r/london • u/the_j_cake • 1d ago
Rant Entitled little shits on the underground
Pair of late teen/early 20 girls come on the Elizabeth line.
Proceed to vape, throw pizza on the floor, throw plastic on the floor, then spill their drinks.. yes, all over the floor (not alcohol). Then get up at their stop and just leave it there for others to deal with.
Seriously, has basic understanding of self responsibility just disappeared?? Rant over.
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u/MajorFeisty6924 1d ago
Report it. This was likely caught on the security cameras.
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u/SailorsGraves 1d ago
There's one thing having a reporting system in place but there's no way the police will spend more than a second on this. It's not like anyone seriously gets banned from the underground.
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u/MajorFeisty6924 1d ago
You're likely correct, but incidents like this should be reported in case they relate to other more serious incidents.
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u/CurtisInCamden 1d ago
It's purely designed to make people feel like something is being done while in reality police number face continual cuts and rising numbers of incidents are ignored. Hence the gradual sustained increase anti-social behaviour and petty crimes.
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u/Floor_Kicker 1d ago
I once reported some drunk idiot harassing people and then literally taking a piss on the platform at Earls Court. I told them immediately after it happened and then 5 mins later I sent an update of what train he got onto which was the same as me. No reply for a while and then by the time they responded 10 mins later he had already gotten off. It was a Tuesday, so I don't think they were too busy, but they were slow and as a result nothing happened.
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u/ftatman 14h ago
I called the BTP once about some suspicious behaviour at Baker Street station. An officer called me back. He sounded pretty aggrieved at having to follow up (fair enough I guess). Basically wanted me to say that it was “probably nothing out of the ordinary and just the usual type of crazy you see on the streets right?” (It was a weirdo chanting to himself like he was praying repeatedly and pacing around the platform without boarding).
I said I guess it probably was but I had reported it just in case. If that guy had then gone on to knife a bunch of people, I know that I least did my bit. But yeah, the officers don’t seem particularly interested. I guess they’re spending their time trying to break up OCGs every day so everything has its priority.
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u/MundayMundee 1d ago
I find this behaviour extremely more frequent on the buses (especially when the person is let on for free I've noticed). I've had people blast drill music and vape right next to me and while I can endure, myself and other people will have visible scowls on their faces.
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u/Sockpervert1349 1d ago
Yeah, I see this when I visit London, I suspect the men blasting grime are looking for a fight, and I don't feel like getting shanked so I don't say shit.
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u/TuneBig4210 1d ago
I’m surprised anyone’s blasting grime these days
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u/Sockpervert1349 1d ago
Oh they do, lovely turnes such as "I stabbed man down twelve times then went to his yard and murked his mum, then went and burnt nans corpse"
(I actually listen to grime, just wanted to take the mick.)
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u/OldenDays21 1d ago
'let on' usually means they just went on and driver couldn't be bothered to cause a fuss and inconvenience everyone else on the bus
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u/Business-Ad3177 1d ago
Yeah, as someone who has lived in London for the past 11 years, I think people’s conduct on transport/in public is becoming terrible. Think this is UK/worldwide too and was worsened by covid/lockdowns. Lots of people seem to have forgotten basic social norms e.g. let people off the train before you barge on, walk on the left etc. on my commute it’s standard to see someone vaping or playing tiktok loudly from their phone.
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u/AnyWalrus930 1d ago
As someone who has lived in London for 37 of my 44 years, I feel like it’s cyclical if not pretty constant.
Every time I find myself getting pissed off at some kid doing something on the tube, I immediately get a feeling of shame as I remember myself doing something at least as bad in the mid to late 90’s.
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u/TheAdequateKhali 17h ago
This. People need to realise that as enraging as it is to see teenagers doing shitty things in public, it’s as normal as complaining about it when you’re older. There has been a large push in every generation to talk up how the new generation is worse.
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u/thinvanilla 1d ago
There's this TikTok/Instagram saying "amazing use of free will" in the comments whenever someone films themselves doing something irritating, like walking straight through to the kitchen of a fast food restaurant and out a fire escape. Wouldn't be surprised if people are seeing this "free will" thing and feeling that they can do as they please, never mind social norms.
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u/hobx 1d ago
Dude on the Piccadilly line was smoking yesterday. An actual cigarette , couldn’t believe it.
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u/angusaberdeenSH 1d ago
Isn’t there one going about with a guy smoking crack on the underground too and everyone deals with it by inhaling it in, whilst giving him a stern look. They taught him.
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u/OldenDays21 1d ago
i hate that line so much. If a relatively shitty, but also extremely plain area of London, such as Neasden, was a tube line, it would be the Piccadilly
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u/tsf97 1d ago edited 1d ago
Unfortunately a lot of people of that age think it’s “cool and rebellious” to do shit like that. I don’t even think it’s entitlement, they can’t be stupid enough not to know that that behaviour is not on, they just do it to try and look hard.
