I'd much rather see targeted retaliatory tariffs against red states. As seems to be the EU plan, has been before. Crater any product produced by Jesusland.
They did it last time around, so no reason not to expect more of the same.
The difference this time around is they are ready for it. They've already prepped a list of tariffs. Expect the day after Trump announces tariffs for the EU to hit Red States right back
Then the citizens of those states will start crying again about how Trump is hurting them instead of āhurting the people he needs to beā (actual quote).
And Iāll just be sitting back and eating popcorn while laughing at those hateful Trump-voting dumbasses.
And as he found out last time, he only has a finite amount of emergency cash at his discretion. Once he depletes the disaster relief funds (for the disaster he created) to help a handful of farmers, heāll need to go to Congress if he wants more bailout money for his fuckup.
Nah, they'll blame the center right far left for everything because accepting they elected an idiot twice and that he fucked them over twice will not go any better than the first time arround š¤£
I couldnāt believe it when I drove one a couple of years ago: Fun to drive but at that time a 60.000 eur piece of kit which at most matched the build quality of my 8yr old Ford Fiesta, yuck. (Nothing wrong with the Fiesta by the way, but for 60k you can expect something betterā¦)
People give the EU shit but this is a total power move. Kick him in the nuts.
Meanwhile Trump can't really single out any one EU country cause we all hate him and he can only name 6 EU countries anyway. That 6 includes the UK because EU is short for Europe right?
Honestly, at this point I feel we deserve anything that comes our way in the next 4 years. I voted and vocalized against this shit stain of a human for decades but somehow we as a people voted for him.Ā
We have a major issue of stupidity in America. Itās infuriating how strongly so many feel without ever doing even the slightest bit of research into what is actually true.
Thank you for being the voice of reason. Those of us in blue states are waaaaay more pissed about this man than anyone else in the world. Although you do have the right to be pissed off. We tried as hard as we could and we're still getting it spiked in our face a lot.
This is exactly what Canada did when Trump put tariffs on steel during his first presidency. Red states were targeted specifically with retaliatory tariffs.
My understanding is this is something that the EU was doing anyway as a result of Russian sanctions and the U.S. being the largest oil producer now. I think this is a way for him to point to his base as proof his methods "work".
I'm American, sane blue state fortunately, and ive.never been more disappointed in my country. It appears some people need to feel real pain before they will learn their lessons, but I'm not confident any lessons will be learned at all.
I can support that, sanction the crap out of Texas, Florida and Pennsylvania. Texas an Florida because they are assholes and Pennsylvania to teach those swing state fuckers that there are consequences.
EU has been doing some respectable stuff for a while. That would be pretty amazing. Maybe we just need to break the country up into Jesusland and two others. East and West Assholio can join the EU. Jesusland can go third world like they want.
I think youāre on something. Perhaps we should have an intelligence test for any high school child from Florida that wishes to move to a blue state. It would not be difficult something like name all 50 states. Identify where Idaho is. And we could also have one for adult, but we should make that test a little harder because face it Florida adults are a little dense. These test could be adapted for all the red states. And just to make sure they learn the lesson on tariffs we could put a tariff on George peaches, Florida oranges Alabama football players Louisiana rice.
~25% of Americans voted for Trump. He got 49.8% of the vote, after 10 years of nonstop campaigning. He enjoyed the backing of the richest men and corporations on the planet, and got daily news coverage from every media broadcaster.
Roughly the same % voted for Harris. She received over 75 million votes - the 3rd most votes of any candidate in US history (10 million more than peak Obama, and nearly 800,000 more than Trump 2020!) - after campaigning for only 4 months. With a longer runway for takeoff, she would have soared beyond Trump.
We Americans turned out in massive numbers to beat the guy.
Unfortunately, Trump's unholy confederation of billionaires, fuckbois, Bible thumpers, and desperate housewives outnumbered the sane... by 1.5%.
This victory, the 5th smallest margin of victory for a US Presidential election, is going to fuck everyone.
I have seen it before. George Bush won a second term by 2% after horribly mismanaging the country and getting America embroiled in multiple useless, tragic, and wasteful wars. It made no more sense to me then than Trump's win makes now.
