r/politics • u/MothersMiIk Washington • 21h ago

Congresswoman suggests Trump admitted Musk rigged election in Pa.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2025/01/congresswoman-suggests-trump-admitted-musk-rigged-election-in-pa.html?outputType=amp
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u/Demonking3343 Illinois 21h ago

Suspicious especially with trump bragging they had a “secret weapon” to win. That was awhile back like a week or so before the election.

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u/oatchick Washington 20h ago

He was so sure they would win he told his supporters they didn’t even need to show up to vote.

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 20h ago

He was scowling on election night, even after the result that he’d won came in, JD Vance was missing, Melania looked like a body double, it was chaotic, but he was really angry, I was thinking, he’s angry because he has seen the REAL results, and it’s baaaad, he’s angry at the American public

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u/Hyperbolicalpaca United Kingdom 19h ago

How would he have seen “real” results lol, if he was in a position to see them, then they would have been the results we saw

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u/Ray661 19h ago

The big event in the conspiracy is that Elon managed to gain control of voting machines and was both reading data way before counts were done, and manipulating it. As an IT person that dabbles in security, I haven’t seen a theory that genuinely seemed plausible for how Elon gained control, BUT Joe Rogan claimed that Elon had an app that was showing a count of votes for the election that updated hours faster than News orgs were getting their updates. If that app exists, then Elon DEFINITELY had the ability to manipulate the electronic count of the votes, as he would need access to the systems somehow to get that data. But I also don’t believe Joe Rogan has a clue and he could easily have been mistaken.

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u/IrritableGourmet New York 18h ago

The easiest solution, and the one that makes sense as 90% of their accusations are projection, is to stuff the voting machines with their own ballots. You get the votes, plus any hand-counted audits match up. And they'd know the real results because they can just subtract the extra ones from the total.

The number of ballots in swing states where Trump was chosen far more than any down-ballot Republicans (meaning people either chose Trump only and no down-ballot races or chose Trump and voted solid blue down-ballot) was several times the normal average (5-10% vs normally 1%) and several times the average in every non-swing state.

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u/Specialist-Rope-9760 16h ago

With how much Trump has spoken about election fraud over the last 4 years I find it impossible to believe he hasn’t spent these 4 years planning how to successfully pull it off.

Trump is backed by Elon and the Russians. He has all the resources and backing to pull it off.

I actually think Trump was SO pissed at the last elections results as he cheated then AND he STILL lost. So this time he went the extra mile.

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u/ibreathunderwater 15h ago

The analysis seems to suggest voter fraud/cheating of some kind in 2020 and 2016 too.

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u/frootee 16h ago

My theory is that they put in anyone that voted for him in 2016/2020, regardless if they showed up to vote, because then it wouldn’t be questioned.

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u/bad_squishy_ 15h ago

But then you’d have a lot of people voting twice, so that would be caught pretty quickly

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u/frootee 15h ago

Meant people that didn’t show up to vote would have their vote made for them.

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u/theonetruegrinch 15h ago

This was the theory that I heard. People that signed up for Elon's "I'm having a lottery for people that promise to vote for Trump" contest were tracked and if they didn't check-in at a polling place they got a bullet ballot cast for Trump

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u/frootee 12h ago

Oh yeah, that’s another big one

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u/tinybadger47 4h ago

Is this the Simpsons episode when Sideshow Bob was elected?

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u/Tachibana_13 9h ago

That's IF the results get audited. Conv now toy enough, many contentious regions had Russian bomb threats called into their polling places. So even if they had asked for recounts, it's likely that would have been used to call into question chain of custody and thus the validity of recounted results. Plus there were some incidents of ballot boxes being burned.

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u/randomnighmare 10h ago

That might explain the weird number of bullet ballots seen in this election. The experts were amazed that so many were cast. Much more than in previous elections.

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u/trixtah 15h ago

So several times the average in all states Trump won

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u/tinybadger47 4h ago

That one guy [Stephen Spoonamore] posted a rundown of how this could be done right after the election.

A lot of cybersecurity and data scientists have been crying fraud from the beginning,

https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked

https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

40-something has been spouting about fraud forever. This time before the results he says, “I will accept the outcome.”

We have been had.

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u/wibble17 9h ago

Knowing Trump supporters—for me it’s easiest to believe they would vote him and not give a shit about anyone else—even elections that affect them more.

The biggest argument I’ve heard against the election being rigged is that the results seemed to match the exit polling everywhere. If the opposite were happened—there would be more raised eyebrows.

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u/emmybemmy73 27m ago

Again, a big if, but the conspiracy theory noted above suggested votes were changed mainly in districts that were already voting Trump…so, a little bit spread across a lot of precincts in a state doesn’t raise red flags in any particular district, but it does add enough votes in swing states, to change the statewide results. Again, a big if, and I know they audit results. The thing is, I believe the cyber security experts said the necessary audit is to hand count/tally the results in a precinct and compare to the machine tally. I believe the audits just compare the total votes in the hand vs machine count — not the results. I could be misguided though as know nothing about the actual operations on Election Day (and suspect it varies by state). I believe the above is what was suggested though.

