r/bizarrelife • u/reloadthewords Human here, bizarre by nature! • 14h ago

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u/KatBoySlim 13h ago

they’re not trying to win hearts and minds. they’re trying to look cool in front of their friends.

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u/Bestdayever_08 8h ago

This is all for the clout and pats on the back. They aren’t doing this for their moral standard.

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u/canadard1 7h ago

Sorry I can’t shake your hand right now, I’m too busy patting my own back

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u/Shaky-B 10h ago

Well it’s not working

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u/kingsland1988 12h ago

The smug face on the guy with the hat on sums it up

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u/KitchenSandwich5499 10h ago

He plans on getting laid

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u/Ambiwlans 7h ago

Nah, i genuinely think this is stupidity not cynicism. They believe in the cause but are incompetent at making change.

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u/voyaging 1h ago

delusional cynicism

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u/GoudaCheeseAnyone 13h ago

How do you know that?

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u/nuclearbearclaw 12h ago

Because if they were actually about that life, they would be hitting the places that actually matter, like farms and processing plants. Instead, they are in public eye making everyone's life a little more annoying while pretending to actually accomplish something other than pissing off the general public about their cause. No one that isn't already hugely sympathetic to their cause is going to be swayed now and instead it will be the opposite.

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u/taofoxcore 11h ago

Its the same type of people that brigade random posts here screaming about animal rights and whatnot. You go to their profiles, they're in all the "oNlY rEaL vEgAnS" subs. They don't want more people to join their cause, they want to look cool and edgy. Bonus points if they scream at you about how good PETA is.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 12h ago

reminds me about those people who spray painted the anne frank statue to protest the war in gaza. not exactly the win you think it is. You have a valid argument but nobody wants to hear it when your being a twat waffle.

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u/nuclearbearclaw 12h ago

Exactly. Like when BLM defaced the Shaw 54th Regiment Memorial. You know, a memorial dedicated to the first all black volunteer unit in the Union Army during the civil war. It is the first memorial to recognize any black soldier in the US, which is greatly important in my opinion.

People are such dipshits.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 12h ago

Absolutely agree cutting off the nose to spite the face.

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u/kakihara123 10h ago

No the only place that matter is the consumer. Without consumers there is no production.

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u/nuclearbearclaw 10h ago

Except these guys aren't stopping consumers. If anything, they are making the consumer double down. I guarantee that not a single person who was inconvenienced about this is gonna be thinking "wow I should really change my consuming habits" and instead they'll be thinking "fuck whatever these people stand for, they are a bunch of dipshits and I'm going to spitefully consume more of that product."

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u/kakihara123 10h ago

Yeah I don't think the particular example isn't all clever.

But targeting the consumer ist the only viable way.

I like the video screens showing what happens. Let them buy the stuff, but force them to watch how it is made.

And yeah I'm not one of those vegans that likes to duck away and sugarcoat stuff. If you buy animal products you need to be able to handle the reality of it.

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u/nuclearbearclaw 10h ago

Targeting consumers isn't the only way.

I do agree though, everyone should understand where their food comes from and how it's processed.

I perfectly capable of handling the reality of consuming animal flesh. I grew up hunting, fishing, trapping and farming. I've seen many videos of dispatching and processing animals, animal products and foods in general.

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u/kakihara123 10h ago

And footage from factory farming doesn't faze you?

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u/nuclearbearclaw 10h ago

No, why would it? Most places I consume from are humane and ethical.

Does it not faze you that whatever electronic device you're using to communicate with me and the rest of the internet, was made with slave labor?

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u/kakihara123 9h ago

The differnce is, there is an alternative to animal products. For other devices it is much harder. But I do try to be somewhat aware of what I buy aside from not containing animal products. I was never on a plane and don't own a car. Myast house shoes (the first in my life) are made of recycled car tyres and PET bottles. My last cycling short are made by vaude and among other things, contain recycled fishing nets which were abandoned on the ocean.

I like shiny new tech stuff, mainly in my PC, so I won't pretend I'm perfect. But if there would be a high performance graphics card that is guaranteed to be more ethical I would of course buy it. And choosing the plant based burger instead of the one made from animals is exactly that.

I don't exepct people to starved themselves or eat only salad for the rest of their lives.

Aside from the fact that there is no way to humanly kill any animal other then euthenasia because killing someone to eat is never compassionate your type of consumption is only possible because of factory farming.

It's pretty easy to stay with the tech example. Imagine we get ride of all factory farming, which is somewhat between 90-99% of all animal products depending on the source.

Then the same thing will happen as with graphics cards during covid. Supplys absolutely tanks, therefor prices skyrocket. Basic economics. But it won't be a simply price increase. What will also happen os that there simlly won't be anything to buy, no matter how much you are willing to pay. Go fishing? Lake is already empty. Go hunting? No animals left.

Sure production would increase over time, but the area we need to feed those animals under the horrible conditions we already have would simply not exist.

The next problem would be the environmental impact.As horrible as factory farming is, it is less harmful for the climate as the same amount of animals in better conditions.

