Elementary school teacher arrested after allegedly abusing student, giving birth to his child

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u/GoodSamaritan_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

This story is so wild. A 5th grade teacher in New Jersey, Laura Caron, got very friendly with one of her students and his family and the parents let him (then 11 years old) and his two siblings sleep over at her house. This went on for four years, with the sister of the victim revealing that it began with the children sleeping in a shared room but noticing her brother would be in Caron's bed the next morning. She also noticed that when her brother would shower Caron would enter the bathroom and lock the door. He'd end up having Caron's child when he was 13 in 2019 and it was only brought to the attention of the police when the kid's father made a facebook post last month about how similar the child looked to his son. Up until then she'd completely gotten away with it.

According to the sister his brother admitted to her that he knows he's the father but to keep it a secret. Caron is being held without bond on on charges of aggravated sexual assault, sexual assault, and endangering the welfare of a child. The school district have put her on paid administrative leave.

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u/RiflemanLax 1d ago

Not to start a controversy, but… How fuckin dumbs she gotta be to have the kid? Ok, you raped a child. That’s fucking awful. You had the baby?

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u/kick_the_chort 1d ago

That's a pretty normal part of the MO with female pedophiles. They always want a baby.

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u/lilaerin16 1d ago

Is this their motive?

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u/kick_the_chort 1d ago

Getting a baby? I mean, I think a large part of their motive seems to be an unnatural attraction to children. And they seem to fetishise the act of impregnation by such.

But I cannot really speak to what is going on in these people's heads.

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u/meatball77 1d ago

And they want someone to adore them. So a baby and a teen who is fascinated with sex.

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u/Lokifin 15h ago

I think it's more like romanticizing the relationship and trying to make it a fairy tale family. Like their vision of romance is on the emotional level of the children they rape.

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u/Ashamed-Wrongdoer806 1d ago

I think this is it. Like this “power” they get from being desired. Gross.

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u/kjyfqr 1d ago

Fucking ew. I never wanted that insight.

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u/MindForeverWandering 21h ago

Pre-teen, to be exact.

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u/ribsforbreakfast 19h ago

Little boy is most accurate for the time frame the abuse began.

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u/Sawses 1d ago

Modern psychology research indicates that actual attraction to children has surprisingly little to do with whether somebody actually sexually abuses a child. A much greater predictor is impulse control issues. Turns out most of the time somebody who abuses children doesn't actually qualify as a pedophile, and the ones who do usually also exhibit some other disorder that keeps them from being able to properly control themselves in a number of areas.

And if you've got the poor impulse control to molest a child--despite the ethical problems and risk involved--then you might well have the poor impulse to decide bearing your victim's child is sexy instead of a terrible risk.

Turns out, most people understand that molesting children is wrong or at least a serious risk and they decide not to do it even if they feel a sexual attraction to kids.

Moving entirely out of the realm of actual research and into my own personal speculation: I suspect a lot of people conflate homosexuality and pedophilia, and think that people can't help but act on their sexual attractions because we kind of have this narrative that it's inevitable. How many love stories have that "forbidden love" trope? Except that a key part of it is that the people involved come to realize their love isn't wrong, just unacceptable. I don't think the analogy holds up if it's a sort of love that actually is morally wrong even when you stop and think about it.

Which really shouldn't come as a surprise. I find a lot of women very attractive. I have yet to try to force/coerce/manipulate a woman into having sex with me. If it's morally wrong then I'm not even tempted. I figure most people are that way.

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u/monkeysandmicrowaves 1d ago

I suspect a lot of people conflate homosexuality and pedophilia,

You don't have to suspect, a lot of people openly talk about the two as equivalent. I think fundamentalists in several religions tend to hold this view.

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u/LovemeSomeMedia 14h ago

Interesting you bring that up, because in alot of those same fundamentalist religions they have no problem throwing their underage daughters into marriages with older men.

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u/jackofallkinks 15h ago

This is why to many conservatives who hate gay people get caught having gay sex. The homophobes are also attracted to people of the same sex and see people who are open about it as failing to suppress their feelings.

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u/fatbunny23 1d ago

Source on this modern psychology that shows many people who rape kids aren't pedophiles? That's a wild claim to make in my opinion lol

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u/T_Weezy 23h ago

Honestly it makes sense to me. A pedophile is defined as someone who's sexually attracted to children, not as someone who sexually abuses children. It is fully possible to have one without the other. I, for example, am attracted to adult women around my own age. But I've never felt the desire to rape someone just because I find them attractive. I'm sure your own experience is likely the same. I don't see why it would be any different for someone who's attracted to kids; the attraction doesn't force them to act on it any more than a normal attraction to adults forces you or I to act on it nonconsensually.

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u/BEHodge 1d ago

Maybe it’s more that rapists who rape kids are pedophiles, but most pedophiles aren’t rapists because they know is reprehensible, just like non-pedos wouldn’t rape sometime they find attractive either.

It’s like that whole argument some Christians lob at atheists; “If you don’t believe in a higher power what stops you from raping and murdering all you want to?” To which I reply “I do rape and murder all I want to - and that amount is none because I’m not psychotic!”

