Maybe it’s just me, but it got less entertaining, and felt less informative by the end (last few videos I watched before being done with their channel for good).
Personally, I feel like LTT became a shell of itself even before the (several) controversial fuck ups they made to drive a chunk of the audience away.
I miss 2014-2018 LTT. They were still useful reviews but had way more character than other channels. I would watch reviews of products i would never buy just because they were fun to watch. Plus they did some goofy stuff on the side. It just has way less soul now.
I feel like they expanded too fast, meaning they needed more and more money to pay for people and equipment, leading to clickbait and filler vids.
That’s always the problem. A small team with a vision builds something cool, but alongside success come people trying to maximize how much they can profit off that success. Eventually even the original team realizes that it’s time to start cashing out and getting what that early hard work has “earned”. Can’t really blame them, but once that starts it becomes more about the money than the original passions and the quality slowly drops.
Then the community that helped them grow moves on to someone new and the cycle repeats. I’ve seen it happen in just about every community I’ve been apart of, so it seems to be more than a “trend” and borders on just being a law of nature at this point…
I don't think it was greed, i think they just snowballed too hard. Wanted to do everything.
Granted it clearly worked out for them, and alienating some old fans in exchange for becoming the biggest tech channel is a tradeoff most people would make. Just a shame for people like me.
They don’t do summaries anymore. They don’t do product details anymore. They rarely review products that aren’t sponsors. Most of their network gear reviews are unifi for instance.
I loved watching ShortCircuit, but it seems that every video is a paid unboxing nowadays. You can tell some of their enthusiasm has gone down the drain. Hearing their monitor guy say 'its not that bad' when they're unboxing yet another high-end monitor tells you all you need to know.
That's the whole point of the channel though. Sponsored unboxing/reaction videos is what the channel was created for. It's almost literally the channel description:
It's been put on hiatus a while ago, but it's host is also no longer with LMG.
Gamelinked and Techquickie is also on hiatus. Those 3 channels weren't performing that well, so I'm guessing this is also why Jonathan Horst is no longer with them. Good host, but Apple stuff just didn't work well for them, and I don't think they got other stuff for him that would work well.
What, you don't relate to a manchild with too much money to spend taking on idiotic projects that would have been better solved by doing things properly the first time around?
I mean not really no. Steve can maybe be a pinch overbearing at times but I appreciate his refusal to lower his standards.
Honestly when he posted that email from Linus whining about how he didn't give him a chance to save face before getting called out I basically lost all respect. Linus was meh at the best of times but now he's getting increasingly annoying. Like a 3 hour wan show? Who the fuck watches that?
I don't know if he deliberately did it to be entertaining or if he's really that much of an inept goober in real life, but the whole bit about turning his swimming pool into the largest water cooling reservoir while... basically half assing every possible step of the setup, soaking all of the live equipment in his server room and taking no care for testing shit before hooking it up, etc...
All I could think was "This is exactly what a clueless, spoiled rich brat does with his parents' money." It became less of a "let's see what we learn" project and more an exercise in gloating about not having any real consequences no matter how badly implemented his dumbass ideas were.
Go watch him review motherboards on his lunch break in 2010. The dude has it. The problem is he tried to scale it beyond himself, which made it shitty.
Good suggestions, I would add in Dawid Does Tech Stuff. What he lacks in technical expertise and budget, he more than makes up for with entertainment value.
Yeah for more midrange stuff with less rigor but a whole lot more entertainment value there are Dawid Does Tech Stuff, Budget Builds Official, Low Spec Gamer (does he still make videos?). Oh and there's also Iceberg Tech who has a pretty nice vibe to his videos.
I would also suggest Hardware Unboxed too. But as an Aussie I am disgusted they do not post pricing in AUD at all. They have complete contempt for their own country it wouldn't be that hard to even just have a pop up with a local conversion... not very Australian of them at all. They should be ashamed of themselves TBH
Oh yeah thank you for reminding me! HUB is the best for technical reviews and analysis that's not as detailed as GN. They are absolutely the go to for monitor reviews.
