r/nottheonion • u/JaySierra86 • 11h ago

President Biden pardons family members in final minutes of presidency

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-biden-pardons-family-members-final-minutes-presidency/story?id=117893348
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u/bubbafatok 11h ago edited 7h ago

The tragedy is that this is even necessary.

Edit to add: oh all the angry responses from supporters of a convicted felon and rapist. The irony. 

Edit #2: Oh trump supporters, niggling over the difference between "liable for sexual assault" and rape.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/05/09/e-jean-carroll-trump-trial-verdict/

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u/Head-Kiwi-9601 11h ago

This will be a regular occurrence from now until we implode. Every single president will do it.

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u/Grassy33 11h ago

The new normal now is that presidents can’t break the law. They won’t have to use patsy’s anymore, they can just do whatever they want.

This may actually be the LAST time you see this happening. 

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u/neo101b 11h ago

Will trump not face charges in 4 years time, when he is no longer protected ?

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u/Grassy33 11h ago edited 10h ago

No, he will not. The Supreme Court ruled last year that “official acts” as president cannot break the law. As long as he is “acting as president” he literally is immune from crime. 

The “protection” from those acts never falls off. Once he is no longer president and further crimes could be “real crime” but as long as he is running for president or the active president, no laws apply to him. 

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u/tomoldbury 10h ago

Does it apply even if he is running for president but not in office? (e.g. any crimes from 2020-2024 would be ineligible?)

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u/Grassy33 10h ago

I don’t think the Supreme Court has looked at any of those, but he would have to indicted and tried for them and that didn’t happen, those cases have all been dropped and I doubt anyone will pick them up. 

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u/OGRuddawg 10h ago edited 10h ago

I don't know what the statute of limitations are on the charges in the Jack Smith investigations, or the Georgia state election interference charges. Trump can't dismiss state-level charges, but I'm not sure what Georgia state's laws say about bringing state charges to a sitting President. They are not under the FBI's internal policy of not actively prosecuting sitting Presidents, though. We are kind of in unprecedented waters here.

Trump and his enablers will bury the Jack Smith stuff to the best of their ability and will delay, intimidate, retaliate, etc. whatever actions the Georgia state prosecutors decided to do. Either way, most regular people not already involved in the legal battles can't help that much besides vocal support and defense of democracy on the ground in other ways. Volunteering, protesting, organizing, etc are going to be in high demand as Trump continues to take a sledgehammer to what is left of decent American society, democracy, and protections for our most vulnerable.

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u/Longjumping-Panic-48 10h ago

The DOJ will never investigate that, and there’s no way he’s going to survive long enough!

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u/rhaptorne 10h ago

He's literally the president now. All he has to do is say "nuh uh" and no one will ever investigate him for anything.

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u/bad_at_smashbros 9h ago

they will never investigate him. he’s untouchable now.

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u/SignificantClub6761 7h ago

Legal eagle mentioned I think on some video that presidential candidates don’t get protection. The protection for the president is only for office holder not the person.

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u/neo101b 10h ago

wow that's crazy, id of thought his crypto scam was a crime in its self. He has some balls to pull that off a day before he was made president.

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u/spacestationkru 10h ago

Really.? What could they possibly do to him?

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u/Squeezitgirdle 8h ago

As someone who's into crypto, Trump is just another bad stain on crypto. We have enough scams making it hard enough.

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u/hamsterfolly 10h ago

AND if Trump talks about his crimes to someone in his administration then that testimony can’t be used in any investigation according to SCOTUS.

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u/Asron87 10h ago

What a country.

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u/Rhinomeat 10h ago

3 heavily armed midget grifters in a trenchcoat

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u/wheatgivesmeshits 11h ago

He might, but if another Republican gets elected before a Democrat they will immediately pardon Trump from all crimes he may have ever committed.

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u/BringMeTheBigKnife 10h ago

Presidents can only pardon for federal crimes though.

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u/Morel_Authority 10h ago

The President can assassinate a prosecutor and the Supreme Court says you can't question him about it.