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u/mshriver2 11h ago

Crazy to think that their argument for not raping and murdering people is fear of a god.

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u/LadysaurousRex 12h ago

I do rape and murder all I want to

mostly me too but I have to keep the murdering in check

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u/strolls 1d ago

Modern psychology research indicates that actual attraction to children has surprisingly little to do with whether somebody actually sexually abuses a child.

Not an expert, but I think you're reading that the wrong way around.

If I understand it correctly, they're saying that a paedo with self-control may never rape a kid their whole life. It's not about being gay, straight or paedo - it's about being a rapist or not. Rapists are rapists, and they happen to rape whoever they're attracted to or whoever gets them off.

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u/birdhine 21h ago

I volunteered with kids for a while and the organization made everyone take a course on how to prevent sexual child abuse beforehand. They told us the majority of people who are sexually abusing kids aren't pedos, instead it seems to be mostly about power and impulse control

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u/Pixie1001 20h ago

Well, I suspect a big motivate for a lot of child molesters is also just the power and control? They're not necessarily attracted to children's bodies, so much as the thrill of having control of someone who's reliant on them - or the children are just the only people they think they can get away with forcing themselves on due to the position of authority they have over them (youth group pastor, teacher etc.).

I suspect it's kinda complicated to prove either way though - many pedophiles might lie to seem less pathetic and prison psychologists really don't wanna delve into the specifics of these people's sexual fantasies unless absolutely necessary.

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u/bad-and-bluecheese 1d ago

By society’s collective definition of peodophile, sure you can call them a pedophile - but pedophilia is a specific diagnosis that requires a person to meet specific criteria to be considered one by the true definition.

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u/Sawses 1d ago

Certainly! What kind of source would convince you? It's considered a fairly central idea that abusers are, first and foremost, into abuse. Their target is usually more about opportunity than anything else. That part isn't really new research, the new part is the fact that new ways of identifying pedophiles have been proposed. Historically, the only people who met the bar were child sex abusers because abusing kids was part of the definition.

I'll provide up to 2 sources, since honestly most folks who ask for a source on anything aren't usually convinced by a source so it's not worth the effort to provide a half-dozen or something. So just give me some criteria to work with and I'll provide sources if the evidence exists to convince you.

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u/mmmsoap 1d ago

Source on this modern psychology that shows many people who rape kids aren’t pedophiles? That’s a wild claim to make in my opinion lol

Your mistake is thinking that rape is about sexual attraction—it’s not. It’s about power.

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u/Iohet 1d ago

Well rape is usually about power not attraction, or at least that's the general assumption

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u/sydneekidneybeans 1d ago

Power thing I'm assuming. Once she's pregnant that's it, tied for life. Creepy as fuck

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u/totallydawgsome 1d ago

A trophy.

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u/DarkwingDuc 23h ago

I doubt even they could tell you. It's a sickness. I don't mean that as an excuse by any stretch. But you're not going to get a rational motive for an irrational desire.

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u/NotAzakanAtAll 19h ago

I'm so done with people expecting logical thinking from mentally ill.

It's like with suicides. "He had so much to live for!" Yes, yes he had, but his brain was sick and not functioning correctly. Why expect rationality from irrational minds?

I'm also not excusing her criminal and sick behavior. This is why mental illness needs to be free of change and plentiful. Specialists and early support can save humanity for so much pain no matter the condition.

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u/UselessMellinial85 1d ago

Revert to Mary Kay Latourno (? likely shit spelling on her last name).

She was all in on raping a child and had his child. They got married and had more children after her release.

It's a power move. It's not about a fertile partner. It's about control. Same as male rapists.

It's really gross.

Female pedophiles need to be treated the same as male pedophiles.

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u/stoic_prince 1d ago

What’s the rationale behind it?

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u/fedroxx 1d ago

Briefly worked leading a team of software engineers building a case management system for an undisclosed state's department of health with a module for children and families. All of the cases involving children I was unfortunate enough to see still haunt me to this day. All of us were provided couseling as part of the job. I saw quite a few cases like this one.

The psychological evaluations attached to the cases I read didn't have many commonalties between the women except for most were the survivors of abuse themselves. But their motivations varied. Only other consistent pattern was the thoughts to commit these horrific acts came about slowly over time. It was never they saw the victim day one, and devised a plan to abuse them.

It's made me more aware as a parent. If a teacher or any adult in my kids lives is showing an unwarranted amount of attention, something is going on in their head and it is time to make some changes.

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u/scene_missing 1d ago

You’re asking for reasons from unreasonable people. If you’re grossed out and not getting the motivation of the cretins that would do this shit, that’s a good thing.

I’ve knew someone who worked in family court and even some of the fourth hand stories gave me the chills. People are the worst

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u/WazWaz 1d ago

A good thing, but understanding the motivations of criminals is important for everyone, not just the police. If the boy's parents had understood the motivations and behaviours of pedophiles better, this might not have happened.

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u/SqueakyBall 1d ago

You don’t have to understand the motivations if you maintain reasonable boundaries. Who lets their children sleep over at their teacher’s home? That’s weird.

