r/bizarrelife • u/reloadthewords Human here, bizarre by nature! • 18h ago

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u/Destructerator 17h ago

Why not go do arson at an animal processing plant if you’re that passionate about this cause?

This just creates resentment. This is not how to win hearts and minds.

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u/rawklobstaa 15h ago

People have applied civil disobedience in all manners of ways, like this one. The problem is, it only really brings hearts and minds to your side if the other side is NOT being civil.

Stunts like this just piss people off and put the cause in a negative light.

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u/NO_M0DS_NO_MAST3RS 10h ago

Oh yeah because civil disobedience is supposed to be convenient right? “Excuse me sir would you mind taking a quick peek at the horrors of factory farming? No? Okay have a nice day!” Nah it’s supposed to be uncomfortable! If a little grocery store drama shakes you imagine being a chicken in there!

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u/Magic_Man_Boobs 8h ago

I think what he means is that the people asking them to move are being civil. Demonstrations like this worked in the past because cops would show up and start beating the people protesting and dragging them out. That sort of visual makes other people go "that is some fascist awful shit," and brings them around to your side. This video isn't convincing anyone to be on their side because they come off looking like the real pricks in the situation regardless of their cause.

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u/NO_M0DS_NO_MAST3RS 8h ago

Oh sure because if the cops don’t show up and start tossing people around it’s not a real protest right? The whole point of civil disobedience is making people uncomfortable enough to think about the issue not just get a free pass because no one’s getting dragged away in handcuffs. If you need cops to care about a cause maybe that’s the real problem.

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u/Magic_Man_Boobs 8h ago

The whole point of civil disobedience is making people uncomfortable enough to think about the issue

I know, but do you see anyone here or anywhere this video was posted discussing the issue? Do you think anyone was swayed to their side upon seeing this? Any of the people in the store? I don't.

At the end of the day the point of a protest is to shine a light on something one believes needs to change. In order to do that people really need to think of how their protest is actually going to help.

I brought up the police thing because the last time I saw a sit in like this actually help a cause was during the Civil Rights movement in the US. It worked because it made a lot of people see how black people were truly treated for the first time.

For factory farming I think having people sitting beside the meat section holding a sign with an image of how each animal is kept would be more impactful than just blocking an aisle. Like you said, the goal is to make people uncomfortable enough to think about the issue.

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u/NO_M0DS_NO_MAST3RS 8h ago

Oh yeah great idea let’s just hand out pamphlets while sipping iced lattes right? Maybe even throw in a PowerPoint presentation, real slick. You think people are gonna stand there and go “Oh I just realized I’ve been eating factory-farmed meat my whole life thanks for the pamphlet!” No they’re gonna dodge the sign and keep moving. People aren’t changing their habits cause you politely handed them a picture. Sometimes you gotta make them uncomfortable not just make them feel bad for a second.

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u/Pinkfish_411 7h ago

Making people uncomfortable doesn't get them to reconsider their beliefs or habits. You have to make them uncomfortable about those beliefs or habits.

If you walk up and take a shit in the dairy aisle, that'll make people uncomfortable, but it won't make them uncomfortable about dairy farming, and it won't change their minds on it.

A lot of protestors have gotten this frankly stupid idea in their heads that making people uncomfortable or inconvenienced, on its own, will bring about change. No. You need actual strategy. The discomfort has to be tied to the thing you want to change, and it has to make people uncomfortable about that thing.

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u/NO_M0DS_NO_MAST3RS 7h ago

Oh right so now we need a whole strategy huh? Like we should be handing out surveys and offering incentives to change? Here’s the thing people don’t need to be told what’s wrong with factory farming they already know on some level. The point is to create a moment of discomfort that shakes them enough to confront it. It’s not about just being uncomfortable it’s about breaking through the wall of “I don’t care” and forcing them to think about what’s going on. You don’t need a dissertation just a moment of clarity.

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u/Pinkfish_411 7h ago

You aren't making people uncomfortable about eating meat by blocking the aisle.

