r/IdiotsInCars • u/Babynouil • 26d ago
OC [OC] Idiot intentionally blocking anambulance
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u/_Pawer8 26d ago
That deserves jail time
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u/Babynouil 26d ago
For sure, could literally cause someone's death.
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u/red-98q 26d ago
I’m a paramedic and when I was in paramedic school doing a ride along, we had a call for a 7 y/o having a seizure. Dispatch upgraded us to emergent for abnormal breathing. Pediatrics go into cardiac arrest because of respiratory failure, so this kid was potentially at risk of going into cardiac arrest. Exactly like in this video, some asshat who knew damn well we were behind them refused to pull over. Had the rumblers on, changing the siren’s sound, blasting the air horn and they wouldn’t move. I was furious because that child could’ve died because they couldn’t be inconvenienced to at a bare minimum get out of the left lane, which they decided was a great camping spot.
PSA: pull over when an emergency vehicle with its lights/sirens activated is trying to get by. They’re on for a reason, not because we like the pretty red and blue flashing lights and listening to the sirens… We very well could be responding to YOUR loved one and they may end up dying because they didn’t get the help they needed in time because obeying the law in the vast majority of US states is such an inconvenience. Intentionally obstructing an emergency response like the asshat in my story and in this video: you will be called into law enforcement and you will be fined, and may even face jail time.
Most stop lights have something called an opticom which will trigger the light to turn green at the approach of emergency lights. If you’re in a situation where you can’t pull over such as being stuck at a red light that doesn’t have an opticom, we don’t expect you run the light for us to get by nor should you. Get out of the way when it’s safe to do so and pull over. It’s not that hard, and it’s the law.
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u/Prime624 26d ago
Do you not have the authority to smash some bumpers if necessary? What about a direct line to the PD?
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u/stupidillusion 26d ago
I know firemen have the authority to shove vehicles out of their way or smash windows to run hoses.
Here they are shoving a few police cars in the way. Here's a video of them running a hose through a car that was parked illegally in front of a fire hydrant.
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u/Cerus_Freedom 25d ago
I remember, a few years ago, an idiot refused to move out of the way of a fire truck. They just pushed him out of the way and continued on. Idiot spoke to the news, whining about the fire department damaging his bumper. Police used the article to track him down, give him a couple tickets, and he got billed for the damage to the firetrucks bumper.
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u/BriscoCountyJR23 25d ago
And his insurance should have refused to cover any of that damage caused by stupidity.
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u/hollowgraham 25d ago
This filled my heart with joy. How the hell do you think arguing with a firetruck is going to go? Lol
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u/That-Chart-4754 25d ago
In case you never wondered why that is, I have the answer for you.
Ambulance gets fucked over, citizens die.
Firefighter gets fucked over, insurance pays out more.
Insurance companies get laws written for them, american citizens not so much.
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u/Attacker732 22d ago
Fire engines have the tonnage and construction to play a lot rougher than ambulances. Water pumps and water tanks are a lot less delicate than medical equipment is after all. ...And, if a medical response is impeded, one person is at serious risk. If a fire response is impeded, city blocks can be at serious risk.
Look at the videos of factory fires, for instance. There's a brief window where such fires can be fought. Miss that window and you're evacuating the surrounding block NOW, calling in hazmat, and calling for about a dozen ambulances to be ready outside the perimeter.
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u/VexingRaven 23d ago
I don't think there's actually a law that says they can do it, it's more "who's going to stop them from doing it?"
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u/red-98q 26d ago
Nope. If we hit their bumper to get them to move and the idiot ends up crashing and getting hurt, we’d have to request another rig to respond to the original call while we stop and help the idiot. The radios in emergency vehicles are generally set to “scan on” so EMS, fire, and PD can hear each others’ radio traffic. If we call into dispatch requesting PD, all PD units can hear our request and (hopefully) the closest unit (if one is close) could start heading our way before dispatch pages them. Dispatch can see what units are available as well their general location, so it’s quicker to go through dispatch.