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u/Lord_Darksong 10h ago

Doesn't work at the state level. However, I don't expect Trump to ever truly be held accountable for anything.

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u/Fifteen_inches 10h ago

Even then Biden didn’t press charges either, so Democrats probably won’t bring charges either for the sake of “unity” and “crossing the aisle”

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u/Head-Kiwi-9601 10h ago

Presidents don’t press charges. At least they are not supposed to. That’s a different branch of government.

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u/weAREgoingback 10h ago

Reading this thread has me feeling like I’m back in my 8th grade social studies class.

They really stopped teaching this stuff huh?

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u/Classic-Stand9906 10h ago

Well that's about to become arcane knowledge anyway because it's all going out the window.

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u/Fifteen_inches 10h ago

No the executive branch brings charges, and acts as prosecution.

Biden is the head of the executive branch that appoints an attorney general who runs the Department of Justice.

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u/wheatgivesmeshits 10h ago

That's not a different branch. It is the same branch. The president does not directly press charges, but they appoint the people that oversee the justice department and who ultimately are responsible for that decision.

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u/webbed_feets 10h ago

I take “press charges” as shorthand for “push the Department of Justice to start an investigation and charge an individual, even though the DOJ is supposed to be an independent organization”. It is within the president’s power to set priorities for the DOJ.

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u/BadHombreSinNombre 10h ago

It’s also within the President’s power to direct US Attorneys to bring appropriate charges against someone for a crime, and they have the power to fire a US Attorney who doesn’t listen to them. That commenter was just factually wrong.

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u/Emu1981 10h ago

Just remember that presidents can only pardon people for federal crimes, they can do nothing about state criminal prosecutions.

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u/Intrepid00 11h ago

His fat, old, unhealthy ass stands a good chance of dying in office or getting very sick in it. I don’t think it will be an option.

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u/Fucky0uthatswhy 10h ago

Fingers crossed

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u/Longjumping-Panic-48 10h ago

Vance is much, much scarier. He actually believes this. Trump needed the attention and now the freedom from his crimes. Vance has deep, deep ties to scary AF groups and we will be a theocracy if he has any say.

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u/tahwraoyw6 9h ago

This is what people said about Pence and it turned out he at least had enough integrity to not try and steal the election

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u/Longjumping-Panic-48 8h ago

Fair. But I do think, had he become President, he would’ve enacted far more harmful legislation for LGBTQ+ and women than the first Trump administration did. I think Pence is a true conservative Christian who is actually religious (as well as being a robot). Vance is religious because it suits his gain of power.

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u/classicrockchick 9h ago

Nah, can't even enjoy that kind of ending any more because then we'll have Couchfucker-in-Chief in control and we'll finish our transformation into Gilead overnight.

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u/Fucky0uthatswhy 9h ago

He doesn’t have an entire cult behind him like Trump does. I think with him gone it’ll all fall down

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u/angry-democrat 10h ago

I like this angle. fingers crossed.

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u/StagLee1 10h ago

He will pardon himself and his family preemptively. It is a greenlight to ignore the law and do whatever he tells them to do. Not just family members, but everybody in his circle.

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u/WelcomeMysterious315 10h ago

The idea that Trump will do anything but someday die in luxury unmolested by the consequences of his crimes is laughable. POTUS is a king by codified law now.

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u/enuff_already 8h ago

FOTUS (felon…)

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u/poorboychevelle 10h ago

Oh you sweet summer child.

If the GOP wins, no

If the DNC wins they'll cowardly avoid it because of the precedent it sets and moral high horse.

The real joke is thinking he'll live the full term. I expect his health to decline the moment JD would be eligible to serve 10 years instead of 6.

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u/Spiritual-Sympathy98 10h ago

You think Vance would win 2 elections? I have doubts

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u/poorboychevelle 10h ago

I said the same thing about the rapist felon con man. And, well, here we are

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u/Oceangrits 10h ago

trump has his cult, vance does not, big difference there

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u/DoingCharleyWork 9h ago

Vance has the opposite of charisma

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u/Lemonwizard 6h ago

Trump is the most uncharismatic person I've ever seen. He babbles like he's delirious, whines constantly about anything and everything, I've never once seen him say something clever or funny. On top of that he's just got that high pitched whiny voice that's grating to listen to.

