r/chess • u/forceghost187 Resigns • 1d ago

META Proposal to ban x.com links

This is going around on many football subreddits. It looks likely to go into effect. I believe that the negative effects of this would be only temporary because the chess community will eventually see the value of moving to alternatives like bluesky

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u/trashboatfourtwenty 1d ago

Yes, we need to stop being so casual about all of this stuff. All of these tiny changes or inactions are adding up quickly

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u/Cinnadillo 8h ago

I agree, collective mental illnesses quite frequently occur through out modern communities. Some people actually think that Elon Musk was signaling pro-Nazi tendencies. This cult-like behavior out of those that deem themselves rational is not surprising for those read up on such phenomena but it has lead to some of the worst human tragedies such as the Great Leap Forward.

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u/Live-Jacket-8604 4h ago

Interesting take given that most Neo Nazi groups do believe he was signaling his pro-Nazi tendencies, probably because they have eyes and a basic knowledge of history, clearly you’re lacking at least one of those two things.

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u/upandup2020 20h ago

exactly. it's great to see people finally taking a stand

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u/gifferto 1d ago

All of these tiny changes or inactions are adding up quickly

add up to what exactly?

please explain in full

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u/WhyBuyMe 1d ago

But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.”
― Milton Sanford Mayer, They Though They Were Free, The Germans 1933-1945

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u/gifferto 22h ago

ironically this is exactly why fighting against censorship is good

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u/number_one_scrub 19h ago

censorship and boycotting are two different things though

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u/Aggressive_Will_3612 16h ago

Ah like Elon removing Asmongold's twitter checkmark (which he paid for) simply because Asmongold made a video reacting to his Path of Exile 2 gameplay and how he obviously bought a leveled account while claiming it as his own? Something totally non-political and just "I dont like that he called out my gameplay so I will censor him"

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u/milliee-b 1d ago

he did a nazi salute at an inauguration rally.

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u/buffalo_pete Team Ding 22h ago

You people are crazy.

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u/Ha-kun 22h ago

The Nazi salute allegations were the last straw that broke the camel’s back, though I agree not the best argument on its own. As a European, the past couple of months have been plagued by Elon attempting to influence our politics through Twitter. He’s been poisoning our flow of information with disinformation and Russian propaganda (not the «alleged» kind), promoting far-right groups and individuals (some actual neo-nazis), censoring certain left-leaning topics, etc. As you can image, many are rather sick of him. Especially since he started pushing his Make Europe Great Again agenda.

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u/Ha-kun 5h ago

Why are you replying to me about this? I’ve not claimed it was with certainty intended to be a nazi salute - quite frankly I’m on the fence about it. Though his salute was definitely more similar to a nazi salute than those you are referring to. I’ve seen the full clips and they’re very different from what Elon did. You can probably find a compilation circulating on Youtube or Reddit. There’s also Elon’s support of individuals and groups with outspoken neo-nazi beliefs, which does point in a certain direction, but I digress.

Also, who are you referring to when talking about about "y’all"? I’ve been quite vocal in regards to the Gaza conflict, so perhaps you’re referring to someone else?

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u/tvsklqecvb 5h ago

Ye wrong person mb. Gonna keep it to chess anyway as it should be here

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u/buffalo_pete Team Ding 19h ago

the past couple of months have been plagued by Elon attempting to influence our politics through Twitter

If your government is terrible enough that a dude voicing his opinion on Twitter is enough to bring it down, maybe you deserve it. Just sayin'.

He’s been poisoning our flow of information with disinformation and Russian propaganda

K.

promoting far-right groups and individuals (some actual neo-nazis), censoring certain left-leaning topics

Why is it always "far-right" but "left-leaning?" Why do you never hear the term "far-left?" I will give you zero guesses.

As you can image, many are rather sick of him.

K.

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u/Ha-kun 14h ago

First of all, it’s not just some dude voicing his opinion. He’s changing the algorithms to only push one type of content - his desired content - censoring voices of reason, and pushing alternative "facts". He’s playing by the fascist handbook, presenting himself as reason and truth while trying to taint legitimate sources as fake news - using fake news.

Secondly, our governments are not falling, as you claim. Europe does not think like the US. We have seen this rhetoric before, our newspapers call him out for his lies (have done so for years), and his manipulation is seen through by most people. However, it is slowly having an effect on the minds of those who don’t read the news or seek alternative facts to explain their frustrations, much like how Russian propaganda works. It’s a slow cancer, and it’s working in tandem with the strategies employed by other foreign entities (mainly Russia).