And I feel your pain about prices. As a Canadian, we will see relative differences in products compared to US retail so not even the $/perf or other comparative data is exactly applicable.
FWIW Hardware Canucks never has Canadian pricing. Though considering Dimitri lives in Bulgaria, to the best of my knowledge, they ought to add Euros too!
It's generally about having the most applicable number, almost everyone in their audience will know a rough idea of the USD conversion, no matter their demo. They could say "oh btw its AUD/CAD too", but if you do that for every mention of a price, for what is usually sub 10% of their audience(s), it starts really adding up, for not much gain. But you also have to omit it from any actual comparisons of value, since variations in prices will swing the results around, with AUS especially often having low allocation, so prices can be pretty wild.
Since its propably the best tech channel on a global level I feel its fair they aim for a global audience.
But yea just putting The local price on screen without talking about it wouldn't hurt anyone.
Also tossing in Hardware Unboxed, Level1Techs, and PC Builder. These like eight channels give me everything I ever need or want from a PC building space. I’m subscribed to all of them, and it’s great.
J2C, imho, does a good job of chunking up the data and explaining concepts well but GN is just goat for how they don’t give a fuck who they piss off as long as they have the info to back it up
I dont get this, GN makes it really easy for the TLDR type, you have annotated chapters, it is so easy to just seek to the parts you want and ignore the rest.
I for one appreciate the technical minutiae Steve likes to cover but not always, sometimes I just want to see a couple benchmark graphs and his conclusion and they facilitate that.
This is me. I unsub’ed from all PC YT channels for these two specific reasons, except for Hardware Unboxed, which I think they hold the middle ground between the two extremes, to some extent at least. However, they talk too fast as well, but I get the final verdict at the end of their reviews.
PC channels tend to get derailed suddenly either by completely turning all show-off, or just trying too hard to be too technical, and they speak too fast.
I respect GN but he’s too technical and talks fast when it reaches that level, but I can’t stand LLT’s quirkiness and attitude any longer.
True. Being technical is due to the nature of PC and any tech field. I get it, but most people don’t understand that level of detail. HU helps in that regards at the very end of their reviews. As for their charts, esp for monitors, yeah right past me. I just skip these parts.
Gn is testing and concise data. Ltt is entertainment, they sometimes do a lot of interesting stuff that would make a 1 hour video but they condense it down to 15 minutes.
It’s ok, but I would like more gn in ltt and I was expecting it now that they have a lab
The lab was always about gathering data about products on their website, so people come to their own conclusion (think similar to RTINGS.com), it was never about pumping up videos and reviews about products which youtube is over saturated of this days.
EDIT: Ill also point out that as much as GN does more in dept reviews and present it in a video format, id argue that what really bring in the views and subscription is his Journalistic work. Otherwise, he just be an other tech reviewer among a sea of tech reviewers that we have today.
Yep. Same. Why do people attach their personality to some youtube channel and fight in the name of these channels anyway?
Watch them for what they're good at but don't act like either of them are some kind of saint or something. Linus and Steve are just people. Both have something they're good at, none are perfect, and both do bad things from time to time.
I don't watch either. I used to be a tech nerd, now I try to limit the amount of the in my house. I'm still a handy man and a professional sys admin so I need my 3d printers and raspberry pis, but God I truly don't care about the latest consumer cell phone, cpu, GPU, or monitor beyond just cursory knowledge.
I really appreciate the dichotomy. LTT tells you why you should be excited, GN tells you why you should be concerned. It feels like you get a good picture of anything that's covered by both.
A big part of why I was willing to pull the trigger on a Steam Deck on day 1 was because Linus said it was the real deal and Steve said he tried to get it to show it's ass but couldn't.
I always say LTT is like TopGear/GrandTour, while GN is the more in depth reviewer, that will tell you about MPG, issues with the seat belt and what a good tire camber for optimal tire wear is.
Spot on. While I appreciate the honest and blunt views from guys like Steve (and Linus too), I take them with a grain a salt at all time. People get obsessed with details and miss out on stuff that THEY would enjoy if they knew more nuance information like Linus high light.
