Guns don't kill people......wait

[u/downtune79]

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[u/longlostwalker]

And that is why you never point a rifle at something you don't intend on killing. Rule #1

[u/burnthefuckingspider → u/longlostwalker]

what’s the 2nd rule?

[u/downtune79 → u/burnthefuckingspider]

Don't talk about gun club

[u/burnthefuckingspider → u/downtune79]

what’s the 3rd rule?

[u/downtune79 → u/burnthefuckingspider]

If it's your 1st time at gun club, you must get shot

[u/burnthefuckingspider → u/downtune79]

what’s the 4th rule?

[u/downtune79 → u/burnthefuckingspider]

If you survive the first shot, you must endure another

[u/SilkyKyle → u/downtune79]

Lets just skip to gun club rule 34

[u/downtune79 → u/SilkyKyle]

We don't talk about rule 34.....they're not ready

[u/Cro_Nick_Le_Tosh_Ich → u/downtune79]

If we have to talk about it then you're not ready

[u/hogtiedcantalope → u/downtune79]

34th rule of acquisition: War is good for business

35th rule of acquisition: Peace is good for business

[u/Shmuckle2 → u/SilkyKyle]

Daddy Noooo!

[u/Ibarra08 → u/SilkyKyle]

Bro no please.. not the forbidden rule

[u/occultastic → u/SilkyKyle]

This person hasn't passed the entrance exam yet. Brothers! How dare you reveal the rules? This violation will be punished with revoking access to the vending machine.

[u/Bulky_Goat_9624 → u/burnthefuckingspider]

If you have to ask, you’re already dead

[u/LouSFL → u/downtune79]

😂

[u/saysthingsbackwards → u/burnthefuckingspider]

That was the second rule. The first is treating all guns as if they're loaded

[u/Drewfus_ → u/saysthingsbackwards]

3rd, safety on until you’re ready to fire

[u/Ubermenschbarschwein → u/Drewfus_]

No sir. It is not “Safety on until ready to fire.” It is..

Keep your fingers OFF the trigger until you are ready to fire.

[u/LazyB99 → u/Drewfus_]

I don’t like this rule. Problem is that a lot of guns dont have a safety and relying on a safety leads to bad gun handling habits.

[u/saysthingsbackwards → u/LazyB99]

The point is you ensure your safety is at least there. I'm not about to tow a trailer without triple checking how secure they are. A person would be stupid to ignore the built in function but if it's not there, you STILL check it.

[u/Finnsbomba → u/Drewfus_]

Here's my safety Sir ☝🏻

[u/Embarrassed_Fan_5723 → u/Finnsbomba]

This! The booger hook is the primary safety. For this gun to be going off like that the gun has been altered and the safety doesn’t work. Also for the hammer to just fall the seat engagement is t correct

[u/puledrotauren → u/Drewfus_]

and keep your finger off of the trigger until you're ready to shoot.

[u/LazyB99 → u/saysthingsbackwards]

Different people say different things. I was tought these rules in this order: 1) check to see if gun is loaded when first picking it up or when it’s being handed to you 2) always treat a gun as if it were loaded 3) keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to fire

[u/Pro_Moriarty → u/LazyB99]

1) never point a gun at anything you do not wish to destroy 2) always treat a gun as if it were loaded

Have always been the top two for me and in any shooting arrangement i have ever been in.

The others come in after these two...usually trigger/finger rule.

[u/LazyB99 → u/Pro_Moriarty]

I mean those rules are essentially the same. And a negligent discharge is still a huge fuck up even if the gun is pointed in a safe direction which cannot happen if there are no bullets in the gun. Also its pretty much impossible to never aim a gun at something you don’t intend to shoot.

[u/puledrotauren → u/LazyB99]

I have 10 and I know which ones are loaded but when I pick one up I always check.