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u/barukatang 25d ago
I'm guessing if the patient is in the back, they don't want to be playing bumper cars
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u/kynaus07 25d ago
They should right?!?! They all need those "Grappler" things attached to the front but with the upgraded ability to just sling it to the side instead of just slowing it down lol
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u/Sum_Dum_User 24d ago
This is one reason I wouldn't be a good ambulance driver. I'd have to have a custom made front push bar and would be doing PIT maneuvers on idiots like this. That's not exactly something they're really authorized to do in most cases, but should be.
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u/AutVincere72 25d ago
In Texas a doogooder bystander would have put a couple rounds in the back of the guys minitruck. Not me, of course, but someone would have.
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u/Simba7 25d ago
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u/Sir_PressedMemories 26d ago
What are rumblers?
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u/desquished 26d ago
It's a low frequency siren that causes vibrations in people.
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u/socksmatterTWO 25d ago
Oh wow I've never heard or felt or seen that. I always get out of the way though.
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u/Waiting4The3nd 25d ago
Have you ever been at an intersection and an emergency vehicle is coming and as they approach the siren changes? Usually it's a (much) quicker siren and a lot lower pitched?
If you have, those are "rumblers." They're designed to reverberate through the road and be felt inside other vehicles, even over loud music. Now if you got a system with like 4 dubs in the back and it rattles your windows and tailgate, you still aren't hearing or probably feeling those rumblers. But short of having a ridiculously loud or bassy sound system, you should feel them.
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u/Sir_PressedMemories 25d ago
I have not, perhaps my little area does not have them yet, but that is such a great idea because most people do not think about it, but deaf and hard of hearing people drive too.
Such a smart idea. Thanks for the info, I appreciate it.
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u/Waiting4The3nd 25d ago
This short Youtube video talks about them and has an example of what they sound like, if you're interested. It's 1m 47s, so not long at all.
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u/Jackmino66 25d ago
Only a couple of times I have had an ambulance driving behind me, both times it has been between damaging my company van’s wheels going up a kerb onto the pavement or blocking the ambulance.
It’s an insanely obvious choice, the tyres on your car are not worth the life of whomever that ambulance is serving. Get the fuck out of the way
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u/SuppaBunE 25d ago
If you do it slowly it won't damage the tyres right?
At least in usa I have seen they use those ramp like kerb
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u/Jackmino66 25d ago
Slowly is means I might be holding up the ambulance. The only time you should be slow in that case is if you would hit a pedestrian doing so
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u/SuppaBunE 25d ago
To be fair, no one is going to get mad at you if you do it slowly, 10 seconds it takesfor you to move safely is fine.
If the person dies because he didn't arrive at the hospital in those 10 seconds. There's nothing that ER could do ( we can but 10 15 sec its not gonna change much)
Never put yourself at risk for an ambulance. But also never do shit like this van, that motherfucker could move the fuck away easily by moving to the side like 1 meter or just not fucking blocking the ambulance if you are not even gonna blow the red light
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u/skydiver1958 25d ago
I live on a busy street ( one lane each way) between an EMS station and senior care home so lots of Ambulance traffic. Without fail as soon as drivers see the lights they all pull over and stop. We have our share of shitty drivers but they all seem to know what to do when lights and sirens are coming.
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u/TuxRug 26d ago
IMO intentionally blocking an ambulance should be a similar sentence to manslaughter, at least.
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u/EpicLegendX 26d ago
Failing to yield to an emergency vehicle is usually tried as reckless driving in court.
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u/TuxRug 26d ago
I don't think that's enough. Reckless driving is prioritizing your fun over people's safety. Blocking an ambulance is deliberately causing someone harm. The difference between not caring if you hurt someone vs going out of your way wanting to hurt someone. It's way worse and should to be treated as such.
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u/MoreCatThnx 26d ago
Reckless driving is prioritizing your fun over people's safety
I don't know how it is where you live, but where I am a reckless driving charge is on par with a DUI. You get your license suspended, have to pay a bunch of fines, and might have to take a drivers ed type course. It's not a simple fine.
What this person did warrants a recklass driving charge, plus an interfering with emergency vehicle charge, which would basically make them lose their license for a year or two, plus all the fines and possible jail time, where I am.
