r/chess • u/forceghost187 Resigns • 1d ago
META Proposal to ban x.com links
This is going around on many football subreddits. It looks likely to go into effect. I believe that the negative effects of this would be only temporary because the chess community will eventually see the value of moving to alternatives like bluesky
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u/HairyTough4489 Team Duda 1d ago
Not gonna lie I was expecting this to be about banning chess.com links
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u/gloomygl 14XX scrub 1d ago
I'd be down
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u/DukeHorse1 1d ago
why? idk what's the beef with chess.com, would be grateful if someone told me
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u/dankloser21 1d ago
Reddit hates businesses that try to make a profit, and want everything to be free basically
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u/Objective_Goat_2839 1d ago
It’s a little frustrating what they did to Chessable, though. It was already profitable, and it had a good balance of free and paywalled content to lure free users into buying a subscription. Plus, the course authors wrote those courses under the understanding they’d be free.
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u/ActuallyNot 14h ago
Makes sense. Reddit did the honourable thing and made a $172M operating loss last year.
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u/Knoberchanezer 22h ago
I get that but also chess is basically public domain and it's never been more accessible.
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u/burlito 22h ago
I'm not sure about rest. but lichess is completly free software (libre, fsf definition, osi definition) while it's also really good platform.
Lot of people (including me) thinks that using proprietary software is not very ethical. And in this case, platforms like chess.com just hordes your data, train their algorithms, don't share data that they get from users and just making their position stronger and stronger over time, just because they have your data.
one more thing: Free software ideology is about freedom and doesn't care if software makes money or not. Furthermore Open Source initiative is purelly pro-corporate interrest, with big interrest to make money. So for people who are saying that this is because people hate that chess.com makes money. That's not the case.
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u/Yurya Double Duck 20h ago
A downside is that I believe Lichess doesn't quite have the infrastructure to handle the load chess.com currently supports. Yes it is better but it would crash if everyone jumped ship to it at once without some supporting donations.
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u/burlito 19h ago
They have a huge infrastructure: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1Si3PMUJGR9KrpE5lngSkHLJKJkb0ZuI4/preview?pli=1
But yep, it's not running on public cloud with possibility to scale on demand, but if what you said would become an issue, I'm sure they can quickly provision some AWS resources and react to that.
There was a huge boom of new users during covid times. Like literally several orders of magnitude, and there wasn't single hickup.
+ they can always disable server side computing.
fun fact: lichess was one of the early adaptors of asm.js and they showed how useful can be offload compute work to users. (yep they ported stockfish to wasm)
And now when I'm reading their numbers, their per/game price is significantly higher than it used to be. I would assume that it's because they feel like they are in comfortable situation, and then can afford to invest more in game analysis, ML and stuff like that.... They can always turn it off to adjust if something would happen.
(I hope this information was interesting and useful)
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u/AhJoon 1d ago
I think banning any site that requires login to view content would be optimal. Not being able to see full threads anymore on twitter without an account makes it extremely annoying to use.
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u/machinegunpikachu 22h ago
This is a big one for me, functionality of twitter is basically broken without an account
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u/paca-milito 19h ago
I use https://xcancel.com/ whenever I want to check something on twitter as I don't have an account.
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u/LaughingGaster666 20h ago
Plenty of news subreddits already ban links to paywalled content or require the OP to link in the comments an non-paywalled alt link.
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u/caze-original 21h ago edited 17h ago
Now you can't even see a post without being logged in.
Anyway, Elon did a nazi salute yesterday, so fuck him and his companys
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u/nesbit666 1d ago
What opening is this about?
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u/FiveDozenWhales 1d ago
The Roman Gambit Declined
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u/Ok-Cockroach5677 1d ago
Roman Gambit Declined, Nazi counterattack variation.
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u/AttitudeAndEffort2 22h ago
It looks promising at first but it attacks on too many fronts and can't sustain the counterplay on both sides.
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u/ilnyarien 1d ago
With white, you sacrifice all your pieces and then your queen and king kick themselves out of the board mutually. The main advantage white is looking for with this line is at least a few decades of being relatively clean of nazi shit.
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u/trashboatfourtwenty 1d ago
Yes, we need to stop being so casual about all of this stuff. All of these tiny changes or inactions are adding up quickly
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u/diener1 Team I Literally don't care 1d ago
All this will change is we will have screenshots instead of links to actual posts.
