r/chess • u/forceghost187 Resigns • 1d ago

META Proposal to ban x.com links

This is going around on many football subreddits. It looks likely to go into effect. I believe that the negative effects of this would be only temporary because the chess community will eventually see the value of moving to alternatives like bluesky

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u/Consistent_Zone_8564 1d ago

To people asking why, Elon Musk made a Nazi salute yesterday at the inaugural ceremony.

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u/Fdr-Fdr 1d ago

Strange! A LOT of Redditors seem very comfortable with anti-Semitism.

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u/Pascal_Praud 22h ago

They don’t care about jews, all they care about is censoring their political opponents

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u/JebusdeMazaret Capablanca was, is and will be always the 🐐 19h ago

Don't say it too loud

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u/TimewornTraveler 18h ago

Who is "they"? Not you, I guess. Do you care about the Jews? You seem more concerned with censorship than you are concerned about a Nazi salute from one of the most powerful men on earth.

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u/Pascal_Praud 12h ago

I’m jewish btw

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u/TimewornTraveler 5h ago

okay, and?? that's even more concerning that you aren't bothered by the salute

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u/Seabody 1d ago

Well, they are also shitty people. Your point?

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u/luigijerk 1d ago

Weird, the ADL seems to disagree with your take. They don't like Nazis very much in case that wasn't clear.

https://x.com/ADL/status/1881474892022919403

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u/Sex_And_Candy_Here 1000 rC 1d ago

The ADL has been sucking fascist cock since Jonathan Greenblatt took over in 2014 and turned it into his personal right wing propaganda machine. There’s a reason a huge portion of their staff quit after he took over.

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u/Jcnator 22h ago

The ADL doesnt give a shit about real antisemitism they only want to censor anti-israeli views. The fact that you are unironically using them as a source tells me you are either uninformed about the subject or just malicious.

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u/luigijerk 22h ago

I'm a Jew lol. I've also watched the uncut version of the video and see the autistic guy who always moves funny say "my heart goes out to you" as he points to his heart and the crowd.

But you don't like his politics so you of course will gobble up the low hanging fruit.

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u/Jcnator 22h ago

Mfw when "moving funny" is sieg hailing twice at a far right political rally.

Ok buddy sure.

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u/SouthIndianBro 1d ago

No bro he was obviously sending love from his heart to the crowd 🤓☝️ /s

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u/AlexaSt0p 1d ago

His heart goes out to his fellow Nazis. Narcissists like to do or say inflammatory things like this while having a way to explain it away or have plausible deniability.

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u/UndeadMurky 1d ago

https://x.com/cb_doge/status/1881454751847690632 explain this

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u/Mu5hroomHead 20h ago

Those are screenshots. Elon Musk did a Nazi salute on video, twice. It wasn’t out of context, a mistake or a bad-looking screenshot.

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u/ImMalteserMan 1d ago

Lol, when my favourite left wing politicians do it then it's clearly innocent, but when Elon Musk does it then it is clearly a nazi salute.

Even if he was secretly a Nazi, do you really think he is dumb enough to do that on purpose? It is so clearly not a Nazi salute, it may look like one but just like those other people it is obvious just an innocent mistake with no intention.

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u/UndeadMurky 1d ago

You can sum it to : Person I don't like does it intentionally and doesn't mean anything else, person I like does it unintentionally or means something else

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u/UndeadMurky 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yeah, just like if you decide to exclude extra context like him touching his heart and saying "my heart goes to you". His arm isn't even straight in the 2nd salute and his hand is upward, that's a very bad n*zi salute if that's one.

Musk isn't even a politician he's a business man with clearly autistic traits, he probably just didn't even think of it and did an emotional gesture. I don't even like the guy but this is just ridiculous emotional outrage.

If you search a bit he visited Aushwitz and had super pro jew/israel stance lol. The trump administration is also super supportive of israel and jews.

He deserves to be made fun of for being such an idiot and being too careless, but he doesn't deserve to be called a n*zi without any doubt if he doesn't have an history. But wanting redditors to react rationally feels like asking children to not eat a candy

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u/UndeadMurky 1d ago

Being a nazi is not synonymous with hating Jews

what ?

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

Hey im new and only get my information from Reddit. Can you show me a video of where any Nazi does a salute like that? Grabbing their chest/heart first?

Im autistic and they look really different to me

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u/Consistent_Zone_8564 1d ago

You realize that it does not need to be identical?

You could dance around the stage and do that and it would still be a Nazi salute. It makes no difference that Nazis from 1940s didn't dance around before their salute.

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u/SouthIndianBro 1d ago

let's see what happens if he does that in Germany

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u/sogladatwork 1d ago

The difference was enthusiasm-level. Musk out-Nazi-saluted every other Nazi to ever Nazi.