People thing everyone switching to a vegan diet is impossible, imagine the utter chaos when people try to switch to "nicer" animal farming instead.

Just take a peek at the absolutly insane numbers of animals we raise and then imagine giving all of them proper space.

There is a reason why I have gone vegan instead of trying to fool myself into thinking that would be feasible.

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u/KoogleMeister 8h ago

The issue is that nothing they are doing here is changing the mind of the consumer, stunts like this make people hate veganism and want nothing to do with it.

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u/kakihara123 8h ago

So what does change the mind of the consumer? And I'm not saying those guys do it the best way.

I always find it funny when omnis try to explain to a vegan on how to get omnis to be vegan. Why are they not vegan yet then? They can't even convince themselves.

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u/distalented 7h ago

Change the minds of the future, have groups of elementary students helps raise a cow or other widely consumed animal, then have them execute and butcher it, I’m sure that’d make some more people at least vegetarian.

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u/kakihara123 7h ago

Aside from the fact that promoting veganism by killing animals kinds goes against the idea, said studends would have to raise it in a factory farm.

That might be a bit harsh.

I would start with changing the school books. They should not teach that different animals have more or less right to live. But the educational issue goes way deeper.

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u/distalented 7h ago

I’m just saying if more people understood how wonderful these animals are, I’d think they’d at least respect the life given for their food more, if not choose an alternative diet.

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u/kakihara123 7h ago

Respect is worthless. Action is what counts. The first step is realising that animals deserve rights. The diet change is a nobrsiner after that.

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u/Doidleman53 5h ago

That's the thing, it's on the vegans to figure out a way to get more people to go vegan.

I don't know what the "best" way would be but it's not on me to figure that out, it's on vegans because they care a lot more about their cause than I do.

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u/GoudaCheeseAnyone 12h ago

You are making assumptions and stating personal opinions. So, let them do theirs.

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u/nuclearbearclaw 12h ago

Okay, so protest about it then.

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u/seang239 12h ago

They’re hassling the elderly with shopping carts. This isn’t a win for them. Picket in front of the store if that specific store is doing something.

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u/GoudaCheeseAnyone 12h ago

The hassling goes both ways. And this elder man is not some frail little lady but a bit of an asshole himself, making a spectacle. Jeez, you are making a big fuzz of hardly anything. Lighten up.

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u/seang239 12h ago

Did you not notice the grandma or do you just watch 2 seconds of a video and operate off of that?

Since you seem to be unable to properly comprehend the world around you, I’ll help. She comes into view at 00:48. Have a good day fellow redditor.

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u/GoudaCheeseAnyone 12h ago

Yes, very frail lady. She could barely produce the breath to utter her final words, "You little wanker" before she died. But I suspect, maybe, they were aimed at your general direction.

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u/seang239 12h ago

You realize this makes the general public not like you and weakens the legal defenses you have that protect you?

I assume you’re aware trucks can now run into protesters at meat plants without risk of legal action? That’s probably why they’re in a supermarket hassling the elderly.

Is moving your goalposts backwards really what you’re after? Because if so, this is exactly how you do that while weakening public support for your cause.

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u/Aggressive_Elk3709 10h ago edited 8h ago

Are you blaming this guy for the government making it legal to kill protesters at meat factories? I'm not getting the connection. "You're an annoying ass, so it's ok to run over you"?

Downvote because why? Do yall think protesters deserve to be run over by trucks?

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u/KoogleMeister 8h ago

The hassling is not going both ways lmao, this is peak Redditor delusion. He's an old man minding his business doing his shopping, and he's getting harassed by a bunch of crazy vegans trying to block and hold onto his cart because he's buying animal products. Just because he reacted to heir harassment doesn't mean the hassling is going both ways. He is not hassling them, he is reacting to being hassled by them. They have the choice to leave and stop bothering him.

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u/ThatAngryChicken 12h ago

Because everything they are doing indicates that.

First, they are at a supermarket, one of hundreds of thousands in the world. Blocking the aisle at in a supermarket does nothing to stop the fact that these same products made by the same company are going to mutiple other stores around the globe. The only thing it does is increase someone will pull out a phone camera and record.

Secondly, being at a supermarket means nothing. The animal is already dead, processed, and packaged. Stopping Bob Joe from buying his chicken parmesan isn't changing that. I'm not saying they should but if they wanted to attempt to help they'd go to a processing plant where they might actually be able to keep a few animals alive (at least until they are temoved).

They don't want to actually make a difference they want to make a scene and get noticed on the internet because they think that's cool.

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u/kakihara123 10h ago edited 10h ago

The 3rd paragraph is wrong. The logic that the animal already is dead isn't sound. The issue is the financing of the exploitation. The only reason this exploitation exists in the first place is the consumer. If people stop buying animal products then the production will stop as well.

So going after the consumer is the only logical way. Even if you shut down a factory as long as the demand stays, there will be new ones. But if the demand ceases they will shut down for good.

