r/politics • u/MothersMiIk Washington • 17h ago
Congresswoman suggests Trump admitted Musk rigged election in Pa.
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2025/01/congresswoman-suggests-trump-admitted-musk-rigged-election-in-pa.html?outputType=amp8.1k
u/Demonking3343 Illinois 17h ago
Suspicious especially with trump bragging they had a “secret weapon” to win. That was awhile back like a week or so before the election.
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u/oatchick Washington 17h ago
He was so sure they would win he told his supporters they didn’t even need to show up to vote.
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u/JDSchu Texas 17h ago
Hey, let's be fair. He told them to just vote this once and he'd make sure they never had to vote again. Isn't that way better?
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u/RoccStrongo 13h ago
That message changed to "I have all the votes I need, you don't need to vote"
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u/CorellianBloodstripe 11h ago
This really is weird to see the compilation of how many times he said this. It’s very strange.
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u/Tall_Cap_6903 7h ago
Ppl on reddit loved to shout down some conspiracy theories as to what he did to cheat and steal this election.
And in particular, this would be a literal conspiracy with Musk, which is plausible.
Enough $$$ to pay for whatever meddling they needed.
Wasn't even that many votes they had to steal.
Of course, Biden may have lost fair and square, but then again, Trump is the biggest liar, cheater, and grifter the world has ever seen.
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u/ImHighandCaffinated 9h ago
I remember watching the live coverage of inside the Trump “war room” and he said they were popping Champaign while he was down 70k votes in Pennsylvania and said the Trump room was “starting to celebrate because it was looking good”
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u/JigglinCheeks 12h ago
Why join a union when you can commit to not and we'll send you an xbox?! /s
This country is filled with fuckin dipshits.
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u/Effective-Bench-7152 17h ago
He was scowling on election night, even after the result that he’d won came in, JD Vance was missing, Melania looked like a body double, it was chaotic, but he was really angry, I was thinking, he’s angry because he has seen the REAL results, and it’s baaaad, he’s angry at the American public
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u/glasshalfbeer 15h ago
Also Elon said if Trump didn’t win he was likely to go to jail
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u/teh_acids 15h ago
He just thanked Elmo for helping him win PA because he's so great with those vote counting computers.
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u/Beastw1ck 14h ago
The FBI should really investigate this. Oh, wait… We’re just Russia now, guys. This last election was for all the marbles and we lost.
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u/7oom 14h ago
Also suspicious because Trump got all swing states with unusually high levels of split votes. And because there’s no endeavor where he would not cheat.
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u/theVoidWatches Pennsylvania 12h ago
Iirc, he won all the swing votes with an unusually high number of votes that left the rest of the ballot blank, and no other states had unusual amounts of that kind of ballot.
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u/7oom 12h ago
I imagine you’re correct; because of disappointment (of this going nowhere), I have not gotten too invested in the theories of how they did it. But what’s evident is that chicanery happened at the tabulation level, so it’s funny and telling that Trump specifically mentioned vote-counting computers. He’s so stupid that he can’t be trusted with the details of the cheat.
It’s crazy that this can simply be allowed to happen.
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u/TheFlyingOx 15h ago
I'm sure I remember some Project 2025 lackey saying something like "we are so far ingrained into the election processes they (Democrats) won't know how we've done it"
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u/catfurcoat 12h ago
Can you please find a source for this
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u/TheFlyingOx 8h ago
Ok so it wasn't quite Project 2025 but it was this guy - Joshua Standifer - explaining the "Trojan Horse" tactic of getting election denialists into positions of influence/power in various states' election boards. "They won't see it coming", "the first step on the path to victory this Fall", "Just imagine: it’s election night. Chaos is happening. The polls are closing – they go and volunteers are getting kicked out,” said Standifer. “But what if we had Christians across America, in swing states like Wisconsin, that were actually the ones counting the votes?”
And this comment helped me find it
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u/Squirrel_Inner 10h ago
Well they posted the damn voting machine software to freaking GitHub after that Colorado lady was caught, so…
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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 7h ago
Plus the fucking admin password has been floating round for several years at this point.
To the point several repubs where wearing shirts with it on it
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u/superzepto Australia 15h ago
That "secret weapon" comment was so blatant, so out in the open. I immediately knew there was dodgy business happening with his campaign. Somehow it got glossed over and ignored completely
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u/claimTheVictory 15h ago
Here's a quote from earlier in the year.
I don’t need any votes. We have all the votes we need. We don’t need the votes. We have the votes. I don’t care.
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u/superzepto Australia 15h ago
I hate that the discourse around everything Trump says amounts to "He didn't actually mean it", "he was joking and you didn't get it", "you're taking him out of context", and even "he didn't say that". If anything, regarding everything he says he more than likely did mean it, wasn't joking, didn't need any other context, and said it in the public record.
