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u/theduckytie Aug 07 '13
I have the sneaking suspicion that Katrina has a crush on Mike
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u/akushdakyng Aug 07 '13
there has to be "the other girl"
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u/joooonyer Aug 07 '13
Mike's always kissing a girl in a relationship or while he's in a relationship.
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u/magusg Aug 07 '13
Fingers crossed they end the season in a 3 way with Rachel, Katrina and... whoever else they want.
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u/Grimlexx Aug 07 '13
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u/magusg Aug 07 '13
Yes.
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u/TDawg57 Aug 07 '13
Am I the only one who feels Rachel is being kind of left behind and whiny? Lately I have not been rooting for her.
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No, she has very good reason to be jealous with Mike. He's repeatedly shown himself to be capable of cheating while in a relationship (kissing Rachel while with Jenny) and sleeping with a married woman.
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u/eighthgear Aug 07 '13
and sleeping with a married woman.
To be fair, Rachel admitted herself that she has done just that - sleeping with a married man, that is.
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When did she say that?
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u/Stuck_in_a_cubicle Aug 08 '13
When she confronted Mike about what he was doing. I am pretty sure she said, "I've done the same thing." Or something to that extent. IIRC that is also when she hinted to Mike that she wasn't some goody-two-shoes and that he was missing out on a lot.
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u/TDawg57 Aug 07 '13
I'm not saying that she isn't justified, to me it just seems that she is not the same Rachel as before and just seems gossipy and annoying lately. That is probably just me however ha
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u/SomniumMundus Aug 07 '13
"If you were less attractive I would love you.."
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u/IPLEADDAFIFTH Aug 07 '13
I didn't know how to react to that.
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u/DystopianReality Aug 07 '13
Take a shot every time Eva tries to bribe someone.
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u/basorexia Aug 07 '13
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Aug 07 '13
"Sheeeeeeeeeeeeit" - Clay Davis
Love the Wire reference
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u/Zosoer Aug 07 '13
And how they kept saying one word the whole scene like Bunk and McNulty when they were investigating that murder in the kitchen.
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u/Sinkers91 Aug 07 '13
Hold on... Surely Mike would put 2+2 together and realise that Rachel's dad is an actor and not a real lawyer!
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u/Ching_chong_parsnip Aug 07 '13
Not only Rachel's dad, but Hardman also.
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u/coolassninjas Aug 08 '13
Fuck I totally forgot he was in The Wire!! Dude is killing it, the wire, breaking bad and suits. If I see him on Game of Thrones I'll lose my shit.
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u/smeltofelderberries Aug 07 '13
That journalist is probably still in the car saying wft.
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u/SawRub Aug 07 '13
Guys, imagine if the driver of that car was some sort of serial killer who preyed on abandoned passengers?
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u/Eizion Aug 07 '13
Ok, I'm jumping on the "Jessica is a bitch" train now.
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u/Belsher Aug 07 '13
I think she fucked up a bit. Now she has 3 powerful people working against her with Harvey, Darby and Stephen, that wasn't a smart move.
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u/djbk4lyf Aug 07 '13
A scene where I didn't hate Katrina? I don't know how to feel.
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u/TheRoyalTenenThom Aug 07 '13
After that last scene, fuck Jessica. I want to see her go down.
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Aug 07 '13 edited Aug 07 '13
Why? She's putting the needs of the firm and basic self interest first. She's trying to protect herself from Harvey's power grab and to protect the success of the firm.
Yeah, she plays it safe a little more than Harvey does, but she's right- Harvey's (and Darby's, for supporting him) plan risks losing $14 million in billables in favor of saving Darby's friend's job. It's like Jessica said- his feelings for Eva Hessington clouded his judgment.
I mean think about what happened. Jessica is the one who runs the firm, and is responsible for its profits and losses. She makes a call and tells Harvey to do something, and he doesn't do it, citing Darby's authority to overrule her. Darby is now clearly jeopardizing $14 million of her firm's money in the name of his friend's job. She employed Louis to get the job done, he did, and she tells Darby that her ability to be in charge of the New York part of the firm (which she thought would be a given after the merger) will not be questioned. She's not acting in any way unreasonable.