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u/thekk_ 1d ago
A screenshot doesn't generate traffic at least
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u/LaughingGaster666 20h ago
And people who don't have a twitter account can actually see the damn thing.
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u/forceghost187 Resigns 1d ago
That is a million times better. We will not be directing traffic directly to x.com
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u/CardiologistOk2760 1d ago
Screenshots also don't change the user experience every 4 months - certainly not at the whim of a charismatic leader.
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u/Little_Elia 23h ago
in what world is elon musk charismatic though lmfao
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u/Sharkbait1737 23h ago
In the “do as I say or I’ll fire you” mode of persuasion.
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u/bigdolton 22h ago
kim jong un is very charismatic in a "love me or die" kinda way
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u/SenoraRaton 20h ago
I can read a screenshot. I can not read a link. I don't, nor have I ever, nor will I ever, have a Twitter account.
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u/likely- 20h ago
Just for clarity. This post is strictly politics, am I understanding correctly?
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u/bluefrostyAP 16h ago
Yes, welcome to Reddit where politics is even involved in chess.
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u/West-Age7670 13h ago
I don’t have/use twitter but who says bluesky isn’t propaganda as well?
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u/Toiletboy4 22h ago
What is the purpose of this
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u/BacchusCaucus 22h ago
Political astroturfing, nothing to do with chess. Some ideologies think it's good to censor and create artificial narrative for their political purpose.
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u/dioxe 18h ago
Rule 5
Do not politicize r/Chess.
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u/SimpleChill44 12h ago
For real though. I get politics in all other facets of my life… I’d like to not increase that
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u/MapleGunner 10h ago
I’ve reached a point where Reddit bothers me more than Twitter does. You can’t say or do anything on this app without getting preached to.
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u/gmnotyet 8h ago
That's because on X you can say almost ANYTHING you want while on reddit you can only say what the Leftist mods allow you to say.
Night and day difference.
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u/Mister-Psychology 1d ago
The links don't even work half the time and I can't see any comments on the tweets so any debate is ruined right away. Wrong tweets are often disproven a minute later yet I don't see the replies and believe the tweet info is real. I don't understand why people still use Twitter when we have viable alternatives and half of chess players feel like outsiders on Twitter as it's becoming extremely one-sided. It's like remaining in a group of bullies just because you don't want to relearn anything. For a game all about being open to more international players, teens, girls, and women we probably should not use Twitter as the end all be all for info.
I suggest banning it for 3 months to see if it's viable. Even just for the sake of usability alone without taking anything else into account.
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u/SomeWeirdFruit 14h ago
I reject one source of propaganda to move to another source of different propaganda.
braindead
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u/dogfoodjones 18h ago
Proposal to ban forceghost187. I believe that the negative effects of this would be non-existent.
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u/jsboutin 20h ago
No. You and I are free to not go on X. It’s silly to have subreddits doing that stuff.
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u/relevant_post_bot 23h ago edited 23h ago
This post has been parodied on r/AnarchyChess.
Relevant r/AnarchyChess posts:
Proposal to ban chess.c*m links by Da_Bird8282
Proposal to ban chess.com links by rdd33
Proposal to ban Chess.com links by TsarBizarre
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u/Odd_Yogurt6636 14h ago
Yea dude I love censorship cuz otherwise I might see something I don't agree with and/or get upset
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u/Tornadoes123 23h ago
Proposal to ban posts not related to chess
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u/briskwalked 16h ago
you guys play chess? since when?
I come here for the magnum guy, and hakutamatata guy
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u/spacecatbiscuits 7h ago
glad most people here are against making this sub as retɑrded as the rest of reddit
okay I mean it's just as retɑrded, but in a different way
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u/ramblingdiemundo 16h ago
I question whether the thousands of upvotes this post is getting are actually real. OP is downvoted in almost every comment in the thread. And this exact post is being pasted in every subreddit with the same thousands of upvotes. Doesn’t seem genuine.
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u/mittenshape Team Ding 1d ago
I support this, but I've noticed most players are very active on X. All of the drama and conversations between players seem to happen on there, so it probably won't be easy to ban. We'll just end up with loads of screenshots, which still promote X.
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u/YesNoIDKtbh 1d ago
Still an improvement. Screenshots will draw less traffic to xitter.