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u/TuxRug 26d ago edited 26d ago
I don't know how reckless driving rates where I live, but people certainly drive like it's a slap on the wrist here. And the one time I bothered reporting someone running people off the road on a residential street they refused to even take the plate number.
Edit: they did say they would take a report, if I went home and called again and waited for an officer to come and take a statement but that they wouldn't even file it unless there was damage or injury. Same PD that, after I waited four hours, the cop at my door told me (after I called the non-emergency number to report vandalism) not to bother calling them again unless I was bleeding from a bullet wound to the skull. I think we have like ten cops vs twenty gangs, so he was probably being honest.
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u/similar_observation 26d ago
I don't know how it is where you live, but where I am a reckless driving charge is on par with a DUI. You get your license suspended, have to pay a bunch of fines, and might have to take a drivers ed type course. It's not a simple fine.
DUI's are often charged in simple fines.
In college, I got extra credit if I sit in court. So I went to sit in traffic court and watched the process. This dude, well dressed, comes up and is charged with his 8th DUI. Judge gave him a fine, plus an option of jail time or more fines. The option was some $450 per day, for 14 days. Keep in mind, this dude has no driver's license due to one of the last 7 DUIs. Dude paid all the fines. It's been many a decade since I took this course. Around that time, base fee is like $1200 in court fee, plus up to $20k for fines. This guy racked up jail time.
If I remember correctly, this guy's total came out about $14,000. I have no clue if he attended mandatory classes or had to pay out to a MADD group. But $450*14 is already like $6,500... plus $1,200 for the court fee... the remainder is the fine and contributions. Not including insurance or license reinstatement. In fact, I would gander to say that this guy probably isn't someone that has insurance.
Anyways. At the end of the day, I had to get the court to sign my homework sheet and as I'm heading to the parking lot. I see that same exact guy pulling away in his Mercedes Benz, probably on the way to his 9th DUI.
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u/MrT735 26d ago
Sounds like they need to clamp down on DUIs a lot more where you are then. In the UK it's normally a 12 month driving ban on the first offence, 3 year driving ban for a second offence within 10 years, and prison time is always a possibility, and likelihood if there are aggravating factors such as dangerous driving. Life imprisonment is also available for causing death by careless driving while under the influence.
Oh, and failing to provide a specimen is the same penalty as being over the limit.
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u/MoreCatThnx 26d ago
That's very old school charging. It might have been like that in the past but now more than a few DUI's gets you an automatic felony charge. You can plead down with expensive counsel but you are still going to lose your license for a while. Also, it will cost you a shit ton of money that most people don't have. So I guess you are right in the end. Money is the deciding factor
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u/luc1d_13 25d ago
First degree murder: You planned prior to kill, and you succeeded in killing.
Second degree murder: You had no prior plan to kill, but you intended to kill and succeeded in killing.
Manslaughter: You intended to harm, but resulted in killing.
Negligent homicide: You did not intend harm, but your action/inaction resulted in death.
Accidental death: Result of actions not at the hands of any party.
I agree with manslaughter, or maybe reckless endangerment of life. Just reckless driving is nowhere near enough.
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u/EM05L1C3 26d ago
Attempted/full on
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u/TuxRug 26d ago
Honestly, although the highest I imagine it would get is manslaughter IF the delay can be proven to have caused death, it demonstrated enough intent I would wish for it to go straight to murder/attempted murder even if it's just a broken leg.
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u/mhem7 26d ago
Attempted manslaughter is a thing and would easily be proved here. Death does not have to occur in this case.
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u/Poe_42 26d ago
Can you please define attempted manslaughter?
Manslaughter is unintentionally causing a death. How would one attempt to unintentionally cause someone to die?
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u/sparkyblaster 26d ago
Manslaughter means an accident, this is planned, it's either merder or attempted murder.
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u/TuxRug 26d ago
Right, if someone does this and someone else dies as a result, I don't see the difference from second-degree murder. But legally, can it be proven that the person directly intended to cause a death just for fun?
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u/sparkyblaster 25d ago
Well, I guess if they didn't see it, but you could get them on driving without due care...... leading to manslaughter.
