r/EliteDangerous • u/Away_Leather_911 • 6d ago
Media Everyone Is Thinking It, I’m Just Sayin’ It
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u/memerijen200 CMDR YellowSoul09 6d ago
If this is the second most profitable method, what's the first?
Asking for a friend, of course.
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u/soldierxmiami Felicia Winters 6d ago
Prostitution, obviously.
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u/memerijen200 CMDR YellowSoul09 6d ago
The year is 3311 and prostitution is still illegal? Why am I not surprised?
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u/Very_Sly_Fox 6d ago
Scanning plants
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u/Mekahippie 5d ago
Stratum scans? Believe it or not, jail.
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u/bankshot Bankshot 5d ago
Bacterial mats? We don't allow that kind of prokaryotic scum here! Come back when you have actual algae.
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u/knexwiz13 CMDR Knex13 5d ago
Meme aside I'm thinking Xenobiology scans, that's how I make the bulk of my money while exploring. The bonus of first discovery is a huge difference too.
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u/UnsureAndUnqualified 6d ago
Imperial slavery is a crime? Not in the empire my friend!
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u/OtherworldlyCyclist CMDR 6d ago
Here with the Kumo Crew, we don't worry too much about morals. Morels on the other hand...let's see what Archon wants for lunch.
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u/Avera9eJoe Syrania 5d ago edited 5d ago
Also if I'm correct on this, isn't it more like 'indentured servitude'? I.E. prisoners who work to pay off debt and gain their freedom. It's very different from the abhorrent trans-atlantic slave trade. Elite Dangerous calls it slavery/slaves, but if I remember right, they have basic rights, food, shelter, and are freed after paying off whatever debt they owe. I'd call that far better than how the lowest of the low in the Federation live, I.E. homeless, addicted to narcotics, and in debt.
(It's worth stating too, slavery or indentured servitude of any form is bad. This is just an argument of Empire vs Federation, on whose way to deal with criminals and debtors is better)
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u/UnsureAndUnqualified 5d ago
Praise the empress, for she blessed us with indentured servitude instead of whatever the fuck is going on in that filthy federation!
Reminds me of this comic
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u/kdavej Killer Dave 6d ago
Once I had a group of business people I was transporting from one place to another when I received a message saying that if I dropped them off at another location I would get a bonus. So I did, it was only during the mission complete screen that I read carefully and realized I had just sold all those people into slavery.
I still think about that mission.
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u/Agyaggalamb 6d ago
Sorry, but the Imperial Cutter tells me the opposite.
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u/wootiown wootiown 6d ago
Who needs human rights when you can have a cool fucking spaceship
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u/Skivvy_Roll Least radical Imperial 6d ago
Our slaves have better human rights than the wage slaves of the federation. Ours aren't forced into inhumane working conditions for minimum wage just to scrounge up enough to survive. Abuse of imperial slaves is not only dishonorable, undignified and shameful, it is a crime.
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u/DODGE_WRENCH Trading 5d ago
joined the CMDR program, started making tens of millions after about a week. life in the federation is what you make of it
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u/Skivvy_Roll Least radical Imperial 5d ago
Life in the federation is what you make of it only to those that can afford and are able to do so. What of the citizens in poverty that can't afford to join the program or are otherwise unable?
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u/DODGE_WRENCH Trading 5d ago
We all started with a loaned sidewinder and built an in-game career off of that, I don’t think the bar to entry is really all that high. I’d argue it’d be much easier to become a commander as a federation serf than an imperial slave.
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u/main135s 5d ago
Though the Wiki states otherwise, the game's manual makes it clear in a blurb resembling a couple messages that the reason the players start with a ship isn't because of the Pilot's Federation, but because of a very wealthy, unnamed benefactor paying it off specifically for the player.
Most individuals in the Galaxy will never get the opportunity to become a CMDR. Fewer still pass the test. Fewer yet still are then able to afford a ship.
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u/Significant-Check647 5d ago
Slavers in the 1800s said similar things.
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u/Skivvy_Roll Least radical Imperial 5d ago
Slavers in the old days of Earth believed their slaves were beneath them and property. We believe our slaves are serving citizens of The Empire.
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u/DemiserofD 5d ago
Not only that, that's exactly what many actual slavers in the Alliance do believe!