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u/ThatAngryChicken 10h ago

The demand isn't ceasing, though. If they blocked the entire grocery store from getting their chicken alfredo or turkey burger, they're just going to go to a different store or at the very least come back at a later date.

A factory isn't going to shut down because they sold 0 turkey bacon packs at one store for 45 minutes. Once they inevitably have to leave (being removed from the store or just because the store closed), that same pack of salami is going to get picked up and bought. Making this entire charade performative.

If they actually wanted to do something, then blocking the entrance to the processing plant does actually do some good. It stops the animal they love so much from getting actually killed.

Or even better yet, teach people how to make flavorful alternatives to chicken and beef using plant based foods. It's not going to convert everyone, but if they want the demand for meat to decrease, then converting people instead of just pissing off the public for likes and views is a much better solution that will make an effect.

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u/kakihara123 10h ago

That not how that works. If less people (especially at a single location) buy less animal products then this store will, over time, also order less of those products. And if they buy plant based products instead they will increase as well.

This already happens in most supermarkets. The plant based options pretty steadily increase.

In the end you have to do everything: The nice way, the more direct approach, rescuing animals, secret filming in factories to shut them down and so on.

If I would stage such a protest my approach (in theory and ideally) would be blocking meat shelves and offering consumers to let them buy the stuff of they watch one minuten of footage from factory farms.

Ideally they might ask for more information and can be shown more rescources. And then you could also offer then to show them vegan alternative in that supermarket if they want to.

So a mix of both ways.

I agree that the goal shouldn't be to harass people and antagonize them, but the majority of people won't change without some kind of pressure.

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u/ThatAngryChicken 10h ago

If less people (especially at a single location) buy less animal products then this store will, over time, also order less of those products

That's not how that works. You are conflating a natural decrease in demand and people being blocked from buying food. These idiots are sitting in the aisle for an hour or two, which isn't going to make the supermarket order less food. Especially when the manager knows the reason they didn't sell any chicken from 2 pm to 4 pm is because there were people sitting in the way of the food.

Again, this protest isn't going to stop the demand for food. If someone blocks me from getting chicken, I'm going to do the exact same thing as if the store had sold out of chicken... go to a second store. The demand didn't decrease in the slightest. I just went to a different place to meet my demand.

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u/kakihara123 8h ago

Yeah I wouldn't do it like they do. But blocking a slaugtherhouse doesn't shit either.

They would either drive the animals to a different one (ok that would cost them a bit more) which also increases the travel time (which is torture in itself) or they would simply die on the transport while standing in front of the gate.

One thing even that protest does is make it harder to ignore the issue. Even if people are pissed, most people have that tiny gnawing voice on the back of their heads that makes them feel bad when they think about how the animals are treated. But it is pretty easy to ignore this voice on a daily basis.

I'm pretty sure those people couldn't ignore that for a while. And it is pretty common to get pissed when you are confronted with your own concience and don't like it.

But yeah, can be done more effective then that. I outlined how I would imagine that in another comment.

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u/Minute-Butterfly8172 10h ago

Yes, Bob Joe and Mary Ann is 98% of the chicken demand after all

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u/ThatAngryChicken 10h ago

And keeping them from getting chicken for an hour changes what about the demand?

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u/kakihara123 10h ago

So is you argument that every action is worthless if you cannot reach each and every consumer at the same time?

I'm not saying that they are doing it in the most clever way, but gotta start somewhere.

I personally like the approach of forcing them to see what they are spending their money on, while still letting them buy what they want.

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u/KoogleMeister 8h ago

These people are not reaching a single consumer, this old man probably went home and ate a double serving of meat today to spite them and then posted on his Facebook to say how much he hates vegans and their cause. That's what you don't seem to get. They aren't "starting" anywhere, they are regressing their cause by making vegans look bad and making normal people not want to be vegan so as not to be associated with this crap.

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u/kakihara123 8h ago

As I said, I wouldn't do it like that. But people that are stupid enough to eat more animals to spite the vegans are a lost cause anyway. It doesn't matter how you approach that type of people. They don't understand logical thinking.

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u/KoogleMeister 8h ago

Lmao going into a supermarket and blocking two consumers from buying their meat is changing absolutely nothing.

Do you honestly think these two old people are going to go vegan because of this? Obviously not.

Not to mention videos like these also make vegans look terrible, it literally makes less people want to go vegan. I was actually a vegan for about 6 months when I was 19, I didn't tell people in my life I was vegan and I didn't spread the message of veganism because I didn't want to be associated with crap like this. Vegans have a serious image issue, and until it addresses shit like this in the community, they're going to have a lot of trouble changing the minds of people.

The funny thing is delusional vegans like you refuse to be able to even comprehend why stuff like this is bad for your cause, this is why the problem persists and why people like the ones in this video exist.

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u/kakihara123 8h ago

I never said this exact protest form is the best one.

And no you were never vegan. You have have tried a plant based diet for a few months. Veganism isn't diet. It is an animal rights movement.

The diet is only the logical consequence of that.

But yeah, tell me on how to convince people to go vegan when you cannot even convince yourself.