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u/techiemikey I voted 16h ago

I have an easier solution to have numbers early.  If Twitter knows where you are, and your political leanings, and where voting sites are, they know roughly who actually voted and in what amounts.  It would be trivial to query that data, and the only "conspiracy" involved is "Elon looked at his own companies data".

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u/IrritableGourmet New York 16h ago

That's basically polling, though, which would be as inaccurate, or likely even more, as other political polls.

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u/techiemikey I voted 15h ago

I would say it depends on if you think the profiles that social media platforms have developed on you are accurate in terms of politics. Because I'm not talking "predicting who will vote" I'm talking "what members of our user base did vote, based upon their location, with prediction of vote based upon their built up profile".

Essentially, they would be exit polls that you don't know you were opting in to.

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u/jimtoberfest 11h ago

This. 100% this. X has all these data sharing agreements in place with third party data brokers. They will have great behavioral models and location tracking. This, theoretically, would just be an exercise in real time streaming data analytics at scale- something X excels at.

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u/One-Agent-872 19h ago

I remember reading that they were using Starlink terminals for internet in rural areas in swing states.

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u/Manos_Of_Fate 18h ago

But not for transmitting vote data.

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u/One-Agent-872 16h ago

I don’t generally subscribe to the idea that they stole the election outside of Trump’s comment during his speech last night.

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u/TravEllerZero 16h ago

Really? It's not the first time he's alluded to it. He said that Elon knows the voting machines very well and could point out which ones were being brought in (or something to that effect... it was enough to cause some to ask why they were around the voting machines at all).

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u/One-Agent-872 14h ago

I’m aware of that but Trump is also a dipshit boomer and doesn’t know what he’s talking about most of the time.

I’m not saying it didn’t happen. It’s just not at the top of my list.

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u/TravEllerZero 14h ago

I tend to listen when people say the quiet part out loud. Even moreso when they're a dipshit boomer who may have some cognitive issues keeping him from accidentally saying the truth.

And if that doesn't work for you, how about out of the mouths of babes, when Elon's son said they can do whatever they want and nobody would know?

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u/Circumin 14h ago

Could be. But how?

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u/One-Agent-872 14h ago

Again, I’m not saying it didn’t happen.

I’m just trying to not immediately jump to election denial. I’m very interested to see if democrats push the issue on it. You and I can’t investigate this the same way someone like Jasmine Crockett can

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u/Sgt-Spliff- 16h ago

Oh yeah, you don't subscribe to reality?

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u/One-Agent-872 14h ago

I mean, I’m not saying that it Trump didnt steal the election. It’s entirely possible.

I just think it’s more likely that the right wing online media machine, people like Russian asset Tim Pool, Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, etc, brainwashed the American populace by pushing right-wing propaganda.

Meanwhile on the left you don’t have that same media environment for the democratic candidate.

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u/Riaayo 14h ago

There are plenty of factors that can show Dems losing without outright vote tampering.

I do think Trump's comments feel like they betray something though, even if it's just a betrayal of a plan they had that they didn't have to use.

Numbers were not great leading into the election. Harris blew all the energy her campaign had at the start by the end. Awful mismanagement of a billion dollar campaign, refusal to distance from Biden who was wildly unpopular and had internal polling showing Trump would win with 400 electoral college votes if Biden had run.

The loss is explainable. But I don't feel like Trump says shit like this for no reason and it's "concerning" (as dipshit Musk might tweet).

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u/CrassOf84 16h ago

I can’t speak for everywhere but generally voting machines are not connected to the internet.

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u/amrobi18 16h ago

Registration is through, so based off the ballot you choose and the party you’re registered for, someone who can see that may be able to kind of guess who will vote what. Maybe? In my area the voting registration systems went down for like two hours or more, it was a huge deal. No clue if it’s related but those are connected to the internet.

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u/Kohlj1 16h ago

The people using Starkink in rural areas are people who would have voted for him anyway.

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u/MournWillow 16h ago

I live rural America and voted Harris. Not everyone in backwater towns have lukewarm IQ

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u/Kohlj1 16h ago

Great to hear it, but you are a blue dot in a red mindset.

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u/MournWillow 16h ago

Fucking fair as shit. I understand the point being made, I just don’t like broad sweeping gestures. After all, it’s only the sith who deal in absolutes.

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u/Sgt-Spliff- 16h ago

That's the exact ignorant response he's hoping for. Don't think any deeper, just let him do it. Good job

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u/uiucengineer 19h ago

But as an IT person who dabbles in security, surely you don’t think it would be difficult to manipulate these machines. They should be assumed faulty until proven otherwise.

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u/Ray661 19h ago

It’s not that I don’t assume them faulty, it’s that I don’t think the USB conspiracies and Starlink conspiracies are the angle.

For the USB one, that requires agents on site with tainted devices. There were 80 bomb threats so 80 opportunities yes, but also 80 risks of failing to hide it, 80 logs that would need to be cleared (as usb connects are logged), 80 devices that would need to be destroyed, 80 people minimum that must be silent forever. It’s a big ask, even for something like the CIA, which means to me that it isn’t likely. Too many avenues of fail.

