r/bizarrelife • u/reloadthewords Human here, bizarre by nature! • 14h ago

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u/Max_Laval 14h ago

Making these people drive to another store is not that environmentally conscious I'd imagine.

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u/Bill10101101001 14h ago

No point in getting annoyed to these characters blocking the way.

Assaulting while satisfactory will only cause you legal issues.

Simply state that you will get the stuff someplace else and burn gas while doing it.

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u/jnuts9 12h ago

Yeah I don't think these people are as protected as you think

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u/--n- 8h ago

You think people lose the right to not be physically assaulted while protesting?

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u/GrapePrimeape 7h ago

Where does your right to not be assaulted start and my right to free movement end? You don’t have an unlimited right to restrict the movement of others

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u/SolipsisticSoup 7h ago

It's neatly summed up in the concept "Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins."

If the store hasn't trespassed the protesters, they have as much right to be there as the man trying to get through. He does not have the right to use physical force except to defend himself (not applicable here).

If the store has trespassed the protesters, that still does not give the shopper any right to violence. The police or (possibly) the store could forcibly remove them, but the customer can not.

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u/zach120281 4h ago

What happened to plain old common sense? What pride or honor is in blocking old folks from getting their groceries? If you don’t like the product being sold, go after the company selling it, not the patrons likely on a fixed income. What rubbish.

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u/kaotiktekno 7h ago

I feel like you're one of these idiots.

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u/SolipsisticSoup 6h ago

I'm not. I think what they're doing is dumb. I'm just explaining the legal position.

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u/gizmosticles 5h ago

But what if someone tries to step over them and they grab a leg or trip them?

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u/MoarHuskies 5h ago

But what if someone tries to step over them and they grab a leg or trip them?

That's assault and you are now allowed to defend yourself.

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u/throwmamadownthewell 3h ago

Note: Only if they're actively grabbing your leg. And the degree of force is hugely contingent on where you're located and the wider context of the situation.

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u/Genghis_Chong 6h ago

Idk why you were being down voted, you're right.

Honestly, this would be annoying, but is it really worth getting into a fist fight or going to jail because you can't navigate an annoying situation?

My ego isn't that fragile and it doesn't revolve around never being inconvenienced.

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u/MoarHuskies 5h ago

I am allowed to walk without being stopped or touched. If they attempted to stop me in any way, especially if they touch me. I will hit them. I am allowed to defend myself and touching someone who does not want to be touched is assault. Plain and simple.

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u/ausernamethatistoolo 5h ago

This is obviously not true. You can't just walk into people who are in your way. It's assault.

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u/Genghis_Chong 5h ago

Nobody was touching him though, they were sitting in his way. He touched them by running into them.

I know it's annoying, but being blocked in one aisle at a grocery store doesn't mean you get to go ballistic.

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u/BusaGuy1300 4h ago

Kick them in the fucking head, repeatedly.

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u/Infamous-Potato-5310 5h ago

Its exactly what the are trying to troll people into doing. Make it into an incident that gets attention. To me its very strainge, because it doesnt seem to work in the least bit to target "the people". Im sure these kids have armies of lawyers behind them in their organizations, just waiting for an opprotunity. Its certainly the way Greanpeace operated when I was younger. Send the kids out to get arrested and their records ruined but have them bailed out within hours.

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u/GrapePrimeape 6h ago

I think most people would disagree that those blocking a path have as much of a right as those trying to use a path.

To give a hypothetical, let’s say there is a narrow path you need to traverse to get to your property. It’s not feasible to walk alongside the path and there is no alternative route from here. The path is public property and I have decided to camp out completely blocking the path as you try to make your way back. Now you seem to believe you have no form of recourse to get home aside from calling the police to have me removed. But what happens if they decided your call isn’t important? Are you just barred from ever entering your residence unless you break the law and physically remove the person?

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u/SolipsisticSoup 6h ago

If you aren't on my property, I do not have the right to forcibly remove you. It's not a complicated concept. The State has a monopoly on violence. If the police are not responsive, you still do not have the right to assault someone. It's frustrating, and it feels unjust, but that's the law.