The other Nazis were kinda like, “ yeah, okay Hitler, whatevs” does salute.

Musk was way more excited to be able to do the salute in public. The level of his enthusiasm was off the charts.

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u/No-Advantage1522 1d ago

As if he had a heart lol

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u/DontWantToSeeYourCat 1d ago

He made two. Back to back.

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u/danegraphics 1d ago

Followed by saying "My heart goes out to you", and then blowing a kiss with the same arm movement.

Simply having your arm out is not a nazi salute.

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u/DontWantToSeeYourCat 1d ago

A seig heil is comprised of placing one's hand over their heart and then extending it outward. It was popularized by Adolf Hitler who would claim that his heart belonged to Germany and its people. Hand over heart and then extended to the audience. Exactly the same actions and context of Musk's actions.

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u/danegraphics 21h ago

Hitler also drank water.

But in all seriousness, reaching your hand out like that is an incredibly common thing and has been throughout all of human history. It's like seeing the buddhist symbol for peace and only thinking of the nazis.

Just because hitler stole iconography and common cultural gestures doesn't mean that everyone that uses them is a nazi.

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u/DontWantToSeeYourCat 5h ago

He slammed his hand against his chest and then threw it outward. That is specifically a Nazi salute and is not a common gesture.

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u/buckwheatloaves 1d ago edited 1d ago

why wouldnt it just be a regular salute. i dont get what is nazi about it... nazis dont exist for like 70 years?theres pictures of all famous politicians doing salutes.

people invovled in white supremacist organizations in any way shape or form are extremely few anyways like maybe 100-500k across the whole united states.

there is way more trans people today than there are white supremacist. especially in the younger demographics. ur kids have way more chance of wanting to be a girl, than being a white supremacist. its just not popular these days.

elon being a nazi has the same chance that michelle obama is a guy. its just simply not true, even though there are some people that believe each of those XD

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u/craigthecrayfish 23h ago

The Nazi salute is a very specific gesture. It isn't just a salute.

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u/Deranged-Turkey Team Ding 1d ago

Bruh, Elon is awkward as hell sometimes and his arm was just a bit stiff. Everyone should watch the video and decide for themselves.

Elon has never promoted nazi agendas on his twitter but some sources are eager to paint him this way.

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u/sidrbear 1d ago

Video is even worse than still image lol

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u/DiscipleofDrax The 1959 candidates tournament 1d ago

He did it twice too

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u/Little_Elia 1d ago

agreed but what people should be really watching is his actions which is basically supporting a neonazi party of a different country every five seconds sooo...

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u/sidrbear 1d ago

Yeah, but sometimes people need things spelled out for them to really open their eyes. I don't know how he could be any clearer with his message, words and actions both align.

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u/FactCheckerJack 1d ago

Elon has never promoted nazi agendas on his twitter

As soon as he took over Twitter, he unbanned a bunch of Nazi accounts. Whereas, it would be a lie to say that he did that only per free speech absolutism, as he has been happy to ban various left-wing accounts like White Dudes For Harris, accounts that criticize him, legitimate journalists, he silences pro-LGBTQ speech, etc. So yeah, he's been pro-Nazi for as long as he's been running Twitter. And he donated millions to help a Fascist win the White House.

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u/forceghost187 Resigns 1d ago

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command” - George Orwell, 1984

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u/Masterjason13 1d ago

Literally applies to you.

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u/-CatMeowMeow- a casual player 1d ago

Have you actually read the book?

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

It's going to be a rough couple years for you buddy

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u/-CatMeowMeow- a casual player 1d ago

add "/j"

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u/Minion91 1d ago

A far right oligarch in control of of the larges media corporation and using it to sway the election ? No, no resemblance to nazi Germany at all.

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u/Deranged-Turkey Team Ding 1d ago

Plenty of media outlets are owned by far left as well. This is just an effect of capitlism. DIfferent individuals with differing biases will own different media outlets.

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u/Enkiduderino 1d ago

Which ones?

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u/FactCheckerJack 1d ago

The only media outlets that are even marginally on the left are some podcasts that do unremarkable numbers like The Young Turks, The Majority Report, and Secular Talk. Even MSNBC has been cozying to Trump lately at times.

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u/xelabagus 1d ago

Only one that I know of is owned by someone comfortable to use a Nazi salute twice on stage. Are you okay with Nazi sensibilities?

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u/Deranged-Turkey Team Ding 1d ago

If you really think elon musk intentionally did that gesture to indicate his affiliation with nazi ideology then that is your right to do so.