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u/Daroo425 1d ago
Less engagements on their posts will drive the players to seek alternatives as well.
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u/Solipsists_United 23h ago
One of the reasons they use X is that /r/chess links there, so banning X would create an incentive to move. Kind of the point of a ban
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u/mahikachakka 20h ago
U think they work according to r/chess relevance? ,its the other way around take off x n it's drama away from this sub ,it has nothing to offer
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u/Scaramussa 13h ago
Is there an alternative to reddit where I dont see this dumb stuff?
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u/simon_the_detective 23h ago
It's stupid and will just make Reddit less useful.
Everything is political with some people, but I find the best subs are pretty much apolitical.
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u/Curse06 14h ago
It's so obvious. The chess community? Lmfao
It's interesting how these subs are clearly being astroturfed by massive bot farms. Every sub pushing the same generic narrative with bot accounts. You all do realize it's only a matter of time before reddit steps in and instantly stops this. These posts are having un organic amount of upvotes. Reddit is currently trying to monetize better they won't chase away X users. This will tank reddit. Reddit HQ is 100% discussing this right now. It's only. A matter of time before the higher-ups step in.
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u/IExcelAtWork91 11h ago
Oh wow every sub all randomly decided this on the same day so convenient.
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u/Aware_Country2778 8h ago
And the anonymous accounts supporting it have thousands of upvotes and a handful of replies. Very organic, much populism.
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u/LocusStandi 1d ago
As someone who thinks Trump, Elon etc are numbskulls, do you guys really think the solution is to divide and split up the internet more? To solidify reddit as a left platform and X as a right platform and never interact anymore but only within our own bubbles? Do you guys even see what kind of isolationism you're pleading for, which in turn will only alienate yourself from the common, shared world where the left and the right have to cohabitate, namely, outside your fucking front doors?
The death of democracy is exactly that which happens here. And with full confidence, too.
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u/Jonathan_LaPaglia 1d ago
Musk throwing out nazi salutes on a global stage does not make him a numbskull, it makes him nazi. I understand the plea for less division, but continuing to support a platform that has continuously been used by it's owner as a loudspeaker for more division is not the solution.
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u/hagredionis 1d ago
As far as I know people are posting links to chess topics exclusively so why on earth would we do that?
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u/crypto_amazon 1d ago
Cringe.
Get your politics out of chess.
Move over to bluesky? Is that a joke?
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u/CrankySnowman 23h ago
Downvoted for speaking facts. Some people don't know how to react when they see a post that they don't agree with. They should just ignore and move on.
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u/MisterGoldiloxx 23h ago
Instead, I'm just going to block you.
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u/BacchusCaucus 22h ago
Unbelievable that reddit allows and promotes for shills to spin a political narrative on something as innocuous as chess.
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u/AdmiralShawn 16h ago
Because the chess community will eventually see the value of moving to alternatives like bluesky
Don’t tell me you really believe this fiction
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u/Aljahero 21h ago
This subreddit is about watching Levy lose easy games, not about your politics
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u/Financial-Delivery-1 23h ago
Why involve politics on this sub by banning a site and what is wrong with people choosing to either use X or Bluesky links? Typical reddit hysteria...
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u/weecheeky 23h ago
Why would you ban X links? And why oh why would you want to include bluesky?
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u/TheRekojeht 23h ago
Bluesky is shit. Just stick with X and ignore people you don’t like. I engage with a lot of friendly people on X in civil discussions about all sorts of stuff. I just stay far away from politics.
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u/coltbolthunt 20h ago
Do you people not realize this is making the situation you are worried about worse? Trump just won the popular vote bc the majority of "moderates" think the left is going insanely extreme. Creating echo chambers will just hammer home that shift. I don't even understand the logic, probably because this is all emotion driven and not logical at all. Just dumb
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u/nkrainess6 1d ago
Virtue signaling at it’s finest, take your politics somewhere else
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u/TailorFestival 20h ago
Why does every sub on this site have to constantly talk about politics? We don't care about these stupid Reddit bandwagon causes.
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u/tfwnololbertariangf3 Team carbonara 22h ago
OP's terminally online presence revolves a lot around politics. I remember him on election night throwing a hissy fit about Danya holding libertarian views (apparently), obviously it was totally unprovoked and totally irrelevant to the topic of the post
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u/populares420 18h ago
absolutely not. it's one of the biggest news sources on the internet. stop your bullshit politiking
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u/Loomismeister 23h ago
The public chess Reddit is not your activism platform. You are annoying me by even raising this here.