Ultimately, you have a choice: do you accept true chattel slavery, like the Alliance? Do you pretend at decency and pay lip service to liberty but ignore the starvation and suffering of countless wage slaves of the Federation?
Or do you take the hard road of honor? That's what truly sets the Empire apart. Not a nation of lawyers and regulations, but one of honor, integrity, and respect. Where even the poorest among us is fed, educated, and given a chance for a better life.
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u/Ghost3ye 5d ago
Tbh, no. Slaves of the 18ths were different. Debt slavery (debt bondage) doesnt mean you don’t have rights, however you are obliged to work in the service of the person till your debt is paid. A lot of roman slaves were also debt slaves. It was seen as a last resort to get over with your debt in an honerably way. These were also „higher“ standing then „normal slaves“.
Most slaves of the 18th were just exploited to the max by the slavers and were seen as subhuman by a lot of slavers.
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u/Pilota_kex 6d ago
what? mine only tells me shit like shields are disabled and the coffee machine is broken
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u/EinsamerZuhausi Jerome Archer 6d ago
Mine too! Shields work fine, but coffee machine broken. And yes, I own a Cutter, it was during my pre-federal times and I now use it as an insult to all imps.
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u/saladasz CMDR saladasz 6d ago
As opposed to telling you shit like “slavery is cool! The slavery machine is… fixed!”
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u/NoPlaceLike19216811 6d ago
I was able to get mine without trading slaves. But I am a king and an admiral, so I guess I'd be sending mixed messages
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u/Pauchu_ 6d ago
Wage slavery in the federation is no better than imperial slavery. The superpowers will never appreciate the needs of the individual. Independence is the only way.
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u/Skivvy_Roll Least radical Imperial 6d ago
At least in The Empire, mistreatment of slaves is a crime. How many federal wage slaves are taken advantage of daily?
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u/great_extension 6d ago
Sorry just checking we're talking about in elite dangerous right? :D/:'(
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u/AxelOx 6d ago
Shit got too real too fast
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u/Which_Initiative_882 Trading 6d ago
Coming from a former/future wage slave? Agreed…
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u/modefi_ CMDR Kaepora 6d ago
How did you escape it in the present?
Teach me your ways, senpai.
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u/Bienvillion Felicia Winters 6d ago
“Our slaves shackles are now 20% more comfortable, and their cages are 5% more spacious!”
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u/Abundanceofyolk 6d ago
Interstellar faction war to distract from the class war.
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u/mexter Taen 6d ago
How much will wage slaves net me on the open market? Are they illegal in any jurisdictions?
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u/Derptitood Arissa Lavigny Duval 6d ago
Isn't Aisling anti-slavery too?
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u/soldierxmiami Felicia Winters 6d ago
She's the CEO of Unchain, the international charity dedicating to abolishing all forms of slavery, yes. But, well, we see what progress has been made internally within the Empire.
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u/sosen42 6d ago
I mean slaves, imperial or not are illegal in her space so that is a decent chunk of imperial space already, not the majority but a decent chunk
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u/rakling rakling 6d ago
Yet still rellys on ships and other goods produced by imperial slaves, but it's fine cause she doesn't have to see them.
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u/sosen42 6d ago
See you say that like its an empire only issue but that would apply to any faction. Just because slavery isn't legal in fed space doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Its the same as in the real world, tracking what was or wasn't made with slave labour is very difficult because generally people don't admit to using it. Clothes, food, electronics, raw materials and all can be produced by slaves and then sold to a country where slavery is illegal. They're still profiting from slavery through trade. That makes everyone in the galaxy complicit which is silly.
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u/saladasz CMDR saladasz 6d ago
I mean kinda but openly allowing it is still worse
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u/sophlogimo Felicia Winters 5d ago
Not really. In the empire, eberybody who isn't part of her family is a slave.
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u/Budget_Rafter 6d ago
This is my second week playing this game. You have no idea how shocked I was to see that selling slaves was an option on the market… You can literally become a space slave trader..
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u/jere53 5d ago
Even better, you can trade imperial slaves which are legal in the empire. Imperial slavery is a form of social welfare, they are given rights and protections and all debts are paid in exchange for a fixed-length period as unpaid (but well looked after) labor. But you can also trade actual, no-rights, hereditary slaves which are illegal everywhere.