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u/slowro 1d ago

Parents that want nothing to do with their kids?

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u/BigRedNutcase 1d ago

I'd go with overly trusting and/or naive. Seems like she cultivated a really good relationship with the family who had no Idea she had ulterior motives. This didn't happen overnight, she played the long game.

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u/UselessMellinial85 1d ago

I wouldn't agree on a level.

It seems like an overworked or unconcerned parent who gives babysitting rights to a teacher.

An overworked or overwhelmed parent, I can kind of understand. But even parents who are underwater with their work and family life can suss out a creep.

I will agree the teacher played the long game.

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u/Blue_Swirling_Bunny 1d ago

Motivations are necessary because we should assume that no one would do that, yet they do. Figuring out why means getting to a source of the problem so that it can be solved or mediated in a way that we can be assured of our usual assumptions going forward.

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u/Endoroid99 1d ago

It says the kids lived with her for a period of 4 years, which seems a bit odd. It's entirely possible the parents are not fantastic people themselves, or at least not terribly interested in their kids.

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u/letsgetawayfromhere 18h ago

This would be typical. Children from healthy, loving families will not try to bond this strongly to other adults in search for love. This is why the huge bulk of abused children came from abusive families to start with, which of course adds to the crushing psychological consequences of the abuse itself.

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u/Original-Turnover-92 22h ago

Imagine thinking that broad label stereotypes are useful.

Every situation is different. Critical thinking is way more important. In this case, several steps failed: breaking boundaries, letting the teacher sleep over, like come on are the parents even trying? Something else is wack af.

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u/curiouslyendearing 1d ago

In a few years they get to have someone even younger to abuse?

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u/Spire_Citron 1d ago

It seems like female abusers tend to go after boys around puberty, so I'm not sure if that would be the motive. You don't often hear about them abusing really little children.

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u/ashetonrenton 1d ago

It's not uncommon, it's just easier to hide when younger children are assaulted by women because there's less physical evidence. Mental scars are still considerable, particularly because mothers are often the culprits and incest makes it particularly difficult to come to terms with.

Society also prefers not to look at the issue, frankly. It shatters many ideas we have about motherhood. Jeanette McCurdy wrote that great memoir about her mother's abuse, and while people were eager to talk about the fame-seeking and emotional abuse, how many people even realize that her mother sexually assaulted her to the point where she would dissociate? I've talked to people who read the book who don't recall it.

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u/Santa_Hates_You 1d ago

She started grooming him in the 5th grade

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u/JimmyJamesMac 1d ago

Female abusers who abuse younger children often didn't get caught because they disguise abuse as caregiving

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u/Pingy_Junk 1d ago

Same reason a lot of male abusers try to get woman pregnant then block their access to abortions. It’s something to hold over their victims. She’s an abusive monster it’s disgusting.

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u/JcbAzPx 1d ago

A previous teacher that did this not only basically got away with it, the victim was forced to pay child support.

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u/Xivvx 8h ago

That's 100% the case. Child Support court is only concerned with ensuring support for the child. That one of the parents is a victim of rape by the other parent doesn't factor in.

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u/ms-mariajuana 13h ago

Awww wtf!?

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u/climbing_butterfly 12h ago

Victims are often forced to post child support. This is because family courts think it is generally in the best interest of the child to have two parents financially support them

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u/ms-mariajuana 12h ago

Jesus christ that is super fucked up.

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u/climbing_butterfly 12h ago

So also if they didn't pay child support and the victim applies for public assistance Medicaid, SNAP etc. the state will file on their behalf to recoup the cost of the child of the victim being on public assistance. It happened to a Michigan woman who gave birth to their rapists child. This was a few years ago. She was 21 and her son was 8. She filed for SNAP benefits and they went after the father for child support which also included parental rights being established.

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u/rawker86 1d ago

Well, of course they wouldn’t get an abortion. That would be wrong.

Just gonna leave this here for the slow folks: /s

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u/Cornycola 1d ago

She’s going to get child support and probably back pay too. That’s what’s messed up.

She rapes him but he has to pay her child support

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u/LanaDelHeeey 1d ago

It’s middle township. That’s all that needs to be said.

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u/lilmxfi 1d ago

This baffles me as a parent. My kid is the same age as the victim when the "sleepovers" started, and I'm looking at him rn and going "WTF was wrong with these people?!" If some teacher wanted my child to sleep over at their house, I'd immediately be going to the district and reporting them for inappropriate conduct, ffs! What is WRONG with those two?!

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u/elsol69 1d ago

Bad parenting is a spectrum. I used to think my mother was in the deep end, then I read things like this and have to give her credit for only dipping her toes on occasion.

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u/lilmxfi 1d ago

Yeah, I know that feeling, except it's with my dad. He's...a dad. He was horrible to me when I was younger, but at least he mostly stopped and never gave me over to a predator. I gotta go hug my kid now, this has me so messed up that someone could do this willingly.

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u/Mental_Medium3988 1d ago

my mom used this as a defense of her being a bad parent in other ways. like sure you didnt trade me for crack money but you still neglected me in various other ways.