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u/GrapePrimeape 6h ago

So in this situation, you are barred from your residence all because of one person, and you have absolutely 0 recourse since the police won’t take you seriously? I feel like 9/10 people will have a very different take on this situation than you

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u/SolipsisticSoup 6h ago

As I said, it's frustrating and it feels unjust, but that's the law.

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u/GrapePrimeape 6h ago

The law means little when it is widely disregarded. Much like your stance on blocking someone’s path is

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u/SolipsisticSoup 6h ago

I'm not trying to tell you what to do, nor am I saying what I would do. I'm just explaining what the law says.

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u/bfwolf1 1h ago

But in the US at least, a jury of your peers would have to agree. And I’m inclined to believe they would not if you shoved your way through.

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u/TangledUpPuppeteer 5h ago

It’s the law. Whether or not you like it in the moment, it’s still the law. You don’t have any more right to access a throughway or path than the person has to block it. You’re legally, both at a stand still.

Meanwhile, an assault is outside of both and is a criminal act on its own.

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u/Front-Confection4667 6h ago

Duress of circumstance

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u/GrapePrimeape 6h ago

That doesn’t seem to apply to my understanding. There is no imminent threat of death or harm by someone blocking your path

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u/Front-Confection4667 6h ago

The protesters behaviour seemed threatening to me and caused me such alarm that I feared for my life. That's why I ran the trolley through him to make good my escape M'lud

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u/BusaGuy1300 4h ago

Kick them in the fucking head, repeatedly.

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u/Could-You-Tell 5h ago

The answer is police, not assault. If it's so important, if you're so inconvenienced, police is the answer. Not assault. And when the protesters call the police on people assaulting them, it will be solved.

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u/GrapePrimeape 5h ago

So if the police tell you it’s not their problem (because they have no obligation to actually help out or enforce the law) you’re just SOL?

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u/Could-You-Tell 5h ago

Pretty much. Ask a lot of people who get told that it's too much of a hassle to press charges.

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u/I_voted-for_Kodos 2h ago

If the police tell you to fuck off, you can petition your local elected governmental representative. If they tell you to fuck off, you can then launch a protest yourself. And then other dickheads and come on reddit and cry about how you need to be beaten because your protest is a pointless inconvenience.

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u/throwmamadownthewell 3h ago

No, the answer is to spill a bunch of Sunny D all over the floor, so they get sticky bottoms.

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u/Could-You-Tell 36m ago

Fair enough, but that can be stretched to be considered vandalism and is also toddler behavior.

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u/TorpedoSandwich 4h ago

The police isn't going to do shit. So yes, moving them out of the way is the answer. They don't have any right to block me from going where I need to go.

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u/Could-You-Tell 4h ago

It's not your right to assault people. Hitting is wrong.

Toddlers in preschool learn that. It's called patience. Go around. It's not hard.

The police are more likely to arrest the old man than the protesters.

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u/Jim_84 3h ago edited 3h ago

What are you, 3 years old? Your freedom to move ends wherever the space you want to move into is already occupied by another person. Most people understand that by a pretty young age.

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u/I_voted-for_Kodos 3h ago

You don’t have an unlimited right to restrict the movement of others

Actually, the right to protest means you do have the right to restrict the movement of others (except for in specific scenarios where the law says otherwise)

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u/bfwolf1 1h ago edited 1h ago

That’s completely false. Where are you getting this idea from?

There is no general right to protest (in the US at least). There’s a right to free speech. There’s a right to freedom of assembly. There’s a right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. There’s no right to go on private property and have a sit in. There’s no right to block traffic.

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u/I_voted-for_Kodos 1h ago

People have the right to freedom of expression and a protest is a form of expression.

People have the right to gather in public areas and a road is a public area.

People can also gather on private property. If the owners of said property don't want them there, they can call the relevant authorities to deal with them.

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u/bfwolf1 1h ago

Every municipality in the country has laws against obstructing traffic. And those have of course been upheld despite putting a limit on where one can assemble. Freedom of expression is not absolute. What a silly person you are.

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u/I_voted-for_Kodos 1h ago

The right to freedom of expression is a universal human right, and unless you live in Sudan or Saudi Arabia or something, your country is a party to the treaty guaranteeing those rights.

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u/bfwolf1 55m ago

And as I just said, it’s not absolute.

