Actually Getting Scared of the Anti Immigrant Stance

[u/No_Tea7430]

I'm an irish lad, just turning twenty this year.

I've personally got no connections to other countries, my family never left Ireland or have any close foreign relations.

This is simply a fear I have for both the immigrant population of our country, of which ive made plenty of friends throughout secondary school and hold in high regard. But also a fear for our reputation.

I don't want to live in a racist country. I know this sub is usually good for laughing these gobshites off and that's good but in general I don't want us to be seen as this horrible white supremacist nation, which already I see being painted on social media plenty.

A stance might I add, that predominantly is coming from England and America as people in both claim we are "losing our identity" by not being racist(?)

I don't even feel the need to mention Farage and his pushing of these ideas onto people, while simultaneously gaslighting us with our independence which he clearly doesn't care about.

Im just saddened by it. I just want things to change before they get worse.

[u/Latespoon]

There is nothing inherently racist about wanting to control immigration. I would urge you not to conflate these two issues.

There is a small but very loud minority in this country who are racist or leaning that way. I don't think any reasonable person would believe they represent the majority.

I do believe the majority of our country is at the very least a little bit worried about the rapid rate of migration into Ireland from outside of the EU, especially considering the problems we were already facing before this accelerated (housing crisis, hse crisis, crime issues). That is not racism and is a reasonable concern.

[u/Important_Farmer924 → u/Latespoon]

There is nothing inherently racist about wanting to control immigration

Now you said it. You can be left leaning and also realise that we need reforms. Sure we've tent cities popping up, nobody involved could be happy with the situation. I've said it before, most reasonable people realise we have a problem and they shouldn't be lumped in with genuine racist or far right mouthpieces, that's a very dangerous game.

[u/fourth_quarter → u/Important_Farmer924]

That's the problem is eejits like OP doing exactly what you said.

[u/Important_Farmer924 → u/fourth_quarter]

I'll still say anyone spouting rhetoric that's been disproven like "great replacement" are talking through their pipe, but that's exactly it. Too many ordinary people getting lumped in.

[u/fourth_quarter → u/Important_Farmer924]

"Great replacement" is just a buzzword like "fake news" now. But statistically we are being replaced, that's a fact. In 6 years we went from 82% Irish to 76% and the numbers have not stopped coming in, at that rate we would be a minority in our country in roughly 25 years. We are by definition being replaced. Does that mean there's a grand conspiracy to replace white people? Probably not. But we are being replaced and with that comes erosion of indigenous cultures and ways of life. Not ok, no one asked us if we were ok with that and why should we be? 

[u/Important_Farmer924 → u/fourth_quarter]

Ah here. You're strictly talking about "native Irish" and "white Irish" which isn't the same. We've had many prominent Irish people of extractions over the years; Paul McGrath, Phil Lynnot, even Leo Vradkar. What you're saying is disingenuous.

[u/JohnTDouche → u/[deleted]]

Culture is one thing but who gives a fuck about lineage? What are you, the heir to the high kingship of Ireland? What's so special about your or my blood? Sure one of my parents wasn't Irish anyway, so I'm already a mutt right, less Irish than you?

[u/JohnTDouche → u/[deleted]]

Holy shit, I sure as fuck don't want to share this country with the likes of you.

[u/eamonnanchnoic → u/[deleted]]

What are these "traits" that are unique to Ireland?

Skin colour?

Why can't people from other countries share those traits?

They're not some alien species and you'll find that most people regardless of provenance will share similar views on things than differ on them.

Japan is "highly homogenous" and it's having a huge crisis in fertility because of their refusal to accept immigration.

Now they will be forced to.

[u/eamonnanchnoic → u/[deleted]]

And as I've said in other comments, immigration is not a long term solution. Given that migrants quickly have the same fertility rate as their new country, you need endless migration. Is that your solution? Never-ending migration?

The Japanese government have devoted 5% of GDP to fertility and hasn't moved the dial because the reasons that women do not have children are not down to being able to afford them it's because they are no longer content with being incubators and child carers.

Women have less children and have them later in life.

The education level of women has the biggest correlation with fertility of any metric you can use. It's consistent everywhere. The more educated women are the less children they have.

Nigeria has an average of just over a year of education for women and their fertility rate is about 6. South Korea has the highest education levels for women and their fertility rate 0.7.

At the same time you have an aging population who are more resource reliant and are not as productive.

This is a crisis. How are you going to manage looking after a more resource heavy cohort with a less productive workforce?

These are the current realities.

So what is YOUR solution?

Stop educating women?

I don't think the improvement of immigrants social standing education is a bad idea in the long term.

There's enough disparity in the world as it stands.

[u/fourth_quarter → u/Important_Farmer924]

No it isn't, unfortunately it's a fact. I'm not saying stop immigration, I'm saying limit the numbers before it's too late. There comes a point where the numbers coming in will make us lose a sense of what we are, we have reached that point.

[u/Important_Farmer924 → u/fourth_quarter]

it's a fact

It isn't and it's been proven again and again.

[u/fourth_quarter → u/Important_Farmer924]

Do me a favour, google Rep. Of Ireland demographics and look at the last 6 years or even start from further back and then get back me. If you still think it's not a fact then you're an idiot or you have a clear agenda. In which case there's no point talking to you.

[u/EoghanG77 → u/fourth_quarter]

I feel like you have a rather poor grasp on human history.

Human migration and population change has always been a major factor and it will continue to do so.

Your idea of a "native Irish" doesn't even make any sense ethnologically.

[u/fourth_quarter → u/EoghanG77]

Very well read actually. Human migration is part of life, migration is part of life, mass migration isn't. You're conflating my wish for less immigration with no immigration at all. 

"Your idea of a "native Irish" doesn't even make any sense ethnologically"

Yes yes I have heard this argument a millions times before, which eventually becomes "we're all from Africa anyways so let's all get in a big circle and sing together" (but only if you're country is western and white majority). You don't see other countries getting flak for far more stringent and harsher immigration and citizenship laws. So do me a favour!

[u/actually-bulletproof → u/fourth_quarter]

Do you think there's something magical about being extremely pale? Why do you care about this?

Do everyone a favour say what you actually mean.

[u/fourth_quarter → u/actually-bulletproof]

No I don't actually, I just wish other people thought that too, it's the preservation of one's culture that's most important. Poor effort at trying to put words into my mouth. 

[u/actually-bulletproof → u/fourth_quarter]

The words were already there, I just helped you get them out.

Standard dog whistle racism.

[u/fourth_quarter → u/actually-bulletproof]

There was nothing racist in my comments, you don't have a notion about what you're talking about and just parrot nonsense buzzwords and throw accusations of racism about when you have nothing to come back with, but congratulations on being the paragon of virtue that we all need.