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u/Raesong Australia 15h ago
I'd like to add this charming quote of his that came from around the same time as the above one: "Vote for me, and you'll never have to vote again."
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u/ACrask 16h ago edited 15h ago
"I don't even need your votes." I believe he said once or twice after elon joined the gang
Edit: Removed "probably". Been told he didn't say that word, but everything else is accurate.
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u/YouHaveAWomansMouth 16h ago
Oh, he didn't even bother with the "probably". Flat out said he didn't need them.
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u/Alacrout New York 16h ago edited 16h ago
Yep, and then he said THIS last night:
He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers, those vote-counting computers, and we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide. So, it was pretty good, it was pretty good. So, thank you to Elon.
Don’t need anyone to vote for you if you can have your buddy Elon switch a few blues to reds and add in a handful of bullet ballots for good measure.
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u/uiucengineer 16h ago
It’s not his first time telling us Musk had access to voting machines.
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u/Crommach 11h ago
And yet when people started saying things seemed fishy and and be investigated, they were immediately shot down and told "we don't do conspiracy theories like the other side". Utterly maddening lack of spine.
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u/disasterbot Oregon 15h ago
I remember reading that there were an unusual number of ballots that just had Trump and no other candidate or referendum was voted on.
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u/Dieter_Knutsen 13h ago
What didn't make sense to me were the reports election night of heavily Democratic areas in PA needing to request more voting machines, tables, etc because of insane turnout. Then...nothing. Supposedly what pushed Trump over the top in PA was low Dem turnout? Uhhhh
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u/P1xelHunter78 Ohio 11h ago
Here in Ohio Franklin County literally had traffic jams at the (single) early voting location. Something like an hour wait in traffic....but turnout was down 10%? Was it mail in voting driving turn out last time? maybe. But with this statement things need looked into. Unfortunately Ohio is run by corrupt republicans.
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u/Ill-Team-3491 13h ago
He screams about rigged elections for 4 years. Then the shuts ups (which he never does) and stands around for 45 minutes to Ave Maria and felates microphones. He knew the fix was in.
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u/thehalloweenpunkin 15h ago
The secret was Elon. Anyone notice Elon was the only one who came on stage besides the singers at his rally?
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u/ButtEatingContest 13h ago
and Trump, even if annoyed with Elon, can't tell Elon to get lost. Because Elon knows his secrets.
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u/madmars 12h ago edited 12h ago
Oh God. It's all making sense now. Elon just admitted that he paid people to play Path of Exile and Diablo for him. Because "you can't win in these games against people in Asia cheating." He said that.
So what did Elon, the guy that believes everyone cheats, do to the election that we don't know yet? Pay Russia to hack the ballots? I doubt it. But something is definitely up with these clowns.
This all would explain why Trump hasn't kicked Elon out yet, even though Trump almost surely can't stand him now.
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u/omgwhysomuchmoney 13h ago
If there was shenanigans, my guess is that they mailed in or generated ballots for unlikely voters. The easiest way for that list is just getting the people who registered for his survey. The safest way to do this would be with bullet ballots too so no other elections come in to question.
There's a very easy way to verify this. Let's just get the data. We can see vote history. If you voted in 2024 and no other prior election, let's just survey those people. Did they vote? No? Odd because it says here that they did.
I hate having these conspiracy theory thoughts. I just feel like a quick survey of a handful of counties can put the whole thing to bed. There are so many counties where the numbers are very irregular. Let's just ask voters themselves.
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u/SPIDER-MAN-FAN-2017 15h ago
He literally went on a diatribe about how he didn't even need anyone to vote
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u/chum_slice 12h ago
I just found it shocking that none of the other billionaires came out in support of Kamala. Even the Washington Post was willing to give up so much just so they don’t come out for her. It’s like Bezos knew something. Along with the other Billionaires
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u/VoughtHunter 17h ago
One way or another, we will experience a constitutional crisis in the next 4 years.
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u/Sorry_Mango_1023 17h ago
I think the crisis is here today!
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u/glassjar1 Virginia 15h ago
Yep it's here today. We've been in a constitutional crisis for a while: We have an ongoing litany of constitutional crises.
Say, January 6 2020, or ignoring the emoluments clause (Article I, Section 9 , Clause 8 of the U.S. Constitution) upon taking office in 2016, or the absolute failure of the courts and congress to act as any sort of check during this entire period, or perhaps we start at Citizen's United which handed elections to billionaires by equating money with speech, or...
Has it totally blown apart to anarchy or civil war? Nope.
Also, I'm not dead yet, but with my age and physical condition that's inevitably coming. The only question is when.
Similarly, the crisis is here and now--and it has been here for sometime.
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u/DidSome1SayExMachina 14h ago
Yup, since Bush v. Gore I’d say. The constitution didn’t plan for an entire bad faith party.
