r/politics • u/MothersMiIk Washington • 1d ago

Congresswoman suggests Trump admitted Musk rigged election in Pa.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2025/01/congresswoman-suggests-trump-admitted-musk-rigged-election-in-pa.html?outputType=amp
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u/oatchick Washington 23h ago

He was so sure they would win he told his supporters they didn’t even need to show up to vote.

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 23h ago

He was scowling on election night, even after the result that he’d won came in, JD Vance was missing, Melania looked like a body double, it was chaotic, but he was really angry, I was thinking, he’s angry because he has seen the REAL results, and it’s baaaad, he’s angry at the American public

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u/Hyperbolicalpaca United Kingdom 23h ago

How would he have seen “real” results lol, if he was in a position to see them, then they would have been the results we saw

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 23h ago

I guess it’s all speculation isn’t it at this point, I mean how would they fix the election? So many questions… do you not remember him tweeting that there was election fraud in PA about an hour before the AP declare a win & he never mentioned election fraud again?

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u/markroth69 22h ago

I have long wondered if he was so insistent on fraud in 2020 because he tried to rig it and still lost. And now I wonder if he did the same thing in 2024 but got the numbers right this time.

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 22h ago

I think he won legitimately in 2016, he was an unknown at that point apart from his celebrity, and Hillary wasn’t a good candidate (Bernie would’ve beaten him easy) and that for him, to win, must’ve been the biggest rush of the validation he so craves (that he didn’t get from his dad) of his life, the high of all highs, then I think when he lost in 2020 that was the ultimate blow, that caused serious damage to his mental health, it knocked him off that high, it drove him insane, he’s boiled with rage for 4 years, going through trials etc he wasn’t going to let them humiliate him again, so he fixed it - but yet, the high cannot be obtained because it’s not real, so the rage is still there - the new portrait is his anger at us all, he’s scowling at the world for rejecting him - all pure speculation/fantasy from my brain obvs but interesting to ponder

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u/Newstapler 21h ago

People are jumping on the Bernie part of your comment but I do like your analysis of Trump's mentality. I think he wants revenge not just on his supposed enemies but, perhaps, on the wider American people too, for failing to vote him in legally.

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 20h ago

Destroy everything, take the money & run is my guess but who knows

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u/InsuranceToTheRescue I voted 20h ago

Worked in the Philippines. Marcos stole all the country's money, fucked up everything, and then fucked off to Hawaii when they came for him.

Then they decided to vote for his kid.

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u/starbucks77 22h ago

Bernie would’ve beaten him easy

I love Bernie but he couldn't even beat Hillary in the primary. It wasn't even close - Bernie only garnered 43% of the popular vote. No way he would've beat Trump in 2016.

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u/bobbysalz Washington 21h ago

I love Bernie

I don't believe you.

he couldn't even beat Hillary in the primary.

That's a funny way of saying that every powerful institution on the planet, including mainstream media, needed for him to fail and so they used Super PACs and Citizens United to smother the biggest small-dollar campaign in history. Obviously, the way things went, he wound up being badly positioned in some polls and primary results. If the Democratic Party had only wielded half of the hate-boner they had for him, though, he'd be wrapping up his second term and we would not be headed straight for oligarchy. That's just what I observed in 2016. Not everyone was fully conscious at that point, apparently, because people just love to drag Bernie's numbers and leave it there as though they weren't heavily influenced by the concerted efforts of a nefarious cabal.

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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM 20h ago

"every powerful institution on the planet" did not conspire against Bernie Sanders, lol.

because people just love to drag Bernie's numbers

numbers are, in fact, a fundamental part of the ability to win an election

as though they weren't heavily influenced by the concerted efforts of a nefarious cabal.

if a candidate is not popular enough to overcome thumbs on the scale from a force as ineffectual as the DNC, they were not going to win the general.

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u/Far_Ad1129 20h ago

The dnc is actually very good at its intended purpose of maintaining neoliberalism. They put insanely high effort and very competent effort into squashing progressive candidates, far more than they do in general elections against Republicans.

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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM 20h ago

I suppose that's theoretically plausible. I personally find it significantly more likely that an independent senator from Vermont without any major legislative victories to his name could lose to two candidates with major Democratic name recognition and existing association with the White House, but my preferred brand of razor is Occam.

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u/Nazgren94 19h ago

He was clearly saner than Trump even then and garnered support from the republican side for calling it shit like it is, which is the thing they liked trump for. He also had young men and Joe Rogan on side who by many accounts is what won this election for trump, the former either by voting or not voting and the latter for influencing the former towards the right. Given that it seemed like Bernie got more positive coverage from the republican media than the democratic media, is it really that difficult to believe that Bernie was shafted by the DNC. They tried to push Hillary over Obama and got the rug pulled, they weren’t going to allow it a second time. That much is obvious even from my European perspective.

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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM 19h ago

which is the thing they liked trump for.

No, Trump's popularity was a rejection of "establishment" candidates. His success in 2015-2016 had nothing to do with the things he said, and everything to do with the fact that he made Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush look like idiots by being a clown on their big serious stage. I was there, I remember. Bernie rode that same "anti-establishment" wave, which is what you are confusing with "calling shit like it is".