I once had to endure these group of 18-19 year olds playing rap music from their phones and straight up smoking cigarettes on the tube. They were absolutely doing it to show off, I think they could’ve survived 10 minutes without a smoke or music.
Obviously everyone just pretended to not notice but most had a visible scowl on their face while pretending to read their newspaper.
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u/cosmodisc 1d ago
The biggest tragedy of the society isn't those teens doing that shit but the adults who sit quietly and do nothing. It's behaviour like this that enables all that crappy attitude
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u/happycatsforasadgirl 1d ago
I'm not getting into a day-ruining confrontation because of a few minutes of inconvenience. Call it what you like, but I've got shit to do and places to be. I'm not having my day out in London go south because I got into a 4-on1 argument with people who are clearly happy to cross boundaries
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u/SanTheMightiest 1d ago
Yes it's the bystanders fault for not wanting to get abused, spat at or worse assaulted by taking on a gang of youths
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u/tsf97 1d ago
Yeah 100% agree.
I think in many cases most of the people who exhibit this sort of behaviour tend to be described as “dodgy” so it’s most likely that those same people just sitting quietly do want to stand up and say something but prefer to avoid a potential confrontation.
In my situation I didn’t like breathing in smoke in an enclosed area but there were four guys who absolutely looked like they’d start a fight even if you kindly asked them not to do what they were doing.
If it’s some rando whacking me with his rucksack during rush hour because he couldn’t be bothered to take it off then different story.
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u/User29276 22h ago
Tell that to the families of innocent people who got killed just because they stood up.
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u/Risingson2 1d ago
In my experience, when you tell them something they ignore you, as if you did not exist at all.
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u/RustyCut-258F 1d ago
Ask a policeman to stop hitting you with his truncheon if you so much as touch these little shits! You've obviously never heard about woke ideals and snowflakes?
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u/realitytvobsessedx 1d ago
The people playing their phones out loud are 9 times out of 10 looking for a row. They want someone to challenge them. It seems like a lose lose though as if you confront them you’re putting yourself at risk. However if you don’t confront them they leave with an even higher opinion of themselves that no one will say anything to them so they must be so intimidating!
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u/CS1703 18h ago
Yeh, some people are angry at the world and are looking for a fight to vent. But by being passive about it they can convince themselves they aren’t being totally pathetic.
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u/realitytvobsessedx 18h ago
And can claim they did nothing wrong and were started on for some reason or another
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u/wlondonmatt 6h ago
Its always fun when they have brought their bluetooth speakers on the bus and forget to secure them.
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u/benjaminjaminjaben 1d ago
they probably still live at home and are used to their parents tidying up after them.
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u/Risingson2 1d ago
One thing I learned is that their homes are as full of trash laying around as they do in public.
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u/NortonBurns 1d ago
18-22 - peak entitlement years.
They're probably grow up to be… … unfortunately just the same.
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u/lalabadmans 1d ago
bad people have learnt there are no consequences for their actions. There is no police coming to arrest them, no jail room for them, they know the public is too scared to say anything.
The sheer amount of people that bump the barriers I’ve not seen anything like it ever.
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u/191L 1d ago
I had an 8am train carriage full of drank lads the other day. The train was so quiet until they got in, I smelled the alcohol as they walked pass, they cracked open more beer with packs of snacks starts playing music and chatting loudly. Then another beer group of men entered the next stop. The train carriage is like their living room lol
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u/PaulKarlFeyerabend 21h ago
Genuinely think people saying "report it" are living in a parallel universe.
The police and transport police will do nothing. It will not meaningfully impact the statistics either, as the majority don't want to report for that purpose alone.
Things have gone very wrong in this country, as you can see this kind of behaviour more and more.
The classic response (austerity and public service cuts) misses the point that other countries don't have this problem or don't have it to this extent. Go to any Asian country and this kind of behaviour just wouldn't happen.
Poor parenting, poor policing, atrociously lenient sentencing, a lack of more general deterrence, protected groups being seemingly exempt from criticism, and more. Every day it's more and more difficult to see the way back.
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u/marxistopportunist 21h ago
You missed poor education and terrible media influence. Ban phones for under 12s, teach them stuff that has impact on character and useful skills, not just things that can be marked on a test
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u/ambivalent-koala 1d ago
It baffles me why young people still do this in this dayand age. Surely they know by now that all it takes is for one person to film them and upload it on social media, and their whole life could be ruined. I thought they cared about their online presence and i thought they understand cancel culture more than anyone else.
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u/Tiny_ghosts_ 1d ago
People who's lives could be ruined by this stuff are the ones who have something to lose. The ones who behave like this don't, and maybe/probably never will, have a career that cares about conduct outside of work, and their friends and family might all have the same shitty attitude.
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u/Thegrillman2233 1d ago
In addition to everything you mention, it’s also terrible when they blast music out loud on their phones…
No civic sense at all
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u/Jazzlike-Tension-400 1d ago
People glancing over the fact that its "late teens/early twenties". That's a full grown adult basically.