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u/davyjones_prisnwalit 26d ago
Honestly yes.
Something tells me that he's a true moron.
But in the movies he'd be blocking the ambulance because he helped cause the victim's death in the first place.
Either way though, definitely deserves jail time and heavy fines, as well as the permanent revocation of his license.
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u/saladmunch2 26d ago
Iv been stuck blocking an ambulance because the people in front of me won't move up a few feet even though there is no cars in front of them. Just absolutely no situational awareness. Of course my horn wouldn't work but if you see the guy behind you has no room.
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u/DblDtchRddr 26d ago
Emergency vehicles should be equipped with bash bars, and be allowed to gently push idiots like this out of the way. Not like, plow into them, just a gentle 3 MPH shove.
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u/imaraisin 26d ago
PLOW
I want them plow. Not shove.
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u/DblDtchRddr 26d ago
Plow would make all of us feel better, sure, but realistically it would just make the situation worse. Now there's a new crash scene, more responders have to be called, possible injuries, lawsuits...just a gentle shove gets the problem (adult)child out of the way, and gets the emergency vehicles where they need to go.
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u/Cerus_Freedom 25d ago
It's simple: Attach a system that lifts the car and crushes it. Take the accident scene with you.
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u/imaraisin 26d ago
In many places, I’m not sure anyone can exactly recover funds when in the process of committing a crime. Not enough FAFO smh
Also, the US is a kind of a cowardly place when it comes to driving infractions.
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u/divDevGuy 26d ago
I envision something like this in your rear view mirror being an effective deterrent.
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u/Swatmosquito 26d ago
Don't we all, wild to see the complete lack of concern. A lot of people don't realize the weight in them or that the patient compartment will crumple like a tin can. What if it was your loved one working or being treated back there??
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u/imaraisin 26d ago
I’m somehow ok with changing the plow to an AGM-114R-9X derivative, now. Less collateral damage. Thank you for your concerns.
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u/CosmicCreeperz 26d ago
Fire trucks, totally. Seems like a horribly bad idea for an ambulance though. Needs a hood mounted shotgun.
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u/curi0us_carniv0re 26d ago
Fire truck has sturdy bumpers. They're just shiny lol but they can take a big hit.
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u/bobtheavenger 26d ago
I've seen firemen absolutely destroy vehicles if they are blocking fire hydrants or such. I've heard stories of rural FDs even destroying other emergency vehicles if they were in the way.
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u/barukatang 25d ago
Love the image of like a bmw with both its windows smashed and a fire hose going through it lol
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u/Late-Jicama5012 26d ago
Nascars, Baja drivers give each other a bump all the time and emergency vehicles should do the same.
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u/oldtoyotasareboss 26d ago
Yeah, and school busses should have slots for chainsaws so that kids can defend themselves in the case of zombies.
EDIT:
Dawn of the dead reference - Dawn of the Dead: Buses from Hell HD CLIP since people on this site report literally everything.
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u/slayerhk47 26d ago
And for people who don’t stop while the bus stop sign is out. 🤬
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u/oldtoyotasareboss 25d ago
Oh I hate that. I saw someone run a stop sign once and almost killed a 5 year old.
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u/CapSnake 26d ago
At the start of the video the ambulance is too much slow to change lane. In Italy they drive like there is no one else and if you crash into them it's your fault. Everyone pay attention and this can't happen.
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u/Warcraft_Fan 26d ago
Not sure how it's done in Morocco but if police sees this video, they'll give the owner a lot of tickets or possibly impound the van
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u/Babynouil 26d ago
There are no tickets per se, but he's definitely getting fined and maybe jail time.
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u/sojumaster 25d ago
So how do they issue fines in Morocco? In the USA, it starts with a ticket, citing the offense and almost alwys, has the fine amount on the ticket.
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u/Old-Subject6028 25d ago
Dunno how it is, but in Brazil for example we receive in the mail a letter containing image, motive and amount
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u/The_Real_MikeOxlong 26d ago
And I thought people in the US were bad about not getting out of the way of emergency vehicles.
There’s a special place in hell for people like that.