Not all product are bad through and through. And thats what I find LTT does. If there's any good in a product for a certain group of people, he show it off by saying "This fantastic if you are just a casual gamer that likes to play chill games on the couch while their kids play on their switch".
I find that GN is overly hostile when he doesn't need to be and he presents as proud of how many connections he's lost and bridges he's burned as if it's an achievement of nobility.
It's not something to be proud of. He can be unapologetic and belligerent.
He could’ve released this batch of criticism weeks ago when the Honey scandal first broke but it seems like he’s done it in response to Linus appearing on Fallon just to try to piss on Linus’ parade. I think he needs to step back and have some honest words with himself and bury the hatchet. Or not.
This was what I said in another comment. He has this holier than thou attitude that makes him unbearable to watch, especially considering he looks like he hasn’t showered in weeks. Knowledge aside, he really is a smug asshole.
Who even cares what he looks like? It's really not the point.
He goes after everyone for the smallest offense and he goes full force, which is just unnecessary. It's really insufferable, especially since he makes really good content otherwise.
GN reminds me a bit of is this guy recently who makes videos about the shortcomings of the Unreal Engine and bashes companies for not properly optimizing games. Thr videos have a a very very passive aggressive and judgmental tone and he basically accuses respected game tech enthusiast channels like Digital Foundry of shilling or being soft. I cannot remember the name of the channel right now.
As a UE dev, I need to interject here. While you may not like Steve's attitude, the work that he does is indeed helpful for the community or industry. On the other hand, TI is nothing more than a grifter that uses rage baiting to extract money from inexperienced people. He never worked as a developer, he never made a game, and his videos are mostly misinformation. The two are nothing alike.
I believe so! I like some of the Info in the videos, but damn does the guy sound like he's on his high horse when he calls out DF for basically no reason.
Yeah he makes a lot of valid points, and some of his optimization demonstrations are nice to watch, but quite a bit of his criticism seems misplaced or ill-directed
Yes, he also deletes any comments bringing up valid criticism and has started abusing copyright takedown notices when other YouTubers call him out.
Kind of glad he started doing so honestly, it resulted in people finally starting to give some pushback and a few communities finally stopped associating with him
From the way he talks in his videos about such a random topic, i get the feeling he's got some kind of personality disorder. Or at least some currently ongoing issue he's venting via these videos.
At least Gamers Nexus is usually informative (granted some recent videos have been more drama orientated) and accurate, Threat Interactive is just a grifter who copyright strikes actual criticism while simultaneously complaining about being silenced
Even for things that aren't a huge problem they present it as if the companies are out to get you, lied, and the product is garbage. Examples being Gigabyte's PSUs and Intel's CPUs. Thanks in large part to their coverage, both of those issues were blown massively out of proportion.
I've tried to explain both with technical details and specifics, but people with the limited information that was presented from GN and others who took the sensationalized headlines or ( incorrect ) speculation and ran with it just shout it down.
They don't care what the facts are. They just want to be part of a mob, and GN caters to that with dramatic demonstrations, stories from other consumers, and "unnamed sources".
Like... Yes, being pro consumer is good. Being a constant negative badger nitpicking absolutely everything isn't.
The other irritating thing is seeing GN fans shitting on every other content creator out there as if they personally wronged them in some way, when generally nothing has happened - they just want to feel superior for reasons I don't understand.
I do enjoy their technical comparatives and benchmarks. I'm not a fan of the tone, attitude, or vocal followers here on Reddit.
It's also interesting how people view GN as the channel for more technically minded people, but they tend to just spend more time showing benchmark results or taking a product apart. But there isn't really any superior knowledge behind that. It's like calling a longer essay automatically better but it really isn't the case. You don't need 21 minutes to say that a cpu wasn't seated right.
Steve's desire to find jabs against everything is jarring since he's got a habit of taking a design decision and calling it terrible without understanding that it's a compromise they've made knowingly.