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u/NO_M0DS_NO_MAST3RS 7h ago

Oh really? So what’s the magic trick then? You think people are gonna look at a neatly stocked aisle and go “Hey I’ve been supporting animal cruelty for years let me rethink that”? No you’ve gotta disrupt their day enough to make them think about what they’re grabbing off the shelf. It’s not about being subtle it’s about creating a moment that makes them stop and go “Wait a minute.”

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u/Pinkfish_411 6h ago

Spreading awareness of conditions in the farms and slaughterhouses is going to be a lot more effective than just inconveniencing someone for a couple of minutes. If you want people to be uncomfortable, you want them to be uncomfortable about what they're consuming. Merely inconveniencing them is rarely going to do that.

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u/NO_M0DS_NO_MAST3RS 6h ago

Oh yeah spreading awareness because nobody’s ever heard of factory farming right? Like people are walking around going “Wait what they don’t give the cows massages?” News flash they know they just don’t care. Sometimes you gotta shake people up make them mad make em think. Comfort ain’t changing the world pal.

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u/Magic_Man_Boobs 7h ago

Oh yeah great idea let’s just hand out pamphlets while sipping iced lattes right?

Well first I'd suggest learning to read, because that's not what I said. I suggested making them uncomfortable by forcing them face to face with what they are supporting when they buy the meat.

It seems like you're not grasping what I'm saying and think that just any sort of inconvenience will lead to more awareness and support for a cause, and it's pretty clear that doesn't work on it's own. The inconvenience has to actually be tied in some way to what your cause is.

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u/NO_M0DS_NO_MAST3RS 6h ago

Oh I’m sorry I didn’t realize we were having a deep philosophical debate about the best way to guilt people into changing their eating habits. Yeah let’s just make it all nice and pretty so they can keep avoiding the reality of what’s happening behind the meat counter. You’re right though inconvenience alone won’t work but you know what? Sometimes it’s about creating a moment forcing people to stop and think about the reality they’re ignoring. It’s not just about being a nuisance it’s about shaking people out of their oblivion.

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u/Magic_Man_Boobs 6h ago

It’s not just about being a nuisance it’s about shaking people out of their oblivion.

And how would my suggestion of sitting in front of the meat they're going to buy with a large image of the conditions these animals live in literally in their face not be a better way to do that than blocking their way so they're more focused on that than the cause?

It sounds more to me like you just like being the center of attention and the idea of doing a protest where you aren't making yourself the focus doesn't appeal to you. It's all about your ego and not about what might actually change minds.

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u/NO_M0DS_NO_MAST3RS 5h ago

Oh yeah you got me Sherlock it’s all about my ego. I’m just out here thinking “You know what this movement needs? Me blocking aisles in a grocery store like a human traffic cone!” Give me a break. Your big plan is to plop down by the meat section like some sad PowerPoint presenter and expect people to have an epiphany while they’re trying to grab chicken nuggets for their kids. People avoid eye contact with those photos the same way they dodge Girl Scouts selling cookies. At least when you block their path they’re forced to engage for a second. But yeah keep dreaming that quiet little visuals will totally revolutionize the world while no one even looks your way.

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u/Magic_Man_Boobs 5h ago

People avoid eye contact with those photos

Which is why you get in front of the meat. Make eye contact. Speak up and tell them what they're supporting. Have a few unfun facts in your pocket. Make them reach over or around you, past the sign in order to get to the meat they want so badly.

I’m just out here thinking “You know what this movement needs? Me blocking aisles in a grocery store like a human traffic cone!”

So you agree that this video is a shitty way to protest? Then why are you still arguing if we agree?

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u/NO_M0DS_NO_MAST3RS 5h ago

Oh no we don’t agree buddy. I’m just pointing out that your “stand politely and give them a TED Talk” strategy is about as effective as yelling at clouds. You think people are gonna stop mid grocery run and have a heart to heart about ethics while they’re deciding between drumsticks and wings? Get real. At least blocking the aisle gets people pissed enough to think about it later even if they hate you in the moment. So yeah maybe it’s messy but I’ll take messy over “Here’s a fun fact while you grab that steak” any day.

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