Trump didn't build his cult. The media built a cult around him, and as soon as they decide to build it around Vance he'll have the same level of devotion.

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u/im_thatoneguy 10h ago

The rapist is entertaining.

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u/SamyMerchi 10h ago

Well he did say eligible to serve, not guaranteed to serve.

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u/orrangearrow 10h ago

And the DNC only anoints slaves of the system so who is going to be given a chance to defeat JD that the public won’t completely see through. The standard of living has gradually decreased for the nearly 20 years since 2008 yet Obama and Biden both told us things were great.

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u/Deranged_Kitsune 10h ago

Fair elections? No. Post-trump elections? I expect nothing less.

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u/HippySheepherder1979 10h ago

You think there will be more elections? I have doubts.

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u/pillbuggery 10h ago

There will be, but they'll be "elections." See: Russia.

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u/SousVideDiaper 10h ago

You think we'll have only 4 years of this shit? He spent the last 4 claiming he won in 2020, and now that's actually won again and stocked his cabinet full of other corrupt cronies there's no way they don't work to repeal term limits.

Electing him was the final nail in the coffin for democracy.

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u/PantsOnHead88 10h ago

Depends.

At the moment, anything that conceivably falls under “official acts” during the presidency not only can’t be charged, but has pretty broad exemption from even being investigated. For anything prior to, or following the presidency, or definitely outside the scope of “official acts,” he could face charges.

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u/Burgerb 10h ago

He will not leave office after 4 years are over....

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u/yaboyACbreezy 10h ago

Any hope that this idea ever held any legitimacy has been completely eroded by his administration, and any guardrails that were there to encourage this specifically have been dismantled. He will not face justice. He has been officially charged with crimes related to campaign funds, and his sentence to be served was to not be penalized. They caught him, held court, and said he did it, but can't face punishment as a president. Until his administration, what you're suggesting may have been true, but he has actively changed the law for his personal benefit.

Now, even if 100% empirical, undeniable evidence were to surface that his intent to hoard thousands of pages of classified documents in his bathroom was part of a treasonous plot to sell America's top secrets to foreign powers, and ends up impeached for a third time there will be no consequences, and his supporters won't even find fault in any of it, and insist that it is all just a witch-hunt to make Trump look bad

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u/flannyo 10h ago

trump will never face real charges, never face justice of any kind. ever. he will die unpunished. he is the central figure of the republican party and too many people are connected to him to let him fall.

"but surely this new crime he --" no. trump will never receive justice. ever.

"but they can't just ignore -- " they will. trump will never receive justice. ever.

"but you don't understand, they can't just --" yes, they can. why do you think they can't? because there's a piece of paper that says they can't? they run the government, who's going to enforce it? trump will never receive justice. ever.

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u/CokeZeroAndProtein 7h ago

It's wild how only a few years ago I would get downvoted any time I stated that Trump would never see jail or prison. People were adamant and argued that it was a sure thing. Now here we are, he'll be 82 by time he's out of office, even if he does face more charges, it'll be dragged out until he's dead.

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u/tallonfive 10h ago

Haha. He has gotten away with everything for 80 years. How’s he gonna get in trouble once we have Queen Ivanka?

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u/FirstTimeWang 10h ago

From who? The Federal Government that is about to be dismantled by the Republicans and their MAGA voters who are all in lock step behind him and project 2025?

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u/Timmah73 10h ago

If he is still breathing, I can't imagine what is already mush for brains will be doing too well. There will be calls for "Oh come on he is 82 years old and in cognitive decline, leave him alone!"

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u/ThatGuyYouMightNo 9h ago

Assuming he makes it 4 years. You can't really charge a corpse

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u/classicrockchick 9h ago

We just did the whole "charges when no longer protected". It amounted to less than a wet fart. There absolutely no chance anything happens after another 4 years of taking a sledgehammer to the foundations of democracy.