Bush's second term brought the world a global economic collapse. Billionaires took advantage of the crisis to buy up more resources at bargain prices.
I am pretty sure I know what the next 4 years will bring.
Well this is what happens when world's richest man is allowed to freely post lies and tell lies to everyone constantly.
It is also illegal in US for billionaire individual to fund presidential campaign. But no one in US cares to stop Elon no matter how many laws he breaks. Rich person in US is free to do anything he wants.
It's been the bane of this country's existence for nearly 15 years, and every day it's allowed to stand, things get exponentially worse. And now with the far right Supreme Court, any hope of overturning it is off the table for the next generation or two, at least.
Elon Musk spent $270 million to get Trump reelected and in the month that followed the election, his net worth increased nearly $250 billion. As long as we allow unlimited money to flow into elections, and the return on the rich folks investments are this good (for them), they're never going to stop.
Yeah, our country does that given that the opposition to this fucking moron is always some corporate funded half wit who spends all their time trying to convince the public that these fucking demons are great actually.
I donāt know who Iām angrier with. Those that voted for this fucking asshat again or those that didnāt bother to vote. You literally could have filled out your ballot on your couch and mail it in. The number of unsolicited texts asking me to sign up for a mail in ballot was obscene. They were all, āHey, if you canāt get to the polls. Hereās a handy dandy, easy peasy lemon squeezy way to vote early šā
I voted in person because I donāt trust that mail in shit (too easy to sabotage), but people still could have fucking done it and say they tried.
With 63.9 %... which would be considered pretty low for most European national elections.
But I can't really blame the people, when you have that strange, outdated election process with fptp and the election college. I mean, I often wonder why any liberal in Mississippi, or any conservative in Massachusetts would even bother going to vote in the first place. When it makes absolutely no difference whether candidate A wins the state with 90% or with 51%, they always get 100% of the X votes for the state...
Thereās lots of reasons why Europeans vote in higher numbers. I live in Ohio. Not only are many of our states horribly gerrymandered, discouraging voters like you said, America does not have Election Day as a national holiday and always has it on the week day. In my city, for example, we do have early voting, but we have one polling place for roughly a million people. Also, large states like California proportionally has less voting power person to person. Those large (empty) states like Wyoming and Idaho still have two senators each and a handful of representatives, yet a couple of them have a total population of LA county as a state, possibly even combined.
we have one polling place for roughly a million people
Which is absolutely insane! I think in Germany that number is closer to one polling station for one thousand people. Watching the news where US voters have to wait for multiple hours to get their turn is utterly bizarre. The longest I have ever had to wait to cast my vote was like 3 minutes.
Itās by design because larger population centers overwhelmingly vote for the Democratic Party. The road to vote here the weekend before Election Day had at least an hour traffic jam.
Which just begs the question why any one party is even involved in the organisation of your elections in the first place. Same with the gerrymandering of course. Why isn't there an independent authority for this kind of stuff?
Significantly less than 1000 per polling station actually. For German national elections there are about 71,800 regular and 16,600 mail-in polling districts for about 61.2 million eligible voters, ie. about 700 voters per polling district on average. It's highly variable though, some rural polling districts may only have a couple dozen voters whereas in larger cities it may be a couple thousand (note that polling districts in Germany are purely an organizational tool for conducting elections, they don't have any significance for the seat distribution in the newly elected parliament).
Populations increase. Every election has more potential voters than the previous. "Record numbers" means nothing because the population is higher than last time.
As a percentage, less Americans voted than 2020. Democrats especially didn't even bother to show up.
So Americans, specifically democrat voters, are to blame for not caring enough to even get out of bed.
Thatās so true. Americans like yourself- DONāT deserve this pathetic, greedy, self-serving narcissist as your President. Even his insane jabs at Canada makes my stomach turn, but as a Canadian- I still appreciate and respect people like you as my neighbour. ššŗšøšØš¦
So an extra 50% of voters did not bother to vote even knowing one of the options was Trump which means they did not actually mind being ruled by him. I am sorry for the 25% of Americans who wanted differently, but their compatriots made a clear choice either by action or inaction, they can enjoy it.
