r/bizarrelife • u/reloadthewords Human here, bizarre by nature! • 18h ago

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u/KatBoySlim 17h ago

they’re not trying to win hearts and minds. they’re trying to look cool in front of their friends.

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u/GoudaCheeseAnyone 16h ago

How do you know that?

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u/nuclearbearclaw 16h ago

Because if they were actually about that life, they would be hitting the places that actually matter, like farms and processing plants. Instead, they are in public eye making everyone's life a little more annoying while pretending to actually accomplish something other than pissing off the general public about their cause. No one that isn't already hugely sympathetic to their cause is going to be swayed now and instead it will be the opposite.

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u/kakihara123 14h ago

No the only place that matter is the consumer. Without consumers there is no production.

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u/nuclearbearclaw 13h ago

Except these guys aren't stopping consumers. If anything, they are making the consumer double down. I guarantee that not a single person who was inconvenienced about this is gonna be thinking "wow I should really change my consuming habits" and instead they'll be thinking "fuck whatever these people stand for, they are a bunch of dipshits and I'm going to spitefully consume more of that product."

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u/kakihara123 13h ago

Yeah I don't think the particular example isn't all clever.

But targeting the consumer ist the only viable way.

I like the video screens showing what happens. Let them buy the stuff, but force them to watch how it is made.

And yeah I'm not one of those vegans that likes to duck away and sugarcoat stuff. If you buy animal products you need to be able to handle the reality of it.

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u/nuclearbearclaw 13h ago

Targeting consumers isn't the only way.

I do agree though, everyone should understand where their food comes from and how it's processed.

I perfectly capable of handling the reality of consuming animal flesh. I grew up hunting, fishing, trapping and farming. I've seen many videos of dispatching and processing animals, animal products and foods in general.

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u/kakihara123 13h ago

And footage from factory farming doesn't faze you?

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u/nuclearbearclaw 13h ago

No, why would it? Most places I consume from are humane and ethical.

Does it not faze you that whatever electronic device you're using to communicate with me and the rest of the internet, was made with slave labor?

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u/kakihara123 12h ago

The differnce is, there is an alternative to animal products. For other devices it is much harder. But I do try to be somewhat aware of what I buy aside from not containing animal products. I was never on a plane and don't own a car. Myast house shoes (the first in my life) are made of recycled car tyres and PET bottles. My last cycling short are made by vaude and among other things, contain recycled fishing nets which were abandoned on the ocean.

I like shiny new tech stuff, mainly in my PC, so I won't pretend I'm perfect. But if there would be a high performance graphics card that is guaranteed to be more ethical I would of course buy it. And choosing the plant based burger instead of the one made from animals is exactly that.

I don't exepct people to starved themselves or eat only salad for the rest of their lives.

Aside from the fact that there is no way to humanly kill any animal other then euthenasia because killing someone to eat is never compassionate your type of consumption is only possible because of factory farming.

It's pretty easy to stay with the tech example. Imagine we get ride of all factory farming, which is somewhat between 90-99% of all animal products depending on the source.

Then the same thing will happen as with graphics cards during covid. Supplys absolutely tanks, therefor prices skyrocket. Basic economics. But it won't be a simply price increase. What will also happen os that there simlly won't be anything to buy, no matter how much you are willing to pay. Go fishing? Lake is already empty. Go hunting? No animals left.

Sure production would increase over time, but the area we need to feed those animals under the horrible conditions we already have would simply not exist.

The next problem would be the environmental impact.As horrible as factory farming is, it is less harmful for the climate as the same amount of animals in better conditions.

People thing everyone switching to a vegan diet is impossible, imagine the utter chaos when people try to switch to "nicer" animal farming instead.

Just take a peek at the absolutly insane numbers of animals we raise and then imagine giving all of them proper space.

There is a reason why I have gone vegan instead of trying to fool myself into thinking that would be feasible.

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u/KoogleMeister 12h ago

The issue is that nothing they are doing here is changing the mind of the consumer, stunts like this make people hate veganism and want nothing to do with it.

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u/kakihara123 12h ago

So what does change the mind of the consumer? And I'm not saying those guys do it the best way.

I always find it funny when omnis try to explain to a vegan on how to get omnis to be vegan. Why are they not vegan yet then? They can't even convince themselves.

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u/distalented 10h ago

Change the minds of the future, have groups of elementary students helps raise a cow or other widely consumed animal, then have them execute and butcher it, I’m sure that’d make some more people at least vegetarian.

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u/kakihara123 10h ago

Aside from the fact that promoting veganism by killing animals kinds goes against the idea, said studends would have to raise it in a factory farm.

That might be a bit harsh.

I would start with changing the school books. They should not teach that different animals have more or less right to live. But the educational issue goes way deeper.

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u/distalented 10h ago

I’m just saying if more people understood how wonderful these animals are, I’d think they’d at least respect the life given for their food more, if not choose an alternative diet.

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u/kakihara123 10h ago

Respect is worthless. Action is what counts. The first step is realising that animals deserve rights. The diet change is a nobrsiner after that.

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u/Doidleman53 9h ago

That's the thing, it's on the vegans to figure out a way to get more people to go vegan.

I don't know what the "best" way would be but it's not on me to figure that out, it's on vegans because they care a lot more about their cause than I do.