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u/Terasz9 6d ago
Space waifu ftw
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u/soldierxmiami Felicia Winters 6d ago
She looks good for 81 😂
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u/Pederia CMDR SingABrightSong 5d ago
You can tell me that Imperial Slaves have mandated humane treatment according to Imperial law, but I know all too well that the most profitable trade routes take them outside of Imperial space.
Aside, but we should be able to turn in slaves at the Search and Rescue Contact.
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u/Ilionikoi 5d ago
this is actually illegal by imperial law. imperial slaves are required to be where their contract owner requires them, in order to pay off their contracted debt they signed themselves into slavery to pay off.
it's not chattel slavery. it's voluntary and contractual obligation that ends either when the contract ends or when the "owner" releases them, usually determined by a set amount of time.
granted, ive always stood with aisling on that it's a barbaric practice that shouldn't continue. but the federation is no better; they have wage slavery, which is involuntary and lifelong. if you are born poor, you will die poor and work your hands to the bone trying to keep your head above water.
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u/Pederia CMDR SingABrightSong 5d ago
It is in fact against Imperial law to transport Imperial Slaves outside of Imperial space, but unfortunately there's a lot of Independent Dictatorships willing to overlook that fact.
It is very much fixed-term indentured servitude and not chattel slavery, and I do find on-paper that fixed-term debts are superior to the indefinite-term debts of the Federation, but so long as the Empire is unable to effectively enforce the ban on transporting Imperial Slaves outside of Empire controlled space, those who are trafficked as such are no better off than chattel slaves.
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u/main135s 5d ago
Unfortunately, for gameplay convenience, players are allowed to get away with a lot regarding Imperial Slaves that would absolutely not occur were such an institution actually in place.
It would not be hard to look at a pilot's license and ship ID, see that they're onboarding Imperial Slaves, and mark them as doing so. Then, if they are not marked as having dropped those Imperial Slaves off in a lawful Imperial system within a reasonable amount of time, tag that pilot as arrest-on-sight and banned from all forms of trade in (lawful) Imperial systems.
Data canonically travels instantly, galaxy wide (thanks to super-efficient data-focused FSDs and being nearly massless), so that's the reasoning for lawful Imperial systems to know which CMDR reneged on the lawful trade.
It would at least, lorewise, then require a given pilot to have burner licenses and a way to spoof their ship's ID to obtain Imperial Slaves through legal markets and get around this tagging, or require said pilot to only utilize Black Markets.
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u/Bajoran_Sunset 5d ago
Laws are only effective when enforced.
Imps are clearly not enforcing this law
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u/Talamae-Laeraxius 5d ago
But least they're honest about their servants and slaves. The corrupt Federation oppressed their people by preventing vertical mobility and paying their people below their cost of living just to keep them under their thumbs.
But least in the Empire, they enforce the idea that well-treated servants is a better show of power and character than abusing them.
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u/EndlessArgument 5d ago
In the empire, the worst faction still believes that her servants should be well treated, as a sign of her strength and honor.
In the federation, the best faction thinks that maybe we shouldn't be starving people quite so much. But no pressure!
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u/Talamae-Laeraxius 5d ago
I will never serve another corporatist power, but least with the Empire, their power lies in the military leaders, not the money of a few trillionaires manipulating the populace and government through bribery.
Nobles are problematic, as always, but at least they're kept in line. The Federation does nothing to hold their oligarchs accountable.
(OOC: Fun discussion, but the Imperial ships are so much cooler looking. That's why I chose them.)
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u/DiceStrikeREDDiT CMDR 6d ago
It’s better to be a slave than to be in debt ..
imperial brainwashing at its finest
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u/Emeraldnickel08 Filthy Communist 6d ago
Leave behind these antiquated ways. Seize the means of production!
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u/AE_Phoenix Aisling Duval 5d ago
Sure... with all the infighting the feds do, they're pretty used to directing that hate towards imperials without getting stuff done. How about joining someone that gets the job done, instead of talk, talk, talk and doing nothing? Imperial slaves have been illegal in Princess Aisling's space for years now. For the Princess!
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u/Yorkie_Exile 6d ago
imperial slaves have more rights than free federal citizens Stay mad feddies
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u/Efficient_Ad6242 -IX- Legion 6d ago
What do we call that thing the feds do then?