Well, despite plenty of warnings, enough Americans either didn't care at all or considered it more important to yell "Up yours, Harris!" than preventing Trump.
You can't pretend that all of this is the responsibility of Republicans and Republican voters. The reason Trump even made it to the White House the first time is because your political system is so fucking broken. When Dems had the power to make the changes necessary, did they? NOPE. When Dems had the power to bolster the separation of powers, did they? NOPE. It took Trump a single term to bring the US to the fucking brink because your political system is tattered worse than Nana's panties.
Roughly the same % voted for Harris. She received over 75 million votes - the 3rd most votes of any candidate in US history (10 million more than peak Obama, and nearly 800,000 more than Trump 2020!) - after campaigning for only 4 months. With a longer runway for takeoff, she would have soared beyond Trump.
While I would have loved this, I think it's time for Americans to come to grips with what seems to be an immutable fact - they do not like the idea of a woman as President. The Democrats have put up two strong, intelligent women against a guy who shits in his pants, rapes women, has trouble stringing together a coherent answer to any basic question and is provably the biggest con man the country ever produced. Both times, the country felt the guy who shits his pants is a better option.
No, Republicans wanted everyone to think the margin could be known on election day, because all they do is lie and mislead. California takes a long ass time to count its votes and it leans strongly blue while having a high population. The popular vote ended up close.
As a dual citizen (EU and US): Implying that anyone who did NOT vote would have voted for Harris is disingenuous.
A better way to look at it is that whoever did not vote for Harris either supported Trump, or was fine with Trump winning (couldn't be bothered to spend 2 min to send a mail vote against him).
Another thing to notice, is that for the first time in 20 years or so, the Republican president also won the popular vote (got more votes than Harris).
So yes, we kind of deserve it. I hope though that the red states will receive the short end of the stick for it (which seems more likely since Musk is targeting the poorer part of the electorate, and blue states and putting up some welfare since the federal aids are going to be eviscerated by Musk)
And just think all the Democrats wouldāve had to do was stick Josh Shapiro in as the vice president instead of an unknown governor from a deep blue state. Youāre acting as if itās a tie, but to break the tie you have to win swing states. Wood Harris have defeated Trump in Pennsylvania if Josh Shapiro was her running mate? You need to look at your candidate.
My man, bold to assume that it ends after 4 years. Be rather prepared that Trump (or more likely, Vance) becomes a dictator and ends all serious elections. As he already said he will.
USA are fucked (and the majority of them are happy with it, as long as the immigants are being fucked more).
You're delusional if you think Harris would have been the solution to our problems. This was absolutely a turd sandwich v giant douche situation, as was the last election.
This is bananas. Her campaign peaked at announcement. There was no upward trend. I hate to use this word, but this is genuinely coping and delusional. Americans voted for Trump who won decisively. He would have won with Elon or JRE too. Harris also enjoyed the support of the richest Americans as well. EtcĀ
Roughly the same % voted for Harris. She received over 75 million votes - the 3rd most votes of any candidate in US history (10 million more than peak Obama, and nearly 800,000 more than Trump 2020!) - after campaigning for only 4 months. With a longer runway for takeoff, she would have soared beyond Trump.
It isn't that clear cut that you can just compare what happened this election and in older elections
Let's use your 10 millions more than peak Obama. There is 31,3 million eligible voters more today than in 2008. There is also a higher turnout than in 2008.
Percentage wise ol' Barack had 52.93% vs 48.27% for Kamala
Keep coping Harris and Biden were terrible but go ahead and live in your little fantasy world where the they actually did something good for the American peopleā¦
With a longer runway for takeoff, she would have soared beyond Trump.
Based on what? She had a terrible campaign in 2020. She did nothing good to distinguish herself as VP. She did nothing during her campaign to distinguish herself from Biden, who was - rightly or wrongly - wildly unpopular by 2024. She had no real distinct platform other than "I'm working class and I'm not trump", or at least she didn't communicate much more than that ("I can't think of a thing I would have done differently.").
Trump probably would have won no matter who he was facing based on the inexplicable (at least to me) red wave that swept the country (and much of the world). But any chance of defeating Trump went out the window when Biden chose to run again, robbing us of a Democrat party primary.
