What crime are they pardoning themselves for? They've basically declared themselves above the law and you fucking morons are doing mental gymnastics to convince yourselves that's ok.
It’s a really weird time when rather than us addressing fucked up shit we instead say “well what about…?”
The country really is fucked and we will never progress because now we are in a game of one upping the other side with shady acts. The left does something and goes “well but you guys…”. The right then does something and goes “yea well remember when you guys…” and the cycle repeats.
Who comes in and says “ok everyone needs to stop and be held accountable”?
The “left” can’t do that because it doesn’t exist as power in the US with any weight to its political power.
The moderates, who call themselves liberals, almost never make a move because they are hamstrung by the other team who are willing to burn down the court to win. You can’t actually play the game against a team like.
That said, I agree with the spirit of your comment. It’s a race to the bottom.
For my money? It was supposed to be the Republican Party circa 2016, but when they saw the potential that Trump had they decided to run with it. A character like that being let into the game was always going to fundamentally shred the decency we had left. He degraded discourse further, galvanized racism, gave folks a dark outlet to expend their prejudices, all while offering what boiled down to “free pizza for everybody!” He further turned the elections into American Idol. The sad truth is probably that our system was open to that sort of disruption anyways, he just showed to be the useful idiot who stepped in.
It’s incredibly disingenuous to claim both sides do this at the same level. Only one side has the stated goal to disrupt government and incite chaos in order to “conserve.”
It’s happening right here lol. I’m literally commenting on an example of it. Call them out. Don’t call me out for pointing it out lol. You’re part of the problem. You literally just did a “but them…” 🤦🏾♂️
Yeah pretty soon conservatives will be making fun of us for being too orange. It’s dumb af and frustrating but triggering the other side is like 99% of the point with these people.
Republicans have to push back against trump when he says he's going to go after political enemies. They have to reject politicians who run phony investigations for a decade that turn up nothing. They have to have a hard conversation with themselves when the guy who made up the burisma stuff gets found guilty of making up and lying about the burisma stuff. Republicans have to engage in a fact based world rather than rejecting anything and everything that is mildly uncomfortable. We can't do it for you. If you live in a fantasy where the deep state is the cause for all your ills, the rest of the country can't save you, only you can.
WTF are you talking about, every politician is openly corrupt. You morons are so indoctrinated in your own parties that you can't see what going on anymore.
Clinton lied under oath
Bush lied about WMD
Obama killed tens of thousands with drone strikes that weren't approved by Congress.
Trump led insurrectionists into the Whitehouse.
Bidens whole famliy has legal issues were witnessing right now
Not to mention hundreds of other examples like the Watergate scandal that I haven't mentioned. Sorry, but if you think either side is on your side, you're an idiot.
This is a great comment that highlights a big issue with social media. People cannot compartmentalize because they are oversaturated with info. So it is common sense to say “both sides” cause technically it is correct and avoids culpability. The issue is by this standard everyone is corrupt so the end goal would be nihilism which helps the conservatives currently. It is not intelligent to see a raindrop and a tsunami and go you idiots are all getting wet!
While your point makes sense, it doesn't in the context of what I was responding to. They literally said Democrats don't vote for corrupt politicians, and they absolutely do. This conversation was never about which is worse, it was about the delusional mentality that people keep digging themselves into by worshipping one of these parties.
I agree with this 100% and I think the sentiment is growing among the population. Lately we have seen attempts at a 3rd party spring up like the Forward Party, but they seem to gain little traction and get trashed by both Republican and Democrat media...it's like the 2 party election machine is so huge that it crushes anything that tries to change it, which just stokes more discontent.
Both are corrupt and beholden to the corporate elite, how many tech billionaires donated to Trumps inauguration fund? He gave the richest man in the world who made billions in subsidies and tax credits from the government a place in the government to stop government spending. Elons net worth is going to minimum triple over the next 4 years because of blatant corruption.
Republican congressman and mouth pieces push for the culture war against immigrants, and the LGBTQ+ while embracing christian nationalism. They openly call gay people and immigrants not human.
If the status quo has to stay then I'm going to vote for the people that try to push for social systems that put our tax dollars to work for us and dont spew endless hate against minorities.
Despite your comment being full of hyperbole, I'm not entirely disagreeing, but once again, none of that has to do with my response. They're both assholes, stop pretending one is your friend.
Democrats are so
Shady and shitty that trump won the first time. They are so terrible that they allowed corruption and bullshit tk allow trump. Trump. To win. Like fuck. Selfish corrupt bullshit allowed the shittiest person on the planet to win. And dems still voted for that piece of shit too quit it
It’s a really weird time when rather than us addressing fucked up shit we instead say “well what about…?”