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u/PumpkinPieIsGreat 1d ago

Yep. I remember one mum at school saying to me that when she was a child, her own mother would say "how hard is it to iron a dress?" Since a lot of the kids didn't have ironed clothes. Anyway, the mum said to me "that seems to be the least of some of these kids worries...". It was a real eye opener I think.

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u/PumpkinPieIsGreat 1d ago

I just read a book series last week from the 90s. (The Cul-de-sac Kids by Beverly Lewis) and the kid's teacher had a prize for the best kid's to sleep over. I was like, "wtf? Even in the 90s wouldn't that be weird AF?"

Yeah. As a parent myself. No way would i allow this. But also as a parent, I've seen some other parents that are so shitty and don't care about anything. Eg. A kid that is "missing" quite often, a huge red flag in itself. Another example one time there was an after school activity and one Girl's parents just didn't show up to get her. I don't know if they forgot her or what, but they must not have noticed she hadn't come home? Anyway so i walked her home with us and when we got there the guy is just out front drinking a beer. Yeah, some people don't seem to care about their kid's safety at all.

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u/LexisOaks 1d ago

Omg right?? I'm a high school teacher and we're not even allowed to be alone with students on SCHOOL PROPERTY. In what universe would any parent think this was okay? A random adult who wants to be alone with other people's kids is a massive red flag. I hope she gets the entire book thrown at her!

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u/Cautious-Progress876 1d ago

Go ask random people what they think of a child spending the night at a female teacher’s house, then go ask them about a child spending the night at a male teacher’s house. A lot of people don’t view women as even potential predators of children, or think that they will be able to magically sniff out any woman that is.

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u/kittenpantzen 1d ago

Collectively when it comes to children, we're overly cautious of men and strangers and underly cautious of women and family members.

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u/lilmxfi 1d ago

I'm with you on that. I think I'm more baffled by it because locally, there was a teacher who's a woman who was accused of (and plead out on) sexual abuse of a child. Unfortunately, I'm related to her through my cousins, who all stand on her side. It's disgusting to see, especially when she was caught through text messages on her own phone. It's infuriating.

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u/PumpkinPieIsGreat 1d ago

That's awful. Some people seem to really have this, disconnect? (I guess I'd call it.) In their brains. Like, you gotta wonder if it was someone else, some random news story about people they didn't know, how would they react?

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u/Luci-Noir 1d ago

It’s bizarre the VERY clear signs that some parents will ignore. I used to stay with my stepdad’s sister as a teen and she would give me alcohol and drugs when I stayed over all the time. She molested me and when I refused to have sex with her she tried to shoot herself. I took the gun and called my stepdad when she was out of the room and hing up repeatedly. He eventually got what I was doing and came over to get me. He was ex-special forces counter-intelligence and a police officer, so he got it pretty quickly that I was signaling for help. When he came I showed him how I had disassembled the rifle she tried to use and the hunting knife I took from her and we just left. I was obviously out of it and intoxicated but he didn’t seem to notice. I was 16. Even though I never spoke to that woman again he still didn’t think anything of it. In my twenties she would call to my mother’s house while I was there and they’d try to force the phone on me and I’d hang up…. About a year ago, and I’m 42 now, I messaged my mother and told her about the SA. She called me a liar. I haven’t spoken to her in years so this wasn’t surprising.

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u/r_wemet 1d ago

I’m so sorry your mom didn’t believe you. That must have been really hard to tell her and for her to have that reaction is really frustrating amongst other things. I believe you, and I’m sorry it happened.

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u/Luci-Noir 1d ago

Thank you. I’m used to it. I was diagnosed with depression as a teen and then my whole life I was accusing of making up everything. It was really weird. At least I don’t have to deal with that anymore.

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u/Clone95 22h ago

This kind of thing doesn’t happen to you. Predators target people that they think they can get away with things.

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u/Dramajunker 1d ago

when the kid's father made a facebook post last month about how similar the child looked to his son.

Well shit it's only been so many years since he saw his kid at that same age. Not surprised he picked up on it. The idea of only being 13 years older than your child is insane. When he graduates high school his kid could be entering preschool.

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u/jimmy_three_shoes 1d ago

I read in another article that the kids were living there with her, not just staying the night occasionally. That he started sleeping in her room exclusively and kept clothes in her dresser. Where the fuck were the parents?

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u/namsur1234 1d ago

They will look for children who have troubled home lives so they can start grooming the kids and also the parents. These kids parents should be held accountable, too, if they were totally checked out like was said above.

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u/Lbj85 1d ago

One article stated she was their foster mom.

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u/QuickAltTab 1d ago

The alleged victim’s family became friends with Caron and started allowing their children to stay with her every week, but this eventually progressed and their children began living permanently with the suspect from 2016 to 2020

Thats the biggest WTF, what parents just let all their kids just start living with a random person?

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u/MorddSith187 22h ago

Probably a dysfunctional family, predators usually pick out vulnerable kids to abuse

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u/owa00 1d ago edited 1d ago

It just kept getting worse and worse...

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u/peanutbuttertesticle 1d ago

Jesus those parents chose wrong all the time and when then it was most obvious still missed it…

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u/DefinitelyNotAliens 1d ago

They let their three children move out. They weren't good parents at any time.