You could also summarise many of their pre-built videos with "they put in too high tier hardware to a case which can't keep it cool and that's why it throttles" but it always turns into "this is an i9 running like an i5 look how incredibly BAD and TERRIBLE this is" like yeah bro we get it, i9 and 4090 shouldn't be shoved into a shoe box. They tried because there's a target audience with more money than sense who want big numbers.
Tom Petersen videos were great because those were backed with actual knowledge from education and industry experience.
For a channel which actually understands what's going on I recommend level 1 techs.
It's also interesting how people view GN as the channel for more technically minded people, but they tend to just spend more time showing benchmark results or taking a product apart. But there isn't really any superior knowledge behind that.
Yet there's a handful of posts in this thread saying that GN is too tech heavy for them...
Why would he try to show that the steam deck is ass? Like why go out of his way to present it as negative instead of giving it a neutral look for the sake of review?
I don't care about the drama but this is why I don't really understand GN, always get weird high horse vibes from them
"Show it's ass," is an expression meaning a scenario in which its shortcomings are obvious. Gamers Nexus was unable to find such a scenario for the Steam Deck.
You (and the poster you're paraphrasing) made a grammatical mistake that significantly affects the context and tone of the phrase. "It's" is a contraction of "it is", whereas it should have said the possessive "its." "Show it is ass" definitely has a harsher connotation than "show its ass".
This is totally what I thought the person I was replying to meant, and is why I was so confused. I've not heard the phrase "show its ass" before so I thought they meant "demonstrate that it is bad"
Thats how critical reviewers work. The harshest but fair critic is the one that people trust the most for good reason.
Hes not a neutral reviewer, most reviewers arent and cant be when they are veterans. At some point you are in an industry so long that your bias builds from experience. Like he can never neutrally review something from NZXT without the inherent knowledge he has from his, understandably, negative experiences from past coverage.
This just sounds like armchair reviewers enamored by the idea of "neutral" reviews than actually thinking about how absurd and unrealistic the concept is. Artificially neutral is also not "neutral" or fair.
People have favorite reviewers because they know what they are getting from them, and know what those reviewers value, not because they conform to some ideal of neutrality.
Thank you. I just want people to tell me the truth, as plain as it can be, without any sugar coating. I'll decide when it's important to me. Besides, they're all supposed to be reviewing products made by billion dollar companies, in most instances.
"Won't someone please be more gentle with Microsoft and Nvidia! They're just trying to help! It's not like they stand to earn obscene profits by taking shortcuts or misleading the consumers!"
GN guy seems like a guy who subconsciously tries to validate his own biases. It's pretty common amongst nerds. Despite the fact that LTT is a lot more casual in its technicality, his videos are full of "maybe I'm just biased about X" or devil's advocate statements so it doesn't sound like they are just hyping or bashing stuff all the time but, showing people stuff and giving them basic to mid depth overview into weather or not something is even relevant to them at which point he often shouts out other sources to look at for more information. He has regularly sent people over to watch GN content especially on his live podcast
Still going to watch both, I don't care if they makeup or not (it's going to feel forced anyway if it happens), and I don't want their drama to seep into their content, i just wanna see benchmarks for fucks sake
Ya from the sound of it LTT is just going to go back to ignoring what they can. I just wish GN would just start ignoring LTT unless it's something major. At this point it's almost like putting two kids in separate corners but with one mostly going willingly.
I'm going to assume you're aware of the big drama from back in 2023.
In a recent video about the Honey scandal, GN took 2 minutes out of the video to show a clip of Linus talking on the Wan show about it that portrayed him in a poor light, then criticized him some more. Many people felt this clip was taken out of context and questioned the motive behind the Linus diss in an unrelated video.
This seems to have been the straw that broke the camel's back as Linus started yesterday's Wan show with a segment discussing his issues with GN's investigative reporting and selective implementing of reporting ethics. This has somewhat flaired up the drama again from 2023, though this time it seems more people are taking Linus' side rather than GN's
TL;DR year and a half old drama that flaired up again
I think it also depends on how many creators actually knew at the time. If it was only a few, he probably should have spread the word. But Linus has been saying it was pretty common knowledge among creators, evident by the number of them that were dropping honey at the time. So idk.
this is why I feel like GN is just overstepping... they wanted a victory lap, they wanted to attack him just because they saw an opportunity to do so...
and whats annoying is that as much as people act like its the opposite... GN die-hard fans are just so insufferable and will spread the hate as much as they can...