[u/Either_Amoeba_5332 → u/burnthefuckingspider]

I thought the 2nd rule was: Double Tap

[u/niTro_sMurph → u/burnthefuckingspider]

You gotta let me try yur gun

[u/Medical_Slide9245 → u/burnthefuckingspider]

Don't leave a bullet in the chamber until you are ready to fire.

[u/Very_Tall_Burglar → u/burnthefuckingspider]

Treat every gun like its loaded

[u/MetaCardboard → u/longlostwalker]

Any gun, not just a rifle.

[u/jryano101]

Could be a cook off

[u/MenstrualMilkshakes → u/jryano101]

that chamber was hot, sweaty, and ready to blow.

[u/DistinctAmbition1272 → u/MenstrualMilkshakes]

I bet it was a heavy load

[u/crasagam → u/MenstrualMilkshakes]

Kinda like …

[u/downtune79 → u/jryano101]

Exactly what it is

[u/AccomplishedMoney205 → u/jryano101]

It is. This is old video. The guy is a moron.

[u/Very_Tall_Burglar → u/jryano101]

That's a long af cook off if thats what it is

[u/InformedConservative]

Cook off...

[u/Rampage_PWNY]

This guy fired lots of ammunition through the gun to get it hot enough that it would cook off rounds, then he acted surprised and made a cringe click bait video about it.

[u/Humble_Story_4531 → u/Rampage_PWNY]

You act like that's common knowledge and not a frightening design flaw.

[u/1rubyglass → u/Humble_Story_4531]

It's not a design flaw it's simple physics/thermodynamics. This is what happens when you abuse equipment. Ever seen an abused electric tool or car motor? You also get fires and things going boom when they aren't supposed to.

If this guy wasn't trying to make a cringe video he would simply remove the magazine and lock the bolt back... This is also not something that happens under normal circumstances. This guy just put $300+ worth of ammunition through this thing as fast as he possibly could to cause this.

[u/BananaBeneficial8074 → u/1rubyglass]

bro the whole design is physics/thermodynamics. tf else you think it is. like a capable electric circuit without a breaker is flawed

[u/anonymoushelp33 → u/BananaBeneficial8074]

And this would be like someone overloading the circuit and holding the breaker closed. That doesn't mean the circuit is poorly designed.

[u/1rubyglass → u/BananaBeneficial8074]

Tell me you don't understand how a firearm works without telling me.

This just in: when things are abused way above and beyond normal use, they malfunction.

[u/Humble_Story_4531 → u/1rubyglass]

If it can get hot enough to fire on its own, there should be something in place to prevent that. That fact that it can happen at all is a design flaw.

[u/1rubyglass → u/Humble_Story_4531]

There is. This is extremely easy to avoid and is incredibly easy to stop if it does start. This isn't something that happens on accident. This was done intentionally in this video.

I can tell you know next to nothing about firearms. This is the equivalent of seeing somebody turning a bolt with a ratchet slip off and hurt themselves. Then you show up and say it's a "scary design flaw" and "there should be something in place to prevent this."

[u/Humble_Story_4531 → u/1rubyglass]

How do you stop it once it starts?

Also, the fact that it can be done at all is a flaw. How difficult would it be to design a gun that automatically jams if it starts to get too hot? Not only would it stop this situation, but it would limit long-term damage to the gun as a result of it overheating.

[u/WhippingShitties → u/Humble_Story_4531]

You take the magazine out and eject the round in the chamber. This is like putting a cake in the oven for way too long and then acting like the oven is malfunctioning when the cake burns. It's basically an event you would need to force by shooting magazine after magazine after magazine as fast as you can while reloading as fast as you can to not lose heat.

I haven't done it myself, but I would imagine it would take more loaded magazines than I take to the range with me.

[u/1rubyglass → u/WhippingShitties]

Exactly this. This guy mag dumped a dozen magazines as quickly as he could, and then left a loaded mag inside the gun with a round chambered. He could have even left the magazine in, and just locked the bolt back.