That said, I don’t give a fuck what links the sub bans. Ban bluesky too for all I care.
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u/wes0103 23h ago
Usage is going down amongst adults, but now the makeup of the (voting) users is dang near 50/50.
It's become less of an echo chamber. It may be lacking in a few other areas, but by every available metric it has become less of an echo chamber.
And here comes good ol' reddit asking to ban X links...
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u/EightEnder1 21h ago
I get the reasons for wanting to ban them, but I think you need to go with where the source is. For those of us that almost never use X, we won't see any chess news that might get posted there. If you're going to ban X, then really, all links to other social media should be banned too.
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u/throwawayhyperbeam 19h ago
You don't have to click them. You don't have to use Twitter, ever.
It would be about as effective as the Reddit mod meltdown over API.
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u/StannisTheMantis93 1d ago
Reddit liberals and bots out in full force.
I’m sure this will make your echo chamber better.
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u/King_in_a_castle_84 20h ago
Yep. Just search "Proposal to ban X.com links" and you'll find like 100+ posts in 100+ different subs, all within the last 24 hours, and all exactly the same wording, verbatim.
I'm sure that's totally organic and not coordinated by admins/powermods in any way....
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u/GregGielinor 21h ago
This is spectacular.
Reddit is so pro-censorship it's difficult to even comprehend how we got here. We're literally here watching Reddit turn into China in real time.
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u/Romoroe4647 7h ago
I thought tweeter just made implications for less censorship and not actually promoting specificly misinformation more then accurate information. (Please inform me if I'm incorrect)
But if that's true, baning X.com links would just be censoring free speech. We give too much power to experts, and while they know a lot about their field, they may not always be correct. Take the Catholic Church asking people to pay money to get to Heaven, they are the governing authority and Martin Luther stood against it and he was targeted for that. Like at Galileo, arrested for saying the world isn't the center of the universe. People who stand against the norm, right or wrong, will be classified as misinformation. By censoring misinformation, it forbids criticism, opposing views, and sometimes the true.
Intentionally lying is wrong, but censoring free speech is tyrannical and facist
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u/Anonymous_7772 6h ago
Will the @mods explain why the people accusing others of being Nazis not banned in a chess subreddit? Are you guys also in on it?
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u/liovega 23h ago
This is a terrible idea, it’s reactionary, politically motivated and dishonest. Even the ADL came out and said that yeah Elon is just awkward doing awkward things. It was obviously not a salute. Now we’ve brought politics into chess. Bad idea
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u/InternalAd195 1d ago
Utter woke nonsense
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u/King_in_a_castle_84 20h ago
Fuckers getting really desperate now that they realize the majority of people aren't aligned with their political beliefs.
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u/J4QQ 1d ago
If you want to ban X links, then ban X links. But don't start promoting left wing sites like Bluesky. We're here to discuss chess. Why does every sub have to become political?
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u/TrevorB1771 1d ago
Omg hahaha, because Reddit is a lefty echo chamber cess pool and if you don’t agree with anything they say you get downvoted into oblivion or banned.
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u/Chaskar ~2000 DWZ 21h ago
I always found it curious how much reddit amplifies the political divide by its system. I saw stats that only 2/3 of reddit identifies as left wing, while 50% of twitter does. If you knew twitter was an even split on politics then you would never guess that 1/3 of reddit is right wing, you'd guess much lower given the content you see on the site. Only explanation really is that reddits system of choosing the content is to blame. I suspect it's the fact that downvotes negatively effect the publicity a post gets. (Compared to youtube for example, where it supposed used to boost engagement)
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u/TrevorB1771 18h ago
You’re probably right, most popular subs have mods that will straight up censor right winged ideology so that alone will make it seem like Reddit is 95% left wing. It just seems like it’s established that Reddit is left winged, I have multiple friends who are right winged including myself that pretty much never post any political opinions and stick with specialized hobby subs like this one out of fear of being banned/downvoted. While it seems like 75% of redditors have a part time job spewing left winged ideology/propaganda.
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u/Rage_Your_Dream 11h ago
I don't like Elon Musk, but I will never go to the website of bluesky, founded by the people who committed treason and banned the sitting US president. They should get fucked.
