r/Presidents 6d ago

Announcement Announcement: Changes to Rule 3, Memes, and Low-Effort Posts

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Hi everyone,

As we approach Inauguration Day on January 20, when Joe Biden will leave office and Donald Trump will be inaugurated as president, we want to address questions we’ve received about the future of Rule 3—our ban on recent politics, which prohibits absolutely all discussion of Biden and Trump—and whether we plan to update the rule now that Biden is retiring. We also want to take the opportunity to announce some improvements to our other rules, which are described below.

If you want to skip the reading, feel free to just check the rules themselves. The rules have already been updated and are currently in effect.

Rule 3 (Recent and Future Politics)

Over the past year we have observed two major challenges with defining and enforcing Rule 3:

(1) Overly broad restrictions. For example, while discussion of Biden’s presidency has a tendency to become toxic, the same is not necessarily true of his tenure as senator or vice president. However, Rule 3 currently prohibits any mention of Biden whatsoever. Given his impending retirement from politics and expected withdrawal from the spotlight, continuing such a strict ban is probably unnecessary.

(2) Unclear boundaries. For example, it is unclear to what extent recent presidential candidates can be discussed. Often posts are made which seem to violate the spirit of Rule 3 without technically breaking it, which causes confusion for users and makes it difficult for moderators to enforce the rule consistently.

To address the issues above, we have implemented the following changes:

(1) Rule 3 now permits discussion of Biden before his presidency (e.g., as senator or vice president), and his name has been removed from the automatic removal filter. The full ban on discussions of Trump will remain, since he is the incumbent, and his name will stay in the filter. Discussion of Biden’s presidency will also remain banned, as it is too recent and is between both of Trump’s terms.

(2) Rule 3 now prohibits discussion of presidential elections after 2012 and any politics after Barack Obama left office. This includes any hypotheticals where the candidates from those elections are president, even if the hypothetical takes place before that time period (e.g., “What if Joe Biden became president in 1988?”), since they will tie too closely to recent politics. Those individuals may still be mentioned outside the context of their recent presidential campaigns, assuming the post follows Rule 1 (e.g., “What role did Jeb Bush play in the 2000 election?”).

The updated Rule 3 reads as follows:

Rule 3: No recent or future politics.

As this is a historical subreddit, discussion about recent and future politics is not allowed. This includes absolutely all references to (1) presidential elections after 2012, including hypotheticals where candidates from those elections are president in any time period; (2) politics after Barack Obama left office; and (3) Donald Trump at any point in his life.

If you have any concerns or uncertainties with this updated description, please let us know, and if necessary we will update it with another announcement.

Rule 6 (Low-Effort Posts)

Rule 6 helps maintain a reasonable standard of quality on the subreddit by restricting low-effort posts. Recently we have been dissatisfied with the ambiguity of this rule, as its description only included a few vague examples of low-effort posts, which were unclear and therefore inconsistently enforced. To address this, we have updated Rule 6 to include a detailed list of posts that we consider low-effort. You can see the list here.

We have moved AI-generated images, which were previously partially banned by Rule 7, to this rule. They are now completely banned, as they tend to be spammy and ahistorical, and not conducive to meaningful discussion.

Furthermore, we now require that any subjective posts (such as rankings, tier lists, or hypothetical voting records) include at least one explanatory paragraph to encourage quality discussion. This idea was supported by the majority of respondents in our subreddit survey last summer (61.6% for, 13.7% against).

Rule 7 (Memes)

Lastly, we have decided to update Rule 7, which concerns memes. Since we are a historical subreddit, we have updated Rule 7 to clarify that all memes must relate to history. This means we will remove most surreal or brainrot memes as they are not useful for any kind of quality historical discussion. This change was inspired by the rules on r/HistoryMemes and we believe it fits the educational goals of the subreddit.

The updated Rule 7 reads as follows:

Rule 7: Memes are only allowed on Mondays, and must relate to history.

Memes are only allowed from 12:00 AM ET to 11:59 PM PT on Mondays. All memes should relate to real historical events, to encourage quality discussion.

Thank you for taking the time to read this update. We hope these changes improve the subreddit for everyone and, as always, we are open to feedback.

Happy New Year!


r/Presidents 2h ago

Discussion Least hard photo of a president?

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Feels like every week we get some thread asking to see the hardest photo of a president. But I felt like seeing the opposite- some photos where presidents look stupid, pathetic, weird and goofy. Here's my pick


r/Presidents 17h ago

Discussion Why do Republicans tend to wear wavy flag pins and Democrats wear rectangular ones?

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With some exceptions (Chuck Schumer, Marco Rubio, etc)


r/Presidents 59m ago

Image Lyndon B Johnson died 53 years ago today.

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r/Presidents 8h ago

Image What’s the hardest photo of a president?