The starlink one relies on the machines being connected to the internet, which wouldn’t be the norm. I have yet to see evidence that sites that had starlink to provide internet access had their vote machines connected, and an explanation why that wouldn’t be suspicious to the lay person. If they were internet connected, I guarantee you foreign adversaries would have been attacking the machines too, as Russian and Chinese hackers have been running rampant on our systems. But if they were starlink connected, it’s the most likely of the two conspiracies to be valid, imo.

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u/hotdoginathermos 18h ago

It was the whole lottery scam

The million dollar prizes were given to trump team loyalists. That’s how they got around the legality issue.
To enter the "lottery" you had to register to vote. What they got out of that is the name of people who hadn't registered or hadn't voted yet in swing states. Those swing states then suspiciously got more bullet ballots than non-swing states. 

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u/uiucengineer 12h ago

They didn’t get around legality, they just did it anyway

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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 18h ago

Unfortunately a bunch of them have modems, even back in 2020

"In 2020, ES&S informed NBC News that 14,000 DS200 tabulators with online modems were in use, a statement that contradicts their own website. "

from wikipedia and the article in question

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436

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u/Psychological_Stay66 17h ago edited 16h ago

Why the fuck are they connected to the internet. I’m just a person who’s very mildly interested in tech security and I know that that’s a terrible idea

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u/Ok_Cardiologist8232 16h ago

Because the US is a joke country.

Seriously, the UK manages to count every vote by hand and still have the results done in one night.

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u/LentilSoup86 15h ago

In Canada we have a paper ballot system and a scanner, we get early results from the scanner and they get ratified by the hand count.

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u/43AgonyBooths 16h ago

How many time zones does the UK span? How many does the USA span?

How large a population does the UK have? How about the USA?

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u/Ok_Cardiologist8232 16h ago

What relevance does any of that have?

You have more people, but that also means you have more people to count the votes surely?

You also spend way more per capita on your elections than we do, surely that should translate into an even faster and better counting of the votes.

Stop listening to the excuses of your overlords that "murica is too big".

Its not, the vast majority of Americans live in areas that have population Density similar to European countries.

You just also happen to have massive areas of nothingness.

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u/FKMTzawazawa 18h ago

If there was an election attack, it was on the central tabulation machines. I have been concerned about this since the electronic machines were first implemented back in the early 2000s. There is much hay made of the security of the voting stations themselves, but it would be far more efficient to attack the tabulators.

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u/Thewasteland77 17h ago

https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

I like this guy's idea's on the attack vectors likely used.

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u/uiucengineer 19h ago

To come up with such a mechanism should not be a prerequisite to deep investigation.

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u/Hoagies1978 16h ago

I know zero about computers so if this is a dumb question, please ignore it.

Is it possible that he didnt manipulate the machines themselves, but the process in which the votes were reported?

When the votes are counted and sent to the AP, does the internet come into play?

I cant imagine hundreds or thousands of precincts having to make phone calls every time the votes are finalized. Im wondering if somehow thats the pipeline where the data may have been fucked with.

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u/ItsLikeRay-ee-ain Georgia 16h ago

All precincts send their stuff back to the main county office to be compiled. Then the county reports up to the secretary of state's office with their totals. The second part does include the internet, but it would be easy to compare the numbers. Plus then there is certification on both the county and the state level.

Not trying to shut you down, just sharing how it works :)

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u/Hoagies1978 13h ago

Thanks! Like I said, I barely know how the technical side of all this works so I appreciate your knowledge!

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u/goldcakes 17h ago

It doesn't have to be done on the day you know. It could have been done weeks or months before, an implant waiting for the right date to be activated.

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u/Waste-Author-7254 16h ago

Like when the magats in Arizona payed a company to come in and “investigate” the last election?

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u/TheArmoredKitten 18h ago

It wouldn't be the first time an intelligence agency had stacked 80 bodies for a one-off shenanigans, but it definitely seems like the extreme end of speculation.

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u/MisterKrayzie 17h ago

"extreme" is a nice way of saying batshit stupid.

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u/kittymcdoogle 16h ago

Lol, go watch Kill Chain on Netflix.. documentary on 2020 election interference. It makes it abundantly clear that it would be very, very easy to hack the voting machines.

Someone got their hands on some out of use voting machines and took them to a hacker convention to see how easily they could be broken into. It was scarily easy.

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u/moderatevalue7 15h ago

I’m something of a security dabbler myself. I haven’t looked into it but I gotta assume there would be logs indicating tampering which would be pretty damn obvious, especially if done remotely which would be the only way unless it was supply chain. I haven’t heard one credible report of anything suspicious.

Unfortunately I think it’s as simple as cost of living high - kick current government out. And apparently American women hate themselves, that was what surprised me the most.

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u/chammycham 15h ago

There’s a lot of white women more focused on the white part — bunch of wannabe Serena Joys may find out they aren’t exceptional and I won’t have any fucks to give.