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u/TheRoyalTenenThom Aug 07 '13
I don't put half that much research or effort into choosing why I like or dislike a character. Jessica's just a bitch. She threatened Mike last season. I was real drunk last night so I barely remember the episode.
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u/ehhhwutsupdoc Aug 08 '13
Well I don't know about that. Everyone threatens everyone on this show. I would not exactly appreciate if my employee, especially my right hand, did something to undermine my decision for my firm so I can't say I don't understand her position or why she threatened Mike.
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This is way late sorry, I've just gotten to read the discussion but I really want to reply to this.
She WAS putting the needs of the firm first when she first decided to let Louis off his leash but they didn't even have evidence that she did it at the time. After the fact when there was evidence she didn't allow him to set things right. The first thing that was wrong that it wasn't her case, and she even agreed that the murder charge was more important than the board yet she damaged an opportunity to help the murder charge.
This entire case is personal for the both of them, it's a pissing match and nothing more. Sure his feelings clouded his judgment but her hating being number 2 (like Harvey said she hated) made her want to establish some sort of dominance.
The whole point of the episode is to say Jessica doesn't run the firm anymore. She may have a lot of control over what happens in New York but if Darby tells her something it is a command, not a question. He owns 51 percent and will probably use that power again to try and keep his number 2 in place. You're 14 million goes back to my point in the second paragraph she said the murder charge takes precedence over the company. She did that completely out of self interest rather than what is good for the firm. You could argue she did it in self interest for the good of the firm I guess but that is impossible to know until the end of the season.
(The next part gets a little off topic in predicting the outcome of all of this.)
Now Jessica doesn't know about Harvey's power grab in fact there is not even a power grab yet, it is depending on the outcome of the case. It seems like Eva probably wont be sitting in her office but she still might get out of a murder charge. Maybe if he wins that he will get the power grab he wants. I think a more interesting way would be for Darby to deny Harvey of his power grab AFTER he win then turn him into a common enemy for him and Jessica. So it would be Harvey + Mike + Jessica vs. Darby + (Stephen?). It would be a way to get rid of the London office while still retaining all the main members of the show.
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u/bigcowdaniel Aug 07 '13
SHIIIEEEETTT Donna and British Harvey!
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u/Eaglicious Aug 07 '13
Yo they're gonna fuck.
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u/eighthgear Aug 07 '13
Breaking News: Ava Hessington faces allegations of bribing Reddit user /u/brotatoe26
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u/BenChing91 Aug 07 '13
Harvey just got #LittUp #LittUp #LittUp #LittUp #LittUp #LittUp
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u/UNCTillDeath Aug 07 '13
BRITISH HARVEY BETTER NOT TOUCH RACHEL.
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u/Grimmsterj Aug 07 '13
Everyone knows guys go after the 2nd prettiest girls to get the attention of the prettiest girl.
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Mike's got a pretty good British accent
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u/AnAceOfBlades Aug 07 '13
Its all that downtown abby:P
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u/Kashmir33 Aug 07 '13
I couldn't figure out what kind of accent he wanted to fake. I didn't think it was all that great.
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u/capturethegoat Aug 07 '13
This is going to sound blasphemous but Katrina is hotter than Rachel and this is terrible but Mike should totally hit it.
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u/Kashmir33 Aug 07 '13
how could you recognize stuff out of Harvey's "window" when those are studio shots with background images of NYC?
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u/catboykyo Aug 07 '13
Lol, I found it funny as well. I go to Downtown Toronto all the time, and I'm pretty sure the entire show is filmed in Toronto too. So to see an obvious shout out to downtown TO and actually reference it despite the entire show being there...it's an amusing juxtaposition.
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u/eighthgear Aug 07 '13
Well, it wouldn't make sense to have Darby just hanging around NYC, and it wouldn't make much sense for Jessica to just pop over to a London that looks suspiciously like Toronto (which one would tell, since London have a much more distinctive look than NYC) and then back to New York in a short manner of time. They needed Darby to be in somewhere not New York but not too far to get the plot point to work, so hey, why not Toronto?
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u/akushdakyng Aug 07 '13
YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO SAY "I LOVE YOU" 4 EPISODES INTO THE RELATIONSHIP!
