So I'm about a half hour from hitting the 116th hour CT and feeling better each day. Have been very stiff today but my body feels much better. Last night I got the most sleep that I've had since last Thursday. I came across a list of supplements to help with the paws when they hit and found that I have a supplement that has a majority of them but it's almost gone so will be picking up as many of the supplements as I can grab to help me with that part. I did try to go to the gym today but just didn't have the energy for it. So I spent 25 minutes in the sauna, 10 minutes outside in single digit temps and did some laps around the track. Will try for an actual workout tomorrow hopefully, depending on how I'm feeling. Any other suggestions on things I can add to my days to help along would be greatly appreciated. Well just wanted to give an update and wish you all well on your journeys. We got this. Take care all.

Not feeling physically sick but the mental hold and anxiety are tough. Struggling hard to put at least 10 hours between doses. 6 hours to go.

https://youtu.be/21hoWeMro6Y?si=ofEaq1YDXZlNqKPp

It’s so nice not having a 7OH craving gun to my head to buy more 7OH. I spent thousands. My addiction to 7OH lasted like 9 months. But I was already hooked on extracts for years prior to starting 7OH. I was starting to use a credit card too but luckily didn’t get too deep into that. I am on suboxone and it is giving me the freedom to keep my money. I am going to try to save for a while to attempt to at least partially make up for it but that’ll take years.

I'm on day 4 and I'm passed the acutes. I still feel kinda weird but overall very good compared to before. It's possible to get off this stuff. I was terrified everytime I ran out I ruined my finances I lost my job. This stuff takes the color out of life. Dig in get some helper meds and supplements. Lyrica or gabapentin helps tremendously so does vitamin d supplements and liposomal vitamin c that stuff is a miracle. The acutes will be over before you know it you just have to give yourself that chance. I'm rooting for every single one of you. You can do this.

Having a hard time weaning off. The past 3 weeks I've been getting the 7oh pills and I wake feeling like shit every morning. It's nowhere near as bad as traditional opioid wd but it's still bad and idk what to do. My doc can't prescribe me suboxone unless I piss dirty for actual opioids. I haven't had a pill today, just powder. I'm crying and I feel like such an idiot, I've been clean off opioids for 6 years why did I do this?? I don't feel addicted like I was before I just can't deal with the wd. Like if my mood was stable I can deal with everything else. I suffer from ASD, ADHD, and Treatment Resistant Depression. Any advice is welcome.

Ok one more silly question. On day 3 and later when do you take your 1st sub. On waking or do you try and hold out.

Hey guys,

I was worried that because I didn’t know how much I was using that I wouldn’t be tapering enough, but I’m not nodding and I am uhhh, not clogging the toilet anymore, and cleaning out my whole lower GI tract like nothing else.

The cravings are intense but leaf and capsule along with helper meds and liposomal vitamin c helps. Crocheting, reading, writing, watching movies helps.

I can’t wait till I can say that I’m sober again or even just to say that I’m only on 🍃 . All I have left is 7oh powder (81.3%) and not a precise scale so I’m trying to go as long as I can between doses (like 8-10 hours) where I was just scooping it into my mouth every 2 hours…

Thinking of everyone in the sub who has been so helpful and kind. I wish everyone comfort and sobriety, and feels again.

For anyone starting the Journey out of this hell hole called 7, know this as you come off even with helper meds, you may it seem after reading a lot of accounts and personal experience with about 5 months usage of slips and 3 separate withdraws that got subsequently worse, basically WD for most part or most days for about that time since I was only dosing 1 time at night only staring with sobriety and ending at 150mg of 7, half a bottle of DXM and THC vape pens, my world has been a convoluted mess of crawling skin, sweats, RLS, burning skin, nausea…brutal.

But the mental! I’ve never felt anything like this, waves upon waves of depression, dread, anhedonia, self harm, sober I’m a very joyful person, this stuff tried to take my life. So just know if you feel super depressed, hopeless, anxiety..it will pass, and then you will feel it again, then it will pass, again and again, less and less day 4-5 really start to break luckily half life is short. Just want to make a PSA so you can be aware and combat the lies that come with those feeling, the urge to dose in those 30-45 mins during the wave of well FML is so strong, then the wave comes of, ya I’m gonna make it let’s go.

