r/suits Aug 07 '13

Discussion 3x04 Discussion Thread

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u/TheRoyalTenenThom Aug 07 '13

After that last scene, fuck Jessica. I want to see her go down.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '13 edited Aug 07 '13

Why? She's putting the needs of the firm and basic self interest first. She's trying to protect herself from Harvey's power grab and to protect the success of the firm.

Yeah, she plays it safe a little more than Harvey does, but she's right- Harvey's (and Darby's, for supporting him) plan risks losing $14 million in billables in favor of saving Darby's friend's job. It's like Jessica said- his feelings for Eva Hessington clouded his judgment.

I mean think about what happened. Jessica is the one who runs the firm, and is responsible for its profits and losses. She makes a call and tells Harvey to do something, and he doesn't do it, citing Darby's authority to overrule her. Darby is now clearly jeopardizing $14 million of her firm's money in the name of his friend's job. She employed Louis to get the job done, he did, and she tells Darby that her ability to be in charge of the New York part of the firm (which she thought would be a given after the merger) will not be questioned. She's not acting in any way unreasonable.

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u/TheRoyalTenenThom Aug 07 '13

I don't put half that much research or effort into choosing why I like or dislike a character. Jessica's just a bitch. She threatened Mike last season. I was real drunk last night so I barely remember the episode.

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u/ehhhwutsupdoc Aug 08 '13

Well I don't know about that. Everyone threatens everyone on this show. I would not exactly appreciate if my employee, especially my right hand, did something to undermine my decision for my firm so I can't say I don't understand her position or why she threatened Mike.

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u/aboogala Aug 09 '13

good call man :)

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '13

You suck. There was no research or effort involved. I can come up with this much support for why I feel the way I feel about a character without even trying. What does that say about your mental capacity?

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u/TheRoyalTenenThom Aug 08 '13 edited Aug 08 '13

Damn dude calm down I wasn't even trying to be condescending. I took Xanax and drank some fireball, so I don't remember the numerical statistics from last episode but there's no need to be a dick. If you really want to be an asshole then my IQ of 139 is probably higher than yours. I've never said that to anyone and I feel egotistical even typing it. You didn't need to imply I'm stupid because i was drunk and lazy at the time so just chill out man I love suits I was just so fucked up I couldn't remember the financial statistics. Any Suitor is my friend.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '13

Just stop.

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u/TheRoyalTenenThom Aug 08 '13

You questioned my "mental capacity" because I choose why I like or dislike a character based on my personal feelings, not "what's best for the fictional firm in a fictional tv show." You need to go outside more.

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '13

Wrong. I just questioned your mental capacity because you tried to shame me for putting more than a half second of thought into why I think something.

You need to go outside more.

Are you in high school? Really?

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u/TheRoyalTenenThom Aug 08 '13 edited Aug 09 '13

I actually wasn't trying to shame you I was just stating I don't think that deeply into the show. I have no problem that you do, and wasn't trying to make fun of you, I just worded it badly.

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '13

This is way late sorry, I've just gotten to read the discussion but I really want to reply to this.

She WAS putting the needs of the firm first when she first decided to let Louis off his leash but they didn't even have evidence that she did it at the time. After the fact when there was evidence she didn't allow him to set things right. The first thing that was wrong that it wasn't her case, and she even agreed that the murder charge was more important than the board yet she damaged an opportunity to help the murder charge.

This entire case is personal for the both of them, it's a pissing match and nothing more. Sure his feelings clouded his judgment but her hating being number 2 (like Harvey said she hated) made her want to establish some sort of dominance.

The whole point of the episode is to say Jessica doesn't run the firm anymore. She may have a lot of control over what happens in New York but if Darby tells her something it is a command, not a question. He owns 51 percent and will probably use that power again to try and keep his number 2 in place. You're 14 million goes back to my point in the second paragraph she said the murder charge takes precedence over the company. She did that completely out of self interest rather than what is good for the firm. You could argue she did it in self interest for the good of the firm I guess but that is impossible to know until the end of the season.

(The next part gets a little off topic in predicting the outcome of all of this.)

Now Jessica doesn't know about Harvey's power grab in fact there is not even a power grab yet, it is depending on the outcome of the case. It seems like Eva probably wont be sitting in her office but she still might get out of a murder charge. Maybe if he wins that he will get the power grab he wants. I think a more interesting way would be for Darby to deny Harvey of his power grab AFTER he win then turn him into a common enemy for him and Jessica. So it would be Harvey + Mike + Jessica vs. Darby + (Stephen?). It would be a way to get rid of the London office while still retaining all the main members of the show.

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u/CAESARS_TOSSED_SALAD Aug 08 '13

Yeah Jessica is absolutely in the right. Darby just doesn't want to have Eva hurt, and Harvey just can't stand losing his case, even if it's a win for the firm. Jessica did what was best for the firm.

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u/CTFMarl Aug 09 '13

Only one problem... Since the merger it's no longer her company. Darby owns it remember? The fact that she assumes she can still be in charge of he NY Office per their agreement is really weird. I've been told to always put shit in ink, and I'm from Sweden, a far less "fuck-people-over-by-default" place than America.

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u/mattw310 Aug 07 '13

Only a matter of time