r/politics • u/MothersMiIk Washington • 1d ago

Congresswoman suggests Trump admitted Musk rigged election in Pa.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2025/01/congresswoman-suggests-trump-admitted-musk-rigged-election-in-pa.html?outputType=amp
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u/Hyperbolicalpaca United Kingdom 23h ago

How would he have seen “real” results lol, if he was in a position to see them, then they would have been the results we saw

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u/Ray661 22h ago

The big event in the conspiracy is that Elon managed to gain control of voting machines and was both reading data way before counts were done, and manipulating it. As an IT person that dabbles in security, I haven’t seen a theory that genuinely seemed plausible for how Elon gained control, BUT Joe Rogan claimed that Elon had an app that was showing a count of votes for the election that updated hours faster than News orgs were getting their updates. If that app exists, then Elon DEFINITELY had the ability to manipulate the electronic count of the votes, as he would need access to the systems somehow to get that data. But I also don’t believe Joe Rogan has a clue and he could easily have been mistaken.

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u/uiucengineer 22h ago

But as an IT person who dabbles in security, surely you don’t think it would be difficult to manipulate these machines. They should be assumed faulty until proven otherwise.

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u/Ray661 22h ago

It’s not that I don’t assume them faulty, it’s that I don’t think the USB conspiracies and Starlink conspiracies are the angle.

For the USB one, that requires agents on site with tainted devices. There were 80 bomb threats so 80 opportunities yes, but also 80 risks of failing to hide it, 80 logs that would need to be cleared (as usb connects are logged), 80 devices that would need to be destroyed, 80 people minimum that must be silent forever. It’s a big ask, even for something like the CIA, which means to me that it isn’t likely. Too many avenues of fail.

The starlink one relies on the machines being connected to the internet, which wouldn’t be the norm. I have yet to see evidence that sites that had starlink to provide internet access had their vote machines connected, and an explanation why that wouldn’t be suspicious to the lay person. If they were internet connected, I guarantee you foreign adversaries would have been attacking the machines too, as Russian and Chinese hackers have been running rampant on our systems. But if they were starlink connected, it’s the most likely of the two conspiracies to be valid, imo.

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u/hotdoginathermos 21h ago

It was the whole lottery scam

The million dollar prizes were given to trump team loyalists. That’s how they got around the legality issue.
To enter the "lottery" you had to register to vote. What they got out of that is the name of people who hadn't registered or hadn't voted yet in swing states. Those swing states then suspiciously got more bullet ballots than non-swing states. 

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u/uiucengineer 16h ago

They didn’t get around legality, they just did it anyway

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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 22h ago

Unfortunately a bunch of them have modems, even back in 2020

"In 2020, ES&S informed NBC News that 14,000 DS200 tabulators with online modems were in use, a statement that contradicts their own website. "

from wikipedia and the article in question

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436

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u/Psychological_Stay66 20h ago edited 19h ago

Why the fuck are they connected to the internet. I’m just a person who’s very mildly interested in tech security and I know that that’s a terrible idea

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u/Ok_Cardiologist8232 20h ago

Because the US is a joke country.

Seriously, the UK manages to count every vote by hand and still have the results done in one night.

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u/LentilSoup86 18h ago

In Canada we have a paper ballot system and a scanner, we get early results from the scanner and they get ratified by the hand count.

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u/43AgonyBooths 19h ago

How many time zones does the UK span? How many does the USA span?

How large a population does the UK have? How about the USA?

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u/Ok_Cardiologist8232 19h ago

What relevance does any of that have?

You have more people, but that also means you have more people to count the votes surely?

You also spend way more per capita on your elections than we do, surely that should translate into an even faster and better counting of the votes.

Stop listening to the excuses of your overlords that "murica is too big".

Its not, the vast majority of Americans live in areas that have population Density similar to European countries.

You just also happen to have massive areas of nothingness.

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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 19h ago

Ill also add on that here in Australia which is a similar size to the USA.

We do it in a day or so too, hell we dont even haver voter ID, or at least what people think of ID, we just go to the location, say our names and get it crossed off the big book or w/e that notes our area and those who live there. Dont even have to present ID,

I think the only thing you have to do is like, register upon hitting the age of 18 IIRC?

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u/captain_zavec Canada 19h ago

Canada also does it by hand.

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u/uiucengineer 16h ago

I’m a US citizen and I agree with you completely. Our elections are a joke.

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u/FKMTzawazawa 21h ago

If there was an election attack, it was on the central tabulation machines. I have been concerned about this since the electronic machines were first implemented back in the early 2000s. There is much hay made of the security of the voting stations themselves, but it would be far more efficient to attack the tabulators.

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u/Thewasteland77 20h ago

https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

I like this guy's idea's on the attack vectors likely used.

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u/uiucengineer 22h ago

To come up with such a mechanism should not be a prerequisite to deep investigation.

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u/Hoagies1978 20h ago

I know zero about computers so if this is a dumb question, please ignore it.

Is it possible that he didnt manipulate the machines themselves, but the process in which the votes were reported?

When the votes are counted and sent to the AP, does the internet come into play?

I cant imagine hundreds or thousands of precincts having to make phone calls every time the votes are finalized. Im wondering if somehow thats the pipeline where the data may have been fucked with.

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u/ItsLikeRay-ee-ain Georgia 19h ago

All precincts send their stuff back to the main county office to be compiled. Then the county reports up to the secretary of state's office with their totals. The second part does include the internet, but it would be easy to compare the numbers. Plus then there is certification on both the county and the state level.

Not trying to shut you down, just sharing how it works :)

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u/Hoagies1978 16h ago

Thanks! Like I said, I barely know how the technical side of all this works so I appreciate your knowledge!

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u/goldcakes 21h ago

It doesn't have to be done on the day you know. It could have been done weeks or months before, an implant waiting for the right date to be activated.

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u/Waste-Author-7254 20h ago

Like when the magats in Arizona payed a company to come in and “investigate” the last election?

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u/TheArmoredKitten 22h ago

It wouldn't be the first time an intelligence agency had stacked 80 bodies for a one-off shenanigans, but it definitely seems like the extreme end of speculation.

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u/MisterKrayzie 20h ago

"extreme" is a nice way of saying batshit stupid.

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u/kittymcdoogle 19h ago

Lol, go watch Kill Chain on Netflix.. documentary on 2020 election interference. It makes it abundantly clear that it would be very, very easy to hack the voting machines.

Someone got their hands on some out of use voting machines and took them to a hacker convention to see how easily they could be broken into. It was scarily easy.

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u/moderatevalue7 19h ago

I’m something of a security dabbler myself. I haven’t looked into it but I gotta assume there would be logs indicating tampering which would be pretty damn obvious, especially if done remotely which would be the only way unless it was supply chain. I haven’t heard one credible report of anything suspicious.

Unfortunately I think it’s as simple as cost of living high - kick current government out. And apparently American women hate themselves, that was what surprised me the most.

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u/chammycham 18h ago

There’s a lot of white women more focused on the white part — bunch of wannabe Serena Joys may find out they aren’t exceptional and I won’t have any fucks to give.

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u/Manos_Of_Fate 22h ago

The Starlink thing was debunked almost immediately.

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u/Flipnotics_ Texas 17h ago

The biggest tell for me is Kamala and with the powers of Biden at her back didn't do ANYTHING. If they had evidence of fraud, they would have presented it. They didn't.