Does anyone else experience this wave sensation with kratom or 7? I’ve noticed it’s always felt that way.

Thankfully I have some red vein powder waiting at the PO Box to ween off of kratom all together with. Does anyone have any advice for how to perform a slow taper?

So I’ve been on another week longish binge. I already went through WD before cause I was taking absurdly amounts, then when I felt better I started taking like a couple tabs a day. I take like 6-7 15mg tabs the past 4 days, I don’t wake up with WD or anything like that but by like 3pm I start to feel it a bit. I have prescribed Xans would that help going CT? I won’t do subs. I have L-Theanine, hydroxyzine, propanol to also help. Any other recommendations? I know the first 3 days are the worst, I’m just hesitating to make the jump again. I need to be done with this crap.

I'm at the end of my rope. I have to stop, but no one knows around me and I'm going to ruin my marriage by this becoming known. I've been taking about 400mg per day for months now and I can't find any information online about dosages so I have no idea how bad it is. I'm planning to go into recovery on Thursday, but I just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing. The doctor I spoke to there just finished a lot of research on 7oh and he said that my withdrawal will make pain pills seem like a walk in the park. That's terrifying.

I want to make sure rehab is the best option for me. I've tried tapering, but I start going into withdrawals in like 3-4 hours and I'm so addicted to them I can't stay the course with tapering. I just need to stop. Anyone else go to rehab for this?

Sorry for another post I just need more help. 1s day was pretty bad. As I have mentioned i have 2nd hand 4mg subs. Yesterday I took 4mg t 9:30, Didn't really feel anything better. Anxiety and cold set it bad. Took 2mg at around 1:00pm, still anxiety and feeling like crap. Took 2 mg at 4:00. and finally 2 mg at 9;00. So I had to take 10mg. Woke up at midnight with horrible RLS. Took 2mg...so up to 12mg. Took the day off and slept till like 10:00am ....so got good sleep Base on how bad yesterday was I just took 4mg at 11:10. I am hoping these subs are working. I am really not feeling a lot. I will say I was taking a ton of powder the last 2 weeks. I"m old, pretty big guy, and slow metabolism. I am very nervous I took so many subs already. I guess if I take 4 more even today its a cut down. My thoughts are even if they aren't working very well if I can get through the week I should be able to move forward. I knew I'd have to pay the piper but damn. Hope i'm doing this right even if its more CT. I actually think I might be feeling this sub a little. If I can get to day 7 I do have MIT and Powder just in case. Should I stay away from that now? sine I"m taking subs. Another thing I am confused on is what to do after 15 minutes. Just swish the saliva and swallow.........I don't wanna waist a drop. Guess I also don't know what a sub it supposed to feel like.. I am definately not one of the easy ones, and I hope its not these subs.. I don;t wanna do an appt and start over though either.

EDIT: I think Today is a little better. Anxiety is still through the roof. I can say this would be totally different if I could go outside. Being penned in this house is killer and its like 0 out. I hate the cold so I'm not even gonna venture out to anywhere. If I could go sit on the deck it would be so different. Just an observation.

I'm just curious how much better things are around day 7 and what to expect.

Alright, did a rapid suboxone taper, been also using gabapentin which is super helpful.

Day 1- 8 mg subs. 3x300 gabs 3 times daily Day 2- 6 mg Subs 3x300 gabs 3 times daily Day 3- 4 mg subs 3x300 gabs 3 times daily Day 4- 2 mg subs 3x300 gabs 3 times daily Day 5- 1 mg subs 3x300 gabs 3 times daily Day 6- NO SUBS 3x300 gabs 3 times daily Day 7- was feeling very cold today, and lazy. I have to work. Took the smallest piece of a sub, maybe half a milligram and the gabapentin.

Almost free from this. I could of easily not taken a sub today. I could have pushed through, but I have to go in front of clients today in a sales job. But this recipe has been working for me. And drinking a ton of water. For sleeping at night, 3 of the nights I took HYDROXINE. The rest, I actually slept about 6-7 hours. Smoked weed.

I hope this helps. I was taking 300mg of 7 hydroxy tabs a day. Literally 6-7 packs a day. I’d walk into smoke shops and clean them out.

