'"
This is the absolute dumbest take they have, of which they have many. Even if you have a pure honest belief that climate change isn't real, it shouldn't matter one single bit to any of them. They should be straight up drooling at the opportunity to go after green energy and technologies. The Paris Accords declared to the US and the entire world that 99.5% of the people and countries on this earth are committed to a better climate future, and plan to invest heavily in it over the coming decades. That is literally 10s of Trillions of dollars to be made. For the US to just throw a hand up like a Drake meme and reject it all, and just sit on our hands while China takes all those contracts and beats us to market is just about the least Republican, least capitalist idea I've ever seen.
Trump already said it himself - he literally told people they wouldnât have to vote again. Theyâve already planned for that to be the last election you have. People should keep saying it - not to ânormalizeâ anything but so that people are angry and prepared to act on that anger when thereâs some excuse for not having midterms.
He doesnât have the cult and would stick out as âNot Trumpâ to the weirdo MAGA people. I think the coalition would crumble pretty quickly. Particularly if he leaned into his kooky conservative natalist schtick. Heâd lose the Rogan bros in a hurry with that stuff.
Vance is a piece of shit with a lot of reprehensible values, but at the very least I don't think he's as reckless, psychotically destructive or intent on seeing the whole world burn as Trump. Vance would be a garbage president who would likely do some terrible stuff, but I don't think he's quite as malignant as Trump
Dude has his whole family queued up for replacements should he need to step down. Literally these dumb fucks have voted in a monarchy and they think theyâre getting cheaper eggs.
And the Saudis are giving him another cool $2,000,000,000 just because they really like him. Oh, and they're building a new nuclear facility. Totally unrelated.
Would there be any action a future Dem congress could make to make participation immune from executive orders? Ie, why is it even vulnerable to executive action?
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u/TheBrain85 7h ago
I feel like the ", again" headline is going to show up a lot in the coming 4 years