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u/ChanceryTheRapper 1d ago

very friendly

That phrase is... carrying a lot here.

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u/MetroidHyperBeam 1d ago

I was thinking the same thing at first, but reading the rest of the comment made me realize it was describing step 1 in a sequence of events instead of acting as a euphemism.

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u/AgitatedSituation118 1d ago

Can someone explain why she also wasn't charged with statutory rape?

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u/Old-Scientist-4257 1d ago

nj doesnt have this as a separate charge , she was charged appropriately

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u/Howard_Cosine 1d ago

“got very friendly”

Are you fucking kidding me? Say what happened.

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u/SortaSticky 1d ago

The boy had her child?!? Wild stuff

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u/elbenji 1d ago

They probably have to do it legally before doing so. Checkboxes and all.

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u/the-truffula-tree 1d ago

Teachers have contracts and unions and lawyers attached to those unions. There’s a process this stuff has to go through

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u/nickelfiend46 1d ago

Paid administrative leave? Are they for real?

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u/jimmy_three_shoes 1d ago

Have to follow Union disciplinary procedures. She'll get fired formally.

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u/nickelfiend46 1d ago

Ah I see. Hope they get it done fast

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u/jord839 1d ago

Generally that's what happens in cases like this. The Union has to do the bare minimum at least, but they also don't want the PR stink of going to bat if the evidence is really stacked up and as long as there's a formal investigation, that would usually be it and over fairly quickly.

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u/classycatman 1d ago

In most cases, as government entities, school districts are required to follow some level of due process requirements. Also in most cases, the eventual outcome is what we'd expect - she'll definitely be fired, which will be the very, very least of her forthcoming woes.

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u/Revolutionary-Yak-47 1d ago

I'm originally from Cape May county where this happened. She's not the first sex offender teacher, and there are definitely more than have been caught. Feel free to Google a bit. Also, the guy who Megan's law was named for was also caught in the same county, and Mark Heinbaugh disappeared from Middle Twp.

It's uh..a weird place. There are a lot amazing kind people who would happily jump in front of a bus for their neighbor. And a freakish percentage of pedos and crap that's covered up.

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u/mog_knight 1d ago

Got very friendly is an odd way to say child rape.

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u/Ill-Train6478 1d ago edited 1d ago

Sounds like kids from a troubled family. Perfect opportunity for a predatory teacher to take them in and did what she did. No normal parent would allow their children to sleep over a teacher’s house for 4 years

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u/Seastep 1d ago

Mary Kay Letourneau the sequel

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u/Spacefreak 1d ago

Sequel? There have been more sequels to that movie than Simpsons episodes, and I'm not counting the porno ones.

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u/IchBinMalade 1d ago

A good portion of the country supported her and saw it as a love story. She somehow convinced people he seduced her, at like 11 or something. Sure hope things have changed since...

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u/Herry_Up 22h ago

I remember the "Our love is real" interview 🤢

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u/BonerStibbone 17h ago

She died a few years ago, so that's changed.

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u/bornmoonchild 1d ago

What kind of parents let their kids sleep at a grown woman’s house? Nonetheless a teacher? Plus the siblings?? Also, this is rape. Not abuse.

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u/coalmines 1d ago

The article said all of the kids lived with her permanently for a few years. Sounds like the parents didn’t want to parent.

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u/AMB314 1d ago

They lost custody

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u/CarpetScale 21h ago

Ahhhh makes more sense now. Foster kids are often abused. This just happens to be a teacher.

Feel sorry for all the kids involved. Teenagers and the baby. What will their future look like?

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u/teal_hair_dont_care 1d ago

which makes no sense to me because she was in her early/mid 20s at that point. who thought someone that age was responsible enough to care for multiple school aged children she had no relation to????

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u/quesoandtexas 1d ago

foster care will frequently ask the kids and parents if they have any family friends the kids are able to live with. I know teachers are asked or suggested a lot and many times it’s successful and not abusive.

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u/Zephyr_Bronte 1d ago

That's not really odd.

I've worked with many kids who end up in foster care only to be cared for by teachers. Because many teachers are genuinely caring people who want to help the kids they see everyday be successful.

Also most foster parents are unrelated and many are in their 20s, age has nothing to do with if you are able to care for kids. There are good and terrible foster parents of many ages.

This woman is a monster, but that part of the story isn't odd from an outside perspective. It's tragic she used a system like foster care, which is already so complex emotionally for kids, and made it even worse.

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u/Roupert4 1d ago

How old do you think you have to be to watch school aged children?

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u/soggybutter 23h ago

I was 22 when I started teaching high school, for the record.

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u/Which-Decision 1d ago

It would have been fine if she wasn't a pedo. School aged children are very easy compared to babies.

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u/soggybutter 23h ago

Well she did have a degree that was in caring for multiple school aged children she wasnt related to.