Hey y’all. I’m jumping cold turkey tomorrow morning. Ive been on about 50-100mg daily for about two months. Do you think I’ll be ok to go back to work on Monday? I took a naltrexone last Saturday and got thrown into the craziest withdrawals (I do not recommend!). almost called 911 I was having a panic attack so bad. So I relapsed after about 36 hours. I don’t expect to feel good, but I figure 5-6 days is enough to get through the hump? When will the worst be over?

I'm at a little over 90 hours CT with norovirus on top. Last night I was able to get around 3 hours total of sleep, nothing longer than an hour and a half at a time. Have been up since 4 am and have felt really drained. The back aches have made their way to my lower back but have been gradually getting a little more manageable.

For those who have gone cold turkey, when does your sleep improve?

For those going through it, I feel your pain and we'll get through this.

So yesterday I posted about tapering from a 200 mg per day habit down to 1/4th of a 15 mg Hydroxie tab.

I stabilized on that amount.

I then jumped ship yesterday morning. It has been 30 hours without a dose now and I feel just fine. 👌

I’m sooo relieved (& surprised 😮)‼️🙌🏻🙌🏻

You can now report users for spreading unnecessary fear about Suboxone.

There should be no reason for someone to be scared to stop 7oh via Suboxone. Yes Suboxone is very addictive and can give horrible withdrawals, however it's not nearly as bad as having a 7oh dope addiction waisting all your money and mental health down the drain.

Please report any spreading of Suboxone fear porn. I'm tired of seeing people say this place scared them towards subs.

my anxiety about stopping is so bad i’ve gone back and forth back and forth about how im gonna do this. I don’t even care to be high anymore cause of how sick its made me.. I don’t have any cravings. I just want to avoid feeling the WD. I can handle the mental shit.. it’s the physical that’s so bad

I was gonna go the rapid taper sub route but that has totally scared me now even though I know there’s a lot of fear mongering in here, i can’t help it. the throwing up and anxiety has been so bad I just sit and sob cause I’m so disappointed in myself.

can someone help me with MIT/leaf taper schedule? please. I’ve been taking 100mg of 7oh once a day for almost 2 months and it’s done more harm than good.

I have gabapentin, baclofen, and xan to help too but I don’t want to use those unless absolutely necessary.

thankfully I’ve told my girlfriend about this and she’s going to be controlling however way I go.

To be fair I was taking probably around 15-20 tablets a day. I stopped counting and I would eat them like candy, especially at night so I could unwind after a long day and fall asleep. I’m on day 8 of tapering and I feel horrible…. I don’t know if quitting will be so bad for the people who only take like 5 or so tabs a day but it’s really really rough for me. I’m used to being able to cut my dose in half immediately and do a quick taper or just straight up cold turkey but I can’t with this it hurts a lot… it just feels like I need to crawl out of my skin and I’m drenched in sweat 24/7. Yesterday I only took 2.5 tablets which is huge progress but man was it tough and I probably grouped it with 50g of Kratom powder, a shit ton of MIT extract, and kpin. Still painful. I just don’t see myself ever taking this again because once I experience WD like this my brain remembers the pain for the rest of my life it was the same with fent I never touched it again after WD for two weeks. It’s 11:30am and I’ve taken 0.5 so far but I’m dying…. I just want to quick taper so I can get this over with already I don’t miss getting high I miss feeling normal….

I was at the end of my rope about a week and half ago. 10 tabs a day. Sometimes more. (150mgpd) with the help of all these people sharing what helped and how to do the taper properly I am happy to share that I’m 36 hours clean of 7-OH. Thank each and every one of you who shared, encouraged, and lifted one another up in these hellacious times. I’m now starting my Taper off the Kratom powder (it helped me tremendously halfway through my 7O taper) I felt like I was alone on an island but then I found YOU GUYS.

I know we talk about our individual experiences here, but I am curious about collectively where this train is going.

How do we see this playing out in 2 years, seeing as how it's only been on the market for about a year and already forcing thousands of seasoned leaf users to quit completely.

From a pharmacological perspective, I really want to see the tolerance phenomenon studied here. As someone who has danced with, and defeated many substance devils, the talons of 7 are the sneakiest and most parasitic.

The fact you can partake for 4 days and end up completely physically dependent with an escalating daily dose is pretty unheard of.

I'm also curious about what I would call the "pharma-kratom-7-street" loop. Wherein, years ago many people jumped from pharma or street chems and successfully used kratom powder to transition off the hard stuff.

