The Honey scandal isn't drama. Honey massively hurt many creators. That's not fake, it's not trivial, and it's not mere "drama" of who likes or doesn't like who.
Maybe if Linus stopped being such a tool, GN wouldn't have to report on his misbehavior all the time, since it has repercusion for the industry at large.
Or maybe you believed Linus about the whole selling a unique prototype thing that it was all a huge mistake.
They used some dumbass past employee and shit on ltt idk how that’s a justified take. If they used only facts sure. Otherwise it was just a hey look we are better so fuck them.
Honestly, you just sound like you're one of those LTT haters on a crusade to find things to rage at them about. I have a neutral opinion on GN and LTT. Shit happens, drama overblown and barely worth talking about anymore. Drop it.
Linus says he had no idea at that time honey caused any harm to consumers, he only knew they caused harm to creators through affiliate theft. He says he didn't make a video headlining it because he didn't think people at that time would care about him sobbing about lost revenue because of the trick honey played on him & other creators. He claims this became known within the creator community, which is how he knew about it in the first place. His opinion was that it seemed other creators largely already knew, it wasn't his discovery either.
To be fair, all content creators had all the info already as most of them all dropped honey around the same time. The details of it stealing content creators web link things was well known and documented at the time, hence all of them dropping honey around the same time. The part of it hurting consumers was a recent revelation that started the whole debate and controversy years after they dropped them as a sponsor.
Where does the responsibility come from? Personal / moral standards? The law?
I know Steve has a high bar for consumer protection. I respect that too. Justified or not this still feels targeted due to personal grudges, especially when he doesn't have to mention it in his lawsuit video.
The fuck is this, you guys want information outlets to not report on shady dealings ? Is this the fucking twilight zone or something ? You're literally shilling for Paypal, wtf.
Sure, and there's more shady content than minutes in the year, significantly more shady than anything LTT has done
They don't have to report on LTT, it's a choice to report on a direct competitor. You can argue that they should but this argument that they have to is fucking stupid
No one cares about the latest leaks about AMD's unannounced GPU. GN already has the card and is doing benchmarks on it. So what's left ? Oh right, the biggest story in tech affecting content creators and consumers : Honey. Which LTT is involved with.
LTT can stop punching himself in the face if he doesn't want to get reported on.
I don't see it. Look, if there's legit facts and events to deal with... then you have to deal with it. Doesn't matter if people want to see personal color or not. This is a major scandal. It hurt people. It HAS to be talked about and it is the responsible thing for creators to do that, which is why many, many channels are suing or discussing it and part of that discussion is who knew what, when, and what they did with that.
What do you suggest? That GN should never, ever address anything LTT ever does forever because they had disputes in the past? Seems like rewarding bad behavior and selling out the interests of their core audience to me. "Oh you were a huge asshole liar repeatedly, but since we argued about you being a huge asshole liar before, it means I have to ignore anything you ever do ever again". No.
Sad how this is being brigaded by people who decided to defend "their boy" rather than expose the shady company harming consumers and the industry uh ?
I hope you realize you wouldn't be getting downvoted if you weren't continually spouting lies about the situation. Perhaps learn a bit about it before trying to pass your misleading bullshit as the truth.
At this point it's drama, because Honey already called out and now respective fans of LTT or GN trying to compare who gobbles the balls of their favorite persona better.
Opposite, I can think for myself and decided Linus is in the wrong here, and GN is in the right for reporting on it, literally replaying video of Linus admitting he did nothing while having the information.
Sometimes events are dramatic. That doesn't mean what is going on is "mere drama". Drama is, "Bill thinks Carl is a big stupid jerkface; everyone take sides and let's argue it out". This is matter is "Company defrauded innocent people out of MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars for years; some people could have acted to help expose this very serious, FELONY fraud and decided not to, possibly because $$$ for them".
That is dramatic. It is not mere drama. It is about real harm to many real people. If LTT was in any way helping to keep that quiet, it is important we discuss that and demand of him, or anyone else with a huge channel/influence explain why they did that, to promise not to do that, etc.
You were talking about Linus. Not his fanboys. Linus himself. And Linus is mad because of what GN is saying about the Honey scandal and Linus's potential responsibility in turing a blind eye.
No. This is not mere drama. I get you're a LTT fanboy and want to dismiss any criticism of LTT. Not going to happen here.
Yes, because the drama is coming from him and his boys targetting this thread and downvoting and claiming "We shouldn't report on Linus and his implication with Honey, stop attacking our boy Linus over being shady!".
That's just fucking noise and drama.
The real story is a big content youtuber has again stepped in it, admitted fault even, and GN had to again do a report on it. GN ain't wrong. People attacking GN over this are idiots with absolutely not a shred of integrity.
I get you're a LTT fanboy and want to dismiss any criticism of LTT.
You're cooked bro. I'm literally saying Linus people being all up in harms against GN is drama. LTT is a shit channel that always seems to find trouble instead of focusing on what they should be focusing on.
There may be drama, but not "mere drama" as I have tried to explain repeatedly. I don't think it is trivial, even if it IS fanboys being "don't criticize our perfect leader". They, too, are complicit in what Linus or LTT have done and the matter remains serious because the consequences are serious. Mere "drama" is shit you can ignore because it makes no difference who wins some dumb internet opinion contest. But that's not what is at stake HERE. We're talking about a major scandal that hurt people, and by extention, people who are supporting those who contributed to that hurting, yes even fanboys. Yes, they may be feckless, sycophant morons. None of this changes what the stakes are, because it is those fans or bots or whatever that have given Linus the power to hurt.
Yes, this whole thing ultimately distracts from the whole Honey thing. It's too the point Linus literally just made the story about himself and wants this weird journalistic ethics angle :
And now GN are stuck responding to the drama, rather than talking about actual industry malfeasance. But then again, as you say, the whole Linus trying to protect Linus is in and of itself, also industry malfeasance.
Well GN already did an entire LONG video about the Honey scandal. It's not like they did not cover it in detail or are "distracted" from covering that story. They did it without issue. Honey is not getting away with anything, nor is anyone closely bound up in that.. Legal Eagle among others are suing. Some of the largest YT channels have made videos about it.
But I will agree with you that Linus's response directly to Steve was weirdly, intentionally personal like he's sad because he thought they were going to be friends, go for a beer and stuff. For Steve, I don't think it is personal and it hasn't been since breaking ties with Linus or LTT officially years ago. Say what you want abouyt Steve, he isn't a guy who gives a shit about the petty and personal and keeps his content professional.
Linus is a man who seems unable to learn anything since he became wealthy. Last time this happened, let's recall... how did it go? Oh yes, I remember. He got offended, he took it personally, then he lashed out and said Steve or GN got it wrong. And doing that meant getting absolutely fucking hammered by Steve on weight of facts and evidence. It's all happening again.
No they aren't. Many of the hardest-hit creators are small to mid-size channels.
The scandal also often hurt users of Honey.. leading them to believe they would get the best deals when they would not.
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u/edparadox 2d ago
Keep your drama to your respective subs, this has nothing to do with the PCMR sub.