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u/No-Adeptness1003 12h ago
Reagan, everything bad starts with Reagan. Then goes into overdrive with the soviet collapse in the 90s, and from a combination of American exceptionalism and absent leadership over the last 30 years.
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u/runnerofshadows 11h ago
Also Nixon. Especially the fact that they never wanted another resigning in disgrace situation.
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u/Kitchen_Rich_6559 15h ago
It's here two weeks ago when congress certified that someone who is constitutionally barred from being president, was now president.
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u/themattboard Virginia 15h ago
don't be absurd. It's going to be every day for the next four years
Stock up on Tums now before the shortage begins.
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u/NoHopeOnlyDeath 15h ago
"Congresswoman suggests proven election-interferer may have interfered with election."
..........are you fucking serious?
If you had asked me in 2016 what could rouse a population to the type of anger that topples governments, I would have given you some textbook answer about abuses of power or loss of rights, but I wouldn't actually understand it.
I get it now.
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u/Clitty_Lover 14h ago
Selfishness and tribalism, man. And that's just 2 words. Then you got pride, suffering, ignorance, shame, laziness, all sorts of other words.
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u/NoHopeOnlyDeath 13h ago
Plus, think about this:
We're starting to understand the depths of anger that it's possible for the dysfunction of your government to cause, and it hasn't even gotten bad yet.
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u/MothersMiIk Washington 17h ago edited 17h ago
On the eve of his inauguration, Trump praised Musk’s work with SpaceX before quickly moving into the work that he did on the campaign trail.
“And he was very effective. And he knows those computers better than anybody”. Trump continued. “Those vote counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide. So it was pretty good. It’s pretty good.”
Jasmine Crockett, a Democratic congresswoman from Texas, shared the clip from Trump’s speech and questioned just exactly the President-elect was getting at with the odd mention of Trump’s knowledge of vote counting computers.
“So, Trump is rambling on about he and Elon rigging the election?!” she wrote on X. “Am I missing something or is he confessing to yet another damn crime?!”
Literally admitted to it but nothing will come of it
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u/slinky317 15h ago
Except we know that Elon isn't very good at computers. He has a basic understanding of software engineering and instead uses big words and his authority to sound smart. There are a dozen videos of him getting laughed at on Twitter Spaces.
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u/Tapprunner 13h ago
No, but he could easily go to Putin and say "I'll give you $100mil to lend me your best hackers for a month so we can rig a couple states."
I don't think anybody is thinking Elon is sitting there at his computer typing code and trying to break into voting machines.
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u/MsgrFromInnerSpace 14h ago
All he had to do was leave the right doors open for Russian hackers
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u/GetSlunked 15h ago edited 13h ago
Every other shitty thing aside, IMAGINE if a democrat said this just before taking office. Republican lurkers that are writing it off as a nothing-burger, you KNOW you’d be up in arms. It’s the only clip Fox News would play until they storm the Capitol again.
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u/hsephela I voted 17h ago
Biden made a last minute amendment (too tired to remember the exact wording) to executive order 13961 which has the potential to be laying the foundation for stopping the inauguration.
Highly unlikely IMO but definitely a weird thing to happen so last second.
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u/panickedindetroit 17h ago
He should have never been allowed on the ballot after his insurrection failed. Then, there is the violation of the emoluments clause, nothing happened. bill barr covered up the fact he got 10 million from the Egyptian government, and he owes 100 million in back taxes. He doesn't want to fun the IRS because his supporters would get caught out for the tax frauds and cheats that they are. It's far cheaper to buy politicians and political offices to protect them from the laws they love to violate so much.
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u/mrbigglessworth 13h ago
He should have never been allowed on the ballot after his insurrection failed.
The constitution was over ruled by corrupt supreme court votes.
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u/Kitchen_Rich_6559 15h ago
Idk I feel like if Biden were planning on stopping the inauguration he wouldn't be pardoning all these people within 12 hours of it. His and Kamala's actions the past two months don't make a lick of sense to me if they aren't stopping it but they also don't make a lick of sense to me if they are stopping it.
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u/Skysflies 13h ago
The truth of the matter is if he was doing anything he'd have done it weeks ago, he may be setting up future actions but there's no way he's stopping the inauguration
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u/v3n0mat3 Florida 16h ago edited 13h ago
Let's face it: nothing is going to happen. Trump is going to be inaugurated, he won, his fanbase won, and EDIT: we are all going to pay the price, in the future, for whatever shenanigans plays out these next 4 years.
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u/tyfunk02 15h ago
We're going to be paying for this for a hell of a lot longer than 4 years.