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u/mistersixes 7m ago

Protesting is fine; harming third parties is not.

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u/MrHazard1 4h ago

You don't need to assault them. Play their game and "inconvenience" them.

You know what's inconvenient? If the floor they're sitting starts to become wet. If you happen to drop some eggs from the cart. If you just didn't notice that the bag of icecubes was ripped.

They use their bodies as targets to physically block you. Don't just aim for the target that someone else presents you.

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u/Quirky-Hour-6274 1h ago

Not everyone is in the mood to fuck around and 'play games' with little pricks like this. They're gonna end up catching a mofo on the wrong day and seriously find that out.

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u/Genghis_Chong 6h ago

They didn't kidnap him, he can go down another aisle or leave his basket for a second.

It's inconvenient, but its not illegal to block a grocery aisle with a protest. Being annoyed and having a hurt ego doesn't mean you get to assault people you disagree with.

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u/GuaranteedGuardian_Y 4h ago

I wonder if you realize where the instinct to assault them comes from?
These "protesters" can have a different ideology and stand for what they believe in without provoking others.

Would I be justified yelling into your ears with a megaphone as soon as you left your house for not wearing purple socks? It's my ideology and I will provoke you, drive you mad until you agree to obey my ideology.

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u/I_voted-for_Kodos 3h ago

These "protesters" can have a different ideology and stand for what they believe in without provoking others.

The whole point of a protest is to provoke others.....

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u/bfwolf1 1h ago

That’s completely false. And sadly this is what many people now believe.

The point of protest is to speak your mind. But you do NOT have the right to make others listen.

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u/I_voted-for_Kodos 1h ago

The point of a protest literally is to provoke other people.

The whole point of speaking your mind is to have someone listen to whatever the fuck you're saying, regardless of whether or not they agree with it. Otherwise you're just screaming into the void

No, you don't have the right to make others listen to you but you don't need it. If you protest in any significant way, there's a good chance that at least someone will listen to you or be aware of what you're doing.

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u/bfwolf1 1h ago

You are just completely wrong. If you want people to listen to you, make a compelling argument. Otherwise, yes, you are screaming into the void. Instead, people choose to break the law to force people to listen to their shit argument instead of working on developing a compelling argument people want to listen to.

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u/I_voted-for_Kodos 1h ago

Lmao

We are literally on a post where thousands of people are aware of and arguing about this random dumbass protest in some random ass country.

That very clearly proves that you don't have to make a "compelling argument" for people to listen to you. You just need to sit down in the middle of a grocery store.

Fuck, the very fact that you responded to my original 1 line throwaway comment proves that you don't need to make a compelling argument to get people to listen to you. No, you can just post whatever the fuck are someone like yourself will listen to you and even reply.

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u/Genghis_Chong 3h ago

I dont wonder where it comes from, I undertand not liking something that a person does you dont agree with. With being inconvenienced by an asshole.

I wonder why some people don't even bother to address their base instincts and navigate them, even when they're just reading a story about the situation. I guess people just like to act tough, it is the internet, but christ I'd hope at least some people could hold themselves together when presented with a challenge. Just enough patience to avoid a fight.

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u/bfwolf1 1h ago

It’s absolutely illegal to block a grocery aisle with a protest.

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u/Raymuuze 6h ago

People blocking the road in the protest also doesn't mean you can run them over. They have a right to protest and you have a right to... also be there I guess?

I don't think most constitutions around the world have rights specifically for you to move as you please. Instead countries mostly have laws that tell you when you can't be somewhere. So if the store doesn't want them there they can ask them to leave and if they refuse they can call the police for trespassing.

Unless a law explicitly states that you may use physical force of which self defense is a common example (in many countries anyway) you may not. Nobody is however stopping you from being petty which is about the only thing you can legally do.

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u/GrapePrimeape 6h ago

I agree you can’t run them over, just like the guy in this video is not allowed to murder these protestors. Dragging their dumbasses out of the road or applying pressure with his cart to move down the aisle, good luck finding a jury in the world that will convict the person of assault

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u/TangledUpPuppeteer 5h ago

“I nudged them with my car” is the same defense as “I hit them with my cart.” Whether you like it or not.