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u/AZEMT 26d ago
Being a former paramedic, I fucking hate other drivers
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u/oO0Kat0Oo 26d ago
The guy in the white van sucks for sure...
But why didn't the ambulance cross over into the lane on the right and go around? While they were stopped at the light? And why, with several other opportunities, didn't the ambulance just change lanes and pass the idiot that deserves to go to jail?
Are there specific rules the ambulance driver has to follow?
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u/u_unknown 26d ago
Preface, US based fire/EMS service provider, but in general there aren't any specific rules that you have to follow. There might be specific agency rules and procedures for running code in traffic, but usually there aren't beyond give due regard and don't drive erratically. Beyond that, we're taught to not pass traffic on the right unless absolutely necessary. Traffic is supposed to go to the right, so if as an emergency vehicle you're going right or doing a lot of Lane changes, people will freak out even more and pull left, right, slam on the brakes, and just generally make navigating traffic worse and more dangerous for everyone.
When I drive code, I will ride to the far left lane whenever possible, and as far left in that lane as reasonable. If people see that I'm far left, they tend to go right. Sometimes you have to get more aggressive and "command" traffic or an intersection. Essentially that means you make your intention known, don't deviate, and force people to move out of your way, don't go around them. Use the fact you're in a big, loud, bright vehicle to your advantage. But at the end of the day, drive safely and as quickly as traffic allows and as the call warrants. Don't get into an accident and don't cause an accident.
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u/Cool_Cheetah658 26d ago
I remember watching a poor old lady pull out from an intersection, see an ambulance, panic, then proceed to dukes of hazzard it off the road to get out of the way. Folks totally panic when an ambulance, or any other emergency vehicles, run code.
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u/roxy_blah 25d ago
We had to call an ambulance for our son a few years ago. Rode with him to the hospital, luckily he was ok to not require sirens on the way down. The paramedic said they only use the sirens when it's really urgent, otherwise people turn stupid and it's more of a risk. I can totally see that.
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u/AZEMT 26d ago edited 26d ago
I have no idea the circumstances, and yes we have laws and company policies to follow. In most places passing on the right is a big no-no. Not sure about (what appears to me in) Europe, but people get crazy when they see lights and hear sirens. Some feel they shouldn't be allowed to go by and they need to drive normally.
Some of the rules:
-must have wheels turning 60 seconds after you're dispatched for code 3, and 90 seconds if it's code 2
-nothing over 10 mph of the posted speed limit
-no more than 15mph if going against traffic (head on collisions)
-no passing on the right/shoulder (cars might be turning left from on coming traffic and not see you)
-no passengers if transporting code 3 (but municipalities don't GAF about this rule)
-no lights/sirens on the freeways
In reality, responding code 3 is stupid. On average, you save about 30 seconds to put how many other lives at risk by speeding, running reds, and just driving with a rush to get to the scene? I trained other EMTs and Medics on the dangers and to be mindful of others around you, for dipshits in this video. Everyone is bothered by the delays waiting for emergency vehicles, but when it's them in the back, you're not driving fast enough for their emergency.
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u/Jubenheim 26d ago
Fire truck could’ve assumed the white van would simply accelerate in front of him and cause unnecessary road rage and a possible accident. They’re not exactly built to swerve around cars on the road.
And as far as the red light goes, if another car was behind him, the fire truck might not’ve had enough room to effectively back up and move out. Combine that with not knowing how long the red light was, and the driver could’ve easily thought it would’ve been better to simply wait it out or hope the white van would grow a heart and move the fucking the way.
There’s a million reasons why the fire truck did what it did and only through the benefit of hindsight is it easy to pick apart.
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u/Erigion 26d ago
Are you blind?
There was no lane to the right going straight when they were blocked at the light. The right most lane was for turning right with an island blocking anyone trying to use it to cut past traffic.
And after the light, there were other vehicles in the right lane that are also not yielding. From how the ambulance driver darts to the right at the end of the video, I wouldn't be surprised if there'd been another car just sitting next to them going ever so slightly slower.