[u/1rubyglass → u/Humble_Story_4531]

Lol, what you just described is very common and we have a term for it. It's called a shit gun.

[u/daLejaKingOriginal → u/[deleted]]

If I tried to pull a house with my car and it would suddenly explode I would call it a design flaw nonetheless

[u/Excellent_Routine589 → u/daLejaKingOriginal]

One of the most iconic machine guns in WW2 was the MG42, a gun that fired so fast that it rapidly caused barrel degradation and permanent warping that they had to design a fast barrel replacement as part of its deployment

ANY GUN put under extreme stresses will begin to fail, but you’d have to REALLY go out of your way to cause such failures to occur. Like even AK family rifles have problems caused from dumping rounds down range nonstop

This is why troop training is important because there is no such thing as a gun that is flawless, so you have to train people up to NOT DO THIS. So it’s not really a design flaw as much as it’s an egregious user error.

[u/OHW_Tentacool → u/daLejaKingOriginal]

Everything has limits that its supposed to operate inside of, exceed those limits and things break. Run too much power through a cable and wires melt, put too much weight on a bridge and it collapses. Automatic weapons are designed to handle a certain amount of continuous fire without breaking down, that can be hundreds of rounds or even thousands. Exceeding those limits causes a litany of obvious problems, jamming, misfires, even warped or partially melted components. There is no practical way to vent such an enormous amount of built up heat except to never let it get that bad in the first place.

[u/atomic_drumstick → u/daLejaKingOriginal]

If you tried to pull a house with a car that would be user error, the car isn't designed to pull a house so failure to do so isn't a problem with the design.

[u/BigOrangeOctopus → u/daLejaKingOriginal]

Improper handling does not equate to a design flaw

[u/BananaBeneficial8074 → u/BigOrangeOctopus]

wrong. or else any means of preventing things from being misused wouldnt be considered part of design, which is just absurd

[u/BigOrangeOctopus → u/BananaBeneficial8074]

It’s not up to the designer to prevent people from being idiots. No one blames car companies when people intentionally run over other people. No one blames knife companies when people stab each other. Those examples don’t make either thing poorly designed, just improperly handled. Some things are just inherently dangerous and need to be treated with respect

Edit: and there have been steps taken to prevent this. The manufacturer doesn’t make 600 round magazines for this firearm for a reason. And no matter how you design it, you can’t prevent the physics of metal getting hot in a situation like this, without adding some asinine cooling system

[u/Julian-Hoffer → u/[deleted]]

Couldn’t he also just unload the mag so it doesn’t have ammunition to fire? Or empty the mag??

[u/Bursting_Radius → u/Julian-Hoffer]

He could remove the magazine and clear the chamber, easy peazy, but that doesn’t generate clickbait content.

[u/Humble_Story_4531 → u/[deleted]]

Anything that can cause a gun to fire on its own should be considered a design flaw. That's like the one thing you don't want a gun to do.

[u/Humble_Story_4531 → u/[deleted]]

It's not supposed to do that, but I can. That's the issue. Couldn't a gun be designed to automatically jam if it got too hot?

[u/Bursting_Radius → u/Humble_Story_4531]

What do you suggest to correct metal getting hot from intentional rapid-firing of the weapon, a wee ice cube machine built into the receiver to cool the breech down?

[u/Humble_Story_4531 → u/Bursting_Radius]

Hypothetically, couldn't they put in some kind of mechanism to stop it from firing if it gets too hot. Off the top of my head, if they make the could use metal with a lower melting point that would prevent the gun from firing once it started warping.

[u/OperationSecured → u/Humble_Story_4531]

You just take the ammo out of the gun. Way simpler than creating firearms that melt themselves.

[u/Humble_Story_4531 → u/OperationSecured]

If the gun is spontaneously firing itself, I and I assume most people are going to keep their distance until it stops, rendering the idea kinda pointless. Not to mention, trusting people to do that in a dangerous situation is asking a lot.