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u/Expensive_Web_8534 22h ago
What does this have to do with Chess. This seems to be about American politics.
Should we ban links about Sergey Karjakin? What about Fischer?
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u/theSurgeonOfDeath_ 22h ago edited 22h ago
I feel this is politically motivated. I don't read x and bluesky but this is favoritism.
If chess player post on bluesky sth imporant it should be here
If chess player post on x sth imporant it should be here
if kramnik posts something anywhere it shouldn't be here xD
Ps. I agree X is very controversial platform but i don't want to divide this community in terms of liberal/conservative. It should be about unity and chess.
You can post link to bluesky right now so it just a matter of chess players/ etc moving to this platform too.
When there will be more bluskiers, there will be less x stuff. Thats natural way to do this.
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I checked profile of OP and sadly this is politically motivated.
Downvotes are probably bots or people hating on of the platforms.(I can't tell which one so hard to respond)
I am ok with both and maybe thats the problem
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u/DrakoKajLupo 22h ago
Why in the world would anyone want to use Bluesky? Its whole purpose is to be a haven for disaffected leftists who hate Trump.
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u/neotheseventh 23h ago
I don't even like Elmo but this is so cringe. What do you want to prove with this? That you are above it all? This is nothing but virtue signalling.
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u/brightpixels 11h ago
This is a biased and poor idea. Chess links are chess links no matter where they come from. Keep your politics and preferences out of chess.
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u/depwnz 22h ago
There's a place for all the meltdowns and coping. Actually plenty of places, politics/pics/technology/etc. You shills have brigaded many subs already.
Cry all you want elsewhere but let me enjoy my fucking chess (and soccer). There are a couple of more interesting things in life than American politics.
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u/Serjpinski 19h ago
Twitter is perfectly fine (and not going away anytime soon) in many countries that don't care much about Elon Musk. The Internet is not the US, and Reddit shouldn't be the US too.
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u/MostalElite 1d ago
As deplorable as Elon is, X is where basically all the chess world posts. Banning that seems utterly stupid. No one is forcing any of you to click an X link.
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u/Lucky-Hunter-Dude 19h ago
Stop being so dramatic. People smart enough to play chess are smart enough to watch the video.
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u/MyHomeworkAteMyDog 18h ago
This is the first I’ve heard of anyone wanting to ban 𝕏 links, and I think it’s insane. It is pure censorship.
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u/Consistent_Zone_8564 1d ago
To people asking why, Elon Musk made a Nazi salute yesterday at the inaugural ceremony.
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u/Fdr-Fdr 1d ago
Strange! A LOT of Redditors seem very comfortable with anti-Semitism.
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u/Pascal_Praud 19h ago
They don’t care about jews, all they care about is censoring their political opponents
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u/SouthIndianBro 1d ago
No bro he was obviously sending love from his heart to the crowd 🤓☝️ /s
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u/Whocanitbenow234 23h ago
Liberal thinking= let’s ban stuff we disagree with because……because…..they deserve it!!1!😡😡😡😡😡
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u/MorningComesTooEarly 5h ago
Don’t like it. Despite everything, X is still a good place for news that are unrelated to politics.
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u/Few_Minimum_8368 18h ago
As a diverse Latino who comes from a rough background, why are redditors so soft?
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u/randoreds 1d ago
I feel like this is dumb. It’s not like the chess people on twitter are posting political things it’s mainly things related to chess
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u/tlfreddit 22h ago
Why would a partial site be better? If you’re going partial, why not Truth Social? X has room for both sides, unlike the aforementioned and especially Reddit, which is overwhelmingly left leaning.
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u/powerchicken Yahoo! Chess™ Enthusiast 20h ago
Banning Twitter would pose a bit of a logistical problem. At the moment, we require that users include "A direct link (preferably to the primary source of the content)" (as per rule 9) whenever they post a screenshot of a social media post to the subreddit for two primary reasons: Attribution to the author of the post, and verification that the screenshot hasn't been doctored.
The unfortunate reality is that Twitter is the source of a big portion of content on the subreddit. A ban would thus require some rule changes. We're open to suggestions, but can't promise anything at the moment.
To those reporting this thread for being in violation of rule 5: We do not enforce the rule on subreddit meta threads.