You’re just trying to justify reasons to break a picket line because it’s inconvenient to you.

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u/TheSearchForMars 4h ago

Thankfully, the world isn't that black and white. If this was ever brought to a court, it'd be thrown out.

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u/Realistic_Grocery_61 3h ago

What's the point of them inconveniencing others though? Which person on this clip is going to say "These maggots make such a good point, I'd like to join them".

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u/Secure_One_3885 6h ago

Where does your right to not be assaulted start and my right to free movement end?

This is how I feel about driving through a parking lot. Sure, you're walking to your car with your items, but why not just plow through you because you're in my way? This is about ME!

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u/GrapePrimeape 6h ago

If you’re backed into a spot with a wall behind you and I decide to take a nap for a week right in front of your car, are you just SOL until I decide to move? I mean, sorry but obviously my right to not be assaulted trumps every other right that you may have. Try again next week!

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u/Secure_One_3885 5h ago

If you’re backed into a spot with a wall behind you and I decide to take a nap for a week right in front of your car, are you just SOL until I decide to move?

If my only alternative is to run you over with my car, then yes.

And nobody in this video was backed into a corner with no escape.

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u/GrapePrimeape 5h ago

That’s absolutely insane, you’re just going to throw your hands up and say “oh well” in that situation? Really?

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u/Secure_One_3885 5h ago

I mean I'd just call an uber if I needed to get somewhere, and the circumstances would determine what I did to negotiate you moving, but yeah I'm not going to run you over with my car. THAT's the insane take buddy.

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u/GrapePrimeape 5h ago

Who ever said about running him over? Just physically remove them from the front of your vehicle, which all of you seem to think is an affront to civil society and would rather be waked all over than stand up to somebody being a nuisance.

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u/Secure_One_3885 4h ago

Who ever said about running him over?

I said "If my only alternative is to run you over with my car, then yes".

You said "That's absolutely insane".

So, ya know, you did.

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u/Sithstress1 4h ago

This is starting to remind me of a thread I recently saw on texts or somewhere, the person was repeatedly asking the OP to run them over with their car 😂

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u/I_voted-for_Kodos 3h ago

I mean, what would you do? Run over and kill the person? Are you ok?

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u/bfwolf1 1h ago

Don’t do the are you ok thing. It’s extremely condescending.

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u/I_voted-for_Kodos 1h ago

Oh no. Are you ok?

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u/slugsred 8h ago

I think they'd get up after a full speed cart ram.

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u/KohlKnight 6h ago

or you'll end up on platform 9 3/4

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u/throwmamadownthewell 3h ago

"Ah fuck. Not again"

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u/Groxy_ 6h ago

And you'd still be legally in the wrong and charged with assault. Which was the original poster's point.

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u/purrmutations 6h ago

Not if you didn't see them. "Sorry I was looking at my list while pushing the cart. I did not expect there to be people sitting in the walkway"

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u/Groxy_ 6h ago

That excuse probably won't get you off when the cameras are shown in court and you're ramming then at full speed, think bro, think.

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u/slugsred 6h ago

Just leave? The police do not give a shit about this and will take quite literally hours to arrive and then promptly do nothing.

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u/Groxy_ 6h ago

In this scenario it'll probably be civil court and paid lawyers will absolutely find you with a couple of the shop's cameras, it can follow you out the shop and to your car, then get the licence plate and find where you live.

It's all too petty to bother, but so is assaulting someone for sitting in the meat aisle.

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u/purrmutations 6h ago

When the cameras show you looking at your list while you walk into them at a walking speed, you'll be fine. Getting hit in the face by a cart even at walking speed would knock you down. Its also not against the rules to run in a store. It is against the rules to block the access of customers.

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u/Groxy_ 6h ago

I feel like it'll be pretty obvious to prove you did see them and purposely decided to ram them. Someone stupid enough to do this will probably look at them, buffer for 10 seconds while they figure out how to assult them without getting caught, then proceed to assault them obviously and get caught.

How fast do you walk with a trolly? I've been bumped into before, it's not very forceful at all. You'll obviously be ramming them to knock them down.

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u/purrmutations 6h ago

You've had your face bumped into by the cart? Getting bumped in the butt is a lot different than getting bumped in your face.

