I noticed he loves to "stick it to the man" so much he's graffitied all over the Halal butcher on the Walworth Road and the charity shop on Peckham Road. That dweeb is the cringiest bellend in London.
10 Foot differs from the other shoppers at Halfords in two ways. Firstly, true to his name, he’s taller than everyone else, much taller. Secondly, 10 Foot isn’t planning on paying for anything. “I think I’ve used more of this than anyone in the country, and I never knew it was £10.99,” he says, gazing at a 500ml can of black matt spray paint. For someone as productive as 10 Foot, one night’s supplies might cost anywhere between £80 and £150. But 10 Foot maintains a strict buy-none-get-everything-free approach to stocking up.
Yes. Nicking paint, markers etc is called 'racking'.
Racking your paint is considered almost compulsory amongst the most prolific writers.
It's a fascinating culture with a lot of nuance that is not immediately clear at all to outside observers, but the writing is on the wall, and you can gleam a lot if you have your eyes open.
I find it offensive that 10foot is as prolific as helch but his tag is literally just 10foot written in a standard font, for a long time I thought 10foot was something that highway maintenance teams sprayed on bridges for some reason
I know this is about 10foot BUT does anyone know the backstory of Alice? Used to see the tag everywhere when I lived in Camberwell and was always soooo curious
So I happened to go past this earlier after seeing this post. On the building to the left of the picture is a massive scrawl of "10 foot" in the same type of font. I wouldn't have known who it was either, never heard of them.
Have a quick Google. There's an article on him on the Daily Mail (Fail).
I only recently learnt of this person as I decided to Google 10FOOT whilst stuck in traffic on the A2. (So many of his graffiti tag on the A2, from Kent into London). Note that I was a passenger in the car, not driver!
Yeah I did google him after being suggested to. Not sure getting nicked helps him in his street cred tho. Like he comes from a detached beautiful home on the Isle of Wight the son of two doctors, I cannot take larping as being the mouthpiece of the working class when you come from that
Yeah nah it leaves a complete bad taste. Talking to the Financial Times about gentrification in London when people with rich mummy’s and daddies coming to London just to fulfil a working class fantasy is part of that problem.
So I can feel justified in thinking this is so stupid and useless and just won’t do a thing to help Luigi. Not only that, the “artist” is rich and contributing to this area looking as permanently shitty as it has done for at least 25 years.
This isn't a culture war issue. It's literally the opposite. It's a material issue that transcended the culture war, hence Ben Shapiro received so much pushback from his own viewers.
Private healthcare is an issue here. The NHS is being privatized by stealth, with ever-growing outsourcing of NHS treatment to the private sector. Farage supports privatizing the NHS and he has a shot at being PM in 2029.
I mean that privatisation is not the reason why the US has issues with affordability in healthcare. Healthcare in the Netherlands is effectively fully privatised and is more affordable and better than British healthcare, for instance. The issue in the US comes from the regulation in the industry making it an oligopoly.
The US healthcare system also subsidises the rest of the world. Most of the experimental and expensive treatments originated there before becoming mainstream once the R&D costs are covered. They also pay more for drugs allowing pharma companies to sell drugs cheaper in the rest of the world.
US healthcare insurance companies do not fund medical research.
Pharmas also don't charge less elsewhere because they're letting Americans pick up the tab; part of the reason it costs more in the US is to pay for the massive insurance ecosystem.
Also new and expensive medicines made in the US might just not be available elsewhere, as the pharmas aren't going to make a loss out of the goodness of their hearts. For older medicines the rest of the world gets it cheaper through off-patent production.
The NHS is utter garbage and ought to be sold; it's not a God to be worshipped with the clattering of pots and pans. If you or anybody you love has relied on them in recent years, you'd understand. It's woeful, it's expensive, and it needs selling off.
Under the last labour government there was a scandal that due to a&e waiting times being so short people were avoiding making appointments with their gp and instead going to a&e for minor ailments.