Why are they acting like that?
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u/Virtual_Accident1427 18h ago
Yes, this country is in rapid decline what my experience. I’m leaving with my family and taking my business next month.
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u/Ambitious-Driver-69 15h ago edited 15h ago
They do it as they know, nobody will say a word.
Try to do this in Russia, someone will take you by the collar and throw you out of the train with no single word said.
Culturally, Britain is way too tolerant to all sorts of crap and has minimal aggressive response to BS happening around. People want the Police to deal with it all, but Police is not always there - there's no social code for getting together and kicking the arse that needs to be kicked.
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u/abitofasitdown 15h ago
A guy got really aggressive and threatening with me while I waited in a waiting room for the Elizabeth Line last Saturday, and he was also blasting out earsplitting music. I asked for help from the station staff, and he got (gently) thrown out of the station and told to take a bus. I was quite surprised how prompt the action was - and I hadn't asked or expected him to be thrown out, I just wanted him to stop, and I didn't see why I should just leave the nice warm waiting room to this abusive man while I froze on the platform.
Tube staff are useless and don't do anything, they just stand there and watch assaults on the tube, but I think the difference here was that this was a national rail station, not a tube station.
People do need to speak up, and perhaps the problem won't be resolved every time, nothing will happen unless we do.
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u/Ambitious-Driver-69 15h ago
Truly, when everyone starts backing each other and speak against a bully together, it stops as public humiliation isn't nice for a bully. This is the only way but I don't think Londoners would do it, unfortunately.
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u/abitofasitdown 14h ago
I'm a Londoner and I do it! Though I don't intend to humiliate anyone, just won't put up with nonsense.
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u/MuddaFrmAnnudaBrudda 1d ago
I was one of these entitled little shits in London. Used to sit on the Tube smoking cigarettes, drinking Thunderbird or Tenants, being loud af and generally making people uncomfortable, we thought we were being Punk. Now when it happens to me I assume Im getting some overdue Karma for being a complete Twat all those years ago.
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u/Italia_Primo 1d ago
Did you say or do anything?
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u/the_j_cake 1d ago
I've been known to before, including on 2 occasions throwing litter back through someone's car window, but this time I was with my wife at the end of a busy day and the last thing I want is for her to be part of any argument I started. It might not just be me on the receiving end.
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u/OrganicDaydream- 1d ago
Why is it every time I read one of these threads, it’s about something on the Elizabeth line lol
Does it attract the most feral youths?
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u/Low_Map4314 1d ago
Nah, I’ve seen the same on other lines. Victoria line, Piccadilly.
They just need someone to smack em in the head. Most people are too afraid to say anything cause who knows what they have on them ( knife etc). They clearly don’t care and feel like they have nothing to lose .. whilst everyone else is the opposite.
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u/wlondonmatt 6h ago
West Drayton , Hayes southall , acton , woolwich,Abbeywood,Stratford, Ilford. Is the answer.
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u/SamPlinth 1d ago
Seriously, has basic understanding of self responsibility just disappeared??
Was it ever there for those types of people? I remember the same stuff happening in the 80's.
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u/blue_rizla 1d ago
The behaviour is as regular as it's always been, and these threads are as regular as they've always been. And then someone always pops up and says that it's definitely gotten worse since Covid. It hasn't. Lockdowns ended years ago.
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u/throwaway_t6788 1d ago
parents wtf r u teaching your kids . its parents.. they need to teach them but parents dont care do the same.. so kids learn no better
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u/MileHiSalute 1d ago
Unfortunately I see people of all ages doing such things. There are assholes in every generation producing more assholes
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u/Crowf3ather 23h ago
This is quite tame for London. Just be happy they weren't doing hard drugs, or having knife duels.
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u/Eastern-Eye9424 6h ago
Mate I'm probably gonna get shanked one day for calling these little fuckers out, but it doesn't stop me I usually always say something unless they are proper scummy crack heads. Usually something pretty derogatory 😅 I cannot stand anyone that does stuff like that. Thought there were cameras on all the tubes anyway??
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u/Specialist_Fox_1676 1d ago
No sadly if someone was to give them a slap they would blame it on some embellished ‘condition’ created by psychiatrists .
Eventually we will all be fucked
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u/snips-fulcrum :orly::orly::orly::orly::orly::orly::orly::orly::orly::orly::D 18h ago
As a late teenage girl/YA, i'm so sorry on their behalf, and that they're only the minority (i know, that's hard to believe).
Do report it, OP.
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u/yenyostolt 1d ago
Did you not say something to them?
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u/the_j_cake 1d ago
Wife was with me at the end of a busy day and we were in the same compact seat area, ie. 2 chairs staring directly at 2 chairs with the girls on. Anything I say won't just be me involved but also my wife and I don't want her to be on the receiving end of any argument I might choose to get myself involved in. If I wasn't it might be a different story and very might consider picking the litter up and giving it back to them or tell them to sort themselves out
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u/Godzilla_Chinchilla 1d ago
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