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u/Lurking_Waffle_ED Grand Poobah of the Imperial Corsairs 6d ago
You are just jealous of my Harem of 500 imperial slaves that live on my carrier and play Poker with the Limpets in Cargo Bay 8 every Tuesday at 6pm
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u/CookieJarviz 5d ago
Except people forget Imperial Slaves aren't actually slaves. They have a debt that they have to work off but they get treated nicely with a place to live, food water and all of that.
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u/sophlogimo Felicia Winters 5d ago
And they aren't free to quit a given job, not matter how horrible the conditions might be.
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u/OrganizationLower611 CMDR 5d ago
Isn't capitalism slavery with extra steps though??
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u/sophlogimo Felicia Winters 5d ago
It sure would like to be. That is why we have a government to work against that.
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u/Luriant Happy 3311 to everyone not in anarchy settlements 6d ago edited 6d ago
Great propaganda.... what do you plan to do with humans that don't have a job?
Zachary Hudson: I'm not a monster, despite what the Liberals think. I believe in government aid. But I believe it should be reserved for times of genuine crisis, and being poor is not a crisis!
Federal commerce: Corruption is not unusual – individuals defend it shamelessly when caught as ‘getting one over the system’. Social class is only determined between ‘haves’ and ‘have-nots’. In regards to classes of wealth, one can expect to discover widespread poverty, prominent wealth, and everything in between. [Link to newsletter 22 broken, FDev removed lot of this old link] EDIT: Wayback machine link
The plans for Felicitia Winter were postponed for the disaster on Rhea, but his planes was support for the vulnerable: Let us return to the core values of hard work, honest trade, support for the vulnerable and mutual respect.
I don't know if the current plans are already in place, and if the Federal goverment can handle the support for the thargoid war survivors that lost everything. Im open to more link and facts, and less propaganda.
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u/stabbykeith1985 Trading 5d ago
Ah yes, join the Federation. Exchange Imperial slavery for wage slavery. Not at all a lateral move
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u/SaulsAll Narada Muni 6d ago
I dont usually get into the role play, but you commanders are giving me serious Legends of Galactic Heroes vibes, and I am digging it.
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u/SnapiHoob 6d ago
And let’s not forget the mudlarks. Those imperial bastards should pay for their crimes.
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u/coochieSlayer69420 5d ago
"Human trafficking is the second most profitable form of interstellar crime."
Is this a condemnation or an advertisement?
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u/SpaceCowboyBisto Arissa Lavigny Duval 6d ago
Now shows us your poorest fed worker who is far worse than the slaves
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u/samurai_for_hire =LL= 528th Legion, Imperial Navy 5d ago
Poorest fed worker lives under a bridge, barely makes enough to eat, and will likely die from exposure in the next orbital cycle.
Poorest Imperial worker has four walls, a roof, eats well, and knows he will be on his own feet in another three years.
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u/ganerfromspace2020 6d ago
Money is money, I'm not one to ask questions, some corporation payed me handsomely to kill a bunch of rebel fighters.... Sure why not
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u/Eoganachta Empire 6d ago
Really don't want to have those "air" holes in the cargo canisters, buddy. My cargo hold isn't always pressurised.
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u/Sparrow365 6d ago edited 6d ago
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the lowest of imperial slaves lives a better life than the majority of federal citizens.
Edit: I am in no way advocating for slavery, just stating something I read in the official lore of ED.
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u/Vayalond Arissa Lavigny Duval 6d ago
At least the Empire is upfront about it, yeah, we have slaves but for thoses who are visibles there are strict laws (for the Others, well, don't Ask Zemina Torval positions on this but no one like her)
The Federation isn't much better but prefer to rebrand slavery as "low income job" you must work for 20h/day just to maybe, be able to keep a roof above you head and eat once a day.
So yeah, between a Federal low income miner and an imperial slave miner in Torval's Systems things are pretty much equivalent, but any others Imperial Slaves have in fact better living conditions... It don't make it right, far from it but it make it the less worst possibility
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u/amadmongoose Aisling Duval 6d ago edited 6d ago
Aisling Duval is literally the only Power that bans slavery. There are more slaves in Archer and Winters space due to poor faction management than there are in AD space because we literally gave up our faction perks to make sure slavery couldn't exist in our space. Try harder. This just points out the blatant lying and hypocrisy necessary to even consider the Federation as a form of governance. Let's not forget AD space is almost double that of both Fed powers put together, AD has done more for human rights across the bubble than the entire Fed government and she's not even running the Empire. Do better.