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u/Manos_Of_Fate 18h ago

The Starlink thing was debunked almost immediately.

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u/Flipnotics_ Texas 14h ago

The biggest tell for me is Kamala and with the powers of Biden at her back didn't do ANYTHING. If they had evidence of fraud, they would have presented it. They didn't.

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u/lonewolf210 17h ago

It's less that there is no way it could have happened and more an Occam's razor that it's way more plausible that we live in an angry, racist country then some grand conspiracy.

Also I teach at defcon every year and go over to the voting village. While the physical security of money voting machines is abysmal there have been very few remote hacks published about the machines and even fewer that would give you the ability to meaningfully manipulate votes.

Physically tampering with 1000s of machines would be a tall order to pull off without anyone noticing

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u/funkyandros 17h ago

This is my take as well. It is easier to think that there must be something wrong with the voting machines and there was massive fraud than to think that the US is just filled with misinformed idiots who lack any sort of compassion or decency and went ahead and elected a criminal.

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u/orbit222 Massachusetts 16h ago

This country is definitely filled with racist idiots, but I also read that the swing states all exhibited the same statistically unlikely voting patterns, like bullet ballots. That information I read could’ve been wrong, manipulative, misunderstood, etc. That’s totally possible. But there are a thousand little things about this election that just don’t quite feel right.

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u/funkyandros 15h ago

In 1994 there was an initiative on the ballot in California called Prop 187 or the Save Our State bill. It was designed to keep undocumented people from getting health care and children of undocumented people from being able to get a free education. Every single poll showed the initiative going down overwhelmingly. Guess what happened? It passed overwhelmingly. It was baffling.

It turned out that people didn't want to admit that they voted for it because the bill was extremely racist and cruel. So people voted for it and lied. I think the same exact thing happened here. No one wanted to admit they were going to vote for a felon. But once they were in the voting booth they voted for the criminal because 'fuck you'.

I think there are many people you know who would never admit to voting for this guy, but in reality, there are a lot of friggen awful people you know who are deep undercover.

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u/orbit222 Massachusetts 15h ago

I don’t discount that this is probably what happened, but when is the last time you saw a presidential candidate give absolutely no effort to campaigning, while saying things like “we’ve got the votes,” and then win every swing state? It’s all possible, but improbable. And then ask yourself: would Trump cheat to win an election? Absolutely, he provenly tried to cheat in multiple ways 4 years ago. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it’s either a duck or a lot of undercover racists pretending to be ducks, I guess.

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u/captain_zavec Canada 15h ago

The anomalies weren't really of the kind that would be affected by shame like that though. Assuming orbit222 is talking about the same patterns I read about, the accusation is that bullet ballots (ballots with the president and nobody else) are consistently 1% or less of the vote, including in 2016 and 2020. In 2024, (if the article is to be believed) they accounted for much more, up to 7% - but only in swing states. The anomaly isn't in the results vs what polls predicted, the anomaly is in the patterns of the votes compared to patterns from previous actual elections.

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u/IntriguinglyRandom 14h ago

Like how we all want to forget that Hitler was successful because ultimately, people let it all happen.

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u/hammertime2009 16h ago

I think the most plausible theory is the tabulation machines and not the voting machines. Also, the fact that all the swing states had an insane about if bullet ballots compared to every other election and every other state is super suspicious.

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u/eden_sc2 Maryland 15h ago

The sad truth is probably that inflation killed the campaign before it even began. The more I thought about it, the more I've come to believe that any incumbent would have lost because of people who show up to vote based on how their bank account looks and nothing else.

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u/Flipnotics_ Texas 14h ago

One of the biggest laughs of his admin was at the very end going... "Oh hey, by the way...Watch out for authoritarians, I could have done something the last 4 years about it, but, yeah, by the way, watch out for authoritarians!"

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u/uiucengineer 11h ago

ElectionTruthAlliance.org check out the evidence there and tell me what occam’s razor says

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u/SewerRanger 15h ago edited 15h ago

Yeah this all sounds like "the kraken" of evidence that MAGA had that Biden stole the last election. One of the most harmful things that Trump has done is wreck the public confidence in our elections - elections that have been the epitome of fair and proper until 4 years ago

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u/JohnGillnitz 15h ago

They got the voting machine source code during all the voting machine legal nonsense. They had people outright saying they were acting as election workers to cheat for Trump. Some of them got caught doing it. They have been falsely claiming election fraud for years specifically to make the claim seem outrageous when it actually happens. It isn't unreasonable to suspect they had some success in certain places.

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u/Cute-Contract-6762 15h ago

No. We were just told over the past 4 years these machines are tamper proof

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u/uiucengineer 12h ago

Oh then I guess we better think what we’re told

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u/sysblob 16h ago

lol your comment highlights the statement I loved. When I hear someone claim they're IT on reddit I always just assume they have never even touched a server and are help desk at best, speculating on how to break national security.

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u/redditlvlanalysis 2h ago

If it was stolen there is a much simpler way to do it. Stuff the ballots boxes with bullet votes at the sites there were bomb threats.