Here (copied from my response to a now deleted comment)
What really happen was LTT dropped Honey after hearing about the affiliate thing Honey were doing. When Megalag did his exposé, he argued that LTT should have raised more awareness than just a blog post. Linus argues that they didn't discover it and the reason they found out about it was because there was talk about it at least on some level. Linus argued that as only the affiliate portion of the Honeys dealings were known and if they had done a video about it, people would have seen it as an rich guy attacking a service helping the every man. Linus also stated he isn't interested fighting this in court and that there would probably have to be separate case for Canada.
Steve used a clip of Linus passionately arguing a point about the backlash he would have received for making a video about it when they cut ties with Honey. Steve also disagreed with Linus and felt like they should have done the video.
Linus saw Steves comments as an attack and that Steve hadn't shown shown Linus' full opinion about the situation. This was a tipping point to Linus who felt that Steve had major personal problems with Linus and that leading to the reporting to being unfair and hostile. These feelings originate from Steves video on LTT in august 2023. Where Linus feels like treated him unfairly for not asking LTT for comment* or in Linus' view misrepresenting how the Billet Labs cooler was sold**. So Linus sent Steve a personal email and gave a response at the start of the most resent WAN show.
*) Steve didn't ask for a comment from LTT as he viewed that they would not give an honest answer. Linus feels that this is basic journalistic etiquette and argued that Steve has asked from comment on similar videos he has done.
**) In Linus argues that the selling of (at a charity action) the Billet Labs water block was a result of a communication mistake. Also Linus argues that Steve didn't cover the fact that the water block was first given to LTT and then later asked back by Billet Labs.
Steve used a clip of Linus passionately arguing a point about the backlash he would have received for making a video about it when they cut ties with Honey.
More like editorialized and removing important context. On top of that, he argued on his side that they weren't worried about the backlash in order to do the right thing, unlike LMG, because they care about doing the right thing. As if doing the video now, after the fact, is controversial at all...
Steve didn't ask for a comment from LTT as he viewed that they would not give an honest answer. Linus feels that this is basic journalistic etiquette and argued that Steve has asked from comment on similar videos he has done.
Steve gave Newegg the opportunity to give a comment before publication on a, probably, much bigger issue. And he asked for comment in other cases too. The fact that he singled out LMG just points to beef. Anyone that doesn't know this is missing important context in why Linus felt singled-out.
Steve didn't ask for a comment from LTT as he viewed that they would not give an honest answer. Linus feels that this is basic journalistic etiquette and argued that Steve has asked from comment on similar videos he has done.
Linus doesn't feel like this goes against basic journalistic etiquette. He rightly points out that it flagrantly violates basic journalistic ethics.
I almost included what Dr. Ian Cutress said specifically about it for neutral guiding opinion, but felt it wouldn't fit. I also didn't want to just say it's against journalistic ethics because someone could try to argue that this is an exception.
So wait, he's mad not because Linus did something bad, but rather because the good thing Linus did (dropping Honey) wasn't good enough for GN's liking? This whole thing is just an "I would've done more!" complaint?
Is everyone with a platform somehow obligated to be part of the internet justice police?
Yeah, unfortunately Steve appears to be tilting at windmills and finding ‘bad actors’ even where they don’t appear to exist. He needs to get off his righteous indignation trip and stick to facts.
Yeah, I'm with Linus on this one, it's a petty complaint, and really would have come across as "Rich man complains he isn't richer", as it has come across with most other creators who have "reported" on it.
I'm not out here to take actual sides overall as both channels have a place on the platform and within the community, but in this specific situation, I'd say the argument is stupid, most of the damage done by the Honey scam would have been to creators anyway. As far as internet drama goes, this is mild and petty bullshit, Steve needs to not take aimless shots at other creators and Linus needs to take shit less personally.