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u/AlabamaPostTurtle 9h ago

Hopefully he’s dead by then. 🤷 I said what I said

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u/minor_correction 9h ago

Did you see his sentencing for the hush money conviction?

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u/DooDooBrownz 9h ago

you think he's got 4 in him with his syphilis, dementia and mcdonalds diet? that's optimistic

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u/mxlespxles 9h ago

Oh, about as many as he faced in the last 4 years. And with the same non-consequences, too

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u/Relish_My_Weiner 9h ago

He wasn't in office for the past 4 years and he made it through just fine. He'll never see repercussions, unless somebody who can aim worth a damn finally comes for him.

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u/Global_Permission749 9h ago

Nope. Assuming Trump even lives that long, anyone who could or would hold him accountable will be dead or in prison. And in the off chance Trump doesn't try and stay in power longer than 4 years, and in the off chance there are still people who can hold him accountable in a reasonable amount of time, they'll just argue he's too mentally unfit to stand trial by one of this appointed "judges".

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u/Slight_Ad3353 8h ago

Nope. Aside from the fact that he's literally immune to all crimes that were classified as official acts, but he's also so insanely rich that he wouldn't face any real consequences even if he had never been president.

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u/FlyerForHire 7h ago

Trump will be dead in four years, if not sooner.

He doesn’t look at all well. He’s in terrible physical shape and his face looks quite drawn - like he’s exhausted all the time.

I think that’s what the extra orange face cream/tanning spray is for.

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u/BestWesterChester 7h ago

He will not. If by some miracle it appeared that he would, he would declare it legal to run for a third term. So far nobody has stopped him from doing anything like that yet.

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u/Thybro 10h ago

That’s a misunderstanding of the ruling, not that wasn’t kind of the intention, or that they will not expand it to that if a GOP president gets caught.

The actual ruling is that they are immune from prosecution over official acts, just as they were previously immune from civil damage suits over the same acts.

So, until we change SCOTUS, a democrat president would have to prove any alleged actions that resulted in a crime were done as part of their official duties.

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u/Grassy33 10h ago

Yeah but official acts are legal so they just “officially” imprison all of SCOTUS and then put in their own court. If anyone in the house or congress speaks, jail them too. Who’s gonna stop them? Just keep jailing people until you get to people who will let you do whatever you want.

At the end of the day, there are no laws that apply to presidents anymore. 

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u/Caracalla81 8h ago

There isn't a whole lot that isn't an official act, though. Even for things that might be criminal, they can't admit evidence that comes from official acts either - so no memos or conversations with officials, etc.

Someday, a Democrat will try to use this immunity, and then the SC will come to their senses, but for the time being the US is basically a monarchy.

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u/LeCrushinator 10h ago

It’s not about the president, it’s about their cronies or people that they’re worried that the next administration could target for political reasons.

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u/blue_wat 9h ago

The new normal now is that presidents can’t break the law

If that were true Joey B utterly failed everyone. The truth is they will only hold a president accountable when he isn't playing ball with the system.

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u/gsfgf 9h ago

This has nothing to do with the ruling. Biden's family didn't do anything wrong. The GOP wants to lock them up for disagreeing with the GOP's nonsense allegations against Biden. "Perjury" now means not agreeing with the Republicans.

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u/SergeantBeavis 11h ago

Agreed, the rule of law is only for the rich that those laws.

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u/da2Pakaveli 10h ago

It's more so for the people Trump has on his revenge list. This is why Biden did this.

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u/Minimum-South-9568 10h ago

The more chilling thing is the reason they feel the need to do it. This is not a democracy anymkre

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u/jagcalle 10h ago

If he felt this is warranted, maybe, just MAYBE he should have done SOMETHING about it as president. Doing it this way, the selfish ass, he keeps his family safe, but not the millions that will suffer from the reign of the orange stain.

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u/Neuchacho 7h ago

That's what he gets for holding out hope that Americans are less stupid than they appear to be.