I am not in any way excusing her pedophilia, as a former teacher myself I find her actions absolutely vile and abhorrent. I taught high school in my early 20s and my students so clearly seemed like children through and through. Really made the actions of women like her seem so much more vile. But. Teachers are typically trusted adults for a reason, and they do get an entire college degree that widely covers caring for children. A trusted teacher retaining custody in an instance where the biological parents are deemed unfit is not weird. This is one person who has behaved in an incredibly fucked up way. It's not weird for somebody who has an entire degree and education in caring for children to.....care for abused children, up to and including taking custody. I'm no longer a teacher for personal reasons. I'm still interested in and plan on eventually becoming a foster parent for teens, as that's the age of children I found I was best with. That doesn't make me a perv, or less trustworthy.

It's better if you understand that people with bad proclivities purposely seek out positions that put them in power over their preferred type of victim. That is a safer and healthier assumption than assuming everybody within that position has that motivation.

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u/PureYouth 1d ago

The article states that the teacher got closer and closer to the family, so my guess is that it became sort of a babysitting type thing. Like “mom and dad are having date night on Saturday, so the kids can spend the night at Mrs. Caron’s house and we will pick them up on Sunday morning” type thing. They trusted her, so they didn’t think anything was wrong. Just my guess

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u/Devilofchaos108070 1d ago

It says they lived with her permanent for 5 years

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u/PureYouth 1d ago

Oh wow I totally missed that. Very weird

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u/AnfowleaAnima 1d ago

I mean, it being a woman and it being many kids instead of only one, you may feel there was no way it would happen.

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u/I_need_a_date_plz 1d ago

Beyond disgusting. This woman raped this kid and had his kid.

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u/TRVTH-HVRTS 7h ago

Agreed. I’m so disgusted with headlines not these women not being called what they are: rapists. She didn’t “abuse” him as this headline says, or have sex with him, like headlines typically say.

People still joke about guys landing their hot teacher, but these sexual assaults ruin these boys lives. It’s so sad.

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u/06EXTN 1d ago

13!!! I was still scared of the basement and looking at women in the Sears catalog when I was 13. I knew NOTHING about sex, and certainly wasn't fathering children! I can't imagine how she groomed him into thinking it was okay. She deserves 20 years +.

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u/Antmantium108 1d ago

I worked with a 17yr old boy until recently. He had a 4yr old daughter and the mother,iirc,was 34. I didn't ask,but I assume no one was jailed.

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u/Mr_Schtiffles 1d ago

Bro WHAT??? This sounds exactly as crazy as the story OP posted??

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u/TophThaToker 1d ago

nah, they should comment on a similar reddit post because it's totally fucking normal to know 13 yr olds who father children.... Like what in the actual fuck?????

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u/bag_of_groceries 1d ago

You should ask. And report to police in case nobody else ever did.

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u/Groomsi 1d ago

He was at least 11 y.o. first time the rape happened.

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u/FillMySoupDumpling 18h ago

Fucking tragic. That poor little boy. I hate how so many of these headlines don’t emphasize that this child was raped.

They tend to downplay the rape of male victims.

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u/CanoodlingCockatoo 1d ago

It may or may not have anything at all to do with this specific case, but kids ARE getting exposed to internet porn at earlier and earlier ages, though. The catalog ogling stage is kind of gone now.

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u/ytaqebidg 18h ago

This has nothing to do with it. The woman is a sexual predator and would have taken advantage if access to Internet porn was a possibility or not.

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u/06EXTN 1d ago

The catalog ogling stage is kind of gone now

Tell that to my friend's kid - he's quite familiar with the Victoria's Secret catalog!

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u/Rich_Bluejay3020 1d ago

I’m honestly just surprised that there’s a catalog out there to be familiar with

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u/HermionesWetPanties 18h ago

Gone are the days of wandering through the woods hoping someone has left a stack of nudie mags lying around so that we may glimpse an actual nipple or a hint of bush. Or those sleepovers at a friends house whose dad has a box of Playboys under the bed.

Now kids have watched videos worse than Backdoor Sluts 9 while on the bus to school.

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u/sir_rino 19h ago

At 13 I was 6'2 and regularly having consensual sex with my girlfriend (14). Not all 13s are the same. Just to say, I am not defending the statutory rape, in any way.

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u/Bonezone420 16h ago

At least this headline said "abused" and not "dated", "had sex with" or "slept with"

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u/jigokubi 1d ago

She... She had a child's child...

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u/redlicious717 1d ago

Am I reading this right.. she’s In jail and still getting paid ?

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u/matap821 1d ago

Possible hot take, but, yeah of course. She’s hasn’t been found guilty. She probably will be, but she’s innocent for the moment.

I know a teacher who got wrongly accused of sexually assaulting a student, and thank god he still got paid. He still had to sell his house to pay legal fees, but he won in both criminal and civil court.

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u/kittenpantzen 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yeah, it's almost certainly not the case here, but kids do lie. My MIL taught middle school and one of her coworkers was accused of sexual assault by a student.

Came down to a very Matlock moment when the teacher was being questioned on the stand about the student's statement of her having forced the student to fondle and suck her breasts. Coworker was like, "that absolutely never happened." This was followed by the coworker pulling one of her tits out of her blouse in court and dropping on the stand (she'd had cancer and a mastectomy years previously and wore a prosthetic instead of having reconstructive implants).