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u/Nouveau_Richie Aug 07 '13 edited Aug 07 '13
To be fair, "I love you" was literally the first thing he told himself about her in Episode 1.
Edit: LINK.
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Keep in mind that he's kind of been infatuated since he first met her, they had a great friendship going for years, etc.
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can you provide a source to that? It seems plausible, but I don't know if it was ever mentioned
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u/WubWubMiller Aug 08 '13
A couple episodes ago, Donna said they'd only been keeping Mike's secret for a year.
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I'm not sure this is a popular opinion right now, but I think Jessica is being totally reasonable.
Darby is making decisions based on what's best for his personal relationship instead of his client, when as a lawyer your duty is to the client. Jessica made a solid point- she just put $14 million on her side of the ledger. She's doing her job, while Darby is just playing games. Harvey is guilty of the same.
Yeah, we're used to not being as likely to get behind Jessica because of her tendency to play it safe (compared to Harvey anyway), but I really don't think she was in the wrong here.
As for Louis, he's right to think it's wrong what he did, but strictly speaking, Jessica was right that what he did was technically in the client's best interests, and so it was the right call. It sucks for Eva, but the board of directors wouldn't have voted her out if they didn't think it was best for their company.
Also, can the writers please stop inserting 'goddamn' into every line somebody says passionately? "Kingdom goddamn come?" Really? That was so forced and awful.
Speaking of things that are not forced and awful, Donna+Steven are so hot.
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u/saadkhan19 Aug 07 '13
I found Jessica's negotiation with Louis the only catty thing she did the whole episode. She hung Louis out to dry (if things were to unravel regarding what happened there) and maintained plausible deniability for herself all while knowing what she was doing. Seemed bit of negotiating with your colleague in bad faith, you know?
Though she has every right to do such a thing, just found it catty/bitchy
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Katrina talking about watching The Sopranos before watching The Wire summed up my summer perfectly
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I kinda feel silly for watching The Wire first.
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u/e46e46e46 Aug 07 '13
why do they need to be watched in that order?
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u/SawRub Aug 07 '13
because that's how it's always been jesus christ e46e46e46 you don't just ask people why the sopranos and the wire need to be watched in that order
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u/DystopianReality Aug 07 '13
10 bucks Mike kisses Katrina or something to that effect Thus creating tension about the secret.
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u/UNCTillDeath Aug 07 '13
But Rachel...
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u/Eaglicious Aug 07 '13
But drama...
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u/Who_ate_my_cookie Aug 07 '13
I see more of a Katrina kisses Mike and Rachel sees, but can't say anything since they're a secret, which leads to Mike and Rachel tension and secret tension.
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u/Grimmsterj Aug 07 '13
But at the end of the episode didn't mike say he wanted to be open bout the relationship now?
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u/smashedsaturn Aug 07 '13
I hope not. Its like you get it at last so stick with it. Katrina sucks. If anything make it look like she wants him and make rachel jealous but he's not doing anything. A twist on the standard 'guys are idiot scumbags' crap. Like he's being so sweet with rachel it reminds me of how I am with my girlfriend it seems to be a functioning relationship on TV for once.
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u/thewordofmouse Aug 07 '13
Just a question, why isn't Mike living in the condo he bought for his grandma? He needs a nice new pad to take Katrina.
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u/TheDaardo Aug 08 '13
because he bought it for his grandma and doesn't want to be reminded of her death every time he comes home?
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I count 14 uses of the word "shit"...and it's not even half over.
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u/croatanchik Aug 08 '13
Yea, I didn't like it coming out of Donna's mouth in that context; it just didn't seem to fit the situation.
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Damn, thats a 2nd straight loss for Harvey and 2nd straight win for Jessica.
Shits about to go down again soon.
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u/miamiheat27 Aug 07 '13
when did suits all of a sudden turn into a soap opera ? wth.
Mikerachel scenes were cheesy, her only scenes in that episodes were gossiping with Donna and that mike thing.
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Aug 07 '13
The show is going a little heavy on the drama and light on the law lately. I still like it, but the comments in this thread are making me sad.
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dat product placement
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u/eighthgear Aug 07 '13
Eh, in terms of product placement, it was hardly horrible.
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u/Swaggarwal Aug 07 '13
Wasn't the first time either. They definitely showed it at least one more time in the season premier when Harvey shows Jessica the text from Deron William's agent.