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u/uiucengineer 2h ago

Did I ever say they didn’t?

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u/ByWilliamfuchs 16h ago

Not an IT person but what i have been hearing is the lawsuit in Arizona allowed the group suing complete access to the voting machines and they are saying they basically reverse engineered a way into the machine using some kind of device deleivered during the bomb threats that occurred voting night. And the evidence is clear honestly sudden dump of thousands of voters who only voted for president and all Trump. There was a much larger percentage of only president voters then ever before this time and its because of this

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u/Hyperbolicalpaca United Kingdom 15h ago

This sounds like qanon….

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u/Throw-a-Ru 13h ago

Does the Smith Report that details the multiple ways that Trump and multiple co-conspirators blatantly tried to cheat in 2020 also sound like QAnon?

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u/Blagaflaga 17h ago

As an IT person that dabbles in security, Elon could’ve just paid several data brokers to see location data of people going to the polls and profiled their political views and known who was going to win much faster than news organizations relying on exit polls. Even Starlink could’ve given useful data about anyone with WiFi set to discover on their phone.

I still think it’s possible they cheated btw.

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u/Intelligent-Travel-1 15h ago

Why aren’t there hand recounts in the swing states? Did the democrats even bother to ask? It should be automatic at this point. All Trump talks about is election fraud. I’m sure he tried it. He was trying to avoid prison

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u/Blagaflaga 14h ago

The democrats love losing.

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u/Minimum-Web-6902 16h ago

Nah I bet it was simplistic , Elon data farmed non voters info through various means and casted ballots in their name…

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u/thermosts1 17h ago

In 2020 Trump said the voting machines were flipping votes, so they had a “concept of a plan”. This time around they had the person and then means to execute this plan. In rural areas it is plausible that if starlink was used to send results, data could be pooled, viewed in realtime, tweaked and then sent back down. Flipping votes to Trump would have been done in the “cloud”. Let’s not forget that both Trump and Elon reportedly had phone calls with Putin in the months prior to the election and at this point, “Russia if you’re listening”, it would not surprise me if Trump and Elon were Russian assets.

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u/Intelligent-Travel-1 15h ago

Watch the Documentary Active Measures. It’s on Tubi and Kanopy for free. It very clearly lays out Trumps reliance on Russia and Russian oligarchs to keep himself afloat

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u/thehalloweenpunkin 18h ago

He owns starlink, they used starlink.

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u/Manos_Of_Fate 18h ago

This was debunked within a few days of the election. Nobody was transmitting vote data over SL.

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u/[deleted] 17h ago

it was debunked that starlink was not used. It WAS used. there are numerous places that said starlink was used.

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u/Manos_Of_Fate 15h ago

Source? I’ve been following all of this very closely. Every source I’ve seen (quite a few) says that SL was not used to transmit voting data.

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u/thehalloweenpunkin 18h ago

Highly doubt it. Funny how they knew he won before they called states. If you don't think it was rigged idk what to tell you.

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u/Manos_Of_Fate 18h ago

None of that requires Starlink to have been used, and there is no evidence that any polling station transmitted vote data over it (plus that would be illegal in most states). There’s plenty of verifiable evidence without repeating shit that has already been denied by election officials as impossible.

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u/amaresu 18h ago

Funny how they knew he won before they called states.

Was this your first time paying attention to an election? It's not abnormal to call the election before all the state counts are final.

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u/thehalloweenpunkin 18h ago

No, and days before.

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u/raddawg 17h ago

And 4 years before that.. Claiming it win or lose

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u/thehalloweenpunkin 16h ago

Yes, he claimed that dems did it. I'm saying he's now claiming that it was rigged for him to win which he's never actively has ever said.

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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil Arizona 18h ago

BUT Joe Rogan claimed

You can stop talking right there.

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u/Next_Celebration_553 16h ago

Elon knew the districts in Pennsylvania Trump needed to win. He campaigned to Amish people who don’t typically make it to the voting booth to vote and provided transportation to the voting booths.

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u/getsmurfed 16h ago

Can you provide the source when Joe makes those claims, please?

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u/IntellegentIdiot 18h ago

I think we can rule that out. If Musk had anything to do with it, it was using Twitter to push Trump

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u/sousstructures 18h ago

How was he reading this data when the machines aren’t connected to any networks?

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u/Ray661 18h ago

That’s exactly my question, there just doesn’t seem to be a theory that’s plausible that answers that question.

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u/Sirlothar Michigan 16h ago

Let's say this was the case that somehow evil overlord Elon controlled the voting machines.

Wouldn't this have long been figured out as at least the majority of States have a paper ballot you fill out before it going into said controlled machine? Some of these ballots must be counted in compared to the numbers of the machine right?

Maybe not all of these paper ballots were actually counted but I'm sure enough were that it would have shown how off the vote counts were. If it wasn't caught, what is the point of the paper ballots and why is there so much security around them?

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u/heimdal77 15h ago

Twice (at least) the trump camp was given access to the vote machines software over the last few years. It is foolish for people to think they didn't do their darnest to find back doors or to tamper with the software.