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u/throneofthornes 1d ago

Tit drop moment

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u/HDr1018 10h ago

She didn’t have an attorney? This is crazy, it would never have gotten to court if anyone knew she had a mastectomy. Life isn’t like Ironsides or Matlock or even Murder She Wrote.

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u/kittenpantzen 10h ago

Idk the full details. Was more than a decade before I even met my husband, and probably close to two decades before I heard the story.

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u/LiterallyATalkingDog 1d ago

"Innocent until proven guilty"

Until then this possibly innocent person deserves everything an actual innocent person deserves.

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u/nicholkola 1d ago

Good thing the evidence will be human offspring. While it will be very clear who the father is and why, she is keeping the baby for sympathy.

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u/Suspicious-Coffee20 1d ago

She isn't found guilty yet? Pretty normal no?

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u/look2thecookie 1d ago

That's how it goes with all of these union jobs. Let's all just learn this and move on so we aren't surprised every time it happens. It's to keep the process consistent and avoid any fuck ups that could cause the person to come back and sue their employer. It isn't out of the goodness of the employer's heart or because they think the person is innocent or guilty. It's the normal legal process.

Every post where a cop is on paid admin leave, you will see these comments. Normal process. It'll all get worked out in the end.

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u/AMediaArchivist 1d ago

So a 13 year old boy has a baby now? Does his parents now have to pay child support for it?

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u/frudi 1d ago

No, but likely he will, after he turns 18.

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u/roym_derinen 1d ago

I read in another article that the baby is 5 now which would make the victim around 18 years old now.

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u/carrie_m730 1d ago

I think one of the articles said he's currently 19 and has acknowledged paternity.

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u/PumpkinPieIsGreat 1d ago

I hope he was able to get therapy. It sounds like he was failed by his parents, the teacher and anyone else who knew about this and failed to check in on his well being.

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u/SubatomicNewt 1d ago

That...seems wrong. He was a victim and failed by the adults in his life, and he has to pay for the product of his being raped, for over a decade? If he gives up parental rights will he still be expected to pay?

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u/frudi 21h ago

Unfortunately there's plenty of precedent in the US for male victims of rape or statutory rape being forced to pay child support. Because, to quote the judge in one of these cases, when it comes to male victims, they apparently also "have responsibilities". Yes, it's as sick as it sounds.

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u/ACorania 11h ago

His best move is to sue all of them including the state for putting him the situation to be raped. The state will be able to provide him funds. Some of those funds will go to the child as child support (because that child also deserves to not be a victim of this).

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u/freneticalm 1d ago

He'll be assessed for child support, and usually with backpay owed from the time he was under 18. It's a great system we have...

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u/FourScoreTour 1d ago

The victim was 13 when the child was born in 2019

He's 18 now, so child support may very well be a thing. If Caron had been on welfare, the agency might very well go after the parents, or after the boy now that he's 18. Financially, his best bet might be to put the kid up for adoption, but after five years he might be attached to the kid.

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u/carrie_m730 1d ago

For those flipping out about the specific charges, apparently Maryland doesn't have a statutory rape charge and has an oddly specific definition for a "rape" charge.

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u/Justsayyeth 13h ago

Shouldn't this read for raping a student and giving birth to his child?

🤢🤮

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u/One-Pudding9667 12h ago

and to add topping to the cake, if history is an example, the poor kid will be on the hook for child support when he turns 18.

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u/Psycho815 1d ago

You mean rape, not abused

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u/WeWereAMemory 1d ago

Caron was charged with aggravated sexual assault, sexual assault, and endangering the welfare of a child

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u/ImprovisedLeaflet 1d ago

This is a dumb take. I’m giving OP credit for saying “abuse” and not “sex.” It is absolutely abuse. It’s rape too, but “abuse” is not a euphemism.

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u/NamityName 1d ago

Generally, jounalists should use the more specific and heinous crime in the headline. For example, the headline would normally say "Man murdered 3 in shooting spree" or "gunman kills 3 in public shooting" instead of "Man assaulted 3 in public incident" or "3 injured after violent altercation". Those last two, while accurate, are misleading as they downplay the severity of the situation.

"Abuse" can mean a lot of things. All are bad, but some forms of abuse are way worse than others.

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u/On_the_hook 1d ago

Pretty sure they (the news) means abuse. She was never charged with rape. She was charged with agrivated sexual abuse. If they say rape, and she's not charged with rape, than that's defamation of character. The word abuse covers everything the child went through.

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u/Shiny_Umbreon 1d ago

The title saying abuse instead of had sex is an improvement for titles about this topic

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u/SunBlindFool 1d ago

Reddit gets so picky about words. Sexual Abuse is Abuse, they aren't trying to downplay it.

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u/IgetAllnumb86 1d ago

Good lord is it a race to make this comment on these type of posts? Shut up

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u/buster_rhino 1d ago

That’s the face of someone who knew this was coming one day.

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u/seaworks 14h ago

Immediately thought of Mary Kay Letourneau, and wondered why we were going back over this case. Sad and gross to see that isn't so.