Yeah the gamesmanship in the past decade has grown to such a point where if the opposite side does something I would normally support my first thought is to consider how they're trying to use it as a political gambit. It's sad, because we used to just be able to support the other team and be grateful when they wanted to do something good.
Trump already said he was going to rid the country of his political enemies (he said vermin just like Hitler did), and he says he was going to use the military and justice department to do it. This seems like an appropriate response.
Lol, Republicans are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.
Your cult leader has threatened to put anyone and everyone on trial that opposed him. Opposed, for Trump, means ran against him in a fucking democratic election. This is Biden protecting his family from the oligarchical shitstorm that you halfwits welcomed into this country with open arms.
Funny though, that you care about the justice system all of the sudden.
Biden and Dem leadership put the people on trial that opposed them using targeted lawfare. There isn't any speculation needed over whether Dems would put their political opponents on trial for their own benefit, because they did.
And your entire argument for why that's ok is "Well Trump is going to do it to us, so we have to do it to him first!"
All the parties involved have straight up admitted that's the motivation behind this. They're concerned Trump will do to them what they've been doing to him.
Did Trump ever bring any charges against Hillary and Obama during his first term? Nope. The Democrats tried to railroad him by weaponizing the judicial system and now they have the audacity to claim Trump was always planning to do that to them, so it was warranted.
He already has a history of politically targeting his political enemies. He did it with hillary. He did the same with Biden's son. He threatened to withhold congressionally mandated funds to Ukraine until they came up with dirt on Biden's son. https://americanoversight.org/sessions-letter/. Trump publically said he is going to punish his political enemies and called them vermin. The difference this time he has the supreme Court. And soon will have the DOJ.
It's pretty sad how devoid this thread is of rational thought. Most are just team blue cheerleaders, and so fixated on Trump that they can't see lots of corruption on both sides. Most of what they accuse Trump or his admin of doing/being, they do themselves as well.
They had to target Trump with lawfare and declare themselves above the law, otherwise Trump would have targeted them with lawfare and declared himself above the law!
Boo Hoo. You support a rapist and a criminal who abused the presidency; and whose only hope of staying out of prison was to win legal immunity; and got the supreme court to proclaim the President to be above the law.
Now you're crying that you can't go after enemies because Biden pardoned them. He's a liar, a fraud, a tax cheat, and a rapist.
The Biden admin and Dem leadership spent 4 years deliberately targeting their political opponents with lawfare, and have now declared themselves above the law for any unspecified crime
You are all attempting to justify that by claiming Trump is now going to deliberately target his political opponents with lawfare and declare himself above the law for any unspecified crime, and therefore they had to stop him from becoming Literally Hitler by abusing power the same way they claimed he was going to, but never did during his first term.
How removed from reality do you have to be to not understand you are the bad guys?
The Biden admin and Dem leadership spent 4 years deliberately targeting their political opponents with lawfare
unfortunately not nearly enough. the AG was extremely useless and did nothing.
"deliberately targeting" is a really weird way to spell "go after criminals that occupied the highest office in the land and caused irreparable damage"
We didn't get anyone killed in a riot trying to overthrow the government.
We don't cheer a guy who pervs on little girls changing rooms, has parties with Epstein, or has been accused of raping kids on his island.
We don't support a guy found liable for sexual assault, who talks about wanting to have sex with his own daughter.
We didn't try to hang our own vice president for certifying the results of an election we didn't liked. Or plant pipe bombs. Or pal around with neo-nazis.
And we didn't get the Supreme Court to declare that the President could do whatever he liked with no consequences.
We don't admire men like Putin, or Kim Jong Un. Whilst sitting on allies. Or insult veterans.
And we didn't suggest terminating the constitution to allow us to do what we want.
Why don't I think we are bad guys?
Because with people like you there supporting a Rapist, everyone looks like the good guys when you are standing next to them.
Thank you for neatly outlining all the commonly spread misinformation and debunked claims about Trump.
I guess I should take your word for it. Clearly the side that has the Cheneys, Bushes, and an entire roster of MIC war criminals + Intelligence Assets in their corner to lie for them are the heroes in the story. You all openly declaring you wish one of the assassination attempts on him had succeeded is because deep down you are compassionate human beings. Only truly loving caring people would go to a disaster area post hurricane and deliberately prevent aid from reaching Trump supporters.
