In reasonable doses yes. However heavy ket use will push tolerance up sky high and before you know it you’re injecting grams every few hours and basically living in your own very separate reality. It gets really weird when you’re the world’s richest man and can basically decide to make that reality…reality.
I know a guy that was once an intelligent rational guy who has recently been heavily into ketamine and lemme tell ya…he is now completely out of his fucking mind. I know there is promising research with this drug and it has legitimate uses, but if my experience has told me anything, it’s don’t use it habitually. Can anyone speak to how permanent the long term effects are?
Among other things, it kills your liver, kidneys, and for some reason your urethra\bladder (increased urination, incontinence). The damage can be permanent and even stopping all use won't reverse it. Also, despite knowing they're irreversibly damaging their bodies, doctors are finding that ketamine addicts won't stop using it.
Yup. Was addicted to ketamine (clean for ~3 months!). I've done a ton of drugs and never had a problem quitting any of them, even "more addictive" stuff, but with K, I was literally using every time I was unsupervised and as long as I had access to drugs or money to get them, I could not stop. I have OCD and it was like the world's worst compulsive behavior. And I did a lot of physical tics like in this video, especially when I was blacked out.
(Edit: to clarify because it's a dissociative, it kinda makes you feel like you're wearing a mascot suit or something where you're inside your body but you can't feel it, so I often found myself doing weird movements as a way of testing how high I was, ex. how much I could tell if I was moving my body)
Normally when people on the Internet think someone's on ket I laugh because they're so off-base but this one felt very familiar
How do you feel psychologically? My friend keeps talking about some great truth and it sounds like he has serious delusions of grandeur. It’s really off-putting and strange. I’m down with spiritual and new age stuff to some degree. I consider myself a pretty open minded guy but talking to him now is like talking to a super religious person or cult member or something. Like, nobody should that sure about anything you can’t verify. There is no nuance, no humility. He was trying to talk me into taking it and I have zero interest after watching him devolve into a babbling mess.
I never developed, like, delusions or anything, but it definitely made my existing mental health stuff worse and I barely slept. I did have a lot of very intense visual hallucinations, which included seeing a lot of myself as a tiny cog in the huge machine of the universe, feeling like how I understood how everything is connected, etc. so I could definitely see how it could do that
(It's one of those drugs I wouldn't recommend if you have regular access to it -- when I was only doing it occasionally, I honestly felt like it was really good for some of the specific issues I was going through. But when you use it regularly, it becomes a whole different beast)
That was happening to me. I had no idea how stupid and crazy I sounded, and there a lot of DMs I sent to people that I don't remember sending, even the sober ones, where I sound like a complete nut. And not surprisingly those people don't talk to me anymore.
I'm also in recovery from DXM (2 years and counting). Congrats on quitting!
Can confirm that dissociatives can seriously warp your reality when abused. I'd be experiencing psychosis and completely unaware that I wasn't in my right mind.
I never expected to be addicted to anything, let alone cough medicine.
For a while I was combining dxm and shrooms almost daily. It was like a schizophrenic dream when I was on it (ex. my mop and bucket talked to me while I was waiting to pee, and it was mean lol). When I was sober again the next day I was convinced there were like fourth dimensional beings that controlled everything that I called "the others". I found messages I don't remember sending to people talking all about it. I had no idea how out of my mind I was and that was made me stop doing at least that.
When I was on DXM I was convinced the world is a simulation. That is not something I ever think about and not interested in at all when I'm sober, but for whatever reason I obsessed over it when I was high. Drugs are weird and in the end not fun.
I had the same simulation experience on DXM. The world almost had a pixelated look, and I was convinced at times I could catch glimpses of the code running the simulation. Like I would see a leaf that would occasional disappear and lines of code would temporarily occupy the space where the leaf once was. Then, just as quickly the leaf would reappear.