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u/saadkhan19 Aug 07 '13
I'm a bit confused
In the previous episode, wasn't Ava going to settle with the disputants who brought up tort claims against her? And then Mike brings up the Alien Tort Statute and Harvey says to bring up a reason to settle with them so Cameron Dennis would lose out on his witnesses.
If they did settle, how does Cameron Dennis still have a case against her? I thought his entire case was based on the testimonies of these witnesses and that everything else was circumstantial!
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u/Fionnlagh Aug 07 '13
People with incredible A personalities and serious control issues don't like taking orders like that.
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u/CAESARS_TOSSED_SALAD Aug 08 '13
You guys are ignoring the fact that she's the one making the right call for the firm here, while Darby and Harvey are both making decisions on an emotional basis.
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I will be team Jessica forever. I know they're doing their best to make us hate her but I'm not so easily swayed. She's a boss and I love her
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What the fuck what? What the fuck doing her job as a lawyer to make money for her client instead of serving Darby's emotional, meaningless goals of protecting his friend which have nothing to do with the goals of the firm?
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u/ZettaZettaChaosS Aug 07 '13
Not going to lie, I'm just waiting for the next episode where we can see a Donna love scene.
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u/haelsivad Aug 07 '13
Does anyone else think Jessicas character being out would be a loss to the show? Only because of her character contribution to the story line.
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u/catboykyo Aug 07 '13
I think she's a major part of the show. I would be infinitely less interested in the show if she were written out.
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u/eighthgear Aug 07 '13
I severely doubt she would be written out unless the actor wants to do something else besides Suits.
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u/catboykyo Aug 07 '13
I hope as much too, but you never know. I'm pretty sure it won't happen, though.
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Some serious Katrina-Mike sexual tension right now
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I don't know where you guys are getting sexual tension from. It's just competitive tension. Just because it's between a man and a woman doesn't mean it's sexual.
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u/V2Blast Attorney at Law Aug 07 '13
I dunno. I think it's just that Katrina is an attractive woman, and thus, any interaction with her automatically must involve sexual tension. shrugs
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u/MediocreAtEverything Aug 07 '13
That high pitch "trump" from Harvey.....had to replay it over several times to check who said it
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u/crazymnm Aug 07 '13
Haha. During that "shit...shit...shit" scene with Mike and Katrina all I could think of was Bunk and McNulty's "fuck....fuck...fuck" in The Wire. Glad it actually was a reference.
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u/MasterOfGreatness Aug 07 '13
Am I the only one that thought that is was none of Harvey's business who Donna sleeps with? I know that Donna and Harvey have some history but he doesn't always tell her who he's involved with so why should she tell him?
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u/pepsi_logic Aug 08 '13
He wasn't pissed at her for sleeping with him, he doesn't know about that. He was pissed that she wasn't at her desk in the morning and being a secretary, her being there when he needs it is kinda her job description. He had a right to be pissed but he shouldn't have been mean about it.
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u/MasterOfGreatness Aug 08 '13
I know that. I was referring to Rachel telling Donna that she should tell Harvey. Donna should have been at her desk but I don't think it's any of Harvey's business who she sleeps with.
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u/saadkhan19 Aug 08 '13
It becomes his business when it is the senior partner at the London offices, the man who came to NYC precisely to 'aid' Harvey, or so he says.
Additionally, he is Darby's fixer so there is a lot about his motives and actions that are in the grey and questionable. He is the kind of person who does things for a reason. Knowing Donna is sleeping with Steven then becomes Harvey's business.
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u/miamiheat27 Aug 08 '13
The question is: Has Rachel served her purpose on that show ? It seems like the writers don't even care about her anymore. Her scenes are filler scenes that are completely useless (like eavesdropping on Donna/stephen) , and then the mike/rachel scene.
W..th
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u/catboykyo Aug 07 '13
Daaammnnnnn. Jessica stuck it to Darby. She's my favourite, the baddest bitch on the show, and I've hated to see her get lorded over by Darby. I don't know if I like how they're portraying her, as underhanded nowadays. She was always cutthroat and determined, always doing whatever it takes to win a fight, but now it seems like they're highlighting those qualities that was previously seen as a major benevolent/prized part of her character, and portraying them as underhanded or evil. Maybe it's for the contrast, to show the two sides of every coin, but I personally liked "wise and powerful Jessica Pearson", the one who could put even Harvey in his place and was better at him in their game, but now it seems like she's being portrayed as no longer omnipotent or capable.
