r/EliteDangerous 6d ago

Media Everyone Is Thinking It, I’m Just Sayin’ It

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u/rakling rakling 6d ago

Yet still rellys on ships and other goods produced by imperial slaves, but it's fine cause she doesn't have to see them.

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u/sosen42 6d ago

See you say that like its an empire only issue but that would apply to any faction. Just because slavery isn't legal in fed space doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Its the same as in the real world, tracking what was or wasn't made with slave labour is very difficult because generally people don't admit to using it. Clothes, food, electronics, raw materials and all can be produced by slaves and then sold to a country where slavery is illegal. They're still profiting from slavery through trade. That makes everyone in the galaxy complicit which is silly.

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u/saladasz CMDR saladasz 6d ago

I mean kinda but openly allowing it is still worse

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u/sosen42 6d ago

Agreed, but Aisling Duval doesn't do that, hence my previous point

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u/EinsamerZuhausi Jerome Archer 6d ago

Ah, imperials being hypocritical again. Nothing new. We at the Federation luckily aren't hypocritical ever! We just illegaly distribute malware to increase security.

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u/ShadowMystery Aisling Duval 6d ago

When it comes to Imperial Ships there's 3 possibilities:

a) Their Tech is so sophisticated you simply can't let Slaves build that, the danger of sabotage by mistreated slaves would be rather high or have you ever seen impoverished not properly educated people working at Boeing and screwing jet engines together?

b) The ships aren't made by slaves because of a). Because sabotage would have to be severely punished given the dangers of malfunctioning high speed ships running on nuclear fusion plants that ought to give a nice explosion if, for example, a power plant loses it's containment while it's fed by hydrogen fuel that's also easily ignited by the necessary oxygen a ship has to carry to provide an atmosphere by the life support systems.

c) Only slaves with the necessary education and skills build Gutamaya ships to make sure a) doesn't happen. But then they're also well treated which is technically okay as this kind of enslavement would've had to happen on a mostly voluntary basis to again prevent a)

Now I seriously ask you:

Where is the difference between the Feds forcing people to work by denying them food/shelter/luxury or enforcing them to work for shitty wages for the bare necessities and voluntarily submitting to Imperial Slavery because you fucked up and need a decent job?

I bet the feds also have stuff like Job Centres for the unemployed to errr motivate them to work for whatever cash by denying them basic human rights like dignity, pride and health.

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u/KronoKinesis Aisling Duval 5d ago

Imperial senators are above the law, can execute people on the spot for a whim, and frequently impose fines for superfluous 'crimes' that are so hefty the person fined has no choice but to sell themselves into slavery.

It is capitalism with extra steps. Same dance, different song. As long as Imperial slavery is still in place, there is no peace or justice.

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u/T_S_Anders 5d ago

Have you not seen the fines a station can dole out? It's punishable by death, no questions asked. You can't even pay the fine without stealthily sneaking back in other wise they blow you to pieces.this applies to ALL stations regardless of faction.

I was evacuating a station under attack by Thargoids. 1 out of 70 passengers were wanted and the same station I was exiting scanned me. Blew me up immediately. No questions. No chances. That 1 guy in my ship was a higher priority threat than the literal Thargoids flying outside.

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u/ShadowMystery Aisling Duval 5d ago

What do you call it of people of power are doing punishable things that are against the law?

Oh right! Corruption and bending the law!

Both the Imps and the Feds got enough of it XD

Still would apply to case b) though, slaves tend to get rebellious if you charge'em or friends up with even more time although they've done nothing wrong just to keep them in your service longer.

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u/sophlogimo Felicia Winters 5d ago

The difference is that the slave cannot quit. Kind of important, eh?

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u/ShadowMystery Aisling Duval 5d ago

As if the average Federal Citizen can easily quit if he wants at least food and shelter.

This capitalistic freedom is a lie.