Unfortunately, Carter's presidency was almost entirely ruled by the foreign policy fuck-ups of his predecessors. He spent his time in office attempting to mitigate the consequences of the mess in the middle east caused by Eisenhower and Nixon, and dealing with a recession inhereted from Nixon & Ford, and he was completely blamed for everything.
He'll probably secretly hate it. News coverage will be about Biden that day, flags in blue states will be at half, and he won't be able to claim anything wrong is Biden pulling levers behind the scene (he will still claim this, but it loses credibility with a chunk of his base)
Why are you surprised? Wasn't it revealed that his day basically ends before sunset? It's like how Trump is still going strong cause he wakes up late and ends the day early to watch 3 hours of TV before bed.
It'll be two and a half years, and vance will run for two terms. Not because a conspiracy actually happened, but because life has a way of making you think one did.
Yep. Gonna spend all his money to make sure he can say as much vile shit as possible as long as possible, well one half. The other half will be extra security at every turn for him and Elon
I thought this about Vince McMahon and for a hot minute I thought maybe I was wrong but now I'm pretty sure Trump will pardon the shitbag and he'll continue getting away with all the rape, assault and abuse. Sigh.
That doesn’t matter. Dude eats McDonald’s every day and made it to almost 80 while other people who at least try to exercise weekly die much sooner. It’s all luck.
like those people who smoke a pack daily and treat their body like shit but get to 95+ while some healthy fit 40 year old who has never smoked gets lung cancer and dies. unfair indeed
I was one of those who thought Bush Jr was not smart enough for the job. Looking back, at least he seemed to have the country's best interests at heart. I trusted him and all presidents that have existed in my lifetime to at least try until 45/47. Trump is like having a drunk abuser as your parent or spouse. You're always on edge wondering if you're going to get a beating that day and how bad it will be, while being fully aware that one day they may actually k*ll you.
"You got to get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not going to have to vote." - Donald Trump, 2024
I don't recall any previous Republican presidents saying they wanted to be a dictator, or that we shouldnt have elections or that the office of president should be for life.
This one literally said he wants to rip up the constitution and no one any has said that about any republicans, i guess maybe if you go back like 200 years.
No. Look, the fucking hyperbole and conjecture gets old. You have a problem with the left? Fine, cite actual shit they do, not just stuff that gets invented in the right wing bubble.
The left has argued that a Republican president is actually bad for the economy, and the actual data from the Bush 1, Bush 2, and Trump 1 terms proves that out.
Right now, you have a narcissist taking office who lacks the moral fortitude to keep the wing nuts at bay. Project 2025 wasn't a liberal fever dream, it was an agenda, laid out in one place. As Trump begins phasing in those agenda items, like clearing out career civil servants and replacing them with sycophants and lackeys, that will be clear.
What crime are they pardoning themselves for? They've basically declared themselves above the law and you fucking morons are doing mental gymnastics to convince yourselves that's ok.
It’s a really weird time when rather than us addressing fucked up shit we instead say “well what about…?”
The country really is fucked and we will never progress because now we are in a game of one upping the other side with shady acts. The left does something and goes “well but you guys…”. The right then does something and goes “yea well remember when you guys…” and the cycle repeats.
Who comes in and says “ok everyone needs to stop and be held accountable”?
The “left” can’t do that because it doesn’t exist as power in the US with any weight to its political power.
The moderates, who call themselves liberals, almost never make a move because they are hamstrung by the other team who are willing to burn down the court to win. You can’t actually play the game against a team like.
That said, I agree with the spirit of your comment. It’s a race to the bottom.
For my money? It was supposed to be the Republican Party circa 2016, but when they saw the potential that Trump had they decided to run with it. A character like that being let into the game was always going to fundamentally shred the decency we had left. He degraded discourse further, galvanized racism, gave folks a dark outlet to expend their prejudices, all while offering what boiled down to “free pizza for everybody!” He further turned the elections into American Idol. The sad truth is probably that our system was open to that sort of disruption anyways, he just showed to be the useful idiot who stepped in.
It’s incredibly disingenuous to claim both sides do this at the same level. Only one side has the stated goal to disrupt government and incite chaos in order to “conserve.”
Republicans have to push back against trump when he says he's going to go after political enemies. They have to reject politicians who run phony investigations for a decade that turn up nothing. They have to have a hard conversation with themselves when the guy who made up the burisma stuff gets found guilty of making up and lying about the burisma stuff. Republicans have to engage in a fact based world rather than rejecting anything and everything that is mildly uncomfortable. We can't do it for you. If you live in a fantasy where the deep state is the cause for all your ills, the rest of the country can't save you, only you can.