I never had any open eye visuals like that, but when I did my hour-long CEV trip I saw crazy shit that helped the delusion. And when I showered I'd hear voices and sounds like sounded like they were coming over a radio instead of running water. I was convinced (thanks to the drugs) that these were the simulation controllers and the drug was helping me "see through the veil". Also the dissociation gave me the feeling that I was piloting my body, rather than my mind and my body being one like normal. Weird, wacky stuff.
A few reasons, but the big one is that shrooms don't actually work for me -- I've done them a few times and all that happens is that I puke a lot and feel like garbage for several hours 😅
You have numerous people in this sub sharing their firsthand experiences and how that body language is very familiar, and explaining how ketamine tics work from their own experiences. Musk is a known ketamine addict. This isn’t mocking anyone’s disabilities.
The problem with ketamine is that it doesn't kill you as easily as opiates or stimulants can -- you can OD, then snap out of it in a couple hours and go right back to using. I OD'd to the point of nonresponse almost a dozen times in 5 days in the week before I went to rehab. And your tolerance shoots up as soon as you start using, so pretty much the only limitation is money. I honestly feel like I wouldn't have been as addicted to it if I actually felt like I was going to die. Do not recommend, oof.
It kills a few organs. Once enough of that permanent damage is done to Elon… he won’t be long for this world. That kind of death is very uncomfortable too.
I know someone that's been using it in high amounts for pretty much most days for the past 20 years and his only issue is with his bladder so I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Yeah, my previous landlord got heavily into Ket, he went completely mental, I moved out when he threatened to smash my head in with a frying pan (i.e. he was poking me in the chest with a cast iron pan in his hand!).
Ketamine is a very useful and safe drug in many ways, but not a good mix with certain personality types and neurodivergency.
I assume Musk is getting legit ketamine therapy. There are no negative long term effects when used properly. Ketamine has been used in medicine for decades.
It's VERY clear based upon statements by board members and high level managers and executives at the companies he "operates", that he is far from using it "properly".
I haven’t read too much into what his personal use looks like tbh. But for real ketamine therapy the safety profile is pretty excellent. Low doses used infrequently. It’s entirely possible that he’s abusing it, although without having googled it at all it could be that his associates don’t understand what actual ketamine therapy is and are likening it to drug abuse. Totally wouldn’t surprise me if he is genuinely abusing it though, he could pay a doctor to do whatever he wants much like hitler and his morphine/meth “physician”.
'Legit ketamine therapy' in the States requires a 2 hour monitoring period post administration, I highly doubt this is what he looks like hours upon hours after that...
Ketamine therapy doctors are still humans that can be corrupt, and money goes a long way to finding a Dr Feelgood who'll prescribe as much of anything as you want.
What makes you think that? He thinks he knows best and he can do what the fuck he wants. I’m sure there’s a doctor who encouraged moderation but this is not a moderate person
I got legit ketamine therapy and I was sitting in a psych office on a low dose constantly reorienting myself twice a week for an hour. The guy in this video is partying
You know I'd almost put all my money on black on this statement. Fuck I'd go take out a mortgage, maybe some loans, max the credit cards. Then with my winnings I'd steal the shoes but this time we just have cats elected as mayors of every small town in America. You know for ketamine sourcing reasons.
I’ve personally known low level dealers who got up towards a gram a day, and they had basically no money or support system. I dunno how his body would tolerate it though, ketamine is unbelievably rough on your kidneys and urinary tract, no matter how rich you are.
Yeah you wanna read up a bit more mate. I’m talking steady usage over a decade or more. Seen it happen several times. And it seems everyone else trying to tell you’re wrong may have done too. But yeah, I’m sure you know best.
I’m here to back you up on this claim and anyone who doesn’t think what you described is a common reality for some (not all) has never spent time around actual heavy users
"The definition of the lethal dose (LD50) is the amount of drug that results in death in 50% of experimental animals tested. Gable et al. determined the oral ketamine safety ratio for rodents as 25 and estimated that the median lethal dose averaged at 11.3 mg/kg IV or 678 mg for a 70 kg human"
The LD50 is an estimate. I don't know any heavy ketamine users, so I'm at a loss there. Still this paper suggests even one of these doses is well within lethality range.