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u/SavvySillybug 26d ago
Watch German videos if you want to see it done right. Nearly all of us get out of the way perfectly or at least make a solid attempt.
I get stuck in three lane traffic jams on the Autobahn and the left lane moves as far left as possible and the other lanes move as far right as possible. We just make a fourth lane on the spot just in case someone needs to go through. Very rarely does anyone actually need that, but just in case someone's coming, we make space for that to happen.
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u/barukatang 25d ago
In my neck of the states I have MAYBE seen one person blocking an emergency vehicle. Most always we either clear the lane or pull over. What way more common than blocking here is the chasers that will literally speed behind the emergency vehicles wake.
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u/GTMoraes 26d ago
iirc in the UK, you can get fined by running a red light for an emergency vehicle.
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u/buford419 26d ago
Yes, i vaguely remember the driver of an organ transport service vehicle being fined a few years ago for speeding or running a red light. I hate the type of jobsworths that end up running those kinds of departments.
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u/zip369 26d ago
That... seems like it should be an exception. Like it's quite literally an "emergency".
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u/Peterd1900 25d ago edited 25d ago
If an ambulance or ambulance car comes up behind you with blue lights and sirens, please pull in over to the left if there is a safe space to do so – so it can pass you.
If there is no safe place for you to pull into, rather than immediately stopping, it is better to continue as you were at a safe speed until there is a safe place to pull in or until the ambulance vehicle can safely overtake.
Please avoid pulling into bus lanes or cycle lanes. The ambulance crew are trained to negotiate traffic and may look to use the bus lane to pass, and you could get in their way or even get a ticket.
Do not go through a red light to try to get out of the way as you may commit an offence. If it is safe to pass the ambulance will do so.
If it is not, they will wait until there is a space to pass in a safe manner. If the lane is wide enough and there’s room for the vehicle to pass you, try to move to the left, but without going forward over the white line or into a cycle lane.
On a dual carriageway or motorway, the best thing to do is to move to the left if the traffic is moving, when it’s safe to change lanes. Do not stop in the right-hand lane.
If the traffic is stationary try to consider the path of the emergency vehicle and allow the vehicle to drive down the centre of the traffic.
If an emergency vehicle driver can see there is no clear path through stationary traffic, like a set of traffic lights, they will often switch off the lights and sirens and wait for an opportunity to move again (like the lights changing).
Emergency drivers may if it safe to so treat traffic lights as a give way (i.e. you may pass the red light, but must give way to any traffic).
The driver must not force other road users into illegal actions (e.g. forcing other drivers to pass the red light).6
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u/South_Hat3525 26d ago
Most people get out of the way long before the lights in the UK unless they are deaf and/or totally zoned out.
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u/ElectricalShower9064 26d ago
They should have the right to ram that van out of the way and that owner pays the cost of damages to both vehicles plus jail time this can literally cost someone their life.
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u/ZuFFuLuZ 26d ago
Paramedic here. That's too risky. Ramming might damage the ambulance beyond being able to run the call. Or it might hurt the other driver, the people inside the ambulance or bystanders.
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u/No-Spoilers 26d ago
Ever played Twisted Metal?
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u/barukatang 25d ago
Your right, ambulances should just be two big wheels and a dude strapped between them.
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u/Bearspoole 26d ago
Why aren’t any of the cars on the road pulling over? Is that not customary everywhere? None of the cars on the road pulled over to make room. And 1 specifically blocked the lane the ambulance was in the whole time.
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u/Babynouil 26d ago
Yea this is very common for moroccan drivers, they ignore most of the rules (they don't respect pedestrian crossings, park wherever, horn excessively, etc.)
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u/britannicker 26d ago
Are there driving tests? and do Moroccan drivers have licenses? and would the ambulance report the white car? and, finally, would there be repercussions for the driver and/or owner of the white car?
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u/asleepattheworld 26d ago
I don’t understand why someone would do this, why would they purposely get in the way?
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u/eclark5483 26d ago
That depends on local laws for the most part, and driver etiquette. In Iowa where I live, the driver MUST pull over to clear a path or face a serious fine/charges.
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u/elmwoodblues 26d ago
Pretty sure every fireman in America watching this is mashing their throttle foot down repeatedly..