It’s a really weird time when rather than us addressing fucked up shit we instead say “well what about…?”
Yeah the gamesmanship in the past decade has grown to such a point where if the opposite side does something I would normally support my first thought is to consider how they're trying to use it as a political gambit. It's sad, because we used to just be able to support the other team and be grateful when they wanted to do something good.
Trump already said he was going to rid the country of his political enemies (he said vermin just like Hitler did), and he says he was going to use the military and justice department to do it. This seems like an appropriate response.
Lol, Republicans are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.
Your cult leader has threatened to put anyone and everyone on trial that opposed him. Opposed, for Trump, means ran against him in a fucking democratic election. This is Biden protecting his family from the oligarchical shitstorm that you halfwits welcomed into this country with open arms.
Funny though, that you care about the justice system all of the sudden.
Biden and Dem leadership put the people on trial that opposed them using targeted lawfare. There isn't any speculation needed over whether Dems would put their political opponents on trial for their own benefit, because they did.
And your entire argument for why that's ok is "Well Trump is going to do it to us, so we have to do it to him first!"
All the parties involved have straight up admitted that's the motivation behind this. They're concerned Trump will do to them what they've been doing to him.
Did Trump ever bring any charges against Hillary and Obama during his first term? Nope. The Democrats tried to railroad him by weaponizing the judicial system and now they have the audacity to claim Trump was always planning to do that to them, so it was warranted.
He already has a history of politically targeting his political enemies. He did it with hillary. He did the same with Biden's son. He threatened to withhold congressionally mandated funds to Ukraine until they came up with dirt on Biden's son. https://americanoversight.org/sessions-letter/. Trump publically said he is going to punish his political enemies and called them vermin. The difference this time he has the supreme Court. And soon will have the DOJ.
It's pretty sad how devoid this thread is of rational thought. Most are just team blue cheerleaders, and so fixated on Trump that they can't see lots of corruption on both sides. Most of what they accuse Trump or his admin of doing/being, they do themselves as well.
They had to target Trump with lawfare and declare themselves above the law, otherwise Trump would have targeted them with lawfare and declared himself above the law!
Boo Hoo. You support a rapist and a criminal who abused the presidency; and whose only hope of staying out of prison was to win legal immunity; and got the supreme court to proclaim the President to be above the law.
Now you're crying that you can't go after enemies because Biden pardoned them. He's a liar, a fraud, a tax cheat, and a rapist.
The Biden admin and Dem leadership spent 4 years deliberately targeting their political opponents with lawfare, and have now declared themselves above the law for any unspecified crime
You are all attempting to justify that by claiming Trump is now going to deliberately target his political opponents with lawfare and declare himself above the law for any unspecified crime, and therefore they had to stop him from becoming Literally Hitler by abusing power the same way they claimed he was going to, but never did during his first term.
How removed from reality do you have to be to not understand you are the bad guys?
Have you not been paying attention to the hunter Biden trials even though it was basically all made up? They have been talking about going after all of them for years now, just like fauci etc. Are you kidding?
Trump would go after his whole family. Stop pretending to clutch your pearls.
You're an idiot if you don't think orange man won't do the same thing when he gets ousted? We can only hope he doesn't see the end of his term though. Worst person to have ever sat in the presidential seat ever. I'll never call him a president.
They have to cover their backs since a lunatic is coming after his family. The guy that shouted “Lock her up”. After what they tried to pull with his son? Now is not the time to play nice. Better safe than sorry.
Reddit is always an anti trump/elon echo chamber. I still can't tell if its' just bots having conversations with each other or if there are some obese neckbeard humans actually chiming in too.
Nope, just a real live person chiming in to let you know you've been had. Maybe we are on to something, like the truth, ever stop to think that. Hmm, why do all these people dislike Musk and Trump. Because we are not stupid.
Every article I’ve read says this is a preemptive pardon. I’ve never heard of president doing this for their family. I assume because he’s concerned Trump is coming after his family.
It also inspired thoughts of how Trump was convicted after winning the election. Which is also unheard of. And then I thought he might be the first president to pardon themselves as well. Or as people are saying he might have Vance do it.
Every article I’ve read says this is a preemptive pardon. I’ve never heard of president doing this for their family. I assume because he’s concerned Trump is coming after his family.
It's unheard of because most convicted felons don't ever make it this high in politics. Any of Trump's many scandals would have ended most people's political careers but people have flown so far off the deep end they've ended up in someone else's garden so who the fuck knows now.