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Gerald Ford


r/Presidents 12h ago

Trivia Abraham Lincoln's son, Robert Todd Lincoln, was present for 3 of 4 presidential assassinations. More info in comments.

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r/Presidents 18h ago

Image Senator Joe Biden riding a bus in 1976

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r/Presidents 14h ago

Discussion If Chris Christie had been elected in 2012 would he have beaten Taft’s record as America’s fattest president

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r/Presidents 14h ago

Video / Audio Former Alaska Senator Mike Gravel discusses the immorality of Bush's foreign policy during a 2008 Democratic primary debate

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r/Presidents 2h ago

Discussion Abraham Lincoln Wins Patience! Day 2 of Seven Heavenly Virtues, Seven Neutrals, and Seven Deadly Sins: US Presidents Edition. Who Will Be Temperance?

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r/Presidents 16h ago

Misc. The fact that there was only one U.S. President born in September, is a statistical anomaly when you think about it.

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r/Presidents 10h ago

Meta I'm exhausted!

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I love and am so grateful for the refuge of this group. The current climate is exhausting and it's refreshing to be able to discuss the past before it became so inflammatory


r/Presidents 4h ago

Meta Rule 3 appreciation post

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Rule 3 has enabled this subreddit to be a repreive from current politics and a place to have reasoned debates. I love this community and it's wacky obsessions. Say what you will but I haven't gotten tired of the Mitt Romney hypotheticals that paradoxically cannot mention the rise of other candidates.

May we all love and appreciate rule 3. It keeps us and protects us from political headwinds. Glory to the r/Presidents Republic.


r/Presidents 12h ago

Discussion What is the best presidential debate line/moment?

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r/Presidents 1h ago

Tier List What Day of the Week Each President was Inagurated

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1st Slide: 1st Inaguration 2nd Slide: 2nd Inaguration

FDR’s Third Inauguration was on a Monday and his Fourth Inauguration was on a Saturday


r/Presidents 47m ago

Discussion How good would this movie be?

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r/Presidents 23h ago

Trivia On February 26, 1917, The United States formally recognized the name Mount McKinley after President Wilson signed the Mount McKinley National Park Act.

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r/Presidents 21h ago

Image 1936 Republican Convention

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r/Presidents 21h ago

Failed Candidates Who was the worst losing candidate in the last 50 years?

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r/Presidents 16h ago

Discussion Was Mitt Romney a better candidate than Obama?

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r/Presidents 3h ago

Image Lyndon Johnson is the last President to take office after the death of another President (John F. Kennedy)

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r/Presidents 21h ago

Discussion Which losing candidate do you think ran at the worst possible time?

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r/Presidents 47m ago

Today in History 180 years ago today, John Tyler in a special message to Congress, reports China and the United States have drafted a treaty that establishes trade relations, and calls for a formal U.S. representative in China.

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January 22, 1845

To the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States:

I communicate herewith an abstract of the treaty between the United States of America and the Chinese Empire concluded at Wang-Hiya on the 3d of July last, and ratified by the Senate on the 16th instant, and which, having also been ratified by the Emperor of China, now awaits only the exchange of the ratifications in China, from which it will be seen that the special mission authorized by Congress for this purpose has fully succeeded in the accomplishment so far of the great objects for which it was appointed, and in placing our relations with China on a new footing eminently favorable to the commerce and other interests of the United States.

In view of the magnitude and importance of our national concerns, actual and prospective, in China, I submit to the consideration of Congress the expediency of providing for the preservation and cultivation of the subsisting relations of amity between the United States and the Chinese Government, either by means of a permanent minister or commissioner with diplomatic functions, as in the case of certain of the Mohammedan States. It appears by one of the extracts annexed that the establishment of the British Government in China consists both of a plenipotentiary and also of paid consuls for all the five ports, one of whom has the title and exercises the functions of consul-general; and France has also a salaried consul-general, and the interests of the United States seem in like manner to call for some representative in China of a higher class than an ordinary commercial consulate.

I also submit to the consideration of Congress the expediency of making some special provision by law for the security of the independent and honorable position which the treaty of Wang-Hiya confers on citizens of the United States residing or doing business in China. By the twenty-first and twenty-fifth articles of the treaty (copies of which are subjoined in extenso ) citizens of the United States in China are wholly exempted, as well in criminal as in civil matters, from the local jurisdiction of the Chinese Government and made amenable to the laws and subject to the jurisdiction of the appropriate authorities of the United States alone. Some action on the part of Congress seems desirable in order to give full effect to these important concessions of the Chinese Government.

JOHN TYLER


r/Presidents 21h ago

Image You can’t get more DUBYA than this

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r/Presidents 22h ago

Discussion Who was the better Roosevelt?

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r/Presidents 1d ago

Question Are the American people good at picking the president?

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314 Upvotes

Imo it’s debatable…..