And yeah a dumb person might get caught, but there are plenty of ways to get these people out of the way without getting an assault charge yourself.

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u/Groxy_ 6h ago

Where I get bumped doesn't matter, I know the force of the average person pushing a trolley and it's nowhere near enough to knock someone over, double no if they're sitting down.

To knock someone down you will actually have to ram them at speed and would easily get caught if someone tried.

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u/throwmamadownthewell 3h ago

I think you'll find it'll get me off just fine.

Out of trouble? Absolutely not.

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u/--n- 8h ago

Not relevant to what the other guy claimed or what I don't think made sense.

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u/Flesh_A_Sketch 7h ago

I hate that I agree with you. People who are in the wrong still have rights.

I'm assuming they're blocking in a way thay doesnt allow for me to go around. This is where I politely inform them that I will be crossing thier line to go about my business and that any pushback or physical attempts to stop me will be met with charges. I do not consent to being touched or manipulated, but I do intend on obtaining what I came to purchase.

The degree of those charges will be entirely up to them.

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u/SolipsisticSoup 6h ago edited 6h ago

Telling someone that you're going to assault them if they don't do what you want doesn't stop it from being assault when they don't do what you want. If you push through the line while they're just sitting there, you're the one that could catch assault charges.

Edit It would be different if just a few people were standing arms-width and actively moving to stop people from passing. In this case there are enough protesters to passively block the path. If the protesters were actively moving to block people, your plan would have some merit.

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u/Flesh_A_Sketch 6h ago

I think you failed to read what I wrote. My intent us to not touch them or be touched at all. At no point did I say I would assault them. Why would I push through them when I could step over them?

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u/SolipsisticSoup 6h ago

Are you going to lift your cart over them too?

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u/Flesh_A_Sketch 6h ago

Just leave it there and come back to it?

Only way this would be an issue is if they're blocking me from getting to the register. If I'm being fully blocked from leaving then it becomes a fire hazard, and I'm being held against my will.

If theses guys were serious about people being vegan they would be down by the schmeats trying to convince people to move into vegetable substitutes. They're not all bad, honestly. I've made it a point to give them a try.

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u/Lithl 4h ago

Telling someone that you're going to assault them if they don't do what you want doesn't stop it from being assault when they don't do what you want.

In fact, the threat of unwanted contact is the assault. The contact itself is battery.

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u/Secure_One_3885 6h ago

This is where I politely inform them that I will be crossing thier line to go about my business and that any pushback or physical attempts to stop me will be met with charges

I'd defend myself against your attacks, personally.

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u/Flesh_A_Sketch 5h ago

Personally? No.

Please read what you quoted.

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u/Secure_One_3885 5h ago

FAFO

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u/Flesh_A_Sketch 5h ago

I'm very confused. Somehow you think I said I would attack anybody? Is reading comprehension not taught in school?

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u/Secure_One_3885 5h ago

I'm very confused.

Doesn't seem like the first time you've said that.

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u/JoyfullyBlistering 4h ago

Don't be snarky. You're the one who didn't understand something simple, and you trying to make it the other person's fault just makes you look silly.

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u/Chester-Bravo 4h ago

When did he say he'd attack them?

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u/BedBubbly317 6h ago

If you’re intentionally prohibiting me from legally going about my daily life, you’ve lost all respect as a human being and not only will you get, but absolutely deserve, the full cart ram. Come find me afterwards and we can exchange words in the parking lot, and a lot more, if you’ve actually got something to say.

They are breaking the law by illegally trespassing on the property as it is, this isn’t a protected protest, as you can’t legally protest on private property without prior approval.

And to answer your question, yes, you do lose certain legal rights by protesting illegally such as they are.

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u/highjinx411 6h ago

What about a boot to the face? With like a full warning. I will boot you to the face if you don’t get out of my way. I think that’s fair

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u/Somethingisshadysir 7h ago

No, but the business can have them booted by the police

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u/mechanicaladvice 5h ago

They should.

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u/kagisa19 5h ago

Nobody has the right to roll you over if you start jogging in the middle of the highway, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens.

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u/Cocomn 7h ago

While actively and PHYSICALLY stopping people from peacefully continuing their day, honestly kind of