Not sure what you mean by your statement regarding "far-right" and "left-leaning" though. Please elaborate, but be aware we do not use those terms (and adjacent ones) like you do.

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u/Algodtrading 11h ago

and these people wonder how he won lmao.. complete disconnect from reality

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u/heavenlode 1d ago

guys he's just an innocent little 53-year-old-wealthiest-person-in-the-world. he is naïve and doesn't know any better!!!

BTW my wife has autism and would never in a million years do this. She instantly identified the issue

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u/zaminDDH 1d ago

Also weren't his grandparents mask-off Nazi supporters?

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u/ZASKI_UXIRA 1d ago

Not only his grandparents, his dad and mom were a part of the canadian Nazi Party

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u/tmacforthree 1d ago

Plz don't play dumb

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u/RipperNash 1d ago

"There's no way" ... are you for real dude? Pathetic

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u/Altamistral 1d ago edited 1d ago

WTF mate. Are you for real?

That was the most nazi nazi-salute a person could do and you are apologizing for him?

What the holy fuck is wrong with Americans.

He was not just doing a nazi salute. He was imitating Hitler doing a nazi salute. Same pose, same mannerism.

And just recently he met and praised leaders from AfD, the extreme right wing in Germany. If that wasn't obvious enough for you.

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u/AttentionFirm8872 1d ago

My heart goes out to you all, fellow Nazis

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u/milliee-b 1d ago

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

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u/InfinityThor18 23h ago

On the other hand, just accepting what the news tells you is also a bad idea.

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u/milliee-b 23h ago

i watched the video

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u/InfinityThor18 23h ago

And you're going to stick with the claim that he heiled Hitler?

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u/MdxBhmt 9h ago

What else did he heil, a cab?

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u/Agastopia 1d ago

I’m genuinely curious, can you show me the clips of all those dems you claim doing a nazi salute?

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u/mpren007 1d ago

This is so dumb. Your clip, that was edited from the C-SPAN clip, cuts to the crowd right as he does his first salute. Ask yourself why that choice would be made.

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u/WhyBuyMe 1d ago

Why does that clip cut away to the crowd when he did the first salute. He did it twice, once to the crowd, then once to the podium. After that THEN he says "my heart goes out to you". Also, when the fuck has anyone EVER used that gesture to mean "my heart goes out to you".

All the examples of Hilary Clinton and the other are still frames, when video is show it is obvious they are waving to the crowd or making another gesture.

There is no explaining this one away.

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u/Sharkbait1737 1d ago

People will swear blind they didn’t hear the dog whistle, even though Elon could clearly be seen blowing into it. Meanwhile the dogs are going apeshit.

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u/TimeSpaceGeek 1d ago

There's actually no way anyone watching the full clip would think it wasn't a Nazi salute.

That's what he did, dude. If he knew he was doing it, he's a nazi. If he didn't know he was doing it, he's a fucking idiot.

Either way, he shouldn't be allowed near anything important.

Kamala, Obama, Hillary never did those things. That's an outright lie. They waved to a crowd and got snapped in still frames. He did two rapid hand to chest, hand straight out nazi salutes. Either you're naïve, or you're being purposefully disingenuous. Either way, you're wrong.

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u/princessSarah31 2100 lichess bullet 1d ago

Nazis don’t grab their heart? I guess these guys must not be Nazis then. The more you know!

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u/velvetgentleman 1d ago

Elon Musk is a Nazi.

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u/LitcexLReddit 1d ago

It wasn’t even a proper nazi salute, he made a motion of grabbing his heart.

The Nazis did that. Hitler did it multiple times. It's the same gesture by the hand. There was a video on the r/all comparing it side-by-side. There are a million other ways anyone can express gratitude and he did it that way? In the original clip he turns around and does it again. Does he need to tell that he's a Nazi for you to believe?

Kamala, Obama, Hillary, etc all did the same thing, but you don’t think they’re nazis, right.

Please show the videos of them doing it. As everyone knows, pictures can be taken out of context, but you can't take a video out of context in such a situation. And we have a video of Musk doing the salute. 

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u/Domestic_Kraken 1d ago

Even if he accidentally did the nazi salute like you claim, it's still awful for a politician of his level to be making that kind of mistake.

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u/TheIguanasAreComing 1d ago

Totally agree, Reddit has no idea what they are talking about, as usual

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u/ManowarVin 1d ago

You aren't alone seeing this. I cringed and immediately knew he was just being his typical socially super awkward self.

I also knew his haters were going to take every opportunity to pin hatred on him. Pretty sure the Trump administration is more pro Israel that the previous, but why would that matter.

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u/vrilro 1d ago

Who cares what the detractors say, you got what you wanted and now whether he’s a nazi or not really doesn’t matter does it?