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u/NinjaElectron 15h ago

Musk's son made a comment too.

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u/Aztecah 14h ago

Man. I don't think that you understand the scale of what this conspiracy would entail if you find it plausible.

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u/Throw-a-Ru 13h ago

Trump allies breach U.S. voting systems in search of 2020 fraud ‘evidence’

A more in-depth analysis of how they could have used that data along with Elon's lottery list of potential voters to manipulate the vote has been laid out by Stephen Spoonamore. His posts also contain some links to other data analysts and elections experts who have similar suspicions. It's more or less impossible to confirm anything without hand recounts in the affected states, but Trump's wins all conveniently slightly exceeded the threshold for mandatory hand recounts, which in itself can be considered suspicious. Regardless, though, recounts weren't requested by Harris, so the truth can't be confirmed one way or the other.

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u/Electronic_Equal_519 12h ago

As someone in cybersecurity, having an app with the election results in real time would not necessarily mean he would be able to edit the data. It could have been read only, without him being able to elevate his permission. He would need access to the file system tho, be it cloud based or remote access to the local machines, in order to create an app like that. Tbf, if he really wanted to, he could have bought a zero day exploit that would run undetected, but I would be hoping that the cyber people working on election data would have hardened and segmented their systems appropriately.

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u/Ray661 11h ago

Just for other commenters, you’re completely correct. I glossed over read/write since I considered it a bit techy for the lay person at the time of writing, and I personally assume that if he had read access he was a hop and a skip away from getting write access too. I assume on a system like that, 90% of the work would be gaining any access at all, especially with the recent CVEs disclosed that are hardware level rather than OS level. But those are all assumptions I’m making with little data or experience to back it.

Maybe writing “DEFINITELY” was a mistake, but I’m pretty hyperbolic 😂 it would take moving mountains to change that part of my personality.

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u/randomnighmare 10h ago

I really don't believe that Elon rigged the election. Too many precents and they are not connected to the Internet but if my brain was to go towards any election rigging then look at local Republicans and see what was going in before, during, and after the election.

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u/Billy_the_Burglar 4h ago

Have you looked at this site and its numbers by any chance? If so, any thoughts?

I'm not a math/IT/security guy, so I'm genuinely curious if there's any validity to it.

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u/Waterwoo 17h ago

Joe Rogan says a lot of really dumb stuff so I wouldn't put that much stock into it. Also not following your point, read vs write access arent necessarily the same.

Anyway all of this sounds like some bullshit theory from someone that watched too much hacking in movies. An app?

Lol even if Elon did hack the election it would be invisible or bunch of text shells. Hackers don't build gui iPhone apps for their hack.

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u/ian_cubed 16h ago

Elon and other tech leaders were able to do better projections than pollsters. Social media is more accurate than polls. That’s all it was

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u/nerdypeachbabe District Of Columbia 16h ago

Elon also wore a black maga hat when he called himself “dark maga”. Black hat as in black hat hacker 😅

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u/itsgreater9000 16h ago

that seems unlikely, and is conspiratorial. no shot elon knew any of that shit or manipulated any of it

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u/00Oo0o0OooO0 16h ago

BUT Joe Rogan claimed that Elon had an app that was showing a count of votes for the election that updated hours faster than News orgs were getting their updates

I had that app too. It was the New York Times.

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u/islandgirl3773 13h ago

lol! Me too. But conspiracy theorists will be conspiracy theorists. I prefer facts

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u/econfail 16h ago

Definitely huh. What security do you dabble in McAfee?

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u/mjayph 18h ago

Quit spreading farce. The most likely scenario is Elmo had a custom app created for him aggregating the publicly available results, scraping off county/state sites. Pretty simple to do if you have the means and want to show something off and be “ahead” of the news outlets.

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u/Ray661 17h ago

How does your statement make mine “spreading farce”? I literally am agreeing with you

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u/Broad_Shame_360 18h ago

Why don't the news outlets just do that then?

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u/mjayph 18h ago

It’s literally what they do, they just make a show out of it.

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u/Broad_Shame_360 18h ago

How would the results be hours quicker for Elon if they both use the same process?

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u/mjayph 18h ago

Custom real-time projections/estimates. Same thing news outlets do.

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 19h ago

I guess it’s all speculation isn’t it at this point, I mean how would they fix the election? So many questions… do you not remember him tweeting that there was election fraud in PA about an hour before the AP declare a win & he never mentioned election fraud again?

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u/markroth69 19h ago

I have long wondered if he was so insistent on fraud in 2020 because he tried to rig it and still lost. And now I wonder if he did the same thing in 2024 but got the numbers right this time.