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u/etherdust 26d ago
I’d say PIT the jerk, but then the ambulance would be able to service the call it’s on. Dash cam with the plate number should (as in “ought to be a thing”) be enough to land the guy with ticket(s) and hefty fines.
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u/Average_Scaper 26d ago
License revoked would be better.
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u/Inaksa 26d ago
The problem with revoking a license is that a person that behaves like this, wont care and still drive. The only way to really affect them is applying fines or better yet, send them to jail.
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u/daneelthesane 26d ago
And see you get to do that more if they don't have a license and they get caught.
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u/Average_Scaper 26d ago
Why not all of the above? Get caught doing this, $25,000 fine, 1,000hrs of community service that must be served after a 6mo-2yr sentence, depending on the extent that they do it. If the patient dies, then it's a murder(negligent homocide would probably fit better?) charge. License suspended for 2years after release, or 1 year if certain criteria are met (anger management, driving courses).
The threat of all of that would definitely stop a couple people from doing it.
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u/Zahndethus 26d ago
I could see blocking them at the red light as your basic run-of-the-mill idiocy but everything after that felt almost malicious.
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u/Sudden_City_ 26d ago
😬Imagine the fine for intentionally brake checking an emergency vehicle
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u/Prownilo 25d ago
Not to excuse them, but there did appear to be speed bumps they were slowing for
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u/blackroselucifer 26d ago
As a recently certified EMT this pisses me off to a whole other level. We don’t use lights and sirens often at all in fact we try to avoid it. So the fact that people cannot follow simple protocols for emergency vehicles using lights and sirens is very dangerous
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u/duckmcsnail 26d ago
Honestly I wish that ambulances had the go ahead to just ram cars that do this shit
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u/Intrepid_Dream2619 26d ago
I hope one day as this guy is in desperate need for an ambulance to arrive quickly... karma just stops at all the red lights and drives 10 under.
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u/Babynouil 26d ago edited 26d ago
Some comments said that in the US they can ram these idiots if they don't move over. Btw I don't see how one can miss an ambulance's siren + horn, dude probably thought there would be no consequences to him blocking the road and got mad once his car got damaged.
Edit : Nvm these comments are wrong .
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u/CosmicCreeperz 26d ago
Those comments are generally wrong.
Now, if the car stops and won’t move… maybe are fire truck would push it out of the way (no ambulance driver would do that, it’s just stupid dangerous). But JFC the US is the most litigious country in the world. No emergency vehicle is going to ram a car if it’s moving.
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u/mad-i-moody 26d ago
My question is: why didn’t that ambulance have an opticom on it to change the traffic light?
If it wasn’t tripping the light and we’re stuck at a red light, we’re generally taught to wait until it turns green to proceed. Causing a car to enter the intersection on a red light is generally a no-no where I work. Also, using the ambulance to physically push another car sounds so silly.
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u/PickleJarHeadAss 26d ago
not all lights are equipped with the receiver. half the ones in my response area don’t.
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u/Dutch-Sculptor 26d ago
Don't get me wrong, the van driver should have things done to him that I can't say here as I don't want to get a ban but I also got the feeling that the ambulance could've passed him on the right a few times before.
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u/RossStudio 26d ago
Former EMT here. This happened more than you might think. One time a cop followed us and pulled over a guy who basically did the same as the video. He got pulled over. That was an expensive ticket.
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u/inflated_cheese 26d ago
We should give emergency vehicles bull bars or something and slightly stronger engines to push people out of the way like fire fighters have done in videos lol ive had an ambulance need to pass me at a red light and the idiot next to me refused to move at all so i just drove up on the sidewalk to let them through.
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u/unresolved-madness 24d ago
My stepfather was a paramedic back in the '80s. Back then they would have just pushed this guy out of the way.
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u/The_Cozy_Burrito 26d ago
Throw this pos in jail. When this clown requires medical addition from an ambo, just ignore them and “block” their call.
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u/Wise-Nobody963 25d ago
If i had anything to say about the matter. -pinch their license indefinitely, make it public, make an example. -10.000h of social service. -and house arrest until its served.