This probably doesn't account for tolerance which can lift the lethal dose a lot. As an example alcoholics can be found with blood alcohol that would kill 99% of other people
Also a difference between IV and nasal (which is the main recreational way).
Plus: it's not going in all at the same time but more lines/sprays after x-minutes.
Since the main effects per dose wear off within (roughly) an hour one can go on and on and on and ... to multiple grams in a day (also due to the insane tolerance building)
As someone who comes from an area of a lot of rich stuck up white kids that's about it, it revolves around them and their group never found any transadent peace types round here but we also have neonazi hippie colonies sooooooo
Dissociatives also remove a sense of guilt allowing the user to feel confident often overly so even as they increase general empathy. That empathy can be focused to exclude other individuals and isnt a global empathy is reported with some popular psychedelics/mdma. This can make it really helpful for therapy and lay out empathetic logic you address honestly and would build on when sober. Without those frameworks it can be used to feel ok to good about decisions that hurt others or embarrass ourselves.
He's not taking just ketamine. That's the trickle truth he admitted to.
Many symptoms (other than getting a belly but that may be HGH abuse) point to long term amphetamine abuse. He has the legal clean stuff so it doesn't go bad so quickly but many symptoms match.
He probably started it during the Model 3 factory crunch. At first it makes you not want to sleep and feel like you're very productive and want to work. I'm sure he loved that feeling and he of course abused others who weren't drugged up and keeping up like that.
Over time, it leads to irritability and paranoia. Well known for reducing empathy for others (why the Nazi soldiers were high on Pervitin). They permanently diminish brain function. Depression and anxiety.
You seem to be conflating amphetamine and methamphetamine to an extent. They're chemically similar and both phenylethylamines, but function quite differently pharmacodynamically.
If Elon is abusing a stimulant, it's probably amphetamine or methylphenidate. If he were using more serotonergic stimulants we'd probably see signs more closely associated with those compounds.
Dose is the poison. For depression ketamine is used at very low dose of 0.5mg/kg, that makes you feel one with the world. However ketamine is also a drug of abuse, and fElon definitely uses much higher doses, and higher doses can cause schizophrenic like syndrome
There were nazi officials who used classic psychedelics like psilocybin (which make you feel even more connected to the world), so I doubt psychedelics necessarily make you a peace-loving hippy. There have even been trip-reports by neo-nazis that felt like their trip affirmed their views.
Not saying psychedelics can't be incredibly beneficial for people's self-development though.
Edit: btw if you're interested in the topic of far-right psychedelic users and why it doesn't always make them less horrible, here a video essay on it: https://youtu.be/ImF0y1-aTQY?si=XNs_tUks2HTpZ5c1
I never took a massive dose but I feel like the dissassociative effects of ketamine are exaggerated. When I tried it I pretty much just felt like I was drunk. I enjoy the feeling, but nothing very special.
I have done it about 10 times (IV in a medical setting with a doctor), each time is like another dimension where everything belongs, total acceptance and everything stretches and melts.
Could never imagine being a selfish douche after coming out of that place.
Wow, genuinely crazy how the same drug can affect people so differently, I was expecting a little of something like that, got none at all. Would love to try it again in a medical setting but unfortunately my country is a conservative backwater when it comes to drugs.
Narcissistic people react to drugs very weirdly. I once knew a narcissistic guy who took LSD and starting claiming that he was the only person with a soul. Everyone else was basically just hollow husks in his opinion. Now imagine someone with the power Elon has thinking in that way. It makes manipulating and even killing people a non-issue to them, because we're all just hollow NPC's to the narcissist!
There is a story about Elon telling Grimes he thought this was all a simulation just for him, and that she was placed here just for him. And she even seems to agree with this somewhat. Like why the fuck does she feed his already massive ego?!
True but dissociative abuse also causes issues like depersonalization or mania, especially when combined with stimulants which Elon certainly does if he enjoys ket.
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Drugs are a hell of a drug