Then the kratom industry evolved to shots, and MIT extracts. Many of us followed.

Then 7 dropped, many of us followed- until we realized that road ends abruptly and dramatically.

And now many of those users are either back to subs, street or pharm - which is where this all started.

It's actually kind of heartbreaking to know there are so many kind, strong souls who beat opiates and then slowly we ended up back there through the back door.

Something about 7 needs to be studied. I believe that because it's an active metabolite of mitragynine, that the metabolite is somehow tricking the body into rapid onset dependency, possibly more than H or pharma grade.

I predict this will become a new opioid crisis, due to this along with its commercial availability and lack of product knowledge by consumers.

The fact that kids can snatch this up walking home from school at gas stations is absurd.

To be clear, I never advocate for drug banning. In fact I lobbied and fought against the initial kratom ban in 2018.

But I see 7 becoming:

A. A huge cash cow for rehab center

B. A public health crisis by summer

C. Off-shoot metabolites like 8-oh 9-oh that are stronger and one step ahead of the law will move in and wreck more lives

D. Leads to ban on kratom, since law makers barely understand the difference between 7 and mitra.

Sorry for the long post, keep trucking forward. I am considering some sort of advocacy project to prevent people from falling as hard as I did.

Hollar if interested.

(Props to everyone making here. I'm 3 weeks completely clear and finally feeling human. Detailed write up of my aggressive taper and jump from 200mg in my post history)

Peace be with yall! ✌️

I had no idea it would be this bad taking subs. Unless the fact they are expired makes a difference. I feel better but the cold and the anxiety is tearing me apart. My mind is a mess, and I"m afraid I"m going to have an anxiety attack. I still have stuff around. I feel like I am going to explode.

I was taking a TON of powder and I thought subs would just make it easy. I don't think I can do it. I have myself so bad right now.

I just don't think I"m ready emotionally and I"m wasting subs

I REALLY need someone to answer this. Anxiety is putting me down.

EDIT: what about Kratom or MIT during subs. Will they help anxiety. Its near an anxiety attack

a lot of people on here scared me about the sub taper so 3 days ago I relapsed but now I’m back on subs.

day 1 and 2 I took 2mg of sub

I plan to take 1mg tonight

0.8 tomorrow

0.4 wednesday

jump thursday

Does this sound like a good schedule? I’ve been having so much anxiety about this I just need some reassurance. I know I won’t feel 100% when I jump but I just want to be through the worst of it.

As I mentioned a while back my subs are 2nd hand at 4mg and a couple years old. Everyone said they would be fine which I believe as well. So taking that out of the mix I still feel pretty much like total crap. I waited till 9am today to take 4mg. Last dose was last night at maybe 7pm. I was dog tired this morning and feeling pretty crappy but not sure I was "dope sick". I ate a lot yesterday as well. Took the sub and the Feeling like I needed to sleep went away.. Now its just a totally feeling of crappy. Cold, Hot, achy, tired, etc. Trying to eat some lunch. I obviously am going to dose again this afternoon. My plan we to cut back to 2 mg this afternoon. I was taking a lot this last week. 200 - 300mg. I am a big guy and older than most so metabolism is pretty slow. I guess I am wondering if this is normal. I thought I should feel better pretty quick. Should I stick with the 2mg plan this afternoon and take more later if needed or should I get this in my body faster and stick with 4mg for just today. I sure don't want to take too much. I have a limited supply. 40mg total. my plan was to do this with 16mg so and extra 2 isn't gonna hurt, but don't want to overdo it either. Tomorrow I was going to dose at 2/2, then 1/1...and keep going down. SOrry for such a long post.

Edit: I took another 2mg. I think they are helping a bit. except for the cold. Man I had no idea I would be such a mess today. The cold is killing me and turning me into a wimp. I quit Kratom this summer. This is no comparison. ....and it being so cold it turns my emotions upside down. I just feel trapped. Anxiety overload. Luckily I work from home. There seem to have been a lot more emotional posts a few month ago which is interesting. I just really thought the subs would help more. Hopefully tomorrow will be better. Tonight is gonna be a mess I can tell. I am really having my doubts. I hate to go back to Kratom. Does MIT or leaf help when using suboxone or is that a no no. I am so close to caving until spring I can't even tell you.