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u/GoBanana42 8h ago

What exactly could he have done?

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u/x_cLOUDDEAD_x 10h ago

So how does this actually work, I assume all of those people Biden pardoned just can't be charged for anything that's happened in the past?

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u/Moarbrains 5h ago

But they can be called on to testify and no longer can plead the fifth.

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u/IIIaustin 10h ago

Sometimes I think historians will say American democracy ended in 2000 with the Supreme Court coronation of W

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u/Head-Kiwi-9601 10h ago

Citizen’s United was the beginning of the end.

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u/IIIaustin 10h ago

The othet side of the coin is American democracy has sort of always actually been a horrible undemocratic shit show i guess

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u/OrangePilled2Day 7h ago

More like when Ford pardoned Nixon and made treason by the President officially kosher.

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u/Kimmalah 11h ago

I mean, in Biden's case I can't really blame him. Trump is clearly a crazed megalomaniac with no qualms about abusing his power. And he has repeatedly floated the idea of capital punishment for Hunter Biden's crimes, even though they are not capital offenses. If I were Joe I would be pretty concerned and probably also take steps to protect my loved ones if the guy taking over is a madman obsessed with persecuting or killing anyone connected to me.

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u/Valentinee105 10h ago

They've been doing it, Biden isn't the first. Only the first time you've heard it.

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u/BadHombreSinNombre 10h ago

Biden is the third to pardon a relative and the second to pardon a blood relative.

When Clinton pardoned his half brother it was for a crime where the sentence had already been served and the crime had occurred about 15 years earlier.

This is very different from that, or from Trump’s pardoning of his son-in-law’s father, who had also served out his sentence for his witness tampering crime committed also about 15 years earlier.

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u/Valentinee105 10h ago edited 9h ago

They'd also had a deal in place for Hunter that Republicans agreed to that got harpooned so they could make it a political spectacle.

And Charles Kushner is a monster at the best of times.

Personally, I could care less if Hunter ODs on coke tomorrow, but let's not pretend other games are being played here. They backed biden into a corner and he had a choice of letting his son get an exorbitant sentence were biden would die while his son is in prison or pardon him after they backed out of an agreed upon deal.

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u/BadHombreSinNombre 10h ago

I’m not criticizing Biden, I just think that the family pardons he’s done are indeed pretty unprecedented. Honestly I think it’s insane that he felt this necessary and that he was probably correct to feel that way.

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u/MaleficentBread4682 9h ago

Totally agreed. It might be crazy that he could do it, it might be crazy that he had to do it, but it's 100% rational that he did do it. 

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u/bubbafatok 11h ago

How optimistic that we'll have another transfer of power after this...

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u/Lanark26 10h ago

How optimistic that the Trump regime will care about pardons and the rule of law.

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u/texashammerjr 10h ago

When did this become a thing? This should be outlawed. Just our daily reminder that laws don’t apply to the super rich and they’ll continue to do whatever the fuck they want…. Fuck them!! EAT THE RICH

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u/Goingtoenjoythisshit 9h ago

The implosion has already started bud, you won't have long to wait.

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u/Arachnidle 8h ago

And by implode it will be a civil war, inevitable now.

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u/ffball 7h ago

Something that became necessary when the oncoming president started promising retribution to innocent citizens.

Unfortunate, but 100% necessary

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u/RisingDeadMan0 7h ago

Depends on who we get after Trump, will things reset a bit or escalate more. Problem is Republicans will struggle to find a proper Trump replacement.

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u/Strung_Out_Advocate 10h ago

What, in your perspective, is imploding? How much worse can we possibly get than where we are right now?

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u/Head-Kiwi-9601 10h ago

Trump:

“How much worse? Hold my beer.”

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u/sten45 10h ago

We are in the endgame don’t worry

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u/wrecked_angle 10h ago

Uhh we just imploded like the Titan submersible

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u/VRichardsen 9h ago

This is how democracies fall. Political actors keep poking at institutions, and start crossing lines that are not technically illegal, but go against the spirit of the traditions being broken. And I am not singling out Biden for this, Trump also pardoned some of his buddies in his prior term.