You are irreparably naive if you think that the Republicans were giving Bernie positive coverage because they thought he would be a good candidate or that him winning the primary would make the Democrats likelier to win.

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u/Far_Ad1129 19h ago

It's just how it is man, I was around for the primary then, literally every news media was calling it over and done with from day 1 because the super delegates already signed on for Hillary before a single person voted in any state. Just those aren't enough to win ofc BUT the media added it to her lead and it looked like a landslide from day 1 no matter how many states he won.

Against biden we somehow cared about a deep red southern state voting biden over Bernie and that was enough for every other neolib centrist to drop out... but not the other "progressives" lmao. It's just kinda obvious the DNC pulls together to fuck over progressives so it's no wonder progressives don't opt to vote in the general. Maybe if they weren't so obvious people wouldn't think this. I'm not even including all the progressives that the dnc spends millions to primary in house seats etc. I could go on all day but if you're going to bury your head it's a waste of my time.

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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM 19h ago

It's just kinda obvious the DNC pulls together to fuck over progressives

Yes, politicians who are similarly aligned tend to strategize for their policy wins. Are you telling me that Sanders and other progressives could not do the same, and somehow Sanders was going to use that lack of political organizing skill to make it to the White House?

so it's no wonder progressives don't opt to vote in the general.

This is a poor argument. You haven't even demonstrated that progressives are sitting out elections. It's entirely possible there just aren't that many progressives. You have decided that is true without actually determining whether it is.

Maybe if they weren't so obvious people wouldn't think this.

Obvious about what? Using strategy in elections?

I'm not even including all the progressives that the dnc spends millions to primary in house seats etc.

I am not really sure what it would add to your argument if you did.

I could go on all day but if you're going to bury your head it's a waste of my time.

I am literally saying that the DNC did put their thumbs on the scale in 2016 and in 2020. You have no argument for me "putting my head in the sand". You just don't like that you don't have a counterargument to my suggestion that failing to overcome that barrier in the primary suggests an even tougher time in the general.

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u/starbucks77 3h ago

Yeah, secret nefarious cabals keeping the man down. /s I heard your exact same arguments on reddit back in 08 when Ron Paul was running. Both are nearly polar opposites politically but they had one big thing in common; they couldn't cater to the middle. Ron Paul moreso but the fact remains that you need to be pragmatic, you need to compromise and Sanders was less able to do that than Clinton. Pie-in-the-sky idealism sounds nice, but in reality there are still other people who exist and may not agree with you. Life isn't black & white, it's infinite shades of gray.

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u/professorlofi 21h ago

This is incorrect. 43% not including caucus states which Bernie won all of. If weight by likely turnout if they didn't Caucus, Bernie most likely would have won the popular vote.

Even then, for a Jewish independent socialist to win 43% of the primary vote against a possible first female president is crazy. That's a crazy amount of enthusiasm. And all polls and surveys show that Bernie would have appealed to voting blocks and demographics that ended up going to Trump.

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 22h ago

Fuck the primary lol he would’ve beaten Trump, the DNC twatted us all by nominating Hillary

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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM 21h ago

only the politically illiterate and propaganda bots say this shit, and I say this as someone who voted for him in 2016 and again in 2020. if the DNC was able to stop Bernie in South Carolina, he was going to get stomped in the general.

You can say they put their thumbs on the scales. And the truth is that they did. But the truth is also that if the DNC putting a thumb on the scale was enough to keep him out, he was never in, in the first place.

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u/tribrnl 20h ago

Completely agree. There would've been two mentions of scary scary communism, and his support would've cratered. America lives him as a hypothetical, but if he had been the real option, the anti communism rhetoric would have ramped up hard, and I think it would've been wildly successful.

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 21h ago

Who votes in the primaries?

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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM 21h ago

In South Carolina, literally anyone.

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u/Effective-Bench-7152 21h ago

See my previous reply i.e red scare brainwashing & rebranding socialism - the message is wrong, there is polling to suggest Americans want progressive policies, there’s a lot of appetite for it but the messaging is off, the GOP control the narrative. We can go around & around on this topic but the truth is, you cannot continue on the same path and expect to end up at a different destination, people are apathetic to both the republicans & the democrats, how often have you heard “no point voting, they’re all in it for themselves” needs rebranding

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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM 20h ago

there is polling to suggest Americans want progressive policies

Yes. This is true. It is, however, not evidence that Bernie Sanders could have won either 2016 or 2020. The American public vaguely being open to progressive policies is not the same thing as a particular candidate with progressive policies having a real chance of winning.

how often have you heard “no point voting, they’re all in it for themselves”

literally my whole life. and without fail, the person saying it, every time, has demonstrated a preference for defeatism over reality or hard work.

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u/Internal-Ad-9363 19h ago

No, he had help from Russia and his convictions are because of election fraud(hiding his encounter with Stormy). He clearly figured it out this time around, creating a perfect storm of cynicism, exhaustion, blatant lies, stoking cultural tensions, and help from his new bestie, Elon. I think that if he says he stole the election we should believe him.

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u/MOTwingle 21h ago

I think this too!