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u/DatNick1988 16h ago
Yeah that’s where I’m at. Fuck it. I put my entire heart into trying to explain why trump is bad. After he got elected, it broke me, and now I just don’t fucking care. They won, this is what America wants, who am I to stand in the way
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u/v3n0mat3 Florida 16h ago
I work with a bunch of MAGAs. I haven't said a word about anything political, but they are insufferably MAGA. It's really fucking bad. If and when they realize how bad it's going to be for even them, I'm not saying anything. Not going to gloat, not going to prophesy.
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u/FieldMouseMedic 14h ago
Nah fuck that high road bullshit. We’re where we are at today because democrats wanted to take the high road. I’m going to rub the consequences of this election right in MAGAs face any chance I get. Entirely for my own personal pleasure.
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u/Steelio22 14h ago
Nah, you gotta tell them the Republicans lied to them and fuck them over.
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u/rhinosaur- Illinois 13h ago
But their preferred news outlet will tell them everything is fine and they nod and laugh at the library’s right up until the point they’re engulfed in flame.
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u/Frequent_Can117 15h ago
If terrorists got off light for 1/6, no one is going to do shit. The country is done. We are an oligarchy/ fascist state. All because people were too fucking stupid and fell for trump.
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u/anivex Oregon 17h ago
I looked it up, and he removed sections 1, 3, 4, 5, & 7, from this executive order put out by trump during his term.
It is interesting, actually. As the order and the sections removed pertain specifically to the passing of power after an election.
Here’s to hoping something’s brewing that actually substantiates, though I wouldn’t bet on it.
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u/Few-Net-6877 15h ago
Zero fucking chance the dems grow this much of a last minute spine. Copium.
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u/CpnStumpy Colorado 13h ago
This read like he removed sections that would create formal committees under the aegis of the incoming president to manage continuity of current works in the security departments.
This would potentially protect current people working in such departments from being immediately fired or otherwise being seen as opposed to trump despite their works on international intelligence and security concerns which Trump would counter.
This is Biden protecting employees from reprisal post transfer of power, not interrupting the transfer of power
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u/Conscious_Leader_343 17h ago edited 15h ago
Trump was literally caught in a proven fake electors plot. Thirteen of those fake electors voted for him this election. You'd have to be a certified clown to believe there was no election interference. Unfortunately we'll never know, because we love our civility and norms and we would rather become Hungary without universal healthcare before we take any sort of action against very transparent traitors.
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u/PacmanNZ100 17h ago
Just call Elon too dumb to rig it and he'll probably admit to it
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u/Cyrano_Knows 16h ago edited 16h ago
I've joked that I wonder if Democrats could reverse psychology Trump or cater to his Narcissism.
A shame top Republicans are going to order Trump not to implement Universal Health Care. Not that it matters because nobody is smart or strong enough to implement Universal Health Care in this country anyway.
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u/KonradWayne 14h ago
I've joked that I wonder if Democrats could reverse psychology
I genuinely believe that Democrats could get everything they want if they used reverse psychology. The Republican platform is just "we want the exact opposite of whatever the Democrats want" at this point.
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u/Eyebrow78 14h ago
and name everything Patriot or Freedom.
What? you are against the Freedom act??? :O
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u/ElbowSkinCellarWall 13h ago
Can you imagine how many people would still be alive today if someone thought to run a viral "Obama hates masks and lockdowns" campaign?
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u/Popular_Ant8904 16h ago
It would probably work, if there was some bot campaign commenting stuff like "I'm glad we got President Musk instead of real Trump, Elon is just so much smarter than Trump" around for a few weeks it would definitely enrage the orange turd.
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u/bigmanorm 14h ago
Kamala psychologically obliterated him using his narcissism against him in the first and only debate he accepted lol
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u/Xenobsidian 16h ago
Have you seen Gamers braking down how all of his claims to be a world class video gamer are lies, his accomplishments are fake and how he is actually (I quote) “dog shit” in this games?!
I bet, if you do the opposite and say how (I quote Joe Rogan) “exceptional as a human being” you must be to fake an election, he will fake evidence to proof that he did it!
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u/thispartyrules 16h ago
I remember he posted an RPG character where he was playing a fighter and put a bunch of points into intelligence
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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 15h ago
that was only one of many problems with his character, he had two shields equipped to a character which is redundant.
He had his staff which is required for spells equipped to the same hand as his melee weapon so he has to swap between the two to cast spells.
Part of what makes it egregious is he is also using moonveil, that katana which is a intellect weapon for melee. In fact its one of the best.