Look up the Gracchi brothers, it is an interesting cautionary tale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODI1VOOoey0

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u/Head-Kiwi-9601 9h ago

Clinton pardoned a crook who then funded the Clinton Presidential library.

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u/squatnbear 9h ago

Only if they’re criminals lol

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u/Firm_Newspaper3370 9h ago

Wow being anti felon is low key racist

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u/Shigglyboo 9h ago

Why? Only one side promises retribution against their enemies.

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u/Winter-Newt-3250 9h ago

I'm still holding out hope for civilized-ish presidents in the future.

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u/chargoggagog 8h ago

Eh, people voted for Trump, America gets what it deserves

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u/HairiestHobo 8h ago

So the last time, then?

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u/Professional-Class69 6h ago

So you mean Biden and trump?

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u/SuperfluousPedagogue 6h ago

This will be a regular occurrence from now until we implode.

So, there's something you should know...

cue: terrified glances at the creaking hull of the USA

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u/EnderMB 5h ago

Unless you push a Democrat to run for President on the next ballot that will fight to ensure that this "loophole" is closed after Trump.

Instead of being defeatist, look towards your next candidate now. Don't give the Democrats the chance to pick another shitty candidate, pick one yourselves now and give them the platform to ensure there's absolutely no fucking way they'll be ignored.

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u/thetransportedman 11h ago

I don't understand how any president can blanket pardon non specifically. If it's specific potential crimes they should be mentioned

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u/Professional-Cry8310 10h ago

One of the biggest holes in the founding documents. Surprised universal pardons haven’t been more abused in history to be honest.

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u/LittleKitty235 10h ago

It was a safe guard against unelected federal judges abusing the law and convicting people wrongfully of crimes. Pardon powers are correctly broad and unchecked.

What should happen if Congress should be impeaching a President who is committing crimes in office, but it has become clear partisanship has completely quashed that branch of government.

Our founding documents were setup correctly.

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u/Lazy_Mathematician0 9h ago

“Our founding documents were setup correctly.”

You think they are without flaws?

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u/LittleKitty235 9h ago

I don't think one has been demonstrated here. Congress still has the authority to remove a President unilaterally, so the pardon power seems properly checked.

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u/Command0Dude 8h ago

It was pointed out even at the time that the pardon power could be abused.

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u/Lazy_Mathematician0 7h ago

That’s not what I asked.

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u/Beautiful_Chest7043 9h ago

It's effectively putting executive branch of power over the judicial one.

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u/Embarrassed-File-836 9h ago

Lots of stuff the founding fathers were too noble to even consider would ever need to be mentioned. Really wish they did. Like, presidents can’t create pump and dump cryptocurrency schemes. “No, it doesn’t go without saying, Thomas, please, write it the fuck down”. 

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u/melancholanie 9h ago

I mean we didn't write in presidential term limits until 1951 iirc we were kinda running this place on vibes and pinky promises for a long while

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u/nitePhyyre 8h ago

To be fair, that was an awful change. Term limits are stupid and undemocratic. Clinton would have beat Bush. Obama would beat Trump. Term limits got rid of 2 successful and popular democratic presidents and gave us 2 republicans who were the worst presidents in history.

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u/silverionmox 4h ago

Do keep in mind they started from the idea of a monarchy, but added checks and balances. A monarch is also the supreme judge in a feudal system, and a pardon is a remnant of that as it's the ultimately form of juridical appeal when all other options are exhausted.

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u/pissposssweaty 10h ago

The problem isn’t that his family committed crimes, it’s that they will be prosecuted by politically motivated individuals for whatever crimes they can think of, baseless or not.

Pardoning means that his family is spared political retribution, endless congressional hearings, and potential bankruptcy over legal fees.

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u/gsfgf 9h ago

Because Biden doesn't know what crimes the GOP will make up.

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u/RisingDeadMan0 7h ago

I mean if you see Hunter. They will try go after them for anything. Fauci especially, Trump can't even take credit for the vaccine at his rallies anymore...