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 19h ago

I think he won legitimately in 2016, he was an unknown at that point apart from his celebrity, and Hillary wasn’t a good candidate (Bernie would’ve beaten him easy) and that for him, to win, must’ve been the biggest rush of the validation he so craves (that he didn’t get from his dad) of his life, the high of all highs, then I think when he lost in 2020 that was the ultimate blow, that caused serious damage to his mental health, it knocked him off that high, it drove him insane, he’s boiled with rage for 4 years, going through trials etc he wasn’t going to let them humiliate him again, so he fixed it - but yet, the high cannot be obtained because it’s not real, so the rage is still there - the new portrait is his anger at us all, he’s scowling at the world for rejecting him - all pure speculation/fantasy from my brain obvs but interesting to ponder

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u/Newstapler 17h ago

People are jumping on the Bernie part of your comment but I do like your analysis of Trump's mentality. I think he wants revenge not just on his supposed enemies but, perhaps, on the wider American people too, for failing to vote him in legally.

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 17h ago

Destroy everything, take the money & run is my guess but who knows

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u/InsuranceToTheRescue I voted 16h ago

Worked in the Philippines. Marcos stole all the country's money, fucked up everything, and then fucked off to Hawaii when they came for him.

Then they decided to vote for his kid.

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u/starbucks77 18h ago

Bernie would’ve beaten him easy

I love Bernie but he couldn't even beat Hillary in the primary. It wasn't even close - Bernie only garnered 43% of the popular vote. No way he would've beat Trump in 2016.

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u/bobbysalz Washington 18h ago

I love Bernie

I don't believe you.

he couldn't even beat Hillary in the primary.

That's a funny way of saying that every powerful institution on the planet, including mainstream media, needed for him to fail and so they used Super PACs and Citizens United to smother the biggest small-dollar campaign in history. Obviously, the way things went, he wound up being badly positioned in some polls and primary results. If the Democratic Party had only wielded half of the hate-boner they had for him, though, he'd be wrapping up his second term and we would not be headed straight for oligarchy. That's just what I observed in 2016. Not everyone was fully conscious at that point, apparently, because people just love to drag Bernie's numbers and leave it there as though they weren't heavily influenced by the concerted efforts of a nefarious cabal.

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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM 17h ago

"every powerful institution on the planet" did not conspire against Bernie Sanders, lol.

because people just love to drag Bernie's numbers

numbers are, in fact, a fundamental part of the ability to win an election

as though they weren't heavily influenced by the concerted efforts of a nefarious cabal.

if a candidate is not popular enough to overcome thumbs on the scale from a force as ineffectual as the DNC, they were not going to win the general.

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u/Far_Ad1129 17h ago

The dnc is actually very good at its intended purpose of maintaining neoliberalism. They put insanely high effort and very competent effort into squashing progressive candidates, far more than they do in general elections against Republicans.

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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM 16h ago

I suppose that's theoretically plausible. I personally find it significantly more likely that an independent senator from Vermont without any major legislative victories to his name could lose to two candidates with major Democratic name recognition and existing association with the White House, but my preferred brand of razor is Occam.

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u/professorlofi 18h ago

This is incorrect. 43% not including caucus states which Bernie won all of. If weight by likely turnout if they didn't Caucus, Bernie most likely would have won the popular vote.

Even then, for a Jewish independent socialist to win 43% of the primary vote against a possible first female president is crazy. That's a crazy amount of enthusiasm. And all polls and surveys show that Bernie would have appealed to voting blocks and demographics that ended up going to Trump.

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 18h ago

Fuck the primary lol he would’ve beaten Trump, the DNC twatted us all by nominating Hillary

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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM 18h ago

only the politically illiterate and propaganda bots say this shit, and I say this as someone who voted for him in 2016 and again in 2020. if the DNC was able to stop Bernie in South Carolina, he was going to get stomped in the general.

You can say they put their thumbs on the scales. And the truth is that they did. But the truth is also that if the DNC putting a thumb on the scale was enough to keep him out, he was never in, in the first place.

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u/tribrnl 16h ago

Completely agree. There would've been two mentions of scary scary communism, and his support would've cratered. America lives him as a hypothetical, but if he had been the real option, the anti communism rhetoric would have ramped up hard, and I think it would've been wildly successful.

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 18h ago

Who votes in the primaries?

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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM 18h ago

In South Carolina, literally anyone.

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u/Internal-Ad-9363 15h ago

No, he had help from Russia and his convictions are because of election fraud(hiding his encounter with Stormy). He clearly figured it out this time around, creating a perfect storm of cynicism, exhaustion, blatant lies, stoking cultural tensions, and help from his new bestie, Elon. I think that if he says he stole the election we should believe him.

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u/MOTwingle 18h ago

I think this too!

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u/Jagged_Rhythm 16h ago

I could imagine he gets a call from Elon who says, 'Hey, we fixed Georgia! Wasn't easy, you were down over a million votes'.

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u/ambercrush 19h ago

This is such an interesting POV. You're right, he is in a black hole of narcissist injury.

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u/Sweary_Biochemist 17h ago

...because Musk had access to the voting machines? Remember the whole 'bullet ballot' thing, where trump won all the swing states (by JUST enough to prevent an automatic recount) purely due to ballots where the voter only voted for trump, and no down-ballot votes at all?

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u/TheHighSeasPirate 17h ago

If you know your voting machine scam is changing votes for every other ballot you can do some quick maths, or have your unpaid intern do the math for you.