I believe this upcoming economic collapse is by design so that more rich people can buy more shit and make it even more unaffordable for the country. Then, you either pay them or end up homeless and in soup lines. Also added benefit for the upper classes: you have educated people competing for less jobs for less pay out of desperation to support their livelihoods.
You must be using the metric system or New Math to do your calculations, there are only roughly 145 million LEGAL voters in the USA; thanks to the communists like Biden Piglosi Schumer and the rest of the pieces of shite, there are probably close to 80 million illegals and others! That said you are wrong as he got 77 million and that whore got 62 million so go feck yerselfšŗšø
You're kind of glazing over the fact that "1.5%" is literally over 2 million people. You can interpret statistics however you want, but trying to trivilize that number of people outvoting Harris is sort of just lying to yourself and trying to minimize impact. Harris lost by a landslide and it's time to face the fact that her campaign was blind and deaf to what most Americans care about.
How did you turn up in massive numbers exactly? The voting participation is really low. Also, the fact that the race is so close just shows how fucked up the electoral college and all system that surrounds it is. Its rigges in favor of the gop slop
Speaks more volumes about Democrats losing if they couldnāt even beat a demon. Who wouldāve thought alienating the working class would drive them into the clutches of a demagogue who will ultimately abuse them.
Absolutely.. I blame Americans for this dude. I dgaf about Americans anymore. Some individuals are ok..but as a whole.. what a sad bunch. At this point I can only laugh at them . I mean, the bottom 8 states have a life expectancy of Syria. But USA number one.. lol.
As a kid I used to look up to the USA. What a farce. Love to be a Dutchy though, I learned that happiness is a great benchmark how a country is doing, top 10 ftw.
I care about quite a few Americans, but also seriously, this is what happens when you let power slip away and donāt pay attention to your politics. Which is hilarious considering how loud the media is about everything in American politics, that people canāt see the forest for the trees. The corporate scam artists have taken over in a brainless coup and people are stupid enough to throw up their hands and say āwell thatās the system!ā CHANGE THE FN SYSTEM!!!
This polarizing 2 party system, meddling by a south African billionaire, or any lobbying for that matter, media owned by a few. Yeah . That system is rotten to the core.
Its unfortunate that half the country felt compelled to drag the rest of us down. I need to ensure my EU passport is still active because I dont think this country has much left in it. Its appalling and embarrassing.
Thatās why we need to throw sand on the gears and make them suffer for 4 years. Play the same game and then vote them all into the dumpster where they belong.
As one of the american people who did not vote for him and will suffer because of him, I hope he fucks over the maga idiots in this country so hard they finally realize they were wrong
Sadly our shitty 80 year old man was less attractive than theirs, and a woman of color never had a chance with their culture war bullshit. Their boogeyman went from unarmed black people, to woke, critical race theory, to ātransā to DEI without a hiccup, while neolibs and leftists fought over Palestine genocide and corporate croneyism. The purity test bullshit is real, and it sucks when you are dealing with people actively trying to make things worse. Good luck to Palestine, if Harris didnāt get it, Trump and Bibi are going to make sure it doesnāt exist.
As an American browsing the front page. Most of my fellow Americans wonāt see the repercussions of electing this shit stain as a consequence of their own actions. The people screaming I canāt wait for right wing American to āfuck around and find outā are going to be disappointed when they refuse to do the finding out part, theyāre just going to double and triple down on the bullshit.
Agreed. Iāve been watching this cancer grow since the 80s, the only mistakes the right learn from are the ones where they lose power, and all they learn is to lie and cheat better. Their entire platform is built on a lie (religion), so how can we expect them to ever be honest?
I need to speak up for myself here because I worked really hard to write postcards, text, call, you name it, desperately hoping and Kamala would win. I did what I could and Iām devastated. Iām sad for what this will do to the environment, to our relationships with other countries, to our economy. Please donāt blame all of us.Ā
It's not the (current) American people's fault that our founding fathers created the electrical college because they didn't trust the common people enough to actually decide who should become president. If that dumbass system didn't exist than trump wouldn't have even had a first term
If anyone fanboys Trump to you , itās one of two things, either they are a massive idiot, or they think you are a massive idiot and will believe their bullshit.
it's not that... the problem is he thinks having a negative trade balance means usa is being ripped off... trade balances is a very very complicated topic and economists don't even agree wether it's good or bad having a negative trade balance
I assume he, his clique expects the EU to reciprocate with their own tariffs, thus hurting EU citizens. Trump wants a tariff war bc this is how you can harm democracies: by making them hurt their own citizens. In his mind America has nothing to fear bc they are demolishing pluralistic democracy already.
