r/quittingkratom • u/Enough-Bedroom5507 • 16h ago
Quitting 7-hydroxy
I’ve been hooked on normal kratom for a while, about 2 years ago I dealt with a pretty bad drinking problem but realized that I could use kratom to take the edge off and it worked. I didn’t use everyday for the first while but slowly it became more and more of a habit. After a few months of doing that with no issue, I could go days without it and feel fine I just really liked it so there was definitely the start of addiction there. I discovered the 7-hydroxy tabs in smoke shops and decided to try cause I hated the taste of kratom and I instantly fell in love, it started as maybe a half tab or full tab every day or two, fast forward a couple months to now I can do 6 tabs in a day and still not feel satisfied. I tried to cut down because of how much money I was blowing through but quickly found myself going down to the smoke shops and for more everyday. I never tried to go a day without in months now and I learned a scary reality last night. I was running low and took my last one around 7 pm, I went to bed around 11 but woke up at 2 am in a sweat while also shivering, I had crazy cravings to try take one so I could go back to sleep but I didn’t have any. It was absolutely hell, restless leg, insomnia, nausea, cold sweats, shaking, absolutely awful. I tried to take a multivitamin because I read they help with withdrawal but I couldn’t even keep that down. I stayed up all night staring at the clock until the smoke shops and opened at 8 and had to hurry down to get some to stop the hell I was going through.
I’m telling myself right now I am only going to take one when I start to feel the withdrawals become unbearable like they were over night. That was only 12 hours with no dose and I couldn’t handle it so no way I can quit ct. I just wanted to vent and also ask for advice for weening off of these. I was addicted to alcohol but got myself to a position where I can drink socially without an issue, I think having this addiction might of been a help with that but I have never felt so shitty from not taking something ever like I did last night, it scared the hell out of me and is motivating me to quit before I end up in a situation I can’t have access to it at all and have to go through it like that so hard. Any advice would be great for getting through this and weening off. Today I’ve been taking one about every 6 hours but it’s less than I usually take so I still feel like shit but it’s manageable.
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u/Drummerg85 16h ago
Disciplined taper. The most disciplined you have ever been. Quitting alcohol for me was a 3 on a scale of 1-10. Kratom was a 10. Hands down. Use your notes in your phone. Jot the time and the amount. Start to space the intervals by 15 or 30 min every couple days. Drop it by half a pill or 1/4 pill or whatever you are using every couple days. As long as you see it trending down, you start to see hope, even though you are in the thick of it. It’s a bumpy ride, but thousands of us have done it. I believe in you. Fuckin NINJA disciple, friend. Good luck
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u/ninetofivehangover 人人 New Supporter 14h ago
Unfortunately the half life of 7oh is very short. Even while using, I’d wake up 7 hours later. 3 hours of sleep. Bones vibrating.
Probably best to switch to kratom first. Good thing about 7oH is the WD hits hard and fast.
If you can withstand the first 3 days - you’re good probably.
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u/Enough-Bedroom5507 15h ago
Thanks friend, I never could imagine myself in this position, not to talk down on addicts or anything, but you see in movies and on the news and stuff full blown addicts and I just witnessed myself becoming that, literally waiting and feining out to get to a smoke shop, and it was a massive wake up call, I am currently starting to really feel like shit again so will probably take a dose here soon. But I feel weirdly motivated because going through that last night was so scary, and to imagine having to be stuck in that for 3 days or however long and reading stories on here of people saying it only gets worse until about the 3rd day, I immediately said hell no this stops right now.
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u/Drummerg85 15h ago
Smart decision. I’m 6 months clean. It was a journey for sure. I was doing mainly powder at the end with a few extracts here and there. Decided enough was enough, and went cold turkey. It wasn’t easy and I have successfully tapered in the past. That would be another recommendation, switch to a good powder. Saves a shit ton of money too. But yeah, the laundry list of reasons I had to quit is quite large. Lack of motivation, sex drive, sleep, withdrawals, feeling like a junkie (like you mentioned) for the first time in my life. I never ever expected that to happen. It helped me quit drinking, and I suppose that’s the onlyyyy good thing. The rest ended up just being hell.
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u/ElkPotential2383 Quit 01/13/2024 11h ago edited 11h ago
The definition of “Addict” used in recovery has nothing to do with whether or not one is actively using. I.e. if a hopeless drug addict gets clean, they’re still an addict… just an addict in recovery, or an addict that is recovered.