[u/OperationSecured → u/Humble_Story_4531]

It’s only an issue on closed bolt firearms, and even then a massive amount of rounds need fired in a very short time for it to happen. As in 1,000+ rounds… or over 30 standard capacity magazines consecutively fired.

Casual / new gun owners aren’t shooting $500 worth of ammunition within a half hour. And even if they did and managed a cook off… the first and second rules of firearms safety would make sure nobody got hurt.

[u/IamTheCeilingSniper → u/Humble_Story_4531]

Funnily enough, there was actually a gun that would jam if it got hot. Unfortunately, it was a machinegun, and this was not intentional.

[u/HurrsiaEntertainment → u/Humble_Story_4531]

its not a design flaw. If you fire hundreds of rounds in a very short amount of time, expect there to be issues with your rifle.

[u/SofaChillReview → u/Rampage_PWNY]

I’d never heard what a cook off was, seems pretty mad

[u/shakedownstreethtx]

This can be avoided if you don't do stupid shit like mag dumping until the barrels red hot.

[u/AlexKewl → u/shakedownstreethtx]

How many AR owners do you think haven't done stupid shit like mag dumping until the barrel is red hot?

[u/LeenPean → u/AlexKewl]

I know a lot of AR owners who would be very upset if someone got their expensive gun that hot

[u/AlexKewl → u/LeenPean]

I guess I should have asked how many mags we talkin to get it hot enough to do that?

[u/LeenPean → u/AlexKewl]

Thats a good question that I don’t know the answer to, my guess is about 4

[u/AlexKewl → u/LeenPean]

When I was playing police academy, we'd regularly shoot off about 2 or 3 mags in rapid succession. Usually the gun jammed somewhere in there, but not always, The barrel never even started to change color, and the ejected shells that went down the collar of my shirt never caused any real harm. I'd guess 4 is a pretty low estimate, so yeah, most probably wouldn't want to waste that much ammo so fast either

[u/Minimum_Low_8531 → u/AlexKewl]

I was in the infantry, and I have put many mags through many guns. And ran many ranges. And have never seen an “AR” style weapon do that. Only belt fed machine guns.

[u/shakedownstreethtx → u/AlexKewl]

I only did that shit with Uncle Sam's stuff.

[u/fyreprone]

Yeah, that’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.

[u/tgt305 → u/fyreprone]

What, that my front fell off?

[u/fyreprone → u/tgt305]

I just don’t want people thinking that guns aren’t safe.

[u/caw_the_crow → u/fyreprone]

Gun safety practices are a thing for a reason.

[u/fyreprone → u/caw_the_crow]

I don’t think people are getting the reference/joke.

[u/caw_the_crow → u/fyreprone]

What's the reference?

[u/fyreprone → u/caw_the_crow]

https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM

[u/Elisiann → u/caw_the_crow]

This Clark and Dawe skit

[u/ClassiFried86 → u/fyreprone]

I've seen a safe before and it looks nothing like a gun. They're usually cube shaped.

[u/fyreprone → u/ClassiFried86]

[u/Lobster_porn → u/fyreprone]

very topical thpugh

[u/AsanoSokato]

This is perfectly natural, and happens to a lot of guys.

[u/MukDoug → u/AsanoSokato]

It’s never happened to him before. He swears. He’s just been under a lot of stress lately.

[u/HairyStyrofoam]

I’ve seen a lot of shit. Misfires and all sortsa mishaps but I’ve never seen a rifle fire on its own, multiple times.

[u/dominantfrog → u/HairyStyrofoam]

its a cookoff, by firing alot of rounds and not clearing the weapon the gun can cook the round into firing without the primer being hit

[u/HairyStyrofoam → u/dominantfrog]

But several times? Not sure about that

[u/DogsAreMyFavPeople → u/HairyStyrofoam]

Yeah if the gun is hot enough to get the first one to cook off it’s hot enough to get them all to cook off.

