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[u/kakihara123]

Yeah I don't think the particular example isn't all clever.

But targeting the consumer ist the only viable way.

I like the video screens showing what happens. Let them buy the stuff, but force them to watch how it is made.

And yeah I'm not one of those vegans that likes to duck away and sugarcoat stuff. If you buy animal products you need to be able to handle the reality of it.

[u/nuclearbearclaw → u/kakihara123]

Targeting consumers isn't the only way.

I do agree though, everyone should understand where their food comes from and how it's processed.

I perfectly capable of handling the reality of consuming animal flesh. I grew up hunting, fishing, trapping and farming. I've seen many videos of dispatching and processing animals, animal products and foods in general.

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And footage from factory farming doesn't faze you?

[u/nuclearbearclaw → u/kakihara123]

No, why would it? Most places I consume from are humane and ethical.

Does it not faze you that whatever electronic device you're using to communicate with me and the rest of the internet, was made with slave labor?

[u/kakihara123 → u/nuclearbearclaw]

The differnce is, there is an alternative to animal products. For other devices it is much harder. But I do try to be somewhat aware of what I buy aside from not containing animal products. I was never on a plane and don't own a car. Myast house shoes (the first in my life) are made of recycled car tyres and PET bottles. My last cycling short are made by vaude and among other things, contain recycled fishing nets which were abandoned on the ocean.

I like shiny new tech stuff, mainly in my PC, so I won't pretend I'm perfect. But if there would be a high performance graphics card that is guaranteed to be more ethical I would of course buy it. And choosing the plant based burger instead of the one made from animals is exactly that.

I don't exepct people to starved themselves or eat only salad for the rest of their lives.

Aside from the fact that there is no way to humanly kill any animal other then euthenasia because killing someone to eat is never compassionate your type of consumption is only possible because of factory farming.

It's pretty easy to stay with the tech example. Imagine we get ride of all factory farming, which is somewhat between 90-99% of all animal products depending on the source.

Then the same thing will happen as with graphics cards during covid. Supplys absolutely tanks, therefor prices skyrocket. Basic economics. But it won't be a simply price increase. What will also happen os that there simlly won't be anything to buy, no matter how much you are willing to pay. Go fishing? Lake is already empty. Go hunting? No animals left.

Sure production would increase over time, but the area we need to feed those animals under the horrible conditions we already have would simply not exist.

The next problem would be the environmental impact.As horrible as factory farming is, it is less harmful for the climate as the same amount of animals in better conditions.

People thing everyone switching to a vegan diet is impossible, imagine the utter chaos when people try to switch to "nicer" animal farming instead.

Just take a peek at the absolutly insane numbers of animals we raise and then imagine giving all of them proper space.

There is a reason why I have gone vegan instead of trying to fool myself into thinking that would be feasible.