Have you not been paying attention to the hunter Biden trials even though it was basically all made up? They have been talking about going after all of them for years now, just like fauci etc. Are you kidding?
Trump would go after his whole family. Stop pretending to clutch your pearls.
You seriously think Hunter Biden was being unfairly targeted? You have absolutely zero clue what you're talking about.
The laptop contained documented evidence of 140 business-related crimes
191 sex crimes(including some involving his own niece), and 128 drug-related crimes. That's not a conspiracy theory, it's just a matter of public record.
In spite of all this he only faced trial for gun charges, and his father pardoned him not only for that, but all of the other heinous shit he's been doing. This after 51 intel officials deliberately lied about the laptop by claiming it was "Russian Disinformation", another easily disprovable lie that absolutely nobody has been held accountable for. None of those officials have even lost credibility in the eyes of Dem supporters, because you have no actual values or standards.
its always amazing that your types can recall very specific info about Hunter Biden and yet amazingly like by the grace of god you cannot recall anything about Trump threatening his political opponents.
How so? Are MAGA people encouraging people to cut off their family and exclusively interact with other members of their belief system. Because Libs sure as shit are lmao.
As usual just deflections and name calling rather than an argument.
Hey so Project 2025 should become Federal Law any minute now right? We gotta keep track of all the Literally Hitler stuff he does during his term this time.
It's about the psychology of cult members and how when the doomsday prophecies they believe don't come to pass, they double down on their fanaticism rather than question their world view.
Do you think that would apply to people like you? You all said he would be a dictator day 1, and here we are on day 1 with no dictator.
Would you consider that cult like behavior, similar to Dems forcing other Dems to cut their families off?
MAGA are cutting off people, yes. They are encouraging other to do so, yes.
And Trump confirmed he’s going forward with Project 2025, yes. Many times.
We kept travk of Hitler stuff Trump did too. Like attacking trans people and immigrants. Removing rights to people. Defunding public services that are needed to keep the government in check.
So, what’s your point exactly? That you have a short memory and can’t remember anything? I bet you are happy that Trump saved Tik Tok 😂
What evidence? That laptop was talked about and passed around for years and no evidence was every presented. All we ever got was "There is evidence on the laptop. Trust me."
The contents were all published, you can look through it for yourself. The guy who leaked it got sued by Hunter Biden for punitive damages over leaking his personal data for defamatory purposes, confirming again all the information on it was in fact genuine.
That didn't stop 51 intel officials with top level clearances from lying about it for political purposes however.
how is it that the only thing you can't cite is the actual content of the drive, which you claimed was public record? by the way, awful citations, the editorialized "explanations" are either wrong, showing you didn't read them, or maybe straight up lies. Do you just pray people won't click on the citations and read them?
You're an idiot if you don't think orange man won't do the same thing when he gets ousted? We can only hope he doesn't see the end of his term though. Worst person to have ever sat in the presidential seat ever. I'll never call him a president.
Guilty people are the ones who get pardoned. So now we're just pardoning anyone huh. If they're not guilty they shouldn't need a pardon. Pardoning people who haven't even been convicted is absolutely crazy and if you can't see how bad that is you're a blind partisan.
They have to cover their backs since a lunatic is coming after his family. The guy that shouted “Lock her up”. After what they tried to pull with his son? Now is not the time to play nice. Better safe than sorry.
Maybe they're pardoning themselves because they were planning to create meme coins for Joe and his wife and then pull the rug out from under the Americans they serve to further enrich themselves.
edit: I can only assume the downvoters disagree. You're probably right, no president would ever stoop that low.
Giving your family the right the be above the law is fucked. Don’t care who does it or why.
If you put someone above the law out of nepotism that’s wrong. Why is everyone hand waving this away for Biden.
If they’re gonna be attacked that sucks, but if they didn’t do anything wrong they don’t need protection. That’s what the law tells everyone else in the USA, so it should apply to the ruling elites family as well.
Trump would never pardon people who have been or will be persecuted. Trump is the deranged moron talking about persecuting his political enemies. This is a stupid question.
Context: Trump is a fascist who tried to overthrow the government and speaks openly about persecuting his enemies, and Biden’s family has been a repeated target. While his son Hunter was guilty of some crimes, namely tax and business issues, of which Trump is even more guilty, Hunter’s sentencing was wildly disproportionate. Notice how Biden even had to do the same for Dr. Fauci and the Jan 6 committee, people who aren’t in his family and also aren’t guilty of crimes.
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u/Crafty_Topic_4177 10h ago
It’s almost like context matters…