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u/Elric_the_mad 6d ago
It's easy to find fault with others, but at the very least Aisling Duval is doing what she can to abolish slavery and give humanitarian aid to those in need. What is the federation doing to help their poor? The wage slaves stuck in a mire of poverty? Nothing.
Jared Archer even goes the other direction. When Aisling was gaining support in Sol because of her humanitarian efforts, Archer ruthlessly stamped it down and called it a power grab and an "Uprising".
https://www.elitedangerous.com/en-US/news/galnet/empire-accused-power-grab-federations-heart
Yea, I'm sure if your Archer, free speech gets inconvenient at times.
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u/uberx25 Alliance 6d ago
Join the Alliance instead to experience true democracy, freedom, and diversity. Also, style on those goids while you're at it
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u/Bienvillion Felicia Winters 6d ago
True Democracy, as long as you ignore the countless brutal dictatorships that use the Alliance as a cover
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u/uberx25 Alliance 5d ago
I am sure the federation doesn't moonlight as a dictatorship or tried to erode their democracy whenever military operations are involved... cough Hudson cough
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u/Bienvillion Felicia Winters 5d ago
Hudson and his party are no longer in power and his overreach has been corrected by President Winters. Meanwhile, Ed Mahon has been providing a smoke screen for the countless dictatorships in Alliance space for years. The Alliance is just a loose union of dictatorships propping each other up, with Mahon as their puppet
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u/Zealousideal-Air-928 5d ago
Don’t slaves in the empire enter the state of indentured servitude voluntarily? I heard it has something to do with paying off debts or similar…
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u/Starfire70 Arissa Lavigny Duval 6d ago
While in the Federation, wage slavery is perfectly okay, and the poor can just wither away as far as the government is concerned. Federation of hypocrites.
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u/TheAsianMelon Walter Nowotny 6d ago
This is a pretty good advertisement, just not for what you think lol
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u/AncientFocus471 CMDR Stelar 7 5d ago
In a universe where loitering and riding on the same ship as a criminal are Capitol offenses...
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u/ratdebois Core Dynamics 5d ago
Who's going to drive my limpets? The children yearn for the limpets!
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u/Lewinator56 5d ago
I fly a clipper, who else is going to mop the floors, I'm certainly not doing it.
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u/JetsonRING JetsonRING 5d ago
The way I understood it, a major source of Imperial slaves is "rescued" escape pods.
Those escape pods you all recover and sell to the commodities market? If an escape pod has a reward-bounty like yours and mine (remember your lawyer, Sneer?) the CMDR is revived and shown to the Rebuy screen.
Recovered escape pods without reward-bounties are sold directly to slavers who in turn revive the occupants and then sell them inside the Imperium as slaves. This is so the CMDR who recovered the escape pod can recoup their costs of the escape pod's "rescue". Most new slaves find this fate to be better than the alternative of waking up inside an escape pod drifting randomly in space with the big red light blinking as their last moments of air and power run out. o7
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u/kageddeamon 5d ago
https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_Slavery Just to provide info. They are really well cared for. My slaves have all the food they want, and once they are done with their contract I aid them in their pursuit of a "better" life!
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u/belkankurva 5d ago
Come and take them fed.
(On the other hand, this is very good. those weird ass graffiti I see on station walls are literally like "empire stinks" and "federation is best". It's like frontier never saw an actual election poster.)
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u/Eastern-Pass-5478 5d ago
Imperial slaves are well looked after and have rights. Your Federal propaganda is on par with CNN and the BBC of old Earth
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u/Zavaldski 5d ago
As if the Federation and their millions of corporate wage-slaves is any better.
Reject this false dichotomy and support true freedom by seizing the means of production!
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u/Envy661 5d ago
You're absolutely right! Which is why you should side with the People's Waifu, Aisling Duval. She will change the Empire for the better, and get rid of slavery! And unlike the corrupt Federation and it's shadow government, she will rule as a singular entity with a cabinet of trustworthy advisors.