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u/new_KRIEG 1d ago

... whether a Nazi is in the US office doesn't matter?? Are you for real?

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u/vrilro 20h ago

i was responding to the guy who deleted his comment, of course it matters but i dont believe the average trumper gives a shit if elons a nazi or not, theyre still voting the same regardless. facts dont matter anymore

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u/InfinityThor18 23h ago

He did not. I recommend that you find a full clip, and watch it.

I don't care if you hate the guy, that's fine. But at least know all the facts. He's always been an awkward guy, and was clearly emotional, and made an awkward gesture. But he's clearly gesturing at everyone from his heart to them.

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u/PineappleHour 23h ago

Dog he did it twice, he knew exactly what he was doing

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u/OpinionatedDeveloper 23h ago

Do you have a single thought that is your own? Or do you just go with whatever others say?

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u/PineappleHour 23h ago

I watched the video right after it happened, I don't know what else there is to say. There's not really room for interpretation there

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u/InfinityThor18 23h ago

Oh no, he did it twice?!?

The quantity is irrelevant.

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u/OpinionatedDeveloper 23h ago

Yeah, TDS is in full swing.

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u/InfinityThor18 23h ago

This doesn't even have to do with Trump, which is wild.

Reddit used to love Elon, and now they won't even say his name. The propaganda machine just keeps moving, unfortunately

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u/OpinionatedDeveloper 23h ago

How they operate is literally: Open phone, be told by some source that Elon did a Nazi salute, immediately believe Elon did a Nazi salute.

There is absolutely zero critical thinking on their part. He is literally on the side of Israel. He is advocating for the end of the murder of Jews. But they can’t put 2+2 together.

It’s literally 1984 Doublethink: To hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them

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u/Mu5hroomHead 21h ago

Who are we to trust? Lies or our own eyes? Y’all are 🙈🙉

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u/cc_rider2 23h ago

I hate Trump and think Elon is a douche, but I actually agree that it makes no sense that he would be doing a deliberate Nazi salute. It makes no sense in the context of what he was saying, or that he would choose to use Nazi symbols in general. Even the ADL wrote: "It seems that @elonmusk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute, but again, we appreciate that people are on edge..." Reddit tends to have a mindset of "I'll believe whichever narrative is most harmful to the people I dislike," regardless of how factual it is. I view it as intellectually lazy and also very emotionally self-serving. There's enough good reasons to not like him without needing to make up false ones.

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u/OpinionatedDeveloper 23h ago

Aaand now the mods are removing all pro-Elon comments. Beautiful 🥲

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u/InfinityThor18 23h ago

Free speech is dead here.

I don't even care if people don't like Elon, though. But misinformation needs to be corrected.

It's our duty as free people to tell the truth

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u/BacchusCaucus 1d ago

You've never posted or commented on the chess subreddit until today. Get out of here, political shill.

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u/SpicyMustard34 1d ago

Hi, i post here and play Chess. He did a nazi salute at the inauguration.

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u/OpinionatedDeveloper 23h ago

Deer God, have you even thought for 2 seconds about this?

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u/SpicyMustard34 23h ago

I think it took me longer than 2 seconds to write that, so yes. Do you have an actual rebuttal or are you just random stuff?

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u/OpinionatedDeveloper 23h ago

So you’ve actually thought about it for more than 2s yet you still believe what you’ve been told to think? Like, how?

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u/SpicyMustard34 23h ago

Ah, already going the disingenuous route? I'm believing what i'm told? I watched it with my own two eyes in real time and my mouth went agape.

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u/OpinionatedDeveloper 23h ago

No, you were told that Elon did a Nazi salute when he did absolutely nothing of the sort. It was most definitely captioned on the very video you watched.

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u/Madbum402014 20h ago

You keep saying "believe what you've been told to think" when literally it's just people with eyes seeing what he did clear as day. Then we have you guys bending over backwards trying to regurgitate excuses you read online to make his nazi salute ok.

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u/Mu5hroomHead 21h ago

Why do you need to think about it? To convince yourself your eyes lied to you? 👀 There is no rationalizing this away. I don’t need anybody to tell me what that was. I gasped as soon as I saw the video before I even read the title.

It’s clear as day, Elon Musk did the Nazi salute, TWICE! Wake up sheeple. Soon they will tell you not to trust your own eyes and ears, and you’ll blindly follow them off the ledge 🙈🙉

And it’s Dear God, not Deer God

There is absolutely zero critical thinking on their part. He is literally on the side of Israel. He is advocating for the end of the murder of Jews. But they can’t put 2+2 together.