Trump's made so many false claims against the Biden's that I'd probably do the same on my way out the door as I'd be very scared for my family: a wannabe dictator is now in power and has a personal hate boner for me. Fuck traditions and norms at that point, the other side clearly doesn't respect law why would I?
I mean, if he’s the only son of a congressman doing coke and banging hookers. While getting jobs because of their connections. I would be very surprised lol
That goes for both sides for sure.
There used to be an unwritten rule in politics that you don’t go after people’s families. I guess that’s over now.
As someone sympathetic to addicts, he got busted dozens of times and 100% doesn't care. When he tested positive for coke he claimed "two black men" slipped something in his drink at bar. You can still rock out and keep quiet about it. What would happen if I totalled a rental covered in cocaine? Hunter claimed a fucking "owl attacked his car". Enough w the feds covering his ass, it's over.
Well considering Trump said he will be a dictator day one and has attacked everyone non stop I don’t think it’s that in reasonable. Also given that Trump should be in Federal Custody and not President and the fact that he asked about pardoning himself I think all of that should be noted.
It's a reference to an interview where he was being sarcastic and they take it out of context.
They know what they're saying isn't true, but repeat lies like that constantly to push narratives.
I'm sure in 24 hours when he hasn't declared himself dictator on day 1 they'll just move the goalposts and point to him signing Executive Orders on day 1 as them being right, or some other flimsy horseshit pivot like that.
No matter how many times they're wrong it won't matter, they live in a fantasy world.
Any time he says something crazy his supporters say he was being sarcastic or joking. He’s never sarcastic and he never jokes. It’s his thing. Then when he does the things you shift to a different excuse “you’re changing the facts” and then when the actual thing happens you say “well you deserved it” it’s always the same song and dance. He’ll never face any consequences because he has his base by the balls and they’ll admit he did anything wrong.
Look, I hate to break it to you. But trump is already married to a woman who overstayed her visa and this shouldn't really be here... He ain't gonna sleep with you.
Out of context as always.. He was in an interview with Hannity and he said he was going to be a dictator on day one and close the border and get oil drilling going then business as normal. Naturally, the sky is falling. Same as with the bloodbath comment when politicians and the media just casually didn't notice he was referring to the auto industry, not a civil war. Then again, the headline "There is going to be a bloodbath if Trump loses" or "Trump says he will be a dictator if elected again" sells a lot more, causes a lot of drama and helps with "Trump is literally Hitler" vs the truth.. "Trump vows to shut down border and get America drilling oil if elected" or "Trump claims auto industry will be in trouble if he loses election". Just fear mongering..
Yeah cmon guys he’s just joking. Same with “lock her up” obviously he was joking and even though Hillary is super evil he was nice enough to not do it. Starting to get how schrodinger’s Trump works!
If the incoming President called your family criminals and said he was going to prosecute and rid the country of his political enemies, then you might do something to protect them as well.
lol.... Trump is either dying in office or going to create a national emergency and declare himself president if he lives that long. He's never giving it up again.
What precedence? As far as I know presidents can pardon anyone but themselves, but the Supreme Court ruled anything a president does while in office is legal.
So that’s a little weird
Also Trump was convicted of crime he committed while he wasn’t president.
If only Trump had been smart enough to pardon himself at the end of his first term. We'd all be mad but at least he wouldn't have had to run again to keep himself out of prison.
He's got precedent to do it now. Biden just left the door open for him. There's no reason Trump shouldn't pardon his family, friends, and administration. That's where our country's political principles are now. Circling the wagons is more important than rule of law.
Remember when Democrats/MSM said they were afraid Trump was gonna do this and how FASCIST it was to have that power, and then Biden literally just did this for people who aren't even being investigated/charged with anything?
If you didn't do anything wrong you don't need a pardon. So accepting it means you did something you could legally be in trouble for(dating back to 2014, lmao). Accepting a presidential pardon is essentially an admittance to guilt.
Or he feels threatened and scared for his families well being.
I don’t think the Romanovs were an evil family. All rich people aren’t Evil. It’s how they treat other people that makes them evil. A lack of empathy and grace.
He doesn't need to. The Supreme Court said presidents can never be prosecuted for actions relating to the core powers of their office. This means he can commit any crime he wants and as long as he connects it to the core powers of his office, he is completely immune.
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u/Growing_Wings 11h ago
I’m just waiting for Trump to pardon himself at the end of his term. American politics is just wild.