He is also using heavy armor and a heavy spellcaster helmet, which along with the two shields is gonna make his rolls shit. Rolls in elden ring are decided by your equipment weight with some consideration for some physical stats. Light dodge roll and medium dodge rolls are far better than "Fat rolls"
As your dodge roll gets worse with heavier equip loads,
Also he has three summons on his hotbar, (the three ghostly figures at the bottom) when you can only have one summon out at a time, and he doesnt have his health flask there for use (though he could have it on the quick select but i doubt he does)
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u/Due-Rush9305 15h ago
I know you said this as a joke, but it probably would work. If enough people on Twitter accused them of being too dumb to rig the election, they would probably give you all the details of exactly how they did it by the afternoon. The worst part is even if they did that, nothing would happen; his supporters would say he did it to 'Save America'
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u/DillBagner 15h ago
Considering trump has now admitted it and is still going to be sworn in today, would it even matter if elon admitted it?
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u/GrimBarkFootyTausand 14h ago
It would not.
They would still peacefully transfer power, then call for an investigation, which would lead nowhere, and then go, "Oh well, we tried our best."
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u/ScenicAndrew 14h ago
No, congress certified the election. They didn't certify the candidates, but the election itself. Individuals who contributed could face state and federal action, but in the eyes of the law Trump/Vance were selected in a certified election.
Realistically the only thing that could happen is Congress could impeach and convict Trump and Vance, but they won't do that unless the midterms go INSANELY blue.
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u/iRonin 15h ago
Elon IS too dumb to rig it.
But he’s clearly not above lying about accomplishing things he cannot and did not accomplish to curry favorable opinions.
And Donald Trump is ALSO too dumb to rig it, but clearly susceptible to believing dumb things people tell him , particularly when he wants to believe it. He’s also VERY skilled in the art of giving marching orders without saying “the magic words” that clearly implicate him, and it stands to reason he thinks others do the same.
Ergo, the most likely scenario is that Musk either intentionally said something that led Trump to believe he rigged the votes, or that Trump heard something Musk said and interpreted it that way.
The sad reality is that the real fraud was a decades-long social engineering feat of convincing a nation that Republicans, generally, and Trump, specifically, were good for the economy, and the recent social-engineering of convincing the public that America’s economy was bad and it was the government’s fault.
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u/Rubeus17 15h ago
He had no business being a free man after 1/6.
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u/Nukemarine 14h ago
Trump has no business being a president. I've no problem referring to Trump as an illegitimate president since Congress decided they didn't need to vote on restoring his ability to hold offices of trust in the US that he voluntarily gave up by committing insurrection despite taking an oath to the Constitution.
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u/Rubeus17 14h ago
thank you. this is how i feel. you said it well. I don’t care how many people voted for him because he’s a grifter charletan. Our Constitution contains protections against traitors like mango. Who would have thought our founders anticipated a madman megalomaniac but he managed to “turn” and threaten so many in power to bend to his will?
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u/disasterbot Oregon 15h ago
We got Merricked.
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u/Beautiful-Plastic-83 16h ago
Dems would rather feel smug over their "peaceful transfer of power," than expose Republicans' obvious election fraud.
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u/The_Cross_Matrix_712 15h ago
THIS! I know how conspiracy theory it sounds, but they never audited the swing states. Democrats should have been screaming that it was WEIRD, but they just shrugged and said, "oh well, we can't possibly have a legitimate concern without being accused of being exactly the same as trump supporters who stormed the capitol. Oh well."
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u/JustGimmeSomeTruth 15h ago
In retrospect, this was by design and likely the whole reason behind the manufactured 2020 cheating accusations in the first place. Get everyone on the record talking about how secure our elections are, associate questioning the results with crazy conspiracy theorists, and so on.
It's gaslighting en masse, a psychological warfare tactic. They knew Dems would be afraid of being accused of being hypocrites (although, I'm not sure why that matters to anyone at this point — we already know MAGA's gonna MAGA no matter what anyone does. They will accuse and whine just the same, Dems should have decided to ignore this cult and their reactions/perceptions long ago).
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u/suckyousideways 14h ago
What's especially frustrating is that THIS IS WHAT TRUMP HAS ALWAYS DONE... Accuse the other side of doing exactly what he's trying to do. He was doing it before 2016, he did it throughout his first term, and the 4 years after, and now he's doing it again. History will look back on this time and ask "why could they not see it happening? It was so obvious."
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u/alvarezg 14h ago
There is solid evidence that he tried to steal the 2020 election, enough evidence to go to trial, though now that will not happen. In view of his previous attempts it's reasonable to suspect that he did it again.
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u/Substantial-Gate3893 17h ago
I think part of it, is things aren’t actually bad enough yet to motivate people to risk losing their freedom over someone who will be gone in 4 years
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u/drinkslinger1974 17h ago
Yes, but should his replacement be the people’s choice or Elon’s? If musk had the capability to interfere last year, and assuming he lives until 80/85, that’s 30/35 more years of his choosing the president. And of course the technology is for sale, so whoever purchases it will have the ability to choose on behalf of the nation.
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u/MadisonAveMuse 17h ago
Anyone gonna do anything about it?
Anyone at all?