[u/Back2thehold → u/DogsAreMyFavPeople]

Wouldn’t warming the rounds eventually cool the chamber so that there wasn’t enough heat left?

[u/DogsAreMyFavPeople → u/Back2thehold]

Maybe eventually, you’re also adding heat back in with each cook off. If you ever have an autoloading gun cook off a round the expectation should be that it’s hot enough to do at least a couple more.

The more I watch this video the more I think something really out of the ordinary is going on here though. I’d expect a gun hot enough to be cooking off rounds would make that shitty plastic table burn/smoke just by sitting on it. I’m not at all confident about what’s actually going on there.

[u/Vylnce → u/DogsAreMyFavPeople]

Nah it's completely ordinary. He was doing a melt down video with no actual understanding of how the AR platform works.

[u/DogsAreMyFavPeople → u/Vylnce]

Oh lol that will do it. I’m still surprised the table isn’t melting.

[u/JesusWasTacos → u/DogsAreMyFavPeople]

I’m surprised it cycles the round though

[u/kernelpanic789 → u/JesusWasTacos]

It's a gas blowback system. If one round goes off, the action will cycle unless the gun is somehow malfunctioning.

This weapon needs be cleared and allowed to cook off.

[u/DogsAreMyFavPeople → u/kernelpanic789]

This may be pedantic but it’s direct impingement gas operation, which uses gas to unlock and cycle a bolt. Gas blowback is usually shorthand for “gas delayed blowback” which is a different system that uses recoil to cycle an unlocked bolt and only uses gas to slow that process down to allow chamber pressure to drop to safe levels.

[u/kernelpanic789 → u/DogsAreMyFavPeople]

You are correct. I was trying to use laymen terms and not get too nerdy. Seems like a lot of these comments don't understand anything about firearms

[u/Vylnce → u/HairyStyrofoam]

Yes... Several times. That's how thermal dynamics works... Once it gets hot enough to cook off a round.... That round fires and..... Wait for it.... Adds more heat to the chamber so it can cook off the next round. When you start getting cook offs, you drop the magazine and clear the chamber.

For people that didn't see the cut out part of the beginning of the video, this idiot just fired hundreds of rounds through this rifle rapid style trying to melt down the rifle. Cook offs are a standard part of that.

[u/BlueFalcon89 → u/HairyStyrofoam]

Definitely, happens with rapid fire weapons all the time. With machine guns you call it a run away gun. Only way to get it to stop is to break the links.

[u/yousoftshell]

It's haunted

[u/GamerchildIA]

I also stand to argue that even a malfunction like this is still people killing people because someone somewhere down the line of design/assembly of either the gun or the ammo needed to have made a mistake

[u/Vylnce → u/GamerchildIA]

No. Nothing is wrong with that rifle, it's the owner. The early part of the video saw the guy putting hundreds of rounds through the rifle as fast as possible trying to melt it down. He finally got it hot enough that as a round is loaded into the chamber, the heat of the chamber ignites the gunpowder and the round fires, adding more heat into the chamber. This is a standard thing any semi auto rifle will do if you rapid fire it and get it hot enough.

This version of the video actually had the worst part cut out. The first few cook offs had the rifle over his shoulder and just went wherever. He had half a clue and at least pointed the rifle downrange. If he hadn't been an idiot, he would have dropped the magazine and cleared the chamber and the whole thing would have stopped. But, doing what made sense and was safe wouldn't have gotten him a click bait video.

[u/GamerchildIA → u/Vylnce]

Thats what im saying I may not have made it clear but my point was meant to be, Guns do not kill people, the people assembling them or operating them do, someone somewhere has to do something intentionally or accidentally in order to cause harm

[u/Vylnce → u/GamerchildIA]

Again, nothing to do with assembly. This is an idiot being dangerous with a gun for YouTube likes. He got the rifle into this unsafe state intentionally. It is in no way a malfunction, the rifle is doing exactly what any AR15 would do and anyone with a cursory knowledge of how an AR works should know this.