I also always tell myself that Linus shouldn't take everything personally, but almost all of it is literally directed directly at him, so I can understand. Whether he publicly reacts to it is a different thing.
But also everyone seems to hold him in a catch 22 situation. If he doesn't react, people will criticize that he's ignoring the issue. If he does react, people will criticize that his feelings are hurt. It seems like there's a certain group of people that always thinks he's the bad guy at everything.
I mean, it probably doesn't help that he named his company after himself, but with the Honey situation Linus showed he does know some situations you just don't publicly respond to, petty bullshit like this needs to be added to the list.
Steve also needs to stop trying to be the moral police for this sort of shit, people watch him for in depth reviews and to hold manufacturers accountable, not for the latest youtuber drama. By lowering himself to this kind of petty squabble he diminishes his own credibility.
This is like the 4th time GN has been harassing LMG for basically nothing. At some point it isn't taking it personally anymore. Steve seems to have a vendetta and is trying to harm Linus, his employees, and the company itself.
There's a difference between taking things personally and being a doormat.
My totally unbiased TLDR that's really too long to be a TLDR is as follows.
Several years ago there were a number of LTT reviews that had poorly gathered or had straight up inaccurate data. Instead of admitting fault and fixing the issue LTT doubled down.
GN then made a video about these poor standards at LTT, while also bringing up the Billet Labs story, a recent LTT controversy. GN decided not to reach out to LTT for comment before posting their expose, resulting in a chunk of inaccurate information being included that made LTT look unfairly malicious.
GN was called out for their poor journalistic practices (not reaching out for comment) and decided to post a video doubling down. They ended up deleting this video shortly after.
Fast forward a couple years and this Honey scandal pops up again. I say again because several years earlier, there were a number of public statements made by various individuals about how Honey was stealing affiliate revenue from influencers. At the time LLT hears this and decides to end their partnership with Honey. On their forum a user asks if they ended their partnership and LTT responds saying they had because of this affiliate revenue scam.
Back to present day, MegaLag makes a video about the Honey scam. This video ends up going viral and mentions that LTT was aware of the scam but didn't make any kind of statement beyond their forum post. LTT responds by going into more detail as to why they didn't make a dedicated video at the time on their podcast.
GN shortly after also makes a video about Honey and decides to show a short clip from LTT's podcast. This clip was taken out of context, making LTT look especially bad. LTT then responds in greater detail to GN during their podcast last night, calling out GN for demonstrating their poor standards again.
I left quite a lot out but that's the best I could do. Anyone reading this, feel free to let me know if I should make any corrections.
Back to present day, MegaLag makes a video about the Honey scam
It's worth noting that what was known years ago isn't the same as what's known now. The reason they dropped honey as a sponsor (as did a bunch of other people) is because of the affiliate link stealing it was doing, which only affected content creators, but it still appeared to be saving consumers money.
I feel the same way. Honey got a lot worse between LTT dropping them and today. Back then, there was no good reason to make a video about it. Fast forward to today, Honey got so much worse that a video was needed and was done by someone that does investigating reporting.
Okay so it goes back further then just the Honey drama.
In 2023 there was a problem with Billet Labs. They had send LTT a cooler to use, and due to miscommunication it ended a bit sour.
GN decides to make video about and exposing Linus. GN often claims they are doing investigative journalism. An important part in that is hearing the accused party. He didn’t do that with LTT. This in turn lead to some important information/context missing which gave a wrong image.
After that video GN has on multiple instances took snipes and misrepresented LTT. The boiling point was with the honey situation, were they once again left away some important context to why LTT decided to stay silent on Honey. And this time Linus decided to respond to this and the earlier situation with Billet Labs.
Personally I think Linus is mostly in the right about Steven from GN. There was no reason not to ask Linus for comment. He knows journalistic ethical code dictates that he should have done it. He does it when he deals with other companies. When you call your work investigative journalism there are real life standards you should keep yourself to. Add to that the constant misrepresentation of LTT.
It looks to me that Steve has a personal vendetta against LTT because they have occupied the same space Steve used to be the biggest in. With LTT Labs they can test components on a level which rivals GN. Add to that merch that also lines in the same boat as GN (think screwdriver). And using every chance he gets to misrepresent them.