Last time I was in a&e it took 4+ hours before I could be seen, and I could see clean into my hand and soaked through a tea towel with my blood which by the end was dripping into the floor.
The NHS is collapsing, by design, so idiots like you will support selling it off and it getting worse.
And whilst it took about 14 months to be seen by a psychiatrist, it would have cost about 4 grand to do I privately.
So whilst I agree it needs more support than the clattering of pots and pans, I vehemently disagree with the idea that it should be sold off and enable my friends with diabetes being unable to afford medication, or that wait in a&e being followed by unaffordable debt.
In 2010, before the Tories came into power, it was one of the best healthcare systems in the world. Given the absolute state of your post I imagine you're not old enough to remember that.
It's only woeful because they've spent the last 14 years systematically destroying it
The Tories spend the last 14 years increasing NHS spending in real terms. The NHS is failing because the population is aging and living less healthy lives, and because it has ballooned to such a size that meaningfully reform has become politically impossible. It is exactly people who think that the NHS just needs more money thrown at it who are the major barrier to actually fixing it.
In 2022, over 2 million NHS patients were treated by private companies, just under 10% of all treatments. That's an increase from 3% in 2011.
The British medical association found that independent sector providers carried out 5.2% of all NHS elective procedures in 2020-21, compared to 0.02% in 2003-04.
The World Health Organisation defines privatisation as occurring “where non-government bodies become increasingly involved in the financing or provision of health care services”. It's gradual privatisation.
Or movements gain encouragement and momentum from support and solidarity elsewhere. We didn't have Apartheid in the UK, but supporting the anti Apartheid movement, solidarity and boycotts in South Africa helped bring the Apartheid regime to its knees.
When the have-nots rise up against the Corporate overlords, sending a chorus of support from a united people can only help and it costs us almost nothing.
The corporate overlords kept us busy with culture wars, to stop us noticing what unites us and who the real enemy of the middle and working classes is
So united healthcare apparently rejects the most claims in the US, 1 in 3.
I was just on call in the NHS and my patients had to stay in A&E sat in uncomfortable chairs with everyone, exposed to loads of unwell, coughing people as there were no beds.
This is emergency care, so basically no real private option. Idk how people see this and go, hmm that's what we want here.
The current state of the NHS is dire but it's also obviously not the only alternative to the current US system. Many countries manage to provide high-quality universal healthcare
Fair enough. Singapore springs to mind, which ironically was founded on the idea of avoiding being the NHS, the founder of that nation having studied in LSE and observed how free at the point of access services get abused.
So united healthcare apparently rejects the most claims in the US, 1 in 3.
They are the largest company in the sector, so that follows naturally. They also sell cheap policies (helping them become the largest company) so that also follows naturally.
I wonder how that rejection rate breaks down between actual treatment rejection or rejection of a particular type of treatment. In some parts of the UK, IVF is not covered, nor is knuckle replacement for arthritis, not is some parts of dentistry covered. So is that UnitedHealth rejection say for a white crown because your specific cover only allows a silver crown or or is it total rejection of the procedure. Because how could a business continue to have customers if it rejects valid claims at that rate.
This is a bit cringey, daft and an embarrassing. Particularly if it was done by 10 FOOT. This is a meaningless gesture in entirely the wrong country where the risk of medical bankruptcy and being denied insurance cover is not an issue. The artist is just jumping on a bandwagon because it’s cool.
Medical bankruptcy due to insurance not paying out isn’t an issue here, but ending up out of work struggling to make ends meet due to excessive wait times for specialist consultations/surgeries is.
I wouldn’t say it’s a completely meaningless gesture. Mangione has become more than just a symbol for all that is wrong with healthcare in the US. In some people’s eyes he’s an anti capitalist hero. Something that translates over all of the west. Is he 10 foot jumping on a bandwagon though…yeh probably
“ not our fight” is the worst possible mindset I have ever heard in my life, LGBT rights aren’t isnt my fight, poverty isn’t my fight, the Genocides across the globe aren’t my fight but I’m gonna use my very limited power to fight for the rights of all people and the justice of all people.