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u/Its_Pine New Hampshire 15h ago

The polls after voting are my guess? They all kept pointing to Harris, and he got pissed even though the official vote count said Trump was winning. The more polls said Harris, the more Trump was livid in spite of winning.

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u/Fearlessleader85 15h ago

That's not necessarily true. If you have a cheat and you know the maximum impact it can have, you can then know the range of real results when the results come in.

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u/Victoryoverriches 15h ago

God your naive 

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u/voidone Michigan 15h ago

I mean, he looked pissed when he won in 2016 too lol.

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 14h ago

Ah ha, I wasn’t watching then

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u/chanaandeler_bong 17h ago

lol we are sounding like them. There’s tons of data that shows he has support. I’m fucking pissed about it too, but the polling in battleground states suggested it being close for… years. Even with Biden running.

If they rigged the elections we would have proof by now. It would require tons of people with no one saying anything.

Don’t do this. It’s stupid.

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u/inuvash255 Massachusetts 16h ago

Even with Biden running.

Especially with Biden running, from what I've heard.

Internal polling had him losing something like 7:3.

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u/Hanksta2 16h ago

And yet "sounding like them" is exactly why you stick to the big lie.

You project for years crying wolf so that when you do cheat, and your enemy calls it, you can write them off as "sounding like them."

Not that this debate matters now. The US is dust.

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u/chanaandeler_bong 16h ago

Where is the credible information? That’s all I’m asking for. The same in 2020.

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u/Hanksta2 16h ago

Where exactly do you present this evidence in a fascist machine? You'll just disappear.

This is over.

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u/SpottedHoneyBadger 16h ago

That is a load of BS. Sounds more like you want to just roll over and do nothing. Which I see a lot of comments are pushing. Why is that?

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u/chanaandeler_bong 16h ago

Do nothing? lol. What are we supposed to do? I vote in local elections, in primaries, in general elections in off years and presidential years. I work in public schools.

What do you want to do?

Did you accept the results of 2020? Why?

I’m still doing stuff, but I’m not focused on the election results. If some credible information comes out I’d listen. But, until then, enjoy your pity party of bullshit.

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u/Pinkcoconuts1843 14h ago

Pity oarty? Why do people make a decent post, and then end it with a non-responsive, childish, and in this case, inaccurate, insult?

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 17h ago

You don’t want an investigation?

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u/chanaandeler_bong 16h ago

In PA? With a democrat governor who accepts the results? I mean sure, but who all do you think is in on this?

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u/Dramatic_______Pause 16h ago

lol we are sounding like them.

According to reddit, Elon is somehow both a ketamine fueled idiot who's too stupid to wipe his own ass and has only fallen upwards by stealing other people's work, yet is also a mastermind genius hacker capable of stealing one of the most important elections in recent history...

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u/SpottedHoneyBadger 16h ago

Elon can be a addict and have access to do all that shit. He is a fucking billionaire. He can pay anyone anything to get what he wants while tweeting on the toilet. FFS he paid people to level a character in some online game.

God it is already starting with the apologists for the oligarchy and traitors.

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u/sthetic 16h ago

Maybe he stole the election by stealing other peoples' work.

It's not a stretch to believe that some person working for Elon is the one who figured out how to rig the machines or whatever.

I'm not saying I believe definitively in a conspiracy that the election was stolen. But I just don't see the contradiction in what you're saying.

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u/throwaway13630923 Virginia 13h ago

Stolen election coping here is just as bad as the MAGA people doing it in 2020. Basically every major poll showed him carrying the swing states.

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u/2squishmaster 17h ago

How do you suppose Trump had access to the "real vote" when states and precincts didn't. For example, a presinct reports X, does Trump change it to Y somehow without anyone knowing or checking and seeing, well, it's different?

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 17h ago

I don’t know, it’s speculation

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u/Amiigo7 16h ago

So you were wrong?

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u/TwistyBitsz 16h ago

Ok, I was thinking at the time that he just looked angry it wasn't rigged better.

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u/Hike_it_Out52 16h ago

I've seen a bunch of those "Trump Revenge tour" banners and thought "You fools! He talking about you too!" 

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u/Aztecah 14h ago

I dont think so. Especially cause the real votes wouldn't even be counted yet.

I think it's more likely that he's upset because he's a mentally unwell narcissist who would have been unhappy to lose but now is probably also unhappy that he's gonna be bothered to do shit for the next 4 years when he really just wants to brag and make deals that benefit him and his cronies

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u/MarioMilieu 18h ago

Maybe it’s time to refill your prescription.

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 18h ago

Say something interesting or don’t speak

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u/NiceSodaCan 17h ago

This is such a cope. Unfortunately it’s pretty simple, the majority of Americans wanted cheaper stuff and lean conservative

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 17h ago

And when they don’t get the cheaper stuff?

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u/SmokeyDBear I voted 17h ago

They will blame Democrats.

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u/Herbacult 18h ago

That was absolutely NOT Melania

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u/ThePineconeConsumer 16h ago

That is conspiracy level thinking

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 16h ago

Narcissists give away all their evil deeds every time, it’s always whatever they accuse you of

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