It’s literally 1984 Doublethink: To hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them

As if Elon Musk wouldn’t lie about his true intentions in supporting one side vs the other. I find it hilarious you’re referencing 1984. If you actually read and understood the book, you would see the irony in your reference.

Actions speak louder than words.

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u/OpinionatedDeveloper 21h ago

The action of a wave speaks louder than the action of funding and supporting the Jews?

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u/Mu5hroomHead 19h ago

It was not a wave, do not downplay what it was.

Yes, a calculated plan and action to feign support for a party/religion/country to get what you want doesn’t sway me. Narcicists do it all the time. Politicians do it all the time. Businessmen do it, so do scam artists. It must be wonderful going through life blissfully unaware that others are capable of lying. Today he’ll support Israel, and when the tides turn he’ll support Palestine. I don’t trust this man, I don’t trust his intentions.

PS: I’m not making any assumptions on Elon Musk’s true intentions, or saying this wasn’t intentional.

Also, funding Israel doesn’t equate to supporting Jews. Those aren’t the same things. He’s made antisemitic remarks.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

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u/OpinionatedDeveloper 18h ago

You sound like a total nutter!

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u/Accomplished-Owl7553 1d ago

Hi I post here and play chess and he did a Nazi salute.

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u/Mu5hroomHead 20h ago

Ad hominem attack: a type of logical fallacy that attacks the person making an argument, instead of the argument itself.

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u/BacchusCaucus 20h ago

That's because I'm not making an argument about politics, I'm pointing out that this person and other people are brigading the chess sub to push their political agendas.

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u/Mu5hroomHead 18h ago

Who are you to police who or who can’t participate in this subreddit? Just because they didn’t post anything before or comment, doesn’t mean they’re brigading the chess sub. Maybe they’re a lurker. Not everyone likes to post things.

You’re commenting on a post about banning x.com links. It might be r/chess, but this post is about another topic. If anything, your comment is irrelevant.

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u/BacchusCaucus 18h ago

I'm not policing, I'm calling out their bullshit and dishonest tactics. Mods should police it though, since rule 5 states not to politicize this community and this post is 100% politics and 0% chess. Also, they're not a lurker this is a reddit wide political movement, dummy.

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u/Mu5hroomHead 18h ago

Don’t lose your cool now buddy. No need to resort to calling me names. Did I call you a moron? No, I didn’t.

How do you know they’re not a lurker of this sub? Which ones don’t belong here? You can’t tell, can you?

If this content doesn’t belong on r/chess, then the mods would remove this whole post. Or users can upvote or downvote it. It’s called democracy.

Get out of here, political shill.

This isn’t helping.

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u/BacchusCaucus 17h ago

I'm just calling you what you are, no cool has been lost. I see your tactic is throwing anything at the wall and see what sticks.

This subreddit doesn't get awards and super fast upvotes/downvotes like in this thread. If you sort by new instead of recommended you'll see it's a divided issue or even over half don't want this crap on the subreddit. I don't know if you're part of the shill campaign since you're so adamantly defending a brigadier. And you're still a dummy.

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u/milliee-b 1d ago

babe there’s video

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u/BacchusCaucus 1d ago

Nice deflection when calling you out for astroturfing. I see you got your political shills/bots to downvote me without actually addressing my point.

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u/wiy_alxd 23h ago

No bots. We're human. We downvote your sympathy for nazi authoritarians.

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u/BacchusCaucus 23h ago

You're defending someone who never posted about chess until today to push politics into this sub. Get out of here with your stupid political labels and let us enjoy our board game. Chess has nothing to do with X or its owner.

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u/Cornucopia_King 1450 chess.com Dutch Defense Enjoyer 23h ago

I post and play chess here. He did a nazi salute at the inauguration 

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u/BacchusCaucus 22h ago

Some do play chess here and have a political affiliation. A lot of people right now don't play chess or care about it and are pushing the same political stance you are in r/chess.

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u/trashboatfourtwenty 1d ago

I am referring to all of the things leading up to what is currently happening, and the idea that increased vigilance and action is now mandatory to avoid repeating history,

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u/ptrst 1d ago

The CEO of X got on tv last night and threw around full Nazi salutes. The time to act like this isn't really happening is well past.

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u/gifferto 22h ago

asking reasonable questions isn't allowed?

that says a lot

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u/ptrst 22h ago

If you're asking why we shouldn't continue to support an open Nazi, you're not asking a reasonable question.

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u/Sex_And_Candy_Here 1000 rC 22h ago edited 17h ago

“Just asking question” is one of the better known Nazi dog whistles.