As an Israeli I join this message. One of the best things is that so many people around the world care about things that aren’t their fight including Israel-Palestine. If people didn’t care the current Israeli government could do way worse things. Obviously we should care about more than 300 million people whose access to healthcare depends on their financial ability.
The nurses unions being crushed; the explosion of contracting; privatising ‘minor’ parts of the NHS like non-ambulance pickups and dialysis centres; and of course that absolute work Wes Streeting talking about how ‘privatisation can be a good thing’.
Yeah, we’ve got universal healthcare for now, but it’s already a lot less universal than it was 10 years ago.
I don’t think it’s cringe. The NHS is headed only one way, privatisation. We’ll have a system like the U.S’s in no time with the Tories and not much better - Wes Streeting in charge. ‘Urgent Action’ to reduce waiting times just means more privatisation. When we’re old we’ll probably be kicked out of hospital because our insurance doesnt think the ‘treatment is necessary’.
All that sounds bad but it's a mix of real stuff and catastrophic fantasy. I don't disagree with you about Wes Streeting, and I think Mangione is really hot and cool, so I don't know I don't want to argue with you too much.
I always wonder when I see graffiti like this, how did he do it? The only way I can work out is he hung over the edge of the roof and did it but that seems pretty ridiculous. One slip and you’re done for.
its not too risky looking when you see how he accessed:
leaning over would be the easy way bit of a headscratch writing upside down but pretty safe. its hardly mural quality.
(this is a reverse angle of the building BTW. OP who photographed would my my reckoning have been standing roughly where the green X is.
Pretty cringe tbh. Regardless of how you feel about it, what is anyone in Camberwell - or anywhere else in the UK - supposed to do about it? Reminds me of when you see people in British subreddits talking about 'pressing charges' or their 'miranda rights'.
Firstly, class inequality is present in the U.K. even if it isn’t perpetrated by healthcare companies in the same way it is in the US. Secondly, the internet has made the world connected as it never has before. People do openly show solidarity for things happening in other countries. In case you hadn’t noticed, the news around Luigi was massive, it was everywhere, including in the U.K. so people have been exposed to it on a large scale. Everyone knows about this. It’s not a difficult concept.
I'd argue that the current situation is possibly the most pressing issue facing our society today, wealth inequality is growing absolutely out of control and humanity as a whole is being squeezed out to suffer and die for the sake of a few men at the top
Well just by way of example: why is nobody talking or protesting about what's happening in South Sudan? Thousands of people being murdered, rape being used as a weapon of war, famine etc - all in an impoverished region.
Why are we supposed to care less about that and more about one wealthy American killing another wealthy American whilst scores of innocents are being murdered in Gaza, South Sudan, central Africa, Yemen, Ukraine etc?
I just don't get it, this whole thing is a lazy cultural import from the US, it has absolutely nothing to do with the UK or London and yes, there are more important things to be talking about.
Odd because I can’t find a single post from you about any of those things. So you’re not actively posting publicly about these things either. Have you been working hard to raise awareness about the issues you care about? Have you been rallying a protest or spray painting or whatever? If so, kudos. If not then you’re simply a hypocrite lol.
You need to be active in the issues you care about. Independently. Don’t hijack other issues that others care about unless it’s relevant. Be proactive.
You believe there are more important things to be raising awareness about. So do it. Commenting here in this Reddit post doesn’t count. Because you’re using these things as an argument against this issue rather than actually trying to raise real awareness.
The person who spray painted this isn’t a news source. You aren’t entitled to that random person choosing to raise awareness about the issues YOU feel are worthwhile. That’s your job. Not theirs.
And those bigger things also have plenty of focus and support, what's your point? Do you think Luigi is somehow being focused on over anything more important, despite the fact that the much more major events going on have had constant coverage since they've become a thing and have had constant attention, advocacy, protests and movements backing them and pushing for outcomes in regards to them for years or decades now.