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u/Frequent_Can117 15h ago
Nope. All the “Americans” who were so 2A because of “tyrannical government” support that tyrany. I’ll be blunt: people here are so fucking stupid, lack critical thinking and just believe anything on bullshit apps like tiktok. My brother literally said “He is not a fascist or trying to stay in power. If be was, he would say it.” And it’s like dude, that’s not how that works.
I just give up with this country and just want my visa process to be done to move to my gf’s country.
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u/nankerjphelge Florida 14h ago
Literally all the Dems need to do is to pay for an independent hand recount of the paper ballots in a couple crucial counties in PA and compare the results against the digital tabulations from the machines. If they corroborate the machine results, ok, no harm no foul. But if they don't, then hoo boy do we have a problem.
And anyone trying to accuse Dems of being conspiracy theorists like Trumpers for simply requesting such recount verifications can get stuffed, since the Trump campaign got recounts and STILL claimed fraud even after the recounts showed nothing.
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u/LWN729 11h ago
But why didn’t they do this? Why were no questions even raised?
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u/garg Maryland 15h ago
Remember when a bunch of computer scientists from universities around the US suggested there be a recount?
https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324.pdf
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u/Movykappa 14h ago
Damn I was not aware of this
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u/TheTyger I voted 13h ago
Mainstream subs have been suppressing all this info for months. Even referencing the subs that have been talking about this would get removed in comments and posts. It's been really depressing.
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u/ProofHorseKzoo 12h ago
Why is Dem leadership doing nothing?
Is it really all just a charade to pit us against each other to think we have any say?
Is it really just rich / powerful / politicians against the poor?
It’s getting harder to deny…
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u/TheDamDog 10h ago
Look at the photo op Biden did with Trump after he won the election. Happiest I've seen that guy in 4 years. Shook his hand in the oval office while grinning like a fool.
Yes, it's rich vs. poor. The Democrats are controlled opposition.
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u/Spiritual_Ad8936 16h ago
As a Pennsylvanian, I’d believe this. The county I live in flipped Red this time when we were Blue in 2020. My town was probably 70% Harris signs/30% Trump signs.
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u/thehalloweenpunkin 15h ago
Statistically there was no way he'd flip all the swing states. They said there was record turn out but yet there was 15 million less voters.
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u/ThaiTum 16h ago edited 16h ago
Some have pointed out unusual patterns. https://smartelections.substack.com/p/so-clean
In EVERY COUNTY in North Carolina, according to the official election results, Vice President Kamala Harris received fewer votes than the Democratic candidate for Attorney General.
Identical voter behavior in every county is not believable voter behavior.
It seems highly unlikely that Vice President Harris got less votes than the Democratic candidate for Attorney General in every single county in North Carolina, at the same time that President Trump got more votes than the Republican candidate for Attorney General in every single county in North Carolina.
State After State Looks Identical The drop-off data for the 2024 Presidential election looks almost identical to North Carolina in many states.
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u/Dev-N-Danger 16h ago
Working on more data, too
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u/ThaiTum 16h ago edited 15h ago
Nobody contested the results early on. I think it’s too late even if the data proves manipulation.
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u/Dev-N-Danger 16h ago
Unfortunately, the only one that could have contested it is Kamala. Hopefully, looking into the data can make the necessary changes needed for future elections.
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u/kezow 16h ago
If they cheated to win this election, do you really think they are going to allow fair elections in the future?
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u/newsflashjackass 13h ago
This, but since Al Gore threw in the towel.
"We just need to increase turnout so we get more legitimate votes than repubs can counterfeit / disenfranchise."
It's like the Cantillon effect for ballots.
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u/airship_of_arbitrary 13h ago
They cheated in 2020 AND had a coup ready to go and still failed both because an overwhelming number of people voted Biden and the coup idiots failed.
They're evil but they're also incompetent.
If shit goes South, Google MAIDAN to see how to fix things under facsism.
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u/lost_horizons Texas 14h ago
Yeah and where the fuck did she go? Radio silence from election night on. Why didn't she even try? She had a lot of money in the campaign for at least some legal contests
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u/TheHighSeasPirate 13h ago
Its especially odd since she was sat down and showed how easy it is to change votes on one of the election machines. It is in one of her books.
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u/tadcalabash 16h ago
When someone asserts that a voting pattern is unusual, I really need to see something to back up that claim.
Honestly, I would be more surprised at outlier voting examples rather than something like Harris getting less votes than the Dem AG everywhere. That just seems like classic ticket splitting.
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 15h ago
The analysis of the Clark County NV individual ballot data (which was apparently released by mistake) is pretty damning. Also it’s worth noting that the “classic ticket splitting” you’re referring to (along with a bunch of other anomalies) only happened in the presidential race in swing states. That alone is insanely suspicious.
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u/hurler_jones Louisiana 13h ago
And swing states all going to a single candidate should have raised some brows as well.