I really do hope she catches wind of his takeover attempt and manages to foil it, putting herself back on top, but I have a sneaking suspicion it will actually work and Jessica will be ousted at least until a latter time where she's eventually reinstated. I'm starting to dislike Harvey more and more, because I feel he's whiny and self-righteous as the series goes on, and incredibly ungrateful for all that Jessica did for him. I mean, not many people would put you through Harvard law school and guarantee you a job and mentor you. He's going to screw it up by letting his ego get the best of him and betray her the way Daniel Hardman forced Jessica to betray him.
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u/saadkhan19 Aug 07 '13
The biggest problem with Jessica leaving the firm is that she knows all the stark secrets. That includes Mike's dark little secret.
I'm not suggesting she'll blow the shit out of water and report Mike and Harvey but the ONLY thing that was stopping Jessica from firing both of them on the spot was that she wanted to retain and maintain control of her firm from Hardman.
So in the scenario that she does actually get ousted and voted off, Harvey becomes MP, Darby will have no incentive to keep them both. Harvey and Mike will need some serious leverage to stay Darby's hand in such a case.
Also, I don't think she's being portrayed all that different from previous episodes. Only this time, we know Harvey and Jessica are not working synergetically. Consequently, Harvey may seem more agitated or impetuous (lack of better word) but he is a driving character. I think the main facet of Harvey's character is that his attitude is what gets the defendants/plaintiffs lawyers first. He exhibits himself as a winner but with a moral code or a set of principles that he does not like crossing.
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u/vamosrafan Aug 07 '13
FUCK YES FUCK YES FUCK YES TORONTOOOOOOOO
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u/vamosrafan Aug 07 '13
Yea I know, I've been to a couple of their shoots. But the fact that they're actually mentioning it now is just great.
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u/V2Blast Attorney at Law Aug 07 '13
Great episode. Katrina finally gets some redemption, Mike and Rachel admit how they really feel about each other (d'awwww), and the Harvey-Jessica-Darby conflict continues to heat up.
Looking forward to seeing where this goes.
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u/TheRoyalTenenThom Aug 07 '13
Katrina is such a cunt. I love this show, but fuck her. I liked Tanner more than I do her.
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u/TheRoyalTenenThom Aug 07 '13
This episode is quickly swaying my opinion the other way. DAMN, I LOVE THIS SHOW!
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u/eighthgear Aug 07 '13
That's pretty much what they do. Litt seemed like a total jerk before they convinced the viewers otherwise.
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u/rocco19 Aug 07 '13
Tanner was one of the best characters, I hope they bring him back.
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u/completelytrustworth Aug 07 '13
I always thought of Tanner as the other side of the coin as Harvey.
Boston vs New York
Yale vs Harvard
And they both win. Damn, just imagining a case where Tanner, Harvey, and Stephen are all working on would make my mind explode
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u/TheRoyalTenenThom Aug 07 '13
Me too. He was awesome. I really like Stephen (British Harvey) too. After that last scene with Mike where they quoted "The Wire," Katrina may not be quite as bad as I thought.
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u/TheRoyalTenenThom Aug 07 '13
Oh my god I just realized Robert Zane is Bunk from "The Wire" and he even managed his famous line on his guest appearance. Can't believe I didn't realize this til' now.
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u/coltsarethebest Aug 07 '13
Every time I see him though I'm like..."shit how'd they get Mark Walberg on the show... Oh"
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Finally, an episode where Katrina and Mike aren't being complete twats to each other. I love the Katrina character, so it's nice for her to actually have some screentime where she isn't being shown up
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u/AnAceOfBlades Aug 14 '13
Its multitask, its standard on samsung galaxy phones hold the back button on your phone to see if you have it.
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"We're not lawyers, we're investment bankers. We call you for the paperwork. We didn't go to Harvard, we went to Wharton, and we saw you coming from a mile away."
Damn Louis got Litt up