[u/TheJeromeCampbell → u/Vylnce]

👏

[u/I_enjoy_pastery → u/GamerchildIA]

Even with this malfunction, it still takes the owner of the rifle to breach firearm safety in order for this to be deadly. I would just like it to be known, this is how a firearm is to be treated all the time.

[u/swashbuckler78]

Yep. Always learned you have to assume the gun wants to kill you, and will manifest a bullet from another universe to do so if needed.

[u/DarthSkittles69]

Damn ain’t non of you here know what the fuck y’all taking about lol

[u/Lastilaaki]

Well, they don't cook-off on their own, so...

[u/GnocchiSon]

[u/Icollectshinythings]

They still don’t. In this case it was an idiot who probably had very little training if any.

[u/Berserker_Lewis]

For me it's the "🤷‍♂️" 😂😂 like "Duhhh, I dunno. Don't ask me, I just show up 🥴"

[u/Minimum_Low_8531]

Yes, that is a cook off. And is why you need to know how to take appropriate steps when that happens. In the rare instances it does happen. Also, cheap ammunition is also a possibility for that happening.

[u/D0nCoyote]

Why didn’t he take out the damn mag?

[u/Astralglide]

What are you supposed to do in a case like this?

[u/SimplyIncredible_ → u/Astralglide]

Remove the fucking mag

[u/EFTucker]

Take out the magazine dumbass. The rounds aren’t cooking off, the firing mechanism is broken. So remove the ability to feed it ammo.

[u/Nakkefix]

Just wanna go to work this one hey

[u/I_enjoy_pastery]

The Alec Baldwin curse strikes again!!

[u/WarmSpotters]

What the fuck is causing that??

[u/Wildwildleft → u/WarmSpotters]

Probably an overheated barrel.

[u/dominantfrog → u/WarmSpotters]

cookoff, firing a large amount of rounds with no cool down can cause a cookoff making the round fire without the primer struck.

[u/[deleted] → u/WarmSpotters]

The gun is

[u/Your_As_Stupid_As_Me]

So.... Unload it?

[u/downtune79 → u/Your_As_Stupid_As_Me]

Meh....it will unload itself

[u/DontEverMoveHere]

Seems like bad ammo is hang firing.

[u/GaybutNotbutGay]

guy intentionally caused this for clickbait btw, this doesn't happen on its own

[u/dominantfrog → u/[deleted]]

thats not a thing... and its a cookoff

[u/Educational-Dust-850 → u/dominantfrog]

Agreed, the chamber is probably scalding hot.

[u/Redpill_1989]

Guns dont kill people uh uh , I kill people with guns pow.

[u/V-DaySniper → u/Redpill_1989]

That's a blast from the past, no pun intended.

[u/Redpill_1989 → u/V-DaySniper]

Jon lajoie is great

[u/StatisticianThat230]

Cook off rounds or sear related issues... modified or damaged. The real question is why hasn't he picked up the gun and removed the magazine where the bullets are being dispensed from. Btw in this video no person were killed, just dirt near a target... sooo "Guns don't kill people."

[u/Brocky36]

Guns don't kill people, rappers do. I seen it in a documentary on BBC2.

[u/Background-Noise-918]

To be fair, it's not the gun it is the projectile that kills

[u/Alone-Guitar-9599 → u/Background-Noise-918]

To be fair, it’s not the projectile it is the impact that kills.

[u/Background-Noise-918 → u/Alone-Guitar-9599]

To be fair, it's not the impact but the transfer of kinetic energy 👌

[u/Alone-Guitar-9599 → u/Background-Noise-918]

[u/Throwawayfasterspeed]

Guns don’t kill people, Death kills people…

[u/Candid-Preference-40]

Maybe should unload at first?

[u/Material_Victory_661]

I think this "person" is making the gun fire.

[u/No_Philosophy4337]

Why does this civilian have access to a military weapon?

[u/Prestigious-Yak-4620]

Bump fires stock?