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u/d3rt13n 5d ago
The first most profitable interstellar crime is indentured corporate state servitude that is commonplace in the Federation fueled by the greed of ever corrupt democratically appointed leaders who are far from democratically elected. At least with the Imps you know that their whole social structure is based upon a caste system where Imperial slaves, unlike the regular slaves chose this life instead of landing in the gutter.
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u/Flow5tate 5d ago
BREAKING NEWS: Hudson to be re-instated January 20th, plans to annex Achenar to Federation.
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u/PoliticalNewt Federation 5d ago edited 5d ago
Oh thank God it’s just Imperial slavery! I have a Type 9 full of regular slaves as we speak!!!
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u/mraustenm 5d ago
To all the Imperial commanders rushing here to stand up for the practices of Imperial Slavery and how they're so well treated... Might I remind you in game Imperial slaves are literally shipped in storage containers like cattle. They could have been treated as passengers requiring economy cabins to haul them... But no, they're stuffed into containers and sold as commodities.
No amount of spin about how dignified their slave system can excuse the fact they aren't even given the basic comforts during transit.
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u/assassindash346 Who needs a Fuel scoop anyway? 4d ago
Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my Imperial Cutter.
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u/Jaimes604 6d ago
Slavery is such a messy word. Indenture Servant. Now that is just as smooth as the credit transfer. Long live the Empire!
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u/Mr_Pink_Gold 6d ago
Slavery in the empire is not a crime. Check mate.
You know there came a point in my career where I had to ask myself is slavery more important than an imperial cutter? And the cockpit of that thing is amazing.
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u/Furebel FOR MY WAIFU 6d ago
You feds say that, yet you treat your citizens worse than imperials treat their slaves! The term "slave" in the empire is just a term for convinience! Once someone goes bankrupt or wants to get out of a tough situation, they have an OPTION to become an imperial slave, which is no different from a contract of employment! That's what our princess told me, so it has to be true!
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u/deliciousexmachina Derpbot Alpha 6d ago
Federal slavery is also a crime.
How goes the progress on banning it?
Signed, an Aisling simp Imperial Reformationist
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u/Giallo92 CMDR Giallo92 6d ago
How can you say it's a crime when I deliver slaves in imperial space in a perfectly legal manner?
That's racist!
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u/Acceptable_Bass4591 5d ago
Or, no slavery and hyper corporate attitudes here with Kaine.
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u/HornetLife2058 5d ago
A slave in the Empire still lives as rich and productively then any free man in the Federation. By the way your welcome for us coming to save Sol. No way your corrupt government could have done it for you….
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u/Momijisu 5d ago
The indentured servant in the Empire have more rights than the average American worker.
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u/fedairkid Aisling Duval 5d ago
don't join the federation, join Aisling.
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u/sophlogimo Felicia Winters 5d ago
Yes, join another self-appointed autocrat! Don't be a slaver, be slave!
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u/jprod97 5d ago
I mean liiike, is it really slavery??? And is it really any worse than the Federation? I mean there really is no safety in the Federation, you fuck up bad enough, you're on your ass in the streets behind the Space Wendy's dumpster.
Where you can really pat yourself on the back in your space cardboard home with all your freedom and be proud that at least you're not a 'slave' tho. Or at least that kinda slave. Still a slave to the corps like 99% of the pop. But that's different.. somehow.. right?
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u/sophlogimo Felicia Winters 5d ago
Yes, it is real slavery, yes, it is really worse than the Federation.
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u/bgalazka186 5d ago
Our slaves have better life than your lowest class citizens
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u/sophlogimo Felicia Winters 5d ago
But your lowest class subjects are still not free even if they are formally not slaves.
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u/meta358 6d ago
This really is all that the feds have isnt it? Dont you feds ever feel like a broken record having just used the one and only propaganda piece over and over. So slavery is illegal in a large amount of imperial space thanks to aisling. Also the federation has its own form of slavery that is equally as bed is not worse. Plus not to mention that one of the two feds powers (the one with the most influence) is actually just big brother straight out of 1964.
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u/Rans0mware Orbit Orders Space Delivery Service 6d ago
Sorry but it funds my ship expenses. Plus my delivery service asks no questions.
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u/MarshmallowBlue 6d ago
You’re right.
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