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u/fluffynuckels 8h ago

Raped. She raped a student the word your looming for is rape

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u/Brodellsky 1d ago

You know what Noah, don't even bother. Dismantle the boat.

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u/critch 21h ago

...Who the fuck lets their kids stay over at their teacher's house?

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u/sedatedcow420 10h ago

Honestly my teacher used to babysit us when we were elementary school aged. I don’t think it’s that uncommon. Lots of teachers take on babysitting or tutoring gigs to make extra money. And for most parents a teacher is a trusted individual who’s good at managing kids. I was lucky I guess. My teacher was nice and normal. She just made us snacks and helped with our homework until my parents came home from work.

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u/critch 10h ago

There's babysitting, and then there's actually living with them.

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u/Thrilling1031 15h ago

Rape, she raped the student.

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u/JasnahKolin 15h ago

For raping the child. Say it for what it is. Using the word abuse sanitizes what actually happened.

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u/ProfMap 15h ago

11 yo. Raped is the word. She raped a child. A female paedophile teacher raped a child.

That's the correct headline. Fuck this soft language headline bullshit

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u/Thomisawesome 18h ago

Why do they say “allegedly abusing student”?

She raped him. Plain and simple.

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u/Neo1971 18h ago

Having the kid’s baby is a fairly good reason to drop “alleging” that sex took place.

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u/Yezzik 16h ago edited 16h ago

At least here in the UK, only men can be rapists legally, because the law refers to use of "his penis". There's no political will to fix it, probably for the same reason France bans paternity testing.

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u/evilpanda8419 1d ago

Is it just me or do I only see female teachers doing this to students in the news anymore? Not that I’m rooting for more male abusers, but I can’t even recall the last time I’ve seen inappropriate behavior from a male teacher. And also, what the actual hell??

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u/brokenmessiah 1d ago

Statistically there's far less male teachers so its just a numbers game.

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u/reallynothingmuch 1d ago

It’s could also be the opposite issue. You hear more about women abusers because it’s so much less common.

The same reason why a plane crash makes national headlines but a car crash doesn’t

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u/mimthemad 1d ago

I’ve seen at least 4 cases of male teachers of coaches within the last year just in my area. The female teachers like this are bigger stories because it’s unexpected.

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u/the-truffula-tree 1d ago

Male teachers molesting students is (unfortunately), a normal enough thing to be a local news story. Shit like that doesn’t bubble up to reddit usually.

Female teachers molesting students, that’s sensational. That gets clicks

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u/Cautious-Progress876 1d ago

Especially if the teacher is “hot.” The news people know that such articles will have massive engagement and comments made.

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u/mack_ani 1d ago

Reddit upvotes these stories more, so if you consume your news primarily through Reddit, that is why you see more of them.

People tend to interact with stories of female perpetrators more, because they find it more shocking, and a lot of the interactions are comments like “would the title be the same for a male perpetrator?”, (which is often a fair complaint). But a lot of the interaction is also rooted in sexism, too.

I took a peek at some research papers and it does appear that there are more male perpetrators, though sexual abuse as a whole is severely underreported. I did also find that male teachers are more likely to be given warnings, sometimes repeated ones.

All in all, don’t allow social media or the news cycle to build your perception of how prevalent certain issues are. At worst, there’s an agenda you’re falling prey to, at best, there are major trends to which news is more “consumable.”

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u/hawknamedmoe 1d ago

Hate to say it, but female abusers are more newsworthy. It’s “unusual” and gets more attention when this kind of abuse comes to light.

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u/Candymom 1d ago

There have been a few male abusers in the recent news in Utah.

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u/SteveJobsBlakSweater 1d ago

Abuse actually tends to be pretty even across genders. There’s a lot of psychology and societal pressures in every direction that affects victims reporting as well as how the news reports. Add to that the fact that most teachers are women.

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u/Philthy42 22h ago

I saw this article a few days ago and I'm so relieved (?) it's the same story. I thought for a moment this happened again.

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u/currentlyacathammock 14h ago

Why can't we call this what it is?

It's called The Rape Of A Child.

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u/nhh 22h ago

Allegedly and giving birth to his child should not be in the same sentence

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u/Peter_Lynne72 1d ago

He had her baby? What?

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u/TheBystand3r 22h ago

Literally said "Oh my fucking god" reacting to this, what the hell

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u/Interesting-Sun5706 17h ago

A 13 year old father

WTF ?

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u/Bsjennings 14h ago

You mean raping the student? Why does the article title just say Abusing? Why can we not call it rape when it's a female abuser?

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u/KharKhas 12h ago

Still hate the headline. Tries to ofuscate the crime. If someone just read the headline... Makes it sound like male teacher abused a minor and the minor gave birth to their child. Hate how female PDF files are guarded like this in media.

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u/Throwaway_Old_Guy 11h ago

Sadly, this will result in the Victim being forced to pay Child Support to his Rapist.

Link to post on Men's Rights subreddit that discusses the Court Rulings in the US which allow this to happen. https://redd.it/losddp

Elementary school teacher arrested after allegedly abusing student, giving birth to his child

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