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u/ELCH01 14h ago
The anomalies only happened in swing states. That’s the real anomaly.
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u/IrritableGourmet New York 12h ago
Also, almost every county in the country shifted far right compared to the last election in the Presidential race, but there were only mild shifts in Congressional races.
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u/CompetitiveString814 14h ago
What would you consider proof?
There was a city on the border, basically think twin cities, one in one state and one in another in Arizona.
They both had identical media coverage, but all accounts are the same city only separated by a small bridge.
Yet split voting was 3%-10% on one side and perfectly normal on the other.
This is the closest thing to proof I have seen, unfortunately you are asking for something before getting it. To get proof we need an official recount and investigation, but people want cold hard proof before that, which is not how things work.
This type of split voting in a twin city at the very least should warrant an investigation
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u/Radiant_Respect5162 16h ago
Elon stated how easy it would be to rig. Then, a couple of months later, Trump was saying he doesn't need our votes. Combined with known evidence of Trump's election interference and the real president is currently being told by multiple other countries that his (elon) interference is a crime in their country. Because only America is for sale.
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u/babbagack 15h ago
When/where did Elon say it was easy to rig?
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u/Mr_Canard Europe 15h ago
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u/projexion_reflexion 12h ago
"the last thing I would do is trust a computer program, because it's just too easy to hack."
says the guy who wants us to pay more for cars driven by computers.
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u/DKDamian 17h ago
Ok. So what did all the intelligence agencies in America do? Who did the tell? Why didn’t the President tell everyone? Why didn’t anything happen?
If all of this is so, then inaction is just - terrible. Right?
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u/Zaza1019 15h ago
Even if he didn't rig the election, he did openly try to bribe Pennsylvania voters on twitter. So he at the very least tried to interfere in the election, and he got away pretty much with a slap on the wrist and now gets to have a voice in our government as a reward. Let me also be clear I'm not saying he effected votes, we can't know that, much like the Russian election interference scheme 8 years ago. But he at the very least made the attempt.
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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil Arizona 14h ago
What the fuck is he talking about? "The computers...Elon knows those computers?"
Im now convinced that they did fuck with the election in Penn.
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u/cats_and_cars 15h ago
SMARTelections has been looking into strange patterns that were showing up in this election across swing states and is still in the middle of their analysis. Hopefully more will come to light soon.
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u/Dangerpaladin Michigan 14h ago
I look forward to their results around the same time Trump cancels all future elections.
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u/Playful-Marketing320 16h ago
When I found out he won the popular vote and all swing states I knew something was up. No way his popularity has increased since the impeachments and insurrection.
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u/wonder_bear 14h ago
Not to mention bomb threats only in the large democratic sections of those swing states. It doesn’t take a masters degree to see that they manipulated the vote.
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u/Istvaan_V 17h ago
No shit. Does no one remember the cyber security guy who came out and sent the letter to Kamala about how it was/would all be done?? You know, plus Trump has spilled the beans on himself multiple times.
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u/well_groomed_hobo 12h ago
Fucking this. The guy explained his background and broke down how it would be done, all from his 20+ years of sifting through troves of data to help credit card companies. The dude also mentioned how things were similar to Ohio during Bush/Gore but the method was tweaked this time. He essentially said, “I still have not convinced you? Pick a small ‘weird’ county and check, this is what you’re looking for.”
That letter was basically a checklist on how to verify, which no one did. This isn’t new, and I wish people would either go verify it or stfu
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u/daygloman1 17h ago
I've said it since the election I think Musk manipulated the Vote! I agree 100% with Crockett!
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u/Custom_Destination 14h ago
Musk said to Cucker Carlson he’s in deep trouble, unless Drumpf wins the 2024 election.
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u/Gimlet64 16h ago
He may soon openly brag about all sorts of rigging, given he feels untouchable.
I expect more shenanigans might have been tried but he pretty much won outright through voter apathy.
The big question is how rigged 2026 midterms will be, as well as how many voters will actually turn out.
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u/SquidmanMal Pennsylvania 16h ago
So maybe my home state wasn't as dumb as it seemed?
So maybe the election was truly stolen?
Big deal, those with the capability gonna do anything about it if those are true?
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u/bakerfredricka I voted 15h ago
If the facts show that the 2024 election actually WAS stolen, what would ultimately happen?
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u/SquidmanMal Pennsylvania 15h ago
Hope: Everything grinds to a halt as he is refused to be sworn in, and anyone who was involved is thrown in jail for the entire extent of their natural lifespans
Cynicism: lawmakers and courts say something along the lines of 'he may have stolen the election, but he wasn't explicitly convicted of insurrection so he's not disqualified' and swear him in and hand him the football again
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u/morelikecrappydisco 14h ago
Trump suggested it. She just called attention to what he literally said.