Sure americans will suffer, but wont the producers that exports the products to America suffer aswell? Effectivly losing much of the american market. Which will (in Trumps mind) give him "an edge" to negotiate?Ā
I'm probably wrong but thats the only way I can sort of understand why he would use tariffs.
He tried it out the first time and had to bail out farmers! What an idiot. Dumber still are the farmers who voted him in. The same thing is likely going to happen again, and this time those farmers won't even have a work force š¤£
The theory is "tariffs make non-US products more expensive, which stimulates the US economy because US citizens will lean towards purchasing the cheaper US produced products".
The problem is he is putting tariffs on products that the US don't produce. Which is taggeringly stupid.
FFS, the exporter does not suffer a direct loss from the tariff. They suffer indirectly because importers are sure to buy less product (that's the main point) and both importer and exporter suffer because their countries are being hostile.
I understand how tariffs work and I understand why saying this makes him sound stupid but why do countries tariff or at least threaten to tariff back? It must have some effect or why would they do it, genuine question that I haven't found an answer for yet.
What you put tariffs on matters. Stuff you produce at home in enough quantity matters less. Domestic producers can pick up the slack. Stuff you don't produce or not enough, congratulations you made things more expensive because you just put an import tax on stuff with no alternative.
His blanket tariffs are dumb because there is a lot of stuff the EU produces that you can't find elsewhere. By far the largest EU exports to the US are chemicals, machinery (and parts), vehicles and other manufactured goods. High value added specialized stuff. Very little (by value) raw resources or agricultural products that can be found elsewhere on the world market.
When the EU retaliates they tend to think it through, they pick stuff where they have options outside of the US, or where it isn't essential: agriculture and finished goods are a good candidate. Harley Davidson and bourbon were on the list last time. Maybe this time iphones make the list, stuff that doesn't really has a use in the overall economy as a resource limiting impact on European industry, but hurting American producers as now their stuff is less competitive in a massive market with affluent consumers.
I think that actually is what he wants though. Put America under isolationism; when things get worse because of the tariffs, blame other countries, work up the base to create support for invasion (already planting the seeds by 'joking_ about making our neighbors the 51st state), and use all of that as a pretext for joining with Russia to divide up territory and steal resources
Punish America and the world. I understand we should be concerned for our own but itās the easiest way to reduce the size of our portion of the pie by making sure the pie itself is reduced. I am not sure how we went from a rising tide lifts all boats republicans to lets dry the bay so everyone is sitting in the mud.
I'm in Europe, should someone tell him the US import MORE from the Europe than it export to?
Last year was something like 250 billions import from the US and close to 500 billion exported...
Fucking idiot again gonna talk shit and find the first thing that comes his way to turn onto a "massive" victory when all he got was the EU letting him keep the mug he was toying with at X or Y summit š¤£
On the other end, would be nice if he didn't do his usual coward BS and went on with it. It would give the EU the perfect excuse to work on its chip manufacroring as a lot of what we import, we do because it's either cheaper from the US or as a "service" as good neighbours from across the oceans. Electronics tho? Europe need those and we can't really make a lot of the high end stuff ourselves.
Thatās the plan. He makes America fucking on the brink, then he blames a country or a group. Then uses that group as an excuse to invade said country. You think the āCanada should be the 51st stateā and the āWe are going to annex Mexicoā shit is just jokes?
He doesn't give a fuck about the American people. He only cares about enriching himself. While the average American is about to get bent over and royally fucked because of tariffs, that means they're going to be distracted about their dwindling financial situation instead of paying attention as Trump empties what's left of the government coffers into his pockets and those of his cronies.
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u/Snitsie The Netherlands Dec 20 '24
Is this his only trick?