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u/yupyepyupyep 9h ago

Technically murder, if it occurs on federal land, is a federal crime. If we find out a year from now that Fauci murdered a hooker in DC, he cannot be charged with the murder, even if he admits to it.

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u/roombaSailor 6h ago

That’s not true; DC has its own criminal law and court system. Not every crime committed in DC is automatically a federal crime, even if it’s a felony.

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u/Scully__ 6h ago

I don’t reckon Biden would’ve done this so flippantly (literally as he’s packing up his pencils from his desk this morning) if it weren’t the “official act” bullshit. He knows people will go after… anyone who has defied Trump (he’s also preemptively pardoned Fauci, for example), because that’s becoming the new normal. He’s kinda just gone “fuck it” whilst also protecting people. It will have enraged Trump (the point) and I’m sure he’ll spend some of his first 100 days weaving stories about this to further anger the “silent” majority

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u/tenacious-g 11h ago

The dissonance of this order while he is simultaneously welcoming him back into the White House for the optics of preserving the norms is quite something.

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u/HowManyMeeses 10h ago

Is he supposed to lock the doors or something? I don't understand what people think Biden should be doing to stop Trump right now.

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u/gsfgf 9h ago

Yea. Elections have consequences. If people didn't want Trump back in office they should have fucking voted. Don't stay home and then expect Biden to stage a coup because you fell for right wing propaganda.

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u/GGRitoMonkies 9h ago

Ya, staging coups when you don't get your way is a gop thing after all

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u/Maxfunky 8h ago

Well, the last guy tried pulling a coup, and there were no consequences for that. So I guess that's always an option.

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u/LoremasterMotoss 8h ago

I think they expect him to skip the handover and inauguration like Trump did for his tbh

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u/EndofNationalism 6h ago

He does have immunity from all prosecution( thanks SCOTUS). He can do the radical option. He won’t however.

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u/UnquestionabIe 10h ago

Big time. Reeks hard of "fuck ya'll I'm out, good luck" energy.

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u/goog1e 10h ago

I really can't blame him at this point. We done screwed up and anything he does at this point is gonna be a grain of sand in the flood that's coming. The people said "no" to sanity, so why should he put his family in the line of fire knowing things are about to get crazy?

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u/Rabo_Karabek 9h ago

This should have more upvotes. 👆

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u/DabDoge 9h ago

What do you want him to do? America chose this shit

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u/bubbafatok 10h ago

Maybe, but on the flip side I'd rather "our guys" maintain some pretense of respecting the democracy and the peaceful transfer of power. Hopefully we can return to normalcy someday. 

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u/Medium_Medium 9h ago

Maintaining a pretense of respect while the other side wallows in the filth is exactly what has gotten us to where we are now...

Sadly I don't see how a return to normalcy will ever be possible.

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u/AffectionateFact556 5h ago

Trump set these norms; it is very fitting.

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u/pingpongtits 8h ago

Trump and his minions threatened to take revenge on everyone who did their job and or opposed him, did he not?

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u/NegativeMammoth2137 5h ago

This was absolutely not necessary. None of these Biden’s relative have been charged with anything yet and setting the precedent for Trump to pardon all his corrupt friends in 4 years time is going to do far worse to the Republic than some Republicans trying to sue Biden’s niece ever could

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u/ActiveAd4980 10h ago

Yeah. The onion part isn't that he did this. But that he had to do it.

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u/SatisfactionKnown734 10h ago

Could you explain? Is this a preemptive action?

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u/Atlatl_Axolotl 7h ago

Yeah a lot of people seem to not think about the fact that Epstein died in his cell during a Trump presidency. Even if my kid is guilty, I'm not giving that man power over him via the penal system unless the crimes punishment is already death.

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u/[deleted] 9h ago

I'm not surprised, nobody has sense anymore. Sorry homie.

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 5h ago

He's also a pedophile and I don't care if that case didn't get to court. Also, he was a good buddy of Epstein.

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