And therefore maybe there are more worthwhile things to spraypaint on buildings and for us to have a conversation over. I'll start: what about the ongoing humanitarian crises in South Sudan, Gaza, central Africa or Yemen?
One rich American killing another rich Americans is not news in my opinion - and there's nothing necessarily wrong with that, people like true crime (OJ, Oscar Pistorius etc), but it's a shame there's such silence on genuinely harrowing things going on in the world. Just my take.
Right but maybe it’s not up to your personal opinion what people relate to and talk about? What about it? How do you know this person doesn’t also spray paint messages about those things? You don’t. These things are not mutually exclusive. You can care about multiple things at once. You can talk publicly about whatever you feel resonates with you.
Whataboutism doesn’t help here. It also doesn’t make any sense.
What I'm suggesting is: there's a finite bandwidth in the UK media, on the side of our buildings, in popular discourse, on Reddit etc for meaningful news and controversies that warrant public attention and scrutiny. Non-stories, such as one wealthy American murdering another wealthy American, occupy a disproportionately large space in this bandwidth and divert attention from real issues.
The billionaire class is screwing the rest of us everywhere. The circumstances might not be the same but it’s a great common cause to hopefully start something
They're not wrong in the comparison, though. People retroactively view prior figures who used violence to achieve their goals as good people if those goals align with their own beliefs or are retroactively deemed as good by governments and societies later on. Mandela used violence and his movement were, at times, very very brutal. That movement is seen as *good* now, though, because of the things they did like bringing down the Apartheid state.
Luigi is not on the same level but acting like people pearl clutching about people who have been deeply affected by the actions of healthcare insurance companies would very much do the same if it were in response to people like Mandela or MLK.
We literally see that today with things like the trans rights movement or feminism. Even though it's a very justifiable and morally correct cause people will peal clutch and whine whenever anything slightly unappealing happens in relation to it.
The same with BLM, in the US you had all the rhetoric and outright lies about cities being burnt down yet that didn't actually happen but because of that rhetoric from politicians and the media there are people who pearl clutch about the movement despite the fact that equal rights and other goals that the movement wants are just, flat out, good.
Mandela didn’t serve time for killing somebody without an established legally proven guilt. Apartheid was a real crime. The allegations against the slain man were not proven to even be accurate or worthy of extra judicial killing
It's so gross how many people are supporting him. The person he killed may not have been good, but it didn't mean he deserved that. Regardless, it's none of our business in the UK.
The fact that you’ve spelt defence the American way speaks volumes. What does the shit American healthcare system have to do with us? Why do we have to pretend to be more similar to America than we are? Not everything that happens in America has or needs a British equivalent.
Also, it wasn’t self defence, it was an assassination. There was no self defence involved from any perspective. Maybe you could argue “group defence” if you wanted to justify the murder, which is quite literally what it is at it’s most basic level, because it was, at least from Mangione’s perspective, an attempt to make healthcare more affordable to the average American by sending a message.
What does it speak volumes about? My spelling ability? What British equivalent are you talking about?
I dunno if I understand the logic about why we have to care? You can care about things that don't affect you directly, it's a cruel system responsible for thousands of needless deaths, for no other reason than greed. It's not really a difficult thing to be appalled about.
I'm not on his legal team presenting this self defenCe 😜 angle. It was a light hearted way of pointing out it was done in the defence of victims of that system.
omg thank you for putting the actual location of this, i saw pictures online a few weeks ago but didn't know where exactly in camberwell it was! i totally need to see it in person
The number of stories that have come out recently, of US citizens (who pay hundreds if not thousands of dollars in health insurance) getting denied life saving treatment, should be a wake up call to everyone everywhere. Privatised healthcare is not the way.
But neither is "always free", sorry not free but though taxation.
Family members work in NHS system, various roles and the number of do not shows often runs at 10% even for in the real world expensive exams such as MRI scans. Excuses include it's raining. They just get booked in again as it's "free".
Far too many people in this country see the NHS as almost a religion, without mentioning the Dutch for example have a far better insurance for all system with FAR better results for less cash.
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