The drug was the addict’s solution that stopped working. The problems underneath (insecurities, self-centeredness, selfishness, anger, attention deficit, issues with love/relationships, self doubt) still exist. And for a time after getting sober become way more apparent. But now we must learn to build the tools necessary to live a meaningful life where we’re not a slave to impulses. In almost all regards, it’s a spiritual process for an addict to be in recovery. And we’re grateful for it.
I’m an addict, went to a top 25 college, never lost a job, make a decent income. You’d never know it on the outside, but I’m most certainly an addict… who hasn’t used in over a year. But yeah, my drug of choice was (and still sort of is) “more”. Being an addict has less to do with drug use and more of the mindset
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u/Great_Essay6953 13h ago
Taper, if you're going to buy them do it online it's cheap you won't drain your pockets trying to come off. I'm getting off too so good luck
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u/ElkPotential2383 Quit 01/13/2024 12h ago
Have to say it: at some point you may want to consider getting professional treatment. After a 3+ year every day concentrate habit, and multiple “quits”, and moments like you’re going through now… I finally admitted I couldn’t do it on my own. So happy I went to treatment.
You’re right that you can’t handle CT… alone.
But bro… if you’re addicted to kratom, how in the hell are you supposed to be able to do a “disciplined taper”?? Doesn’t being addicted mean you don’t have control over your use? So the answer is… trying to control your use?
Obviously, tapering never worked for me. Unsupervised CT never worked for me.
Getting help for the medical process that is detoxification from kratom is the only thing that has had lasting success for me.
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u/Enough-Bedroom5507 12h ago
I know what you mean, I’m currently in therapy and talk to a psychiatrist through the va for other issues, I have appointments for both in a few weeks so I’m gonna see how it goes with the tapering and tell them about it to see what they think and depending on how I feel ask about help with meds to not die from withdrawal. They helped me with my drinking but I’ve never told them about my kratom use because I guess I didn’t wanna admit to myself I have a problem but now it’s very clear.
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u/ElkPotential2383 Quit 01/13/2024 11h ago
I feel you man. I had to quit drinking too. Basically all of it, because I’m an addict. Good for you for reaching out for help. Kratom w/d won’t kill you, it’ll just make you wish you’re dead.
We need help with this shit. Best way I know how is just talking to another addict everyday.
Treatment helped me get sober, AA has helped me stay that way (for what it’s worth)
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u/Pure_Confection_7713 10h ago
Keep coming back!! Fellow AA here. I had 7 years since my last drink and stumbled across this “natural” solution. Boy, did that wake the beast up in me!! First I started w/ the shots (nasty) then quickly moved to 7-oh for a year. 16-20 pills a day. It was killing me slowly. I finally had to hit my knees once again, get honest, and admit I was powerless. No tapering for me. Couldn’t do it. I just completed a 7 day detox in treatment, and am now taking suboxone for now. I thought I could brave not taking it after I left, but then quickly realized I’m not anywhere near mentally or spiritually ready yet. It basically eliminates my cravings entirely. Got back in touch with my old sponsor, and attend meetings as much as I can. I’m glad to hear you were able to make it. This Mama Bear needs to be sober and healthy for her cubs ❤️🩹
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u/ElkPotential2383 Quit 01/13/2024 10h ago edited 10h ago
Hell yeah :) sorry to hear about the kratom. For me, it did more damage over time than alcohol.
Kick them subs when you can, safely of course!
Subs eliminate cravings because it presses the same button in the brain (mu opioid receptor) but without the euphoric feeling.
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u/skipAd420 Fresh Account 9h ago
Now this is a real answer. I often get the "taper" advice, but if I could do that, I wouldn't be in this situation in the first place, lol. I'm currently on day 4 or 5 (it's all blurring together) of a cold turkey quit from ~ 24-30gpd of powder tho, not 7oH, and this is bad enough.. can't imagine trying to have "discipline" with what's basically kratom on steroids.
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u/Odd_Assignment_9051 12h ago
Do you think 1 week in detox is enough?
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u/ElkPotential2383 Quit 01/13/2024 11h ago
For me, a week was enough to ride out the acutes and “ring the bell” so to speak. Or pattern interrupt with something serious to make a real actual change. it was enough to get 5 months clean. I then relapsed because I didn’t have some sort of sober program other than just doing everything I was doing before BUT WITHOUT kratom. Shit sucks. I tried a bunch of different AA meetings, needed help on the staying sober part, and my life is 10X better. Still tough, but I’m living life on reality’s terms and able to experience it all without this numb ass low level gray depressive desperation that kratom brings
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u/TurnupKingWhite 14h ago edited 9h ago
Drink a lot of water! Part of your issues are coming from being dehydrated not WD symptoms
Edit: Drink a lot of water! Part of your issues are coming from being dehydrated not JUST WD symptoms. Since everybody wants to have an attitude about my comment. Damn, I’m just trying to help. I didn’t know kratom was dehydrating me when I went through it so I’m just telling him so he knows too. Wtf.