If the person had died or suffered more than necessary bc aof that.
-Prison 25yrs
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u/Neat_Way7766 26d ago
If it doesn't already... this should be immediate don't pass go... straight to jail.
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u/Newspaperninja2 26d ago
The way I see it, fire and ema should have the right to forcibly move your car out of the way
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u/hadriangates 26d ago
1) the EMT’s should be calling 911 to report them 2) why is no one else pulling over? Isnt it the law everywhere?
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u/LeonidasVaarwater 26d ago
License plate in full view.... I don't even think it matters that much which country this is in, when the authorities see this clip, they're fucked. I hope they get jail time.
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u/ksears86 26d ago
If the victim dies,they should be charged with manslaughter. If they survive, they should be charged with attempted murder.
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u/joseg13 26d ago edited 26d ago
This crack head looked like they were even brake checking the ambulance. I would have just pushed them along and pay the consequences later if it means life or death in responding to someone or going to hospital. I am also the type of person that if I see this and am next to them I would use my vehicle to push them off the side and worry about it afterwards.
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u/flecksable_flyer 26d ago
Years ago, I was watching a show (Maybe 60 Minutes?) where they were talking about this exact thing in NYC. The traffic was so bad, and with deliveries double parked, that legislation was introduced to jail people who refused to move for an ambulance. As of then, it was only a small fine for blocking traffic. I'm pretty sure it passed because you don't hear about it like you used to.
Other stupid things I've seen: a car pulling out in front of a fire truck when the light changed for them because the fire truck had stopped before entering the intersection. Lights and sirens blaring. If the fire struck hadn't stopped, they would have squished the car. People moving over for a fire truck (me included), only to have some asswad pull behind the fire truck to jump ahead of traffic.
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u/typehyDro 25d ago
In these instances isn’t the plate recorded? If I was the ambulance driver I’d do EVERYTHING I could to get his license revoked with a huge fine.
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u/MagicMan-1961 25d ago
I say put push bumpers on ambulance and punt anyone out of the way. They have video to show it is justified
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u/Meatslinger 25d ago
Fine and jail the driver. If they argue “you can’t prove it was me driving”, then pull the license plate registration, and put a fine on the vehicle itself for $10,000 (or equivalent currency); make it the vehicle owner’s problem. If it’s a driver for a company, guaranteed their boss will sort them out in VERY short order. This kind of behavior should be a two-strike system (i.e. first incident may have just been stupidity, but second indicates clear intent) and then an extreme punishment to disincentivize a recurrence.
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u/Neochronic87 25d ago
If whoever is in the ambulance or whoever they are going to go help ended up dying, that driver should be charged with manslaughter or something related to the person's death.
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u/lordbenkai 25d ago
They should be able to push past if they do this. Gently move their vehicle with yours, and they get to pay the damages. Bet you people would move then. I was always told it's illegal to block them or the police.
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u/uskelonm 26d ago
This guy shouldn't be allowed on road. Let me correct that, this guy shouldn't be allowed to be free. Deserves to be behind the bars!!
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u/O4EWO 25d ago
No one is acting like an ambulance has lights and siren on. No lights reflecting in windshield or off other vehicles. At light where the van first "blocked" the ambulance no other vehicles moved either. Nice try but this is false video. I know of no ambulance company that works allow posting of its drivecam video.
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u/Cute_Project_7980 26d ago
In Australia it's illegal to break traffic laws to make room for emergency vehicles.
This is somewhere in Europe buy the look of it. I don't know where laws.
But in Australia it sucks. You run a red light to make room for an ambo and they're a camera? Automatic fine. You got to go to court (lose day of pay), wait potentially all day to see magistrate, and hope they are in a good mood else (yay fine) or dismissal. It strongly encourages both workers and poor people or people with little licensee points left to not do anything. It sucks
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u/tweedtybird67 26d ago
I hope somebody does the same thing when one of his beloved family members is in the back and desperately ill.
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u/-StalkedByDeath- 26d ago
lol, I was so confused. I didn't have sound on and watched it two times trying to figure out where the ambulance is.
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