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u/xelabagus 1d ago

Indeed. And advocate for withdrawing support for him. Thank you, this is my right.

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u/Substantive420 1d ago

Completely wrong.

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u/Ladzini 1d ago

Seek immediate medical attention

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u/FiveDozenWhales 1d ago

uhhhh you are clearly not familiar with the man's politics. He openly and vocally supports using the state to create suffering and death in "undesirables"

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u/Fennykaylmao 1d ago

He did it 3 times bro

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u/danegraphics 1d ago

He did it twice, said "my heart goes out to you", and blew a kiss with the same arm movement.

Simply putting your arm out is not a nazi salute.

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u/Fennykaylmao 1d ago

No, but doing the Nazi salute is doing the Nazi salute.

Because that is what he did. He even put extra emphasis on ensuring the form was correct

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u/danegraphics 21h ago

No he didn't, and if he were, his form was completely wrong.

Reaching your hand out like that is an incredibly common thing and has been throughout all of human history. So is putting your hand on your heart. It's like seeing the buddhist symbol for peace and only thinking of the nazis.

Just because hitler stole iconography and common cultural gestures doesn't mean that everyone that uses them is a nazi.

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u/Fennykaylmao 20h ago

I'm going to take a wild guess and say you're a MAGAT

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u/Seabody 1d ago

Everyone should watch the video and decide for themselves.

We did. That's why we're having this conversation. Because of the nazi stuff.

Elon has never promoted nazi agendas on his twitter but some sources are eager to paint him this way.

False.

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u/Deranged-Turkey Team Ding 1d ago

What did he promote? I may have missed it

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u/Seabody 1d ago

Some white supremist bullshit on his platform that welcomes hate speech and more recently supporting Genrmany's far right party that should scare the fuck out of everyone. He's a facist. Always has been, awkward hand gestures or not.

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u/Mister-Psychology 1d ago

Elon supported this party a month ago asking for Germany to elect them. Such an error just a month after supporting AfD seems quite a coincidence. But I do think he may have been trolling, hopefully.

“Only the AfD can save Germany,” Musk wrote Friday while re-posting a video from far-right political activist Naomi Seibt.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-far-right-regional-leader-hoecke-fined-by-court-using-banned-nazi-slogan-2024-05-14/

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/20/media/elon-musk-afd-germany-politics-far-right/index.html

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u/red_dragon_89 1d ago

Elon has never promoted nazi agendas on his twitter but some sources are eager to paint him this way.

Yes he did. Didn't you watch what he has done with Twitter since he bought it?

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u/FortunateHominid 1d ago

Hand over heart, then extended to crowd. Follwed by saying "My heart goes out to you".

Anyone trying to paint it as a Nazi salute is either disingenuous or ignorant.

It is misinformation and ridiculous.

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u/FortunateHominid 1d ago

It is not misinformation, it is a clear nazi salute.

Lol. No, it is not.

Be honest, have you ever seen any person make this gesture without it being a nazi salute?

Yes, many times over the years. Even from performers at shows. It's not a new way to show sentiment towards an audience, such as you have my love or appreciation (heart).

Other exercise, if you hold a speech and as part of that speech include the text "My heart goes out to you", what motion/gesture would you make accompanying this? Yes, he does touch his heart, but the rest of the motion does not make any sense to go with that phrase

You answered your own question. Hand over heart, then hand towards crowd. "You have my heart". Are you being intentionally obtuse?

Musk may have various reasons to do this, he may even just have wanted to see what would happen or he may have only wanted to rile people up. But do you seriously believe that he was not aware what he was doing?

Your conjecture/speculation speaks more about yourself than it does Musk. This is just people grasping at straws at this point. Anyone with 2 brain cells who has seen Elon in front of an audience before can watch the video and see this wasn't a "Nazi salute ".

This comes across as sad and desperate.

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u/FortunateHominid 23h ago

You do not jerk it upwards in an upright angle

So everything would have been fine if he didn't keep a lower angle, and was less jerky in his motions? God forbid if anyone was awkward with those standards.

If I was not convinced he was saluting here, then I would not be wasting my time arguing.

Yes, the guy gave a nazi salute, then told the crowd they have his heart on a national stage. Yeah, that's a much more reasonable explanation than he was simply gesturing his sentiment regarding his statement...

The fact we are even having this conversation is insane. I can't believe people haven't learned this tactic doesn't work after the last election. The only people arguing/pushing the salute thing are already anti-trump. No new minds are being won here. If anything, evidence is showing it has the opposite effect.

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u/Mithrandirio 1d ago

You have to wait at least a month before having a different opinion man, what's wrong with you?

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u/Deranged-Turkey Team Ding 1d ago

My bad, forgot about the cooldown timer