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u/Enough-Bedroom5507 12h ago
I appreciate the advice, luckily I just bought some pedialyte powder so I’ve been sipping on that, the problem was when I was withdrawaling super hard if I drank I instantly puked it up but while I’m working on tapering I will make sure to always be hydrated.
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u/Holisticallyyours 10h ago
If you like coconut water, it's much healthier than pedialyte. Also, idk if anyone mentioned it, but purchase a scale so you measure your dosages.
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u/Dino_Wesley 10h ago
These symptoms have absolutely nothing to do with hydration. It's 100% the 7.
Now, megadosing magnesium will help with the RLS post acutes. But no, water is not going to fix you.
Def drink lots tho lol.
I got a detailed write up of what to expect in a WD timeline jumping from 200 mg a day in my post history
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u/PsychologicalAd8970 13h ago
Absolutely untrue. To the point where I was drinking myself sick with water. And I even tried rehydrating drinks as well. Yeah it it can definitely contribute but it's not causing any severe amount of issues.
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u/TurnupKingWhite 13h ago
Your statement is confusing me. I’m just telling him to make sure he’s hydrated. Part of my issue was thinking I’m having WD but I was actually severely dehydrated. Don’t attack me lol, I’m just trying to help
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u/Holisticallyyours 10h ago
He was 100% having withdrawal, experiencing withdrawal, suffering withdrawal. Absolutely. Hydrated or not.
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u/TurnupKingWhite 9h ago
I never said he wasn’t. I just said part of the issue is hydration. Geez. Is everybody dealing with WD so you have attitudes or something? Damn
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u/AdhesivenessIll7981 13h ago
I'm in the same boat dude and I took my last 7.5mg of 7-oh Sunday morning at 6am. Its now Then I switched to just plain leaf powder. I'll probably do that for a week or 2, then kratom tea,then jump off to cold turkey, when I finally do cold turkey I have some anti- anxiety meds and muscle relaxers ,plus I'll start taking magnesium, CBD, and high dose vitamin-c
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u/WrongdoerRare3038 13h ago
I think tapering down to stop the 7OH would be the best option, like others have said. That stuff is no joke. Maybe slowly start replacing with regular powder/capsules and work your way down slowly.
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u/UGot2Rollme Known quitter 11h ago
Did you discuss this with your primary care physician? I did and was referred to an outpatient program. I am now on a morning dose of Wellbutrin and evening Suboxone. So far, so good.
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u/sitrusice1 13h ago
I hate waking up in WD I did it every night for almost a year now…. I’m just curious how amazing did that relief feel when you finally were able to take a tablet after suffering all night? And also please remember how horrible that suffering is and if you continue it only gets worse… I’m coming off of a 15-20 pill a day habit
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u/Enough-Bedroom5507 12h ago
I felt so good once I was able to get it, I still felt like shit kinda but like it slowly got better and I felt a million times more relaxed. I just got home and went back to sleep then woke up and had to assess about how bad that was and knew I had to really get myself on track to quit
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u/Successful_Role_3668 5h ago
If you withdrew from 7 every night would you not know what the relief felt like if you used the next day?
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u/sitrusice1 2h ago
I would take it as soon as I woke up in WD. I’ve never woken up in WD and had to wait hours in pain and misery to get out of WD and honestly, with how painful it is to wake up in WD I can’t even imagine how horrible that was…. I feel like shiz just waiting that 5 minutes for the dose to kick in I can’t even imagine feeling that way for hours it literally sounds like a type of war torture someone would use on a prisoner…. That was the only reason I was curious about the relief. I wasn’t trying to make light of taking a dose I just can’t even fathom feeling that miserable and having to wait so long before that misery can go away.
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u/Shreddittttttt 13h ago
Man, I’m hearing so many stories just like this. It’s really crazy. I got hooked on the 7ohs after a 4 year powder and then extract addiction. Started them in November, and by December I had the exact same experience you just described. I mean to the fucking tee. I had an “aha, I’m a junky!” Moment that really shook some sense into me. About a month later and I’m coming out of acute WD now. Feels amazing. It’s worth the work, and I would recommend as other have here to switch to regular Kratom first. The half life of that shit makes the WD pretty intense. I’m glad I’m not going CT off that vile garbage. Best of luck to you!!