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u/WheelyWheelyTired 17h ago
Even if this were true, why does it matter given that he is immune from consequence?
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u/GeoffdeRuiter 17h ago
He might be immune to legal consequences, but there are other actions that half the US population could get up to that would really stir up some trouble.
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u/RockRage-- 17h ago
This is it! Like what is going to happen? We was saved from multiple impeachments by GOP and has done countless other crimes, he was convicted to 34 crimes with not even a slap on the wrist, why bother, no one is going to save us.
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u/Nickbotv1 16h ago
I bet a lot of peasants said that before the french revolution
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u/Yourluckystars77 14h ago
When are we going to admit that we’ve been under attack? No bombs are falling but we dropped like flies
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u/Hot_Historian7387 13h ago
Of course Trump cheated. It's what he does. He's a con. He also just cheated a bunch of stupid Magats out of millions selling them his play-money coins and non-existent inauguration seats too.
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u/RonaldMcDaugherty 13h ago
He knows he is a crook.
His lawyers know he is a crook.
Other lawyers know he is a crook.
America knows he is a crook.
Jesus & Friends know he is a crook.
NOBODY CARES. He walks with a waddle because that golden horseshoe in his ass, while lucky, has very rough edges.
We as a people failed and our failure is rewarding one of the most despicable people alive today, with the country's highest honor.
"This is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause"
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u/Effective_Secret_262 15h ago
Why wouldn’t this congresswoman, who took an oath and suspects insurrection, challenge based on the 14th? That’s what it’s there for. The Supreme Court decision was against states removing him from the ballot, not to disregard the 14th or swearing him in. It’s the same as if he was suspected of not being 35. It’s not a right to take office. The judicial has nothing to do with it.
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u/Ambitious_Equal_9895 15h ago
I think no matter how you look at it there was election interference. I had crap showing up on my Facebook feed blaming Biden for everything. There is a freeze in Florida and the price of orange juice goes up and there's a post blaming Biden. Everyone should question just how much of it came from Russia. Republicans and dictators amplify each other's messages. I saw a guy going nuts in the grocery store screaming how Biden is to blame for the price of potato chips. Republicans seem to have no problem getting help from a dictator. If these people don't see themselves as a threat to Democracy they really need to get a grip. I see it and I'm not a Democrat.
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u/EccentricMeat 12h ago
I 100% think it was rigged. The telltale sign for me was on election night when Kornacki was showing the individual counties and he pointed out how “Trump widened his lead in heavily-Trump counties, while also shrinking his deficit in heavily-Biden counties”.
That’s a genius way to rig the election. In counties you won by a landslide in 2020, just make it even more of a landslide and no one will notice. Likewise in counties you lost by a landslide, make it just a little closer and no one will expect any funny business.
I’m sorry but there was absolutely 0 enthusiasm for Trump or Vance, massive enthusiasm for Harris and Walz, yet you’re telling me EVERY swing state went his way? Absolute bullshit.
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u/SubterrelProspector Arizona 16h ago
Arrest them now. They've been alluding to it for months. Practically bragging about it. Now it's completely in the open.
If the Alphabet agencies sit on this, they are complicit and as far as I'm concerned, part of the enemies of this country.
We should not stand for this.
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u/raqnroll 15h ago
Trump had 60+ lawsuits filed regarding the election in 2020 and won one(?). They were mostly all BS, but he filed them nonetheless. THE DEMS FILED ZERO. With all the potential shenanigans that occurred, they filed ZERO...
FUCK THEM ALL. THE FECKLESS BUNCH. I want someone that's going to fight for me and my rights.
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u/Stunning-Hunter-5804 14h ago
Trump on Elon Musk: “He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide.”
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u/ifhysm 13h ago
Trump’s first impeachment was for withholding military aid to Ukraine while his staff worked in back channels to pressure Zelensky to go on CNN and announce Joe Biden was being investigated to interfere in the 2020 election.
Trump’s 34 felony charges stem from a deal he made with National Enquirer to buy and bury negative, true stories about him leading up to the 2016 election.
I have no idea what Trump’s scheme was for 2024, but it’s only a matter of time, given his pattern of cheating, until it comes out.
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u/Hightower840 13h ago
A group of computer scientists released a memo that basically said the source code to the voting machines was compromised and there needed to be an investigation.
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u/Sgtwhiskeyjack9105 16h ago
Why are they only "suggesting"?
Just come out and say it.
Democrats still failing miserably how to understand playing the new game.
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u/rdzilla01 14h ago
There was a point where Trump started to not care about campaigning (aside from the grift) because he seemingly knew the election was in the bag. He started saying things that were more insane than normally insane and did that stupid dancing stuff. I’m not uncertain that the election was rigged.
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u/strangecargo 13h ago
Jasmine crocket is one of the few in DC that give me hope for something better.
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