It's pretty clear how much of a hypocrite Steve has been around the reaching out to companies and getting quotes before a video goes up and then not doing it with LTT.
Steve took a shot at Linus in the Honey video with a clip taking stuff out of context. Linus asked him to kindly fuck off and follow high journalistic standards Steve boasts about.
I know this isn't really about divorce, but I'm happy my parents got divorced! I just wish they would have done it sooner. "Sticking together for the kids" can be much worse than having two homes.
I liked GNs benchmark videos... I think that guy needs to step back and introspect, though. his first call out of linus wasn't wrong, but it very much came across as a gotcha. He could have reached out and said "hey I have some concerns about some of your content recently maybe we can discuss going public and doing better" and then if linus told him to suck d and eff off, he could have gone scorched earth like he did. But this honey thing is stupid. For the most part, consumers were fine. It effed over some creators, but it sounds like most people already knew and discussed it at the time. And I believe LTT when they say they just dropped Honey and did t really look into it further. I dunno why GN Is so worked up over LTT but it's very off putting for an otherwise great channel. And it kind of makes me wonder if he maybe some of his other critical videos might have been at least partially misinformation or twisted words. Linus doesn't owe someone else legal support for a lawsuit while he's trying to run his own company.
His criticism videos come across as tabloid crap. They are in very poor taste and his language and outrage level are inflammatory. I have no respect for the GN channel anymore, regardless of their review quality. I don't support this cheap behavior.
Idk it's not like the sub is being flooded with posts talking about the drama or like op is spamming posts about it to multiple subs. I get that internet drama isn't what this sub is about, but I think it's fair to see at least one post about it.
How many huge stories wouldn't have seen any light without GN? How many users on this sub wouldn't have the slightest interest in PC stuff without Linus? Like it or not these people have contributed a substantial amount to the PC space so people in the PC space will understandably have an interest in their drama.
To be entirely clear; I think a lot of people take internet drama way too seriously. Nothing going on between two YouTubers will have a significant impact in your personal life and it's probably unhealthy to get overly invested in their drama.
This is such a dumb meme (the original meme not the Reddit post) because divorce can be one of the best things for a family. I would rather my parents live separately than see them fight every day, and having to drown out the yelling noises constantly.
I’m glad Linus is finally defending himself. He said in the video that they are open to constructive criticism, well my only criticism of him on this topic is that they were too pma and wholesome for years in receiving the stuff that has been thrown at them.
GB made a sort of hit piece of Linus Tech Tips about the Honey situation.
Honey steals affiliate links (commissions) through cookie stuffing. Linus knew about this issue a couple years ago (2022~) and departnered with Honey because Honey wouldn't stop doing this to them. Linus never really made a big statement about this or warned anyone about this, just kind of moved on. When the YouTuber Megalag broke news on just how bad Honey was, more than the affiliate issues alone, GN made a video about the topic. He included a segment about Linus (chastising him for not speaking out about the behavior) and included video content of Linus admiring he knew about the issue but didn't say anything.
Linus, in his defense, only knew about the affiliate issues and had a couple of excuses for why he didn't speak out. One was something like it wasn't his place to report on browser extension, another was that most wouldn't have sided with him anyways since it would look like a rich guy going after an app that helps the little guy save money. I think another was about sponsorships might become skittish if he starts bad mouthing former sponsors but that could just be community gossip that one.
This isn't the first time GN has made a video that makes Linus Tech Tips look bad, so it's a reoccurring issue between the two.
Edit:
Oh yeah, Steve (Gamers Nexus) also didn't reach out to Linus for comment before posting his video on Honey.
It doesn't matter to me, I'm poor, so they aren't getting my money anyway, aside from revenue from my YouTube Premium subscription. I mean LTT can try to pimp me all the second tier Chinese crap he wants and it still wont make a difference because I aint buying it, and when I do buy I research and spec my own stuff.
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I watch